eh I think after he sees the PA margins he can decide,

if you add MI and FL, he is up 90,000 votes,

thus if he keeps it close in PA then he can allow those votes since he can get it back in NC. and then FL and MI would be in and he has his popular vote win, taking Hillary's last argument from her.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/1414 0/4182

Why not just give HRC +10 or 11 delegates out of Michigan and make both campaigns pledge that the 'vote' tallies do not count towards the popular vote?

That gives Clinton a bit more delegates + opens up the superdelegates.  It is roughly equivalent to the above proposal and does not make anyone wait until the end of June.

I say don't count the Jan vote in vote totals as a way to throw a bone to Obama supporters and hard-line 'rules are rules' folks while tossing HRC supporters some extra delegates.

Anyway, probably a stupid idea on my part, but simpler seems better.

Hillary's campaign has shown no signs of compromising on the re-vote. Their whole meme of 'disenfranchisement' goes out the window if the delegates don't reflect the actual votes..

Hillary needs MI and FL as a campaign issue to beat up on Obama. She does not really want this resolved.  

The only valid proposal with respect to Florida and Michigan is a re-vote. Any delegate apportionment based on the beauty contests that occurred are just changing the rules after the fact to the detriment of one side or the other.

"Obama is determined to disenfranchise MI and FLA until and unless he thinks those votes won't hurt him."

The jury will please disregard the last remark..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/us/pol itics/02dems.html?_r=1&ref=politics& amp;oref=slogin

If Mr. Obama is not willing to get those delegates seated, or a reasonable revote plan accomplished, he is going to find the Democratic party irrepairably split. And it won't be because Hillary does or does not drop out. It will all be because of him.

Quite frankly, without FL and MI, this is not a legitimate election. He is not a legitimate nominee. The whole world is waking up to the fact that he won't agree to anything involving FL and MI because he is scared to death that he will lose. Your own site shows the stakes. You have 2 graphics on the right of delegate counts. The first is without FL and MI. The second is with. Guess what? With FL & MI, Hillary is ahead by 1 delegate. This is the story Obama doesn't want the press to know about.

With a revote, it is quite likely that Hillary would get even more delegates for the simple fact that people are outraged that he is trying to suppress their votes. I don't live in MI or FL, but I am just as outraged. Since when did we have a nomination that didn't count everyone's votes? How can anyone - after seeing what happened in 2000 - actually suggest that you don't let FL vote?

He wants a funded plan that is fair to both him and Clinton.  I haven't heard of one presented to him yet.

We can all make up random plans for "counting" MI/FL, but let's not act like BOTH candidates agreed that they wouldn't count and that they wouldn't participate in either primary.

Oh yeah...
The definitive Clinton rules
http://www.simplych.com/cb_rules.htm

If Mr. Obama is not willing to get those delegates seated, or a reasonable revote plan accomplished, he is going to find the Democratic party irrepairably split. And it won't be because Hillary does or does not drop out. It will all be because of him.

FL and MI have yet to come up with a funded revote plan that isn't fatally flawed.  That is not Obama's fault.

Both candidates agreed to the current situation.  Both agreed that FL and MI wouldn't count, and neither had an issue with the legitimacy of the election without their votes.  It's only an issue because Clinton is desperate.

Why should voters from other parts of country be counted towards Michigan voters. It seems like one person not in Michigan = 2 votes.

The only fair solution is a revote in my opinion.
And I think Sen. Clinton is right on this one-
any nominee without FL/MI may lack proper legitimicacy especially.

general election ad promises "the American President the American people have been waiting for".

This is clearly aimed at Obama, and I hope he answers it soon.  Because even worse will be coming.

yup they broke the rules why reward them with anything. All this outrage should be on the people that changed the date after being warned.

If you drink and drive they take your licence away
If you kill someone you go to jail
If you vote early without the dem leadership ok your votes dont count.

why...........

Cause dems the rules, deal with it.

Oh yeah...What is the definitive Clinton Plan for MI and FL?..please link...
(The jury will disregard the current status of delegates....The number of States/Caucuses won and the %...)
Please link to your MyDD outrage last September...
I have all the respect for those that from the get go were outraged...
As for the rest of you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2sWjouB1 YA&feature=related

The House side of the Michigan legislature is still in recess until next week.  This new plan or compromise is going to have to move pretty quickly through a Democratically controlled House and the Democrats will have to give something to the Republicans in order to get it passed through the Republican Senate.... Should be interesting indeed.  They have to have all the money approved, the plan in place, and the votes before June 7th?

According to DNC rules, people who voted in the Republican primary can't vote in the Democratic primary.  So those Obama supporters who voted in the Republican primary because their candidate wasn't on the Democratic ballot (and were told the Democratic primary wouldn't count anyway) are doubly screwed.  They couldn't vote for their candidate in the original primary, and they can't vote in the redo.  You don't think Obama would have picked up a couple of hundred thousdand votes in Detroit alone?

PLEASE BEAT ME.

I think you're right. This comes down to May 6th, Obama wins Indiana and North Carolina and Clinton will have to drop out. If Clinton wins both, then she's right back in the game. If Clinton wins Indiana and Obama wins North Carolina, she can probably carry on but will be under more pressure to quit.

Michigan and Florida need to be heard at the convention. If Clinton drops out i expect them to seat the delegations in full.

47 for Hillary is not enough, if Obama will get 36,
which is just 11 more for her.
she has to get at least 22 more delegates than Obama.
she won 55% and if you do not like it than revote.
And NO, she will not drop out; she will crush Obama in PA, KY and WV. and in other states no caucuses - they all closed primaries!
And only NC has 22% of blacks, all remaining states have much less than that...

Obama wanted a scenario in which crossover voters (like me) could be allowed to vote for our truly preferred candidate (who wasn't on the ballot before), since we were never warned that a) a revote would happen or b) a crossover vote would disenfranchise us.

They have not yet offered a scenario that's actually fair to anyone but Clinton voters.

Um yeah, it's Hillary who agreed that the votes wouldn't count, and only now, behind in the race, wants to change the rules mid-game.

Utterly ridiculous and baseless accusation... Amazing how Hillary ONLY supports counting the votes or revotes when it BENEFITS her... before Obama schooled her in Iowa, she never said a THING in support of Florida or Michigan... she never gave a damn about them until it became the ONLY slim sliver of a way she could still get the nom.

No theyshould have kept the original 50% penalty... then we wouldn't be in this mess.