I would say a woman other than Hillary could be seen for what it may be, an attempt to woo back female support.  I am not sure that's Obama's best move.  If not Clinton, he should avoid picking a female.  Likewise, if Clinton steals the nomination, she would be wise not to pick someone like Harold Ford Jr.

i agree with you. the dems haven't even begun to campaign seriously against mccain. it's a shame they're having to use up so much money and energy ripping each other to shreds. seems like it would be better spent against mccain.

also, i took stroll through some red sites today. atlas shrugs has obama linked to the farc terrorists in colombia. world net daily has a series of articles by a mr klein proving that obama is a drug taking homo terrorist. maybe that's why obama's numbers are slipping against mccain.

I think you and many of the posters on this thread seriously, as in Seriously, underestimate where a lot of Hillary's support will go if she is not the nominee. It will not go to Obama. He has waged a dirty campaign. And Hillary supporters will not forgive him. No one I know will ever get over  him labeling the clintons as racists. And things went downhill from there. Obama could choose a woman or he choose God as his running mate and women will stay home in droves. He is widely seen as a truly aweful candidate who will be an even worse president. I know it is hard to hear how the other side sees your hero--which is how I often feel--but we will lose the election if Obama is the nominee and there is this kind of denial about how bad things are between the two camps. Women will simply refuse to vote or they will vote McCain.

I'm not a Republican at all.  I support Hillary Clinton and I'm a progressive down to my boots.  I want her to be my next president because I care about details and analysis.  I also want my president to be the sort of person who follows through and that's Hillary.  As a woman (and a black, 44-year old, college-educated one), I'd be thrilled to see THIS woman in the White House.  Yes, I am tired of the boys club, and just like John Lennon said, "woman is the nigger of the world-she is the slave of the slave."  I apologize if that sounds inflammatory, but it amazes me that some people, especially women, don't get that, because I see it all the time.

Quite frankly, although I will vote for Barack Obama if he's the nominee, I do find him arrogant and dismissive, and I wish he would stop presenting himself as a change agent.  When I look at his background, it seems pretty mainstream and straighforward.  What he does have, in more opinion, is the gift of being able to sway others with great oratory.  

I agree and I think most women are far too mature to vote for McCain if Senator Clinton isn't nominated. Quite frankly I don't believe McCain has a chance of winning. The polls at this time will change dramatically after the first debate.
McCain is about continuing the war. Nothing else.

The Supreme Court is one vote away from overturning Roe v. Wade, and the next president will almost certainly be appointing another justice. The fact remains, no matter how heated the debate gets, Obama and Clinton, while possessing different strengths and weaknesses, are very similar in their policies, especially when contrasted to John McCain.

On a separate note, these polls are meaningless. Once the general election begins, the dynamic will change, the narrative will change, the contrasts will become apparent. Even more to the point, I think it's time to give up the electability argument. If Obama beats Clinton for the nomination, then he can win the general. If Clinton beats Obama, then she can win general. Each is going to be each other's biggest obstacle. Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton are two of the best candidates this country has seen in a long time, and once the primary is over, there will be a battle tested Democrat running against a senator calling for more of the same when 81% of the country thinks we are on the wrong track.

In my opinion, McCain's meaningless poll gains are great for Democrats, because if he becomes the front runner, the less willing he will become to grovel at the feet of the far right, the right will have less urgency to fundraise, the media will become more critical (ok, that's just for OTHER frontrunners). Expectations will be raised, and when Obama or Clinton (both outstanding candidates) starts catching up, suddenly the narrative turns to McCain's fall. He's peaking too soon, and this early success could cause problems later (See Marc Ambinder)

We need to focus on destroying the myth of Maverick McCain, make a big push in voter registration, and work our asses off supporting down ticket candidates so we can provide either Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton with an overwhelming progressivc governing coalition.

Older voters are usually a tough nut to crack for non-incumbent democrats.

As far as the resentment vote, the people who are the most galled at the idea of Obama winning the nomination are by and large part of the activist sector of the Democratic party.  I can't see them sitting out any election, let alone one as critical.

Also, keep in mind that there will be no candidate to rally them, no means of organizing them, and nothing to keep them energized to sit the election out; they'll need it, because their natural inclination is to be politically involved.

are you seriously saying its either Hillary or NO OTHER WOMAN?

I mean come on are you seriously saying there is NO OTHER woman who would be deserving of a VP slot as Hillary? no one else could also be effective?

I would totally be happy with Clinton as VP, but do you really think she would accept it?

But haven't people around here been saying exactly the opposite - that it would be demeaning to Clinton if Obama asked her to be his VP?  I'm just curious about that.

You just have to be shitting us.  Forget Michigan in that case.  (-:

Besides, she was born in Canada.  

Petty.

Your response is basically vapid and worthless so it doesn't surprise me that you bring up Paris Hilton. How jealous or obsessed must you be to question the mans intelligence?

Just in case you forgot, he went to Harvard Law- which beats the heck out of whatever community college you attended.

well we have a winner for non-sequitur award...  the ability to bring up 4 Democratic women and Paris Hilton in the same sentence...  not that it was a contest or anything anyone should advocate.

But, by your measure, since Clinton won't accept, I guess he is best off not offering it.  No one wants to be the 2nd choice.

A VP doesn't really have to be exciting.  I fact, it might serve Obama to have a VP who seems a little boring and safe.

Yeah, I could see McCain try to shake things up by choosing someone like Rice, or the governor of Alaska (I forget her name).  

Rice would be a disaster for McCain, because the wingnuts that hate McCain aren't terribly fond of her either, and it's apparently a fairly substantial rumor that she is a lesbian. I first heard this from a die-hard NeoCon Republican, too, so it's not exactly a trashy bit of slander. Even if not, what are the folks who oppose Obama solely because of his race going to think when their other choice is a black woman? It's a very, very risky maneuver.

McCain will need all the support from the GOP spin machine he can, but he will not win without Republican help, particularly since we've seen that they are not above making a vote just to prove a point.

So I can see arguments to be made on both sides. Obama shows an ability to make McCain fight in areas he could otherwise ignore.

But Obama is actually at a disadvantage in NY, which could be disastrous. Both seem as if they currently have to fight to keep the state this time around, but Clinton is at a marked advantage, having represented it for eight years.

Exactly what they'd do to Clinton. Have you seen what they've already started saying about Clinton and Iran?

They will attack viciously either way, and if you think they're scared of Clinton, you're nuts. Clinton is starting at a huge disadvantage because she is and has always been unlikable by most people.

So what would ease your mind? Is Obama just completely unacceptable to you? Is there anything he could do as the nominee that would win your respect?

Thank you spokesperson for WOMEN EVERYWHERE.  I'm glad they have a Voice in you.

Maybe you don't like Obama, but I don't think women overall find him abhorrent. He has plenty of support.  Sure, Hillary's getting more of the women's vote, but that says more about Hillary's appeal than Obama somehow being creepy.

I am so sick of people trying to make women feel guilty for not supporting Hillary, because she's a woman!!  I am supporting Obama and I am a woman.  Not all women support Hillary!!  And please don't talk about the entitlement of the Clinton's because they have been in politics for 30 years!  I get the guilt trip from my mother-in-law because this may be the only chance she gets to see a woman in the Presidency.  To that, I say no.  There will be other women.  Just not this woman.  And I am a strong, graduate school educated, feminist woman - not supporting Hillary.  And I will not feel guilty about it.

Those 10EVs won't be from Arizona.

Well, Nader's running. Good luck to you.

So why are you even here?

I understand your sentiments as a fellow Hillary supporter. But we need to remember one thing: Hillary can quit from the Presidential nominee race but she will never quit from the Democratic party, she will never quit from her progressive ideals.

There are some ungrateful, ungracious, hateful people who will never understand this. But we need to rise above them and show what Hillary is really about.