This is example #4120 that HRC supporters are sepearted from reality

No. bots like you clearly have most of your brain already washed and hence isnt doing much thinking. Have you heard of monitors or other such display devices which show the candidate from perhaps multiple angles? Apparently not. And you find it appropriate to call someone a moron and the genius replying to your post (below mine) thinks the hillary supporters are not connected to reality?

Jeez, if this is what the teens and the so called college educated crowd supporting Obama is capable of in terms of thinking, then we are in for a lot more trouble than just this election. Heck just 8 years ago when I got out of graduate school, "educated crowd" looked much better. Something to be said about messiahnic fervor I guess.

I have never said anything hateful about Hillary Clinton.  I've also never done anything like trying to take a stupid little thing and sink her campaign over it, so I really don't know what you are talking about.

Baseless attack.

Give 'em hell!

Look at the faces in the crowd - They aren't laughing and cheering like the people in the video.

This is either a photo from a different rally, a different point in the rally, or a still shot just before HE FLIPS THE BIRD.

Disagreeing with the viewpoint that Obama demonstrated an obscene gesture towards Hillary is not sufficient to mandate, by fiat, squelching of all discussion or dissent on this topic.

We can disagree, but silencing people is antithetical to democracy.

n/t

I can't help it if you're delusional.

well perhaps this video from the side will convince you.  <object width="425" height="355"></object>

then after looking at the video you might ask yourself why it's so important that you believe that he gave Hilary Clinton the finger.  

Clearly the concept of a delayed reaction is lost on you.  He gave an applause line immediately before that, whatever your crystal ball says to the contrary.

Whenever we look at a video, we are looking at a 3D object's mapping into a 2D plus time representation.

Clearly, the CBS video is showing one finger, and the second video shows two, from what I can see and the crowd who saw the view from the first video's reaction.

Now, I think Obama is one of the most skillful orators I have ever seen. Obviously, he made some kind of gesture that had the crowd suddenly smiling..

Whenever we try to simplify complex issues down into less information, something gets lost. What is getting lost in this dialogue is that something happened there and the indication is that it was intentional. I think the ambiguity that this is stirring up, ie. our respective reactions, is also intentional.

I have my own theory about what this is all about, and its not a comforting, fuzzy one. I think that for all our loyalty to our candidates, we need to step back and see that there is something greater and more sinister going on which is unclear at this point.

I think that our loyalties to PEOPLE rather than ISSUES makes us vulnerable to having our elections hijacked. I don't know a way around this though and I also am sure that the Founders of this country encountered problems of this kind too, and they dealt with them.

I am also sure that the Karl Roves and the Dick Cheneys of this world, the behind the scenes evil men who control this country, are happy at how they are dividing us.

I really wish that the Obama-folk I have intereacted with on this board would have spent more time listening to the issues that I have brought up, because I have tried to listen to theirs. Ultimately, this is an election with huge stakes. The reason that I am bothered by an Obama presidency at this point is that I don't think he's honest, and I think he's exploiting the good people who I see in his audiences. And its because I see Hillary Clinton as perhaps not perfect or even close to perfect, but as a hard worker who shares my values on a lot of levels and who cares about all of us much more than you give her credit.

Please, try to put yourselves in others positions. I really see Obama's position on healthcare to be a betrayal of the hope that you are putting in him, and far less than Americans deserve. If Obama is the Democrats nominee, the right is going to claim that Americans had a referendum on universal healthcare in that the Dems picked Obama who is against it, and so that means universal healthcare lost.

I don't think many of Obama's fans realize that his positions on many issues are FAR to the right of Hillary's. The MSM and some members of his staff, apparently, have been working overtime to obscure that aspect of his candidacy.

That scares the s** out of me.

Be careful, this man is a complicated one. I see this differently than many. The first video impression is always good. BUT, lawyers are very good at that- Hey, if you believe in 'the devil' they might also say he is very good looking.. *sigh

I suppose he may,in fact, probably is, in some, perhaps many ways a nice guy, but I also feel that my inner voice is telling me loudly that I KNOW he is a player. Very much a player. TOO much of a player.

I may be wrong, but I am unsure enough to have STRONG misgivings about him. My intuition has usually been right on things like this, for me. For you, I don't know. Its not for me to say.

See that film, so you will know what I am talking about. Its old but very good.

THINK FOR YOURSELF AND QUESTION AUTHORITY

Ha!  That's hardly an "urban street allusion."  Kids in my neighborhood do that, and I live in the whitest white suburb of all of Anne Arundel County, Maryland.  

It calls Hillary and her supporters "dirt."  I'm not into that.  I'm really really not into that.

O, I love you.  Not in a gay way, though. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I am an Obama supporter, but trust me when I tell you that I say this for your own good:

Let this go. Really. Let this go.

I don't think he did anything on purpose, but I wish he did. Such a juvenile, puerile, inane, conflict-of-interest-ridden, corrupt, piss-poor excuse for a "debate" deserves exactly such a response.

Wait, don't you have to calculate the angle of the face, the courseness of any stubble and the potential sweatiness or oiliness of the fingers to weigh the data against the possibility he was curling the middle finger, but friction slowed it down?

And I know what the photos say, and the video, and basic common sense. I KNOW WHAT I SAW on that blurry pixelly video, and at its most charitable it CLEARLY PROVES that I'm right to be TOTALLY CRAZY about the DUMBEST ATTEMPT AT A SLAM this entire cycle.

NO. I am just sick and tired of apologists for juvenile behavior.  That's all.  

What are you going to apologize for, rationalize, and deny next?

I even say "Fuck" sometimes.

We are talking about debates and the response of Obama here. Your response is irrelevant. When did Clinton get a question so stupid?

Since in the last 16 years, they have NOT asked these EXACT SAME questions of Hillary, (but have called her anything under the Sun, including in the debates debates), she hadn't been treated harshly!!

Remember, the NH ABC debate, Gibson asked her about her unlikability.  To paraphrase the question, "Hillary, many people think you are a *itch.  How do you respond?"

BUT,... but ... Hillary has NEVER asked about a flag pin! Oh, the unfairness of life!  She should have been, so Obama could give one of his "me too" answers again!

On the other hand, Obama had really nice, supple pillows for the first 20 debates.  The evil Gibson had taken the pillows, as a way to rattle Obama and take him off his game.  That's so unfair!

"Never trust someone with actual charisma."

(Except Bill.)

I really wish this comment could be bumped to the top of the thread.  Would've saved me a shitload of time.

Oh.

My.

God.

Yeah...let me go to my darkroom.

Well, I think I've shown myself throughout my time here at MyDD to be pretty foolish and never prepared to back up my positions with citation and support.  So could you please explain to me what you perceive to be the great irony in my statement?  Thanks.

You know, honestly, on that subject, it appears that Obama supported universal health care when he was in the IL Senate.

Right now, I don't see a dime's bit of difference between Hillary's and Obama's health care plans (well, maybe a dime--Hillary's is better). Neither is sufficient. We NEED universal health care.

If we had a debate with real questions--even HARD questions that, you know, mattered--I'd like that asked of Obama "what made you change your position on universal health care, and might you be persuaded to return to your original position?"

Hillary's plan is a lot different than the one she floated in the 90's--I'm cool with politicians changing their minds if they are persuaded something is better, but I don't understand why either candidate doesn't take the momentum of citizen upset right now and echo Edwards' demand for universal. Hell, if we gave up Iraq, it would be a financial cinch.