Wyoming Results Thread

I'm seeing some caucus results come in. Per CNN:

Barack Obama 59%
Hillary Clinton 40%

with 78% precincts reporting

Update [2008-3-8 12:59:19 by Jerome Armstrong]: The expectation being that Obama would win, he'd need to get greater than 64.285% to move to a 8-4 split of the delegates, a win of 28% or more. A win of 1-28% would garner a 7-5 split of the delegates.

Update [2008-3-8 13:7:45 by Jerome Armstrong]: County results, via CNN. Clinton has won or tied in the 3 eastern counties, and Obama has won by larger margins in 3 western counties and 1 eastern county. Laramie, Albany, and Natrona, the three largest counties, are still outstanding.

Update [2008-3-8 14:0:32 by Jerome Armstrong]: With a big win in Albany, Obama moves above the threshold mentioned above. Obama's won 6 counties, Clinton 2, and they've tied in 2.

Update [2008-3-8 14:19:43 by Jerome Armstrong]: More counties reporting. Sweetwater becomes Clinton's largest county victory, 57-43 over Obama, and Obama takes Natrona 50-49. 7 counties for Obama, 4 counties for Clinton, and 2 tied. The 7-5 delegate split looks likely.

Update [2008-3-8 14:59:5 by Todd Beeton]:Just a note, per CNN the largest caucus precinct in the state, which is in Cheyenne, has yet to report -- they haven't even done the caucus portion of the event yet, so if that breaks one way or the other dramatically we could see a big late shift in the numbers.

Update [2008-3-8 15:7:55 by Todd Beeton]:Live on CNN, the Cheyenne precinct results were just announced and they went for Obama pretty solidly but also pretty consistent with the statewide vote, so not much will change:

1532 total votes cast

Obama: 940 votes
61%
33 delegates to the state convention

Clinton: 588 votes
38%
21 delegates to state convention

Now they're caucusing.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Democratic nomination, results, wyoming caucuses (all tags)

Comments

240 Comments

Re: Wyoming Results Thread

26% in

Obama   57%
Clinton 41%

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 07:49AM | 0 recs
That Leaked Spreadsheet

The leaked Obama spreadsheet has been pretty on-the-money thus far, it even got the Texas and Ohio results within a percent or two. I'd place my bets on the end result staying right around 60-40 for Obama.

by HatchInBrooklyn 2008-03-08 08:01AM | 0 recs
Totally Off-Topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJMFic1ZL 1A

Girl in 3am ad is a big Obama supporter.  The video of her was stock footage from eight years ago, about the age of Clinton's campaign strategy.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I guess this close result goes to show how idiotic Clinton was in ignoring caucus states in a proportional system.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 07:50AM | 0 recs
Shhhh!

Most of us realize that but people around here go ballistic when you mention it.

by GFORD 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

You mean when you call someone "idiotic?" Wow I wonder why people would be offended when you are offensive.

Let's try this: wow how idiotic was it for Sen Obama to not manage to lock up the nomination on Tuesday?

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

There is a difference between saying a belief someone holds is "idiotic" and calling someone an "idiot".  You shouldn't be offended by the comment that someone thinks an idea of yours is idiotic, it is a statement about your idea not you personally.

by matchles 2008-03-08 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

You're such a spoil sport.

Don't take their victimhood away!

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-08 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

Huh? Did that even make sense?

I think I just answered myself.

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

Huh? Did that even make sense?

I think I just answered myself.

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

I rest my case.

by GFORD 2008-03-08 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

So what you are saying is, because it was the campaign of YOUR candidate that made this decision we shouldn't criticize it??

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

No, I am saying we can try and have a civil discourse and not use name calling. I will myself say clearly it was a strategic error on the part of the Clinton campaign and smart move on the Obama campaign.

But calling someone idiotic is not the same thing.

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

see, and this is where I think you are looking for a personal insult. They said the decision was idiotic...and quite frankly it was a pretty poor choice. They didn't call Hillary an idiot (I would hope anyway, because that would be as false as it is insulting.)

The reason I jumped into this conversation is that there has been a lot of insults lobbed at both candidates and they have both been called some pretty awful things here, but I don't think this is one of those cases.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Shhhh!

If I misread, then I apologize. But I am pretty sure I didn't.

Thanks for the clarification though.

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Another Win that will Stay

So- because he would likely lose these states in November the Democratic voters who do live in those states don't count??

Hillary wouldn't win there either, so what is your point?

I propose a new system: Lets only let states that the last Democratic candidate for President won decide who our nominee is- that sounds very Democratic.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:09AM | 0 recs
yes, yes

insignificant red states...we know, we know.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:49AM | 0 recs
Here is a question

how come Hilary can not win them???

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

26% represents just six counties reporting out of 23.

Ie's also the six smallest counties. Total votes are still in the hundreds (O 339, C 243,Other 15).

The bigger counties went early, but haven't reported yet.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Just for interest sake, one county in Texas had only twelve voters in the general election. 7 to 5 favoring Obama.

by shergald 2008-03-08 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

yeah we know caucus states don't count

/as well as red states, blue states, primary states, small states, and any other state Obama has won.

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Don't forget white males, black males, black women, and the college educated!

Sheesh. Why does the DNC bother allowing these unimportant groups a say in the nomination contest?

by carbocation 2008-03-08 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

we also forgot to add young voters and independents

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

in 2012, the Democratic election will be limited to big blue states since they are the only ones that count. We waste the millions on places that democrats can't win in the GE or aren't big enough or relevant?

by poserM 2008-03-08 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
I support Dean's 50 state strategy. That's what is going to turn things around for Democrats. Obama can win lots more purple states than Clinton can, and more states are going purple. That "large, blue state" argument is very old school. I believe Clinton will realize that by the time this is all over.
by Becky G 2008-03-08 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Reports from Albany County are that they are voting in waves and have resorted to paper ballots as there is not enough room for the turnout. Estimates of turnout are more than a thousand. Did away with 15% viability rule. First wave looks good for Obama.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Looks like buyers remorse.

by labor nrrd 2008-03-08 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Agreed. Why can't Clinton seal the deal?

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:00AM | 0 recs
sheesh

Wyoming is insignificant.... YOU know that.... winks

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

When I first heard that talking point I couldn't help but laugh

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
There is also one "add on" delegate that goes to the winner of the caucus.
by supsupsup 2008-03-08 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Good point -- unpledged add-on delegates (UADs) will be seated by the winning campaign, so they can be looked on as a bonus.  The only tricky thing is that they show up in all the online delegate counts as superdelegates, so make sure to add them to the right column.

A good primer on UADs can be found at TPMCafe.  Required reading for election wonks :)

by Twin Planets 2008-03-08 09:20AM | 0 recs
CAMPBELL COUNTY GOES TO OBAMA!

Gillette is a pretty big town!

WOOOHOOOOOOO!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: CAMPBELL COUNTY GOES TO OBAMA!

Where's the Zellary part come from?

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: CAMPBELL COUNTY GOES TO OBAMA!

Challenging Chris MAtthews to a duel.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: CAMPBELL COUNTY GOES TO OBAMA!

I think its Zell Miller, the wacky nutty Georgia Dem who gave the keynote at the Republican convention in '04

by LiberalFL 2008-03-08 08:11AM | 0 recs
Now 58-40

Natrona, Laramie, Albany, and Sweetwater counties yet to report, and they are some of the biggest.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I've tried to get in touch with family in Laramie County to no avail. They were meeting in the Civic Center which ahs a huge capacity, but I suspect it has turned out to not be big enough.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:09AM | 0 recs
Jerome's Update

What's up with that, just trying to downplay the inevitable Obama victory? No one from Obama's campaign has projected that he'll get up to 64% today.

It's the popular vote that matters when Clinton wins, but apparently only the delegate split matters when she loses.

by HatchInBrooklyn 2008-03-08 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Update

Too true.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:11AM | 0 recs
That beep you are hearing is

the goal posts being moved back.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Update

haha I noticed this as well

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:12AM | 0 recs
HIS UPDATE IS FALSE!!!

Clinton TIED Niobrara and Cook, won Goshen.

One win, two ties, three losses for Clinton so far!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: HIS UPDATE IS FALSE!!!

To put it in reverse Jerome-speak, Obama has won or tied 6 counties, Clinton has won 1.

by Piuma 2008-03-08 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: HIS UPDATE IS FALSE!!!

Thanks for the interpretation. LOL

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-08 08:57AM | 0 recs
NIOBRARA AND COOK TIED!!!!

REsults:

O/C

10/10 in Niobrara
31/31 in Crook
96/108 in Goshen
123/45 in Uinta
48/27 in Sublette
31/22 in Hot Springs

The claims of Clinton wins in three Eastern Counties are false!!!!

She has one a single county and tied in two others.

Obnama trouncing her in the three other counties reporting!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Congratulations to Obama for another caucus win, shame he doesn't tend to do so well when more people get to vote.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Yeah, like in Virginia or Wisconsin. Congrats to Clinton on those landslide victories.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Why don't you congratulate her on winning pretty much every major state contest?

Or congratulate her for winning more votes from self indentified Democrats, it is the Democratic Party we're nominating for right?

by liberalj 2008-03-08 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

major states? I thought every state was major.

/Please understand she needs more than self identified democrats to win the GE. That is a problem she needs to work on

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Why would she need to do that? She's counting on Perot running again. 43% plus 1 for the win!

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:29AM | 0 recs
because

its not a red and blue world.

Just because some people do not identify themselves as democrats it does not mean they are more republican than democrat.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: because

Agreed, but i still think its odd that so many people in the blogosphere who tend to be very partisan Democrats and progressives would back the candidate who is more popular among Republicans and Independents than core Democrats.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: because

it's not a popularity contest.  We (you and I)support the candidate we think is the best choice.  And there are other smart people out there who do the same thing and some of them are not Democrats.

by GFORD 2008-03-08 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: because

Because they would like to win in November.  What a crazy idea.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: because

I want to win, thats one reason why im backing Hillary.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: because

I'd like a Democrat victory to actually mean something though, not be just a repeat of Republican politics, that's why I'm supporting Obama.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-03-08 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: because

The only major disagreement on domestic policy between them is on UHC, where Hillary has the more progressive position.

If Clinton had Republican politics, why would they hate her so much?

She's stood for UHC, a woman's right to choose, children's healthcare, gay rights, ending Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.

by liberalj 2008-03-09 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

This is a closed caucus. Only democrats vote, and she's getting killed.

Beyond that, this talking point is as stupid as all the other ones offered to explain away Clinton's defeats. The system is the system. Everyone knew what it was coming in and planned accordingly. The winner is the one who gets the delegates. The rest of the stuff -- including the stuff from the Obama side about superdelegates -- is just spin.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

You mean that "planning" and "foresight" count as qualifications for the CnC?

Who would have guessed? (Especially after reviewing the initial years of Hillary's first administration.)

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

As we saw in Texas, caucuses favour Obama. Credit to him for great organisation but if this was a primary the results would be very different i think.

The winner is the one with the most delegates, thats true. But part of winning more supers will be persuading them that Hillary is the choice of Democratic voters.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Its great that you think the results would be different. Maybe I think they would be the same...neither matters though because we live in the world of things that actually happened.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:14AM | 0 recs
And there are no independents

in this caucus. Just democrats.

So you tell me which democrats are more passionate.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Snooze. Yes, because so few people voted in the Missouri, Louisiana, Virginia, Wisconsin, Maryland, South Carolina, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Alabama, Vermont and Georgia primaries. And he won the Washington ''beauty'' contest.

by conspiracy 2008-03-08 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Don't worry. He'll get his chance in November.

by swarty 2008-03-08 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
Obama has won 14 primaries which is equal to the number of contests Clinton has won. Kinda puts to rest the claim Obama cannot win primaires.
by supsupsup 2008-03-08 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

sssh no facts or logic

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

that's why it's "no primaries in states that count," remember?

by Wes 2008-03-08 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I do not think there is any doubt he can win primaries.

The challenge is he is not doing well in any of the battleground states and depending on how the majority of the Latino vote would go in the general he might very well put CA in play for the GOP.

Don't get me wrong, clearly Clinton has her own disadvantages, but you have to admit the electoral map favors Clinton at this point.

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by kristoph 2008-03-08 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

no she doesn't, susa has a poll taken just a few days ago and clearly shows Obama wins more EV than Clinton when matched up against McCain.  Stop with the factless talking point.

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Seconded. Every analysis of the electoral math favors Obama over Clinton.

Now, whenever someone points something like this out, Clinton partisans always point out that the analysis is uncertain (as opposed to their infallible prognostication). Bunk.

It's like the argument about global warming, guys. Just because the future is uncertain does not entitle you to ignore the evidence we have and fabricate an argument based on nothing but speculation.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

patently false. the evidence we have is inconsistent. stop cherry picking.  

Electoral math at this point shows that it is TOO CLOSE either way. stop being such assholes to people you need to put a win in the Democratic column.
(Note: this includes those who support Hillary).

by hctb 2008-03-08 10:34AM | 0 recs
Viriginia is a battleground state.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I disagree.  He is doing very well in those states considering they are the main focus of her campaign and she was able to sustain huge leads until he started campaigning there.  The fact that she was able to barely hold onto a fraction of that lead after only a few weeks of campaigning by Obama does not look good for her.

by GFORD 2008-03-08 09:07AM | 0 recs
Obama doesn't do well in battleground states?

This is too vague - by the standards of the 2004 election he's done fine, by winning MO, IA, VA (marginally battleground, but more so now).  But that's not the real answer!

One thing the Survey USA 50-state poll showed is that each Democratic candidate has different battleground states! Poblano on DKos (an Obama supporter, but also a pretty impartial number cruncher) posted an over-the-top analysis of that poll and it shows precisely that.  Clinton's battleground states are: WA, FL, MI, OH, and PA, while Obama's are: OH, PA, NJ, MI, MN, MO, and VA.  (This is a very gross simplification -- please, please go take a look at Poblano's masterpiece, for the maps at the end if for no other reason.)  

Bottom line: it's pretty confusing & ambiguous (at best) to talk about battleground states irrespective of the candidate. Each appeals to a different combination of demography and geography. (Look at a map of wins so far if you don't believe me!)  The only semi-strong argument about electability lies in the overall electoral votes, and there Obama has a moderately significant edge.  

And then you have to decide how important marginal "electibility" is -- if Clinton has a 85% chance of winning the GE & Obama 90%, how important is that 5% chance vs. other criteria, such as experience or change?

by Twin Planets 2008-03-08 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Well lets take a closer look:

South Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama - no big surprise, how can you lose these primaries if you have 80% of the black vote?

Missouri - extremely narrow win

Wisconsin - neighbours his home state, but one his best wins

Illinois - home state

Now look Clinton's:

Massachusetts - Kennedy and Kerry both backing Obama, big Clinton win

California - big Clinton win

Texas - big Clinton win despite being outspent and Obama having big mo

New Jersey - another important Clinton win

Ohio - crucial state, Clinton wins big

When it comes to the big, hard fought crucial contests even with big advantages Obama still tends to lose out to Clinton.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

why do you hate states that Obama wins?

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Clinton made a strategic choice to focus the vast majority of her time a resources on a few big states. She would be expected to win there. Obama has spread his resources more evenly. That's why he's won twice as many states as Clinton.

Which set of victories matters more? There is a mechanism for weighting the contests in different states, and the margins of victory. It's called the pledged delegate count.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Where were Obama's advantages in those states you mentioned Clinton winning?  Why is it the black vote can be used as an excuse for his wins but the latino and blue collar vote can't be incorporated into her wins?  Your analysis is terrible.

by matchles 2008-03-08 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Because he gets the black vote virtually automatically, like Hillary gets a bigger female vote virtually automatically.

Obama's black support, and Hillary's greater female support aren't like Hillary's support amongst blue collar workers. They vote for her because they know she's better on the economy and her healthcare plan covers everyone. They are more interested in who is going to make a material difference to their lives than who gives the best speech.

You might think my analysis is terrible, but in the big primaries with the most diverse electorates Clinton has won them all save for Illinois.

Clinton won by 4% after a being left for dead, being outspent 2 to 1 and on the back of 11 straight defeats. Thats what i call a big win.

And coming from 10pts down to win by 2pts in New Hampshire, also counts as a big win. Obama hasn't shown any ability to deliver the knock out, or come back from real adversity.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 09:45AM | 0 recs
You do recall
that Obama was down by over 20 points in both Ohio and Texas just 2 weeks prior to the vote. And yet, Hillary won by 4% in Texas and 10% in Ohio. (while comparing Obama unfavorably to John McCain)
Please explain how that is not coming back from real adversity
by independentvoter 2008-03-08 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

How can you call Texas a BIG win??

She was up by 25% in the polls and won by what? 4%?

When did that count as a big win?

Big wins are what Obama did in the Potomac primaries.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Armstrong called a 2% win in NH decisive for Clinton as well.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Only Republicans aren't voting for Clinton, they're voting for Obama.

Clinton passes the commander-in-chief test, i dont think Obama does yet. Since he's likely to be the nominee i hope he does. This makes her the stronger candidate, also Clinton will bring women with her. AA's already vote 90% Democratic, but women went for Bush last time.

by liberalj 2008-03-08 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

We know Wyoming has had record turnout http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030800343. html?hpid=topnews

Pretty soon we'll know if Wyoming counts.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

come on you know the answer to that!

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of Texas, the latest CNN

Sen. Barack Obama led with about 56 percent of state delegates in the caucuses, compared to about 44 percent for Sen. Hillary Clinton, with about 41 percent of the state reporting by Thursday morning.

Clinton won the state's primary 51 percent to Obama's 48 percent. The state party awards the delegates proportionally statewide -- Clinton earned 65 delegates to Obama's 61."

Based on your views, I would suppose that you are against the superdelegate weighting in the nomination, which exceeds the caucuses by a wide margin. You didn't mention it. Could that be because Hillary is ahead there?

by shergald 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Doesn't the fact that Wyoming has a Democratic Governor suggest that, in fact, a Democratic nominee could carry it in November?

by mainelib 2008-03-08 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

There's no way in hell either of them to carry it, but there's definitely a chance that Obama's general election victory could help revive the statewide party.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

..and get Trauner elected as representative...  Aren't we also fielding a pretty good u.s. senate candidate?

by LordMike 2008-03-08 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

What about the fact that he has stated that he doesn't like any of the candidates and won't endorse them?

by Noonan 2008-03-08 08:30AM | 0 recs
Thanks for pointing that

out, Hillary.  We keep forgetting.

by GFORD 2008-03-08 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I hope ALL caucuses are done away with in 2012.  They are undemocratic, chaotic and dont fairly represents all Democrats.  A primary is the purest way to show your preference.

by New York Democrat 2008-03-08 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Who's going to pay for it?  Primaries are expensive.  Caucuses make more sense for smaller states, and they do much more than elect candidates.  Caucuses are like mini-conventions, where the state party's business gets done.

by LordMike 2008-03-08 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Yes, that's true.  In our Maine caucus (which had record turnout and which also allows absentee ballotting for no reason), we talked about the local, county, and state Democratic party committees and convention. People got to hear candidates for state office and were solicited to make $5 contributions so that they would qualify for the state's public financing system, called Clean Elections.

Done right, caucuses help build the political party.

Of course, that's not something the Clintons ever cared about, with their DLC, triangulating ways.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

IT's up to the state party to decide, not you.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

In an ideal world, yes. But I can guarentee if the Clinton campaign had actually had a plan to compete in them her supporters would not be harping on with this tired talking point.

by conspiracy 2008-03-08 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Since she would have done so much better in them.

by conspiracy 2008-03-08 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I've never seen so many excuses for losses!

by Drummond 2008-03-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Someone should write a diary listing them all in the order of introduction.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 08:58AM | 0 recs
Can someone tell me why Hilary

can not win caucuses. I mean seriously. if she gets popular vote why can nto she win caucuses. Is it because people who vote for her do not care enough to help her win?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Can someone tell me why Hilary

That's not TRUE at all. In the Democrats Abroad vote, they showed the country by country vote and Senator Clinton vote the ex-pat vote in Georgia, Azerbijan and Turkmenstan- so there. She can too win the Caucuses!

by Skipster 2008-03-08 09:18AM | 0 recs
Is it save to assume then

that she won the undemocratic vote and as such will refuse those delegates?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I agree.  We have what we have for this election cycle, but primaries are indeed preferable.

I am also heartened to see that many posters are showing renewed faith in the American voter.  For much of the Bush years I have seen voters referred to as "sheeple" or idiots for being too easily and too often fooled by Bush, Rove and the RWers.  The wisdom of activists who could see through the Bush lies and bullshit was often touted over the wisdom of the collective electorate.

I am glad to see many posts that would indicate that is changing.  Caucuses favor activists while primaries favor the average voter.

by pampango 2008-03-08 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

And Hillary is weak in Oregon, Washington, and Michigan.

Never mind, those are key battleground states that 'don't matter.'

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

No they do matter. Which is why, it is fair to say, the Democratic party needs the 'dream ticket'.

The key question, really, is who will be on top of that ticket.

by kristoph 2008-03-08 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

If I were Obama, I wouldn't want Hillary as vp. She and Bill would not be good team players. And he has said he would not take the vp slot.

This whole line is meant to benefit Hillary by convincing voters that they can get Obama, too.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Dream ticket? Nightmare ticket more like.

Obama has already said he won't be Zellary's veep adn I know there's no way he'd even ask her to be his,so the "dream ticket" is just a fairy tale.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I am not so sure it is a dream ticket anyway... I think a lot of the people Obama brings to the table will vote Democrat but aren't going to be as motivated to vote at all- it is hard to get excited about the VP.

I know Hillary's supporters will say that is why she is better- she does well with the voters who, well, vote. But the flip side of that is that if Obama, as the Presidential candidate brings more people into the process we at least get the opportunity to TRY and keep them active- that changes the metric not just in this election but in future elections as well.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Obama doesn't need OH, PA, FL to win the general election.  Also you must be smoking something if you honestly think Obama will not win CA.  There is no way!

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/ 03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama- 280-mccain-258/

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

That's a lie. He carries CA 1% better than she does according to SurveyUSA. She doesn't carry Ohio any better than Obama versus John McCain according to the same polling. Rush Limbaugh and Cunningham like her for the moment, but won't be sending their legions to vote for her in November.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Ah, yes, the infallible OH/PA/FL theory that served John Kerry so well.  If we've seen anything this campaign cycle, it's that Hillary is going to repeat the Kerry strategy while conceding other opportunities like CO, IA, VA to McGrumpypants.

by JK47 2008-03-08 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
Winning or not winning them in the primary has nothing to do with how you would do in them if you were the Dem nominee. For example, in Ohio Obama got almost half the votes (don't remember the exact percent). That's not shabby. In November either one will be running against McCain - whole different ballgame.
by Becky G 2008-03-08 09:10AM | 0 recs
why is hilary so

weak that she can even win caucuses.

She only seems to win some undemocratic primaries.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 08:27AM | 0 recs
they do facilitate

turn out of high participation voters who do GOTC, GOTV, and donate.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Romney wins WY!!!

Ummm... apparently, someone didn't get the memo?  Yeah....

by LordMike 2008-03-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Check the date - The Republican caucus was in January.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

oops... my bad!

by LordMike 2008-03-08 09:06AM | 0 recs
ok that was funny

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

what's the deal on the state delegates?  do the repubs and dems divvy them out based on the same number of people voting?  i'm just wondering, because when the wyoming repubs voted in their caucus on jan 5th, that they moved up to be more relevant (how'd that work out?) they allocated a grand total of 12 state delegates between the repubs.  so far, with 30% counted, there have been 777 state delegates allocated to the dems.  if x number of people equals one delegate, and x is a constant in both parties, then this is a very good sign.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-03-08 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
Just for the record a win of 7-5 would erase half of Hillary's win on tuesday.
Just sayin'
by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

It's astonishing that Clinton's millions couldn't buy an adviser who could give her the raw and dirty facts of a proportional delegate race. There is a God.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I notice vacuous Obamabots have invaded this thread.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-08 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Obamabots???  I don't think anyone has been calling your candidate Hitlery around here.

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Are all the Clinton supporters out working their Saturday double shift?

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Are all Obama supporters classist suburbanites who now fashion themselves as urbane?

by truthteller2007 2008-03-08 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Pretty much, us Hillary supporters are poor dumb non creative non hip types that don't know any better. We are too dumb to see she is the monster and he is the saviour.

I am going to drool in the corner now, I am so dumb.

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Just a friendly heads-up, TT; the admins. are coming down fairly hard on anything that can be construed as a negative attack. I believe dropping random insults into a thread might qualify.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 09:02AM | 0 recs
we do not want for Hillbots

to get lonely.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Pocketnines on dailykos (hat tip) actually explain the following

Again, the 59-41 numbers you are seeing after 7 counties have reported are NOT the relevant numbers.  The relevant numbers are the number of delegates each county sends to the state convention.  Right now Obama has 62.8% of the delegates apportioned to the state convention - not 59%... this is an important distinction that most seem to be missing...

by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Obama gave a speech to a crowd of 15,000 last night. There should be at least that many.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

He delivered another speech?

by truthteller2007 2008-03-08 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Instead of buying Mark Penn's next mansion, she should have bought a few more public speaking coaches.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:57AM | 0 recs
yeah, imagine that

and election, who ever heard of that.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

If he had gotten as many votes as people who came to his speech he would be the nominee right now.

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

You're saying that he's had over 13.5 million people come to his speeches?

by matchles 2008-03-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

According to the media you'd think he'd already have over 200 million people coming to his speeches by now! :)

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

The 35% is 35% of 23 counties.

Estimates in Sweetwater County put turnout at 1000.

Albany County estimates I've seen are over 3000. You should see at least that many in Laramie and NAtrona Counties.

As a side note, Laramie, WY is in Albany County and Cheyenne is in Laramie County.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
So if Hillary does a little better than usual, expect Jerome to explain it by saying Obama is losing support.
It of course has nothing to do with the face she now realized she had to organize better in caucus states.
And of course working people in WY somehow have more time to caucus than in other states where working people are disenfranchized by caucuses. Of course.
by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

You've got the patented Clinton Circular Logic Talking Points perfected!

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-08 09:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Won't matter when Hillary sweeps PA, FL, MI, WV, KY and Puerto Rico. She is also running strong in NC and IN. Enjoy the expected victory in Dick Cheney's birthplace

by rossinatl 2008-03-08 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Show me some polling data that says she's going to sweep Puerto Rico.

Strong in NC and IN? And they call Obamabots delusional... give me a break.

She's tied with Obama in the event of a Michigan revote.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

We have to give her props for Oklahoma. I chuckle every time she tries to contort that victory as significant.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

We have to give her props for Oklahoma. I chuckle every time she tries to contort that victory as significant.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I didn't believe the crossover-to-subvert myth when Clinton supporters were pushing it, and it doesn't make any more sense the other way around.

Ohio was a great win for Clinton. She had a good day Tuesday.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

She had a very good day Tuesday. Although I think any objective observer would probably say it should have been a better day considering the battering Obama took leading up to it.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
Most of those states you just listed are red states that Dems can't win in November (or so Hillary people say). So why would they matter? However Obama will win some of those based on polls.
by Becky G 2008-03-08 09:15AM | 0 recs
Actually 10% is a little sad

she was up by 20% only a few weeks before.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:30AM | 0 recs
State Convention Delegate Count so far

54 of 319 decided

Obama 33
Clinton 21

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: State Convention Delegate Count so far

Just saw Hillary on TV saying that caucuses are not elections and most of the people who voted for her have never caucused.  Most of the people who voted for her don't have time for caucuses.

Maybe her support isn't as strong as some would have us believe since she doesn't even think she can get her people out to support her.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 09:10AM | 0 recs
Apparently hillary supporters

do not feel strong enough to support her in a caucus.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: State Convention Delegate Count so far

This spinning from the Clinton campaign is really getting distasteful.

by rfahey22 2008-03-08 10:54AM | 0 recs
OBAMA WINS BIG IN ALBANY COUNTY!

Obama 74%
Clinton 25%

OVerall now stand at Obama 66%, Clinton 33%!!!

WOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!

My Alma Mater of UW comes through!!!!!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: OBAMA WINS BIG IN ALBANY COUNTY!

That makes 7 counties where Obama has won or tied, and 2 counties where Clinton has narrowly won.

by Piuma 2008-03-08 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Looks like he might be able to gain that extra delegate after all.

by Socks The Cat 2008-03-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Those are delegates, not votes.  Each represents many votes.

by Drummond 2008-03-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

It says a lot about the poor state of her campaign if she doesn't have the resources to get 800 more people out to vote for her.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

There aren't 220,000 voters in Wyoming.

Total.

In all parties.

Wyoming is #50 in terms of population.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

that is pathetic; you can't even muster enough to admit that this is a good win for him.  You want to compare the votes from Ohio and Wyoming?

/sad

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

It's making up for half of his delegate loss on March 4th. Either her victory was insignificant, or today's significant.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Let's see...

The question is whether he'll come out 2 delegates ahead or 4 delegates ahead.

On Tuesday, after all was said and done, Clinton came out 1 delegate better off than she was on Monday (since the CA recount gave an 8 delegate swing).

Today is huge for Obama. His strategy pays off in terms of delegates.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

They add up, my friend, they add up.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-08 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Not when you can't carry Michigan, Washington, and Oregon head to head against Johnny Hero.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Not delegate-wise, no. Sorry to inform you that this primary is about delegates, not spin.

by marcotom 2008-03-08 09:13AM | 0 recs
by lyn5 2008-03-08 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Counts so far

Obama 1,562 66%
Clinton 758 33%
Other 26 1%

Sweetwater went for Clinton.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

They tied among Republicans. Are you really just making it up?

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-03-08 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

"best group" being republicans and independents. U re making his point dude.

by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 09:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
And I repeat
Those "best groups" being republicans and independents.
So u re making the point of the initial commenter who said they were the ones who helped her win OH.
it is not entirely right but u re making his point here
by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

In 1960 it was Wyoming's 15 votes at Convention that made Kennedy the nominee..(yep it was that close. People forget)

by nogo war 2008-03-08 09:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Hillary slaughtered Obama in Sweetwater County.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-08 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
53/47% = Slaughter in Sweetwater?
what's 25/74 for Obama in the bigger Albany county?
by poserM 2008-03-08 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Big counties don't count!  Big states, little counties.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Good thing, now she can claim victory no matter the outcome.

by matchles 2008-03-08 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

ZING!

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Sweetwater county is the only county that counts

by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

If a 57-43 win is the definition of a slaughter, what word applies to  the 74-25 Obama win in Albany County or the 73-27 Obama win in Uinta County or the 61-35 Obama win in Sublette or the 61-37 Obama win in Campbell County or the 59-41 Obama win in Washakie?

by Piuma 2008-03-08 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I believe the proper Clinton phrase is "not a factor."

It's a pity that none of the networks did any exit polling. Hillary will be able to continually hold up the red herring that she does better among the elderly, white women, or low incomes.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Overkill?

by GFORD 2008-03-08 09:27AM | 0 recs
enter here mortals and despair? n/t

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Agreed. Why can't she seal the deal? I think the voters are taking a step back and saying, do we really want to put this woman in the White House? Has she crossed the threshold?

by carbocation 2008-03-08 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

hahaha I love it!

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-08 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
$$ count. Clinton only ran radio in WY. Obama ran radio and TV.
$$ will count MS also.
by nogo war 2008-03-08 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Converse goes for Clinton.

My count so far in State Delegates sits as follows:

Obama 68
Clinton 37

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Obama takes NAtrona County by seven votes.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread
And let's not forget the add-on delegate.
So the win will either be 8-5 or 9-4.
by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

There are a lot more people in Ohio than Wyoming, but why bother being intellectually honest.

by JDF 2008-03-08 09:26AM | 0 recs
again, why can not she win caucus

surely if she wins popular votes she can easily win caucuses.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

REport from on the ground in LAramie County. They had to do wave voting. First wave looked great for Obama. At least one more wave, possibly two.

First wave ended just a bit ago.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

A curious observation
Crook County is colored for Clinton yet they tied.
Niobrara is colored for Clinton yet they tied.
Knowing WY as I do I figure these ties were gender based with couples split

Wyoming is probably the most conservative State.
I figure there is some Clinton Backlash afoot.
at the CNN page..look at the Republican side which went earlier.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari es/results/state/#WY

by nogo war 2008-03-08 09:27AM | 0 recs
your tx spin

is BS.

by kevin22262 2008-03-08 09:34AM | 0 recs
Poetic Justice

Adding the caucus plus primary popular votes to give Obama a lead is no more ridiculous than including only Clinton's popular vote in Michigan.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 09:37AM | 0 recs
double voting

Isn't it a wonderful thing?

hm.

by kevin22262 2008-03-08 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

LARAMIE COUNTY STOPS VOTING FOR A LUNCH BREAK AFTER SECOND WAVE!!!!!!!!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:30AM | 0 recs
Jerome

the delegates for Wyoming are split, 8 tied to the caucus and 6 are SDs.

by kevin22262 2008-03-08 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome

12 tied to the caucus and 6 are Supers. @ supers have decalred for Obama.

Then there's the bonus delegate Obama will get for winning.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:39AM | 0 recs
I read it wrong at CNN

by kevin22262 2008-03-08 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

So many latte-sippers in Wyoming.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 09:39AM | 0 recs
Any reports of birkenstocks and Priuses? n/t

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

YEs.

They resorted to wave voting. Line to get in went around the block into p[arking lot. They took a lunch break before the third wave.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

It is a primary not a caucus. We wont have any news until polls close tonight !

by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-08 09:45AM | 0 recs
PARK COUNTY GOES FOR OBAMA!

Go Yellowstone!

63% Obama
37% Clinton

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

They are not allowed to call it until all the precincts are closed.

by Piuma 2008-03-08 09:49AM | 0 recs
Lincoln for Obama, Carbon for Clinton

Laramie County, and especially Cheyenne, will tell the tale.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Lincoln for Obama, Carbon for Clinton

Albany is the typical "big student town" it has University of Wyoming. Laramie is where all the city administration and bureaus are located. It's  probably where AFSCME has some influence.

by proudtobeliberal 2008-03-08 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Lincoln for Obama, Carbon for Clinton

It's the state capital.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

She's the comeback kid, part XVI!

by carbocation 2008-03-08 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

There isn't a single public state wide poll, why would you expect anything on the county level?

by carbocation 2008-03-08 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Hillary Clinton won Carbon County.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-08 10:01AM | 0 recs
FREMONT GOES FOR OBAMA!!

They like Obama on the reservation!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 10:02AM | 0 recs
CHEYENNE GOES FOR OBAMA!!!!

ALMOST 2 to 1!!!!!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I'm watching on CNN.  Didn't see any Lattes.  Back to you.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 10:08AM | 0 recs
The whole Clinton family campaigned in WY

This is a good test for the "buyer's remorse" thesis. The entire Clinton family toured the state. Bill went to Sweetwater County (heavy coal mining area), Hillary went to Cheyenne and Casper, and Chelsea went to Laramie. All have been to Jackson many times. Unlike Idaho and some other caucus states, Hillary Clinton did not cede this one to Obama.

And yet, Obama is still poised to win the state with about 58% of the delegates.  That will give him 8 votes to Hillary's 5 in the convention (with the add-on delegate). Had Hillary never bothered to show up she might have lost 9-4 instead.

But this doesn't show any "buyer's remorse." It shows that Obama still has great strength in the mountain west and that he know how to organize. On the other hand, it shows the utter folly of Clinton simply conceding caucus states like Colorado, Idaho, Nebraska and Minnesota to Obama.

by elrod 2008-03-08 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: The whole Clinton family campaigned in WY

it is great that he is strong in the mountain west. he will make a great vp.

by hctb 2008-03-08 10:37AM | 0 recs
*blink*

he would make an even better p

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 12:01PM | 0 recs
Obama regains the Momentum

Not enough ofHeadRush's ditto heads in Wyoming to throw this one to Clinton.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-08 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama regains the Momentum

If you say so, because you know, Wyoming was the main event. :)

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

With 74 % percent reporting-

Obama 58 %-- 2,725
Clinton 41 % -- 1,933

This is really, really good.  There aren't so many delegates at stake, but with a likely win in Mississippi coming up next week, Obama will be back in good shape going into the long empty stretch leading up to Pennsylvania.  This changes the atmospherics a lot, and makes it harder for the media to keep pimping for Hillary.

Whoopee !  

by global yokel 2008-03-08 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Clinton did go to Minnesota before the caucus.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

79%
59-Obama
40-Clinton

This is the same as the final result as Maine, another one of those latte-sipping, high African American population states.

by mainelib 2008-03-08 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

I've been observing this thread....why the nasty  tone from Obama supporters?  Do you have to put down the other candidate just because Obama is winning Wyoming?  Doesn't sound much like the campaign of unity to me.

by CalGirl 2008-03-08 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

We can talk about unity once we've stopped Clinton from destroying the future of the Democratic party.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

the received new directives from campaign headquarters in chicago, illinois.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-08 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Hate to break it to you, but Hillary dislike has come from the bottom up. Grassroots for the win.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 10:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Is this supposed to be a good thing? Irrational hatred from the bottom up? Misogyny from the bottom up?

by Marvin42 2008-03-08 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

There's nothing irrational about it. The problem isn't the vagina, it's her bunker mentality personality. We don't need another eight years of Bush.

by carbocation 2008-03-08 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

it is good you are willing to overlook her vagina. That is very comforting.

Equating Clinton to Bush. Irresponsible. How can that be if the only difference between the two is about a mandate and about experience?

by hctb 2008-03-08 10:42AM | 0 recs
who told you it was irrational

I do not like her because of how she voted.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

It's just gloating, no harm done.  You might want to check Armstrong's post this morning.  You might also  like to count the calls from Clinton supporters for Obama to drop out that started the minute she pulled ahead in OH.

by enozinho 2008-03-08 10:22AM | 0 recs
Yes

In fact, I suspected she might win Natrona (Casper) based on heavy media coverage of her visit there (before Obama). The State Party Chair in Casper is a big Clinton supporter too. And I still suspect she might win Laramie County (Cheyenne).

Also, Sweetwater County is a major coal mining county. It's one of the strongest Democratic counties in the state and is one of the few to support Bill Clinton in the 1990s. Interestingly, Campbell County (Gilette) is also very coal-centric and they went for Obama heavily.  But Bill Clinton went to Sweetwater and Obama never visited. I figured Clinton would win there.

This was not a state that Hillary just conceded. She fought for this state and sent the whole family throughout. Obama had a town hall in Casper and a rally in Laramie. That's it. He ran some TV ads and both candidates ran radio spots. But Hillary fought hard for Wyoming.  This wasn't Idaho.

by elrod 2008-03-08 10:14AM | 0 recs
Cheyenne (Laramie County) a big win for Obama

I thought Clinton would be close in Cheyenne - or even win it. She campaigned in Cheyenne and Obama did not. She had the AFSCME support with state workers.  But she got beaten soundly in Cheyenne, losing 61-38.

I'm starting to think that with Teton County (true latte-sippers) caucusing tonight that Obama could actually get to the 62.3% threshold necessary for the extra delegates. Before Cheyenne I thought that impossible.

by elrod 2008-03-08 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

This week, my candidate won the Texas and Ohio primaries, yours won the Wyoming caucus. Wanna trade? Didn't think so.

by Scan 2008-03-08 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

Why would anyone want to change, Obama won the delegates...

by kbuggy 2008-03-08 10:55AM | 0 recs
Wrong again...

TX primary:

Clinton 65
Obama 61

Caucus delegates not tallied yet.

by Scan 2008-03-08 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong again...

TEXAS

OBAMA: 98
HILLRY: 95

Like I said Obama won the delegates!

by kbuggy 2008-03-11 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

You still count Texas as a win even though Obama is going to take more delegates from there?

by matchles 2008-03-08 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wyoming Results Thread

More people in the Texas primary voted for Clinton than Obama. That means she won. Its called democracy. I have the feeling that the superdelegates will agree with me.

by Scan 2008-03-08 11:28AM | 0 recs
actually its called

a primacaucus. And Obama won it.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: actually its called

delegates shmelegates...

no one wins without the superdelegates, and do you think they will vote against the winner of the popular vote?

nope.

by Scan 2008-03-08 12:33PM | 0 recs
we will see.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-08 05:27PM | 0 recs

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