This primary election is over. Do you really think the Democratic Party is going to select the candidate in 2nd place for delegates, states, and popular vote (in the actually contested races)? Over the first African-American candidate with a real shot at the Presidency, who happens to be leading in all those categories? If so, you really don't understand Democratic Party politics as well as I thought you did.  There is no more loyal, crucial part of the Democratic Party base than African-American voters.  If you believe that a sizeable chunk, enough to cause us a 40 state defeat, won't sit on their hands during this election if the aforementioned happens, then you're smoking something that isn't quite legal. Particularly if Hillary is chosen for the latest metric in her campaign of unending goal post shifts, her better ability to reach white working class voters, the voters that alot of blacks think prefer Hillary, deep down, because she's white.

This is why there is no way in hell the superdelegates are just gonna throw the nomination to her and why they continue to move to Obama.  Choosing Hillary, in these circumstances, would be the Party commiting Hari Kiri on itself.  

According to grief management theory then they haven't actually suffered a major loss.

Just to stress my point on this particular false dawn

Jerome, what do you think of Dean's comments this morning? Will we know in early June?

I think it's a done deal and they (the Super D's) will give it to Obama. I also think we're in for a loss in Nov.

If I were Obama, I would repudiate Wright's comments and continue going to the same church. I tell you this: if he divorces himself entirely from that church, there will be a tremendous loss of support in the African American community in North Carolina. It's already starting:

http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/

I wonder how Bill Clinton feels about this attack by the 'right' against the black church.

Jerome, Can you stop trying to create division? First the "More Perfect Union" speech was a new low for Obama, and now this?

Thank you, Karl!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGbI8pzv qk

Terry McAuliffe: "Let me say, Congratulations, fox news... Fair and balanced Fox!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFEgd2gMe rA

Brit Hume: "It sure is nice to hear Terry McAuliffe say, as other Clinton operatives have, that Fox is fair and balanced... we'll take that and be proud of it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ2nVor0b SI

Who, exactly, is embracing Fox?

I'll say this for Kos, he's willing to criticize his own candidate.

Don't see that every where in the 'sphere....

and mentioned that Wright is no longer his Pastor.

Of course Obama has it sewn up; have you just not been paying attention, Jerome?

Clinton is mathematically unable to overcome his deficit, and the SD's sure as hell aren't going to overturn the pledged delegate winner.  You're living in a fantasy world if you think any differently.

The great Jerome is not only a pundit but now he reads minds, I bow to his greatness.

I just posted this in the Polls for it All thread, but since that's scrolling down I'll re-post it here to see what you have to say about it:

Right now Obama is +135 per RCP.  Let's say that doesn't change with the remaining primaries (a decision that should help Clinton because of NC).

Politico says there are 240 remaining uncommitted supers.

Now...this is that crazy "math" part.  In order for Clinton to come even to Obama, she needs a +135 net from the remaining supers.  So she would need...wait for it...to go 187-53 with the supers (giving Clinton the rounding error).

187-53 among remaining supers.  Is that going to happen?

Of course, adding MI or FL into the mix makes this slightly more complicated.  But the chance that supers actually hold off until the convention, which is the only scenario in which MI and FL are relevant, I think is next to nothing.

...so what's your end-game, Jerome?  Do you think supers are going to hold out until the convention, and a FL/MI/superdel bomb will give it to Clinton?

Do you think that's reasonable given the expressed sentiments of Pelosi, Reid, and Dean?

   many of us who support Obama are not unable to criticize him when he screws up.

  As opposed to many Clinton supporters on this site, who flatly deny that Hillary has said or done anything even remotely unfair to Obama.

  Several of us are pissed that Obama caved. That shows us to be objective.

   As opposed to Clinton supporters who thought what Ferraro and Johnson said was perfectly ok, who thought that Hillary being the first Dem to use 9/11 as a scare tactic was just fine.

  Several Clinton supporters can't criticize her, while we can criticize him. it's the differece b/w supporter and Hero-Worship.

I've read all kinds of stuff like that about Churchill wanting to get the US into the war, or about ignoring the aerial photos about Auschwitz... scratch anybody and they have some weird conspiracy theory.

When did you start being interested in the Rev Wright. Nothing to do with these primaries I assume

Jerome how do you see this ending, and ending well for Sen. Clinton?  Legit question.

Obama is going to play it safe,

I bet Axelrod has it all worked out: No debates, very small town hall meeting, strip search for cameras etc... just kidding...

But seriously, it is risky because he is not that far ahead. Sure the math are with him, but there are limits to this advantage, especially if he loose too many of the last remaining states.

You know, the more loudly and forcefully you try to tell the other half of your party: "this is already over", the more tinny it sounds to us.  It's quite clear to most rational folk that the process continues and has not ended.  And when we watch you repeating this again and again like some sort of bizarre mantra, all we hear is: "i'm really nervous about my candidate right now."

If you think about how much pressure Hillary and her supporters have endured already - being told that every state is "do-or-die", watching an opponent's campaign and media parrots devoted to 24/7 character destruction, and even a 10-day campaign to try to force us to quit based on this "inevitability" argument - most of us are actually very calm about our odds.

Jerome, your posts are really starting to become funny.  

Hillary's people are featured in Fox promos because they've been so supportive of Fox.  Obama goes on and does an interview and you write a post about it.

Hillary's people say Michigan and Florida will not count, and yet when Hillary claims to hold a popular vote lead and counts those votes, you write a post about it.

Face it, you're reallllllly reaching for some way, some how, that Hillary can win in 2012 against McCain.  Because you know she is not going to win 2008. So does she.

People are really warped. If you are so dug in for your candidate that you are willing to nominate someone that can't win the General Election, what are you involved for? Just to be able to type alot?

LOL. He really does, though. He is going to be the next president.

Jerome if you happen to pop over to the great orange satan's home you will see he is not shy at criticizing Obama. I think you should try some of the same. If you step outside of you rabid advocate suite for just a few dozen diarys you know in your heart you would have plenty to critic in your "Pure as driven snow Saint Hillary". I patiently await you first reality based dairys.

Its over for Obama.

Anyone who says differently isn't facing the facts.

Obama is unelectable, and Democrats can't afford to lose the race for the Whitehouse yet again.

At this point, he's so radioactive that even choosing him for VP would be extremely dangerous.

I am dissapointed in Obama going to the propogandist channel.

Obviously Hillary broke that long ago.

Let's not forget who Fox is.

And don't think that Billo doesn't include every member of this site too

Milbank:

For Obama, the Voice of Doom?

Should it become necessary in the months from now to identify the moment that doomed Obama's presidential aspirations, attention is likely to focus on the hour between nine and ten this morning at the National Press Club. It was then that Wright, Obama's longtime pastor, reignited a controversy about race from which Obama had only recently recovered - and added lighter fuel.

His grandmother isn't the only one Obama will be willing to throw under the bus. I think the hard left  wing of tghe dem party is in for a rude awakening.

Where's the post analyzing how Clinton can win in the GE if she walks into Denver with less pledged delegates and walks out the nominee because of a black preacher who, though he said some crazy shit, also said some shit that many Americans - not just African-Americans - agree with?

Some analysis would be appreciated.

Well, try and steal it from him and we will see if Hillary will win in Nov without 90% of the African American vote.  That's what it will come down to.

Is there a means by which to prevent, or track, users editing in comments to the ad tags section?

What a train wreck for Obama.

Welcome to the Hillary Clinton campaign ya'll.

She wins the general easily if we unite like the gop.

Lets win this time.

You people are forgetting Puerto Rico which has over 60 delegates and it's WINNER TAKE ALL.  Hillary is currently ahead there and that could close the pledged delegate count by half by the time June comes around.

Gone.  Seems my rating ability has been removed because I zero rated the three noxious comments by Judge Holden.  Just a warning for anyone else that zero rated them, and I see that a couple have, they might want to remove the rating as the user seems to have favored status.

I made a mistake.  Puerto Rico isn't a Winner Take All primary.  I had heard this from Michael Barone and David Brooks, but it was an incorrect statement.

Obama is hype balloon with a bunch of giant holes in it. The press and the Obama-nuts keep trying to pump in hot air but there are so many holes that he keeps deflating no matter how hard they try.

The good news is that its much better for him to lose now than in November.

He's got so much bad history in Chicago and so little to recommend him that he wouldn't have stood a chance.

Its over for Obama.

It couldn't happenn to a more deserving guy.

I think this is hilarious -the outrage by move-on and kos I mean. Obama has been telling you from the beginning he is a centrist (read triangulator). He wants to bring the parties together. He wants to work with republicans and incorporate their ideas. He thinks the democrats are equally responsible for the deadlock in Washington. If you believe that fine. Obama is your man. But everything I have ever read on Kos or Move-on says that they believe exactly the opposite. In fact they think democrats have compromised with republicans too much already (which is what I believe and why I do not support Obama). Why progressives think Obama is their man when he has been saying this all along I cannot fathom.

Has his image finally been tarnished or can the Obama-ites manage to spin this as Hillary's fault once again. Stay tuned.

Obama is doing this because he knows this is NOT sewn up. He's going on Fox and (possibly) distancing himself further from Wright because the next two primaries are NC and Indiana. It's a series of moves toward the people he needs for the next primaries. You're just trying -- for whatever reason -- to shoehorn the recent events into some "Obama thinks he's inevitable" narrative, but anyone can see they don't fit. It's clear that he's worried about certain demographics in the primaries and is trying to play to them because he knows it could be a barrier to his nomination.

Hillary has already virtually destroyed her delectability with her Wright response.

What's not smart about baiting her into doing herself more damage?

I don't approve of Obama's going on Fox.  But then, I'm not going to rationalize this as "reaching across the aisle" like some were with the Clinton's endorsement by Scaife (which spawned a rec'd diary, if memory serves).  The mindset of a lot of people here seems to be that the enemy of our enemy (i.e., Republicans with respect to Obama) is our friend, so seeing a diary slamming him for this very maneuvering is both surprising and hypocritical.  At least it blows the "Obama supporters are mindless cultists" meme out of the water.  Let us say that that particular description seems...misplaced.

North Carolina Governor endorses Hillary Clinton.

She wins the general easily if we unite like the gop.

Lets win this time.

Watching the press conference/questions from the National Press Corp. with Rev. Wright.

I can say, without any doubt, Rev. Wright has cost Obama the presidency:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/w right.npc/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

That kind of talk really bothers some whites because it's the words of a "challenger", not a "bargainer".  Please read Shelby Steele's take on Obama and his compromising with whites to win.  Rev. Wright is not a bargainer.  He wants to put whites in their place and show them their "flaws".

The reaction of the audience is also telling.  Trust me, this will NOT play well to the liberal media and bloggers are going to be able to spin to white acceptance.  

Obama is done.

Smug Obama true believers who think this race is over are deluding themselves. Hillary is ahead in the popular vote, is closing the pledged delegate gap, and has won the most important states with the most electoral votes. Super delegates were put in place 28 years ago to redress the imbalance created by allowing proportional delegates in the primaries.

Facts to consider:

1. There is no such thing as a pledged delegate since all delegates are free to choose the best candidate.

2. Super delegates are free to choose the best candidate for the general election irrespective of who is ahead in pledged delegates.

3. Obama is damaged goods and Republicans in two states are already running TV ads against Democrats who support Obama who will be poison down-ticket.

4. We've seen a definite demographic trend that indicates Obama has no chance whatever to win in November.

5. There's no way delegates are going to commit political suicide by handing the nomination over to a sure loser who not only will lose the election but who would also cause other Democrats to lose their local elections.

If Hillary is the nominee, she will beat John McCain and her long coattails will help many other Dems get elected to Congress and other offices.

If Obama gets extremists of all polarities angry, maybe he really is genuine? He is sincere enough to tell it like it is and not cater to the extreme right or left.

Reminds me of the Rudyard Kipling poem, "IF":

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!

--Rudyard Kipling

The wheels are off the Obama campaign. Say hello to  "The Comeback Rev!"

Oh and thanks for the "You'll be a Man, my son!" poem. Veeeeeeeery touching. Is there one for girls?

LOL some people are in for a big surprise on Denver. The Clintons will win, bank it

And that you can go out and spend. Which makes diaries like this bitter little screed hard to understand.

it's 95% sewn up.

Wright's Farakhan comments blew me away.  are we supposed to pretend that after 20 years of sitting in that church, Obama had no clue about the jew hating?  because that's what Wright preached today at the press club.  Zionism is not racism!

my impressions from cable news first spin cycle are much more negative than i expected .. forseen by most commentators as fatal for BHO's chances, particularly in the GE, if not strongly corrected

frankly, i'm surprised by this and even more disappointed .. earlier today i was waxing optimistic having seen all the Wright interviews and speeches over the past few days .. now, i'm even more unsure .. this is all looking and feeling too familiar

politically, i'm still pretty much as uncertain as when i voted for HRC in the Texas primary and caucased for BHO that evening - that's still about the same way i feel .. i'd be satisfied with either over JMc .. but that's another story

regardless, this Wright issue spinning out of control also validates the tired old political campaign maxim of avoiding, at all cost, sublty and nuance because the vast majority of voters don't have time or interest in pondering beyond the transparent and traditional to make a decision

this was and remains GWB's singular diabolical brilliance .. he recognizes that, like cattle, many if not most voters follow herding instincts -voting as others like them vote and blindly following the leader of the herd

if these cable tv news programs influence the herd, sadly IMHO they do, the Wright story may have stronger legs than i expected and make things far more complicated for BHO

i guess this is all no surprise as naive optimism has been and continues to be a hallmark of mine .. how else could i have survived this long in GWB's Republican Texas? when the Rovian spin machine begins to kick in, if it hasn't already, i may need a strong drink or two

so it goes

"The thing is, Obama is doing this with the conclusion in mind that he's got it all sewn up. He doesn't."

Um, he does have the nomination wrapped up.  Just because the pro-Hillary MSM and pro-Hillary MyDD says it's not over doesn't make it so.  He has won in pledged delegates and the superdelegates will not overturn the will of the voters unless they want to lose the election.

Period.

Having said that, all the voting should go on, but once June 3rd ends, this campaign ends with Obama as OUR nominee.

It's hard to overstate how depressing it has been watching the reemergence today of Rev. Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club.

It has been depressing to see the Obama campaign go through more "Wrightgate" in the wake of "Bittergate", and the loss of Pennsylvania. Obviously, this is the last thing in the world they needed.

It has been enraging to watch the news media obsess so deeply over the words of a man who is not even running for office, and then associate those words and positions with Sen. Obama--a man who has never uttered publicly any of those words or ideas, nor taken publicly any of those positions. It has been even more infuriating to hear a blowhard like Chris Matthews ask aloud "why won't the reverend just go away", then devote the entire hour of Hardball to picking over his every word. This, naturally, has been the reflex position of the entire political elite the last 24 hours.

It must be downright surreal for the Obama campaign to watch someone utterly out of their control pop off to the news media whatever he feels like saying, whenever he gets the urge, and then have the same media gallop over to Barack and demand an explanation.

More than anything, though, to have watched Barack Obama go to great pains several weeks ago to defend the character of the man he once called pastor, only to have Jeremiah Wright stab him in the back today with the following comments, was the most galling moment of all.

When Wright was asked today about his original remark that 9/11 was "America's chickens coming home to roost", rather than offer the sound foreign policy theory of blowback to explain, he used the Bible: "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you. Those are biblical principles, not Jeremiah Wright bombastic divisive principles."

On his feelings toward Farrakhan: "He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century; that's what I think about him. I said, as I said on Bill Moyers, when Louis Farrakhan speaks it's like E.F. Hutton speaks."

Not to stop there, he dragged all African-Americans down that road with him. "All black America listens." Really? So now Jeremiah Wright speaks for all black America?

On his theory that the U.S. Government gave AIDS to black people: "Have you read Horowitz's book "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola"? Whoever wrote that question, have you read "Medical Apartheid"? You've read it?" No, we haven't.

On the sincerity of Barack Obama's disowning of Wright's controversial remarks: "He didn't distance himself. He had to distance himself, because he's a politician..."

On his personal loyalty to Barack Obama: "If you get elected, November the 5th I'm coming after you, because you'll be representing a government whose policies grind under people."

I don't agree with the Washington Post's Dana Milbank, or the National Review, that this event may have doomed Obama's candidacy. I do believe, however, that it may have doomed his chances to win the Indiana primary--one that until today was essentially a dead heat. It also threatens to seriously tighten his popular vote margin in North Carolina.

I confess I don't know exactly where I stand on the near-unanimous media opinion that Obama's only escape from the newest controversy is to completely disavow Wright, once and for all.

I think there is a good point to be made that Wright's narcissistic rant today was a public betrayal of Obama, thereby providing a fair pretext for a disavowal. I believe there is an even stronger argument that since Wright has insinuated Obama is faking his distance from the controversial statements, this requires the senator to directly refute Wright, publicly and immediately. Obama certainly can't have anyone close to him--especially his former pastor--continue to give interviews telling everyone not to really believe Obama means what he says.

On the other hand, I get pretty nauseous when the media starts dictating to public figures whom they are and aren't allowed to associate with. Let's call it what it is: blackmail. The MSM is saying to Obama, "you can make this easier on yourself if you play by our rules, and cut Wright loose. Otherwise, we will hound you day in and day out with this until you drop out of the race." Not included in the threat is the obvious fact, of course, that nothing Obama says or does will ever shut the media up about Rev. Wright anyway. So, what's the point?

Also, wouldn't it look deeply political for Obama to kick Wright to the curb at the very moment the minister is causing him the most damage? And didn't Obama himself say "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother"? You can just see the tabloid headline: "Obama Disses Wright; Granny Takes The Hint, Packs Her Bags".

I don't really know what Obama should do, though the thought of Barack having to cough up yet another mesmerizing "race" speech to get himself out of yet another jam certainly isn't appealing. I do however, have a question for Rev. Wright.

You're obviously an intelligent man, Reverend, who I surprisingly find a lot in common with ideologically, although I believe your leftist politics are of a more conspiratorial strain than my own. It is also obvious that you care passionately and profoundly about the African-American community you have dedicated your life to serving. With these two truths in mind, the obvious question surfaces:

Why are you knee-capping the first viable African-American presidential candidate in our nation's history?

Repeating your beliefs which are based on zero facts, just heightened emotional investment in a single candidate, that Obama is somehow done and over is amazing.  Each day its something else and each day its more desperate.

So people at Kos are pissed at Obama for going on Fox.  So what?  You think they are going to come over to Hillary instead?  Most of us dont really care about Fox and at some point they have to become relevant whether we like it or not.  And I agree with some here who says it shows quite a bit of difference where at least at Kos they are willing to acknowledge their candidate is not perfect, where here that is unthinkable.  And Obama supporters are cultists?

Lets look at what facts we know:

1) Obama basically leads in all metrics for securing the nomination,

2. Assuming the race plays out as expected, Obama will still lead in all metrcis for securing the nomination,
   
3. Obama has not cratered and is not cratering by any poll measurement out there,
   
4. Hillary is a strong candidate and has tremendous support in the party and in the electorate,
   
5. Hillary still has a technical shot at the nomination within the rules,
   
5. Outside of Obama cratering (which is of course possible), Hillary's chances for securing the nomination are slim at best.

I know you want to wish really, really, really hard on your bright lucky star that the SD's will overlook Obama's lead, factor in Florida and Michigan in the most disingenuous of ways to favor Hillary and overturn Obamas lead becasue you know your belief that Obama will lose in the GE is a fact, stomp your feet hold your breath fact!, not belief.  The problem is, no facts support such a claim.

The facts about both candidates:

1) They both are great.  I like the quote, for which I have misplaced the source, which basically said Obamas support is shallow yet very wide, whereas Clintons is more narrow but very deep.  I think that sums them up perfectly.

2. Yet, they both are weak.  Obamas 'newness' to the scene and apparent lack of dem bona fides seasoning worries me.  Hillary has extremely high negatives which will be hard to overcome.
   
3. They both have different GE strengths and weaknesses and both have different but viable paths to the nomination.
   
4. Both would defeat John McCain.  Handily.  Assuming a united party.

I will not state that the primary is over.  As long as Hillary has a technical shot at the nomination, it is what it is and it goes on.  But to not acknowledge the reality of where the race stands and at the same time the risks associated with letting it continue is just plain disingenuous.  

We need to honestly recognize that while Hillary has a chance, there is a greater chance of worse things happening to the dem party if this primary continues to the convention, which is the only place where Hillary can 'officially' topple Obama.  And like it or not, in the US, the loser will pay the ultimate price for any perceived devaluation of the party.  To the winner go the spoils and the loser the derision.  So beware of taking this to the covention as the losing candidate.  I mean no threat in this, I just mean to state the facts of the way competition plays out in the US.  The same facts will equally apply to Obama and his supporters if the inverse happens.

I believe, my beliefs now, that what is required for Hillary to secure the nomination means 1 of 2 things which will hurt the democratic party for years to come and keep America in a sad state for a long time.  They are:

1) One of the most promising intelligent and potential base building young democratic national candidates (building in places where it was never thought possible) will have to either a) self destruct completely or b) be pummelled into nothingness by a two pronged attack one being from a fellow dem supported by the heavies of the dem royalty.

2. So much time will continue to be invested in the primary campaigns that the factions we have created will continue to deepen further and the attacks will become more and more vitriolic that there will be less and less chance of real reconciliation within the party which will have two effects a) a tougher GE than need be and b) a loss in downticket races where serious gains were possible.
   
3. Whoever comes out will have too little time to mount a good national campaign (vet and select a VP - a borkered convention means no VP choice until after, raising money, advertising, setting up ground games, etc.)

I want Hillary to drop out solely because I believe the cost to the party of her staying in to the convention with such slim odds is seriously outwieghed by the risks of the ramifications to the party for letting it go to the convention.  

If this is allowed to go the convention, which seems to be the desire of Clinton supporters, can you imagine what June, July and August are going to be like?  With a gleeful media egging on both sides.  A convention fight may sound romantic to the die hard supporters, but outside of that small bubble it is a receipe for complete disaster.

Do you who support the prospect of the supers overturning the pledged delegate leader really believe that there will be no ramifications?  Serious long term ramifications?  And I dont mean 'im taking my ball home and voting for McCain' kind of childish ramifications, but real party fratricide ramifications.  Or is it simply, the ends justify the means.  Im really curious.

You will in one swoop depress turnout for the GE, turnoff a large historic and loyal base of the party and turnoff the future of the party.  You of course will be able to fall back onto 'the supers can do whatever they want' and technically you will be correct.  But the victory will not have a legitimate ring to it outside of the core of the party.

As a loser myself, every single time in primaries Im used to sucking it up and accepting the fact that my preferred candidate didnt make it.  I have always held private beliefs about the electability of the candidates that were chosen instead, but I pulled that D level anyway and I will do so this time if that is the way the chips fall.  Some of you will have to do some serious soul searching and suck it up this year as well.  It sucks when your candidate doesnt make it, but it sucks worse when the candidate in the lead by all metrics isnt given the nomination.  Legitimacy in a candidate is more important than anything else and like it or not delegates are the ultimate measure of legitimacy in the primary, everything else is secondary and wishful thinking.

I appreciate your support of your candidate, honestly I do.  I just wish you would equally acknowledge the risks her continued candidacy carries to the party.  Remember, this is not a Hillary site, it is a dem site (theoretically).