Open Thread

Americans United For Change brings us this excellent reminder of who we should all be uniting against this year.

What else is going on today?

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BULLS EYES!

he has NO idea what is coming at him. This unsettled Democratic process is almost bad for McBush. Because he will not have enough time to adjust to the big sucker punch and rude awakening coming his way. He is just gonna get used to campaigning against no one and goin to Europe.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-27 03:33PM | 0 recs
former FOB - NH

Fair-weather friends: The Clintons cut NH loose

REALLY, there are no permanent Friends of Bill. For the former President and his wife, a tandem of duplicity and ambition unrivaled in American history, there are only temporary alliances. New Hampshire is learning this now, as so many others have before.

Ever since Bill Clinton proclaimed himself "the Comeback Kid" for his second-place finish in the 1992 New Hampshire Democratic primary, he has portrayed himself as a stalwart defender of New Hampshire and its first-in-the-nation tradition. He championed this state's retail politics as a model for the nation and made sure he maintained his ties here in preparation for his wife's inevitable future presidential run.

Those relationships paid off handsomely in January, when Hillary Clinton, who had spent more than a year fawning over New Hampshire's great electoral traditions, won here with the strong backing of the Democratic Party establishment.

Now, having used New Hampshire as the launching pad for both of their presidential bids, the Clintons have no more use for us. And so it was that on Monday, Bill Clinton threw New Hampshire and our Democratic Secretary of State Bill Gardner under the proverbial bus.

To justify his claim that Florida and Michigan delegates should be seated at the Democratic National Convention, the former President said, "We let New Hampshire go out of turn. They had a Democratic secretary of state. The Florida voters are totally innocent. They asked to vote on time."

To the Clintons, rewriting history is as simple as repeating their own talking points until they become accepted as facts. But the truth is that the Clintons happily accepted the bumped-up New Hampshire primary at the time because they perceived it gave Hillary an advantage. Hillary Clinton even signed a pledge to not campaign or participate in the Michigan or Florida primaries. That pledge was meant to punish those two states for moving up their primary dates, and she knew it.

But it was not sincere. It was one point of the famous Clinton triangulation. And before you knew it, Sen. Clinton was participating in both the Michigan and Florida primaries, which, of course, she won by violating her pledge.

Now, needing those delegates, she and her husband innocently claim that it was the sneaky New Hampshire Secretary of State Bill Gardner who broke the DNC rules, victimizing poor, helpless Florida and Michigan. And the DNC let him get away with it only because he is a Democrat.

Never mind the historical record, which shows that Florida and Michigan moved up their primaries first, prompting New Hampshire to respond. If they stand in the way of the Clintons' march through history, the facts be damned.

And, if they stand in the way of the Clintons' march through history, their friends be damned, too.

http://www.theunionleader.com/article.as px?headline=Fair-weather+friends%3a+The+ Clintons+cut+NH+loose&articleId=a061 c399-bee3-4a1f-8c4f-86d8d7ae6a15

by dearreader 2008-03-28 11:20AM | 0 recs
the moment is now for the Internet

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/03/27/AR2008032703618. html

EXCERPT

For the first time, Congress and the FCC are debating wide-reaching Web regulations and policies that would determine how much control cable and telecommunications companies would have over the Internet. The issue has given rise to a new political constituency raised on text messaging and social networking and relies on e-mail blasts and online video clips in its advocacy.

Although Free Press has generated buzz for its aggressive and sometimes controversial tactics online, its ringleader in Washington is an unlikely crusader. A soft-spoken 30-year-old PhD candidate, Ben Scott has become an operator in multibillion-dollar battles involving corporate titans, regulators and consumers debating policies over who controls the media and the Internet.

"There have been policy moments in the past when the market has been shaped by decisions made in Washington -- radio in the 1930s, television in the 1950s and cable in the 1980s. That moment is now for the Internet," said Scott, who runs a nine-member office.

by dearreader 2008-03-28 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Anyone got news on the impending special to fill out the term for Wynn's seat in Maryland?

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-27 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

The problem with McCain is that he is believable. That is something that you cannot fake and it is something that's rare in politics. For all his flaws, he sounds and looks like he cares dearly about this country.

I don't know if some negative campaigning is going to revert that. Plus, if we go too negative against him, it might backfire against us.

I think the economy and the anxiety that the American people are feeling right now is the way to go. By all measure, the real estate debacle will reach bottom around late June early July. That means the recovering will take at least 6 months to get in gear and that gives enough time/ammunitionsfor our candidate to go after McCain.

As for Iraq, it will be determined by the events on the grounds. If we go through a very bad summer, well our candidate does not even need to say a thing about it. Everyone will arrive to the same conclusion. However, if it calms down, our candidate needs to articulate a strong case for how we should pull our troops. It has to be detailed and convincing and clear. And he or she needs to be prepared to answer the question of whether or not we should go back in if after our withdrawal Iraq goes to hell.

by likelihood zero 2008-03-27 03:47PM | 0 recs
I don't really wanna fight no more...

I have to say I second keeping it positive.  However, I don't see it a simply a tactic for winning (though that's a good side effect to going positive).

What do we gain by sinking to the level of the Fox noise machine? Its like when Luke goes to the dark side in an attempt to beat Darth Vader, only to realize he's becoming part of what he tries to defeat.

The other day I was reading a little of Anne Coulter's hit piece about Obama's speech and Rev. Wright.  Of course, it was predictably inflammatory.  That didn't bother me.  The part that made me the most annoyed was the parroting of her talking points made in the comments section.  Everyone restated what they just heard or read like monkeys.  And they all thought they were sooo intellectual.  It was truly repulsive.

The next time I visited this blog I realized I'd been guilty of the same sort of parroting and I saw a good deal of other posts doing the same thing.  How would we be any different from that detestable right wing noise machine if we kept that up and won based on swiftboat attacks about McCain's 100 years of war and how he doesn't understand the economy.  Lets win based on having the most progressive/mainstream campaign that speaks to the most voters about what we all crucially need: peace and prosperity.

I guess it stems in part from realizing that I don't feel the violent negative energy I do about most Republicans when I think of McCain.  He's not all evil and I just don't want to be involved in a campaign where we bash the shit out of each other like we've done in this primary.  He's an okay guy, but he's at the helm of a corrupt party that doesn't speak to my ideals.

I think I'm gonna go listen to some Tina Turner, "I Don't Wanna Fight."  Maybe that should be the post-partisan anthem.

by jlars 2008-03-27 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't really wanna fight no more...

I agree with you. I feel the same about McCain. However, there are better ways to beat him without going to the "Dark Side."

by likelihood zero 2008-03-27 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't really wanna fight no more...

that is why McCranky is the most dangerous GOP candidate they could have put in the field in the GE, most Dems respect him and dont get a good anger going at him, and he is moderate this makes him very attractive to Reagan Dems....

by ginaswo 2008-03-27 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread


"The problem with McCain is that he is believable."

Now there's a poll I'd like to see.

by Kobi 2008-03-27 04:18PM | 0 recs
once these commercials come a comin

all the people who think he's "believable" go a runnin.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-27 04:52PM | 0 recs
My thoughts are the Obama Trolls have

effectively swarmed and blanketed MyDD, as they have with all of the "progressive" blogs, and at some point are going to be gone as quickly as they came.

I started coming to MyDD because it was a pleasurable respite from the frenetic howling of Obama Zealots on DU, and the mutual masterbation at Daily Kos.

Over the couple of weeks, Obamites have invaded on a hysterical mission, and now coming here is not only unpleasant, my co-worker, probably correctly advised me to stop for my own good.

And if you let the Obama zealots swarm and and harass your regulars to the point that they find blogging here is more annoyance than pleasure, they move on.

So I hope that when the new Obamites and Freepers stop getting paid by whoever puts them here, they will remain,
but I dunno.  

by Bill Keaton 2008-03-27 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: My thoughts are the Obama Trolls have

I keep seeing supporters being attacked as if they are actual surrogates of the campaigns. It's pretty foolish.

by Kobi 2008-03-27 05:14PM | 0 recs
Day of the Dove (Re: My thoughts are the Obama

I think that a lot of people on both sides are passionately, genuinely pro-Obama or pro-Hillary Clinton.

But I think that, if you look at how both candidates are running their campaigns, they aren't really being all that harsh. They bring up something slightly tough here and there, and then, suddenly, when they say something a little tough, they start a firestorm.

It's as if Obama and HRC were used to driving a car with regular steering, then suddenly got a car with an expensive power steering system. They think they're nudging their campaigns a little bit straighter, but, instead, they overshoot and end up careening from guardrail to guardrail.

One explanation could be that news organizations are simply giving this stuff more coverage than the candidates are used to.

I think another explanation is that the Republican party media operation is testing the candidates' defenses and its own "manufactured controversy distribution system" to see how well the system is working.

If you think about it, what the Tuzla controversy, the Chelsea WTC controversy and the Wright controversy have in common is that they're all small potatoes and fairly easily explained away.

Maybe the Republicans just gave those topics to interns or new PR people to see how the kids would handle them. And it turned out that the kids were pretty diligent and did a good job with them.

And, of course, maybe one way the kids got the memes out was to post on Daily Kos as over-the-top Obama supporters, or here as over-the-top Hillary Clinton supporters.

The problem with that way of thinking is that it increases the temptation to label ordinary people who are simply very passionate, or who simply disagree with the majority, as extremists or concern trolls. But, if there are new posters who are especially divisive, it could be that a few of them are stock puppets for Republican PR people.

Along the same lines: it could easily be that the Republicans have tried to figure out ways to make Obama and Hillary Clinton mad at each other. I hope that, whenever Obama and Hillary start feeling really angry at each other, they stop to think that maybe the Republicans have figured out a way to put them at odds, just as the mean creature that feeds off of hate puts the Enterprise crew and the Klingons at odds in the Star Trek episode "Day of the Dove."

Example that I have no documentation for and can't prove: I know a swing voter who says that, back in the 1980s, used to do business with an African American guy who, allegedly, was paid BY THE REPUBLICANS to go around to African American churches and promote the Jesse Jackson, to hurt the general election prospects of candidates such as Mondale and Dukakis.

I'm sure Jackson knew nothing about that and would have worked to expose it if he had. But, if that sort of thing was going on in the 1980s, it seems to me that the Republicans could still have similar sorts of operations in place today.

In the long run, the solution is to get decent Democrats who will investigate this sort of activity into office.

In the short run, I think one solution is, to the extent possible, for Democrats, at least to try with all our force of will to resist the urge to care about fake controversies.

We should "war on Christmas" frenzies and all similar frenzies.

by sclminc 2008-03-27 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Day of the Dove (Re: My thoughts are the Obama

I think most would find that those they vilify are really quite decent people.

by Kobi 2008-03-27 10:22PM | 0 recs
Do you really believe this?

So I hope that when the new Obamites and Freepers stop getting paid by whoever puts them here, they will remain, but I dunno.


Do you really believe that the Obama supporters are being paid by someone to come here?  If you do you are a tinfoil hat case.  If you don't, you are a troll.

 

by Fred in Vermont 2008-03-27 05:43PM | 0 recs
I'm a panic troll (Re: My thoughts are the O

I'm a mellow, open-minded Obama supporter who came here to try to break my Daily Kos habit, because the tone at Daily Kos is starting to freak me out.

I find that I'm posting a lot here, and still posting some at Daily Kos, in an utterly futile effort to say, "Let's all be nice! Why can't we get along?"

I think I belong to some kind of new category of accidental troll. Such as, "an overwhelming sense of dread troll," or, "I am going to be Soylent Green after all, troll."

I just desperately, desperately want all Democrats on all sides to recognize that the real enemy is Florida falling into the ocean, climate change making all of our farms unfarmable, and maybe running out of the natural gas that we use to make our fertilizer. Not a messed up Tuzla anecdote, and not Wright preaching controversial sermons.

But, of course, I might as well just post ooga booga booga booga for all the effect my posts will have.

by sclminc 2008-03-27 07:10PM | 0 recs
Arlen Spector was on
Morning Joe this am (yeah, I tune in for a few minutes occasionally) and he looked good. Of course, he has an excellent health care plan. He has a book out about his struggle with cancer. When asked to give us some pointers about what exactly he did to beat cancer, his answer was (and I am paraphrasing) "attitude, good attitude is essential." Well, I didn't wait to hear the rest of it but somehow I very much doubt he said. "Well, you understand that I have a good health plan. That is foremost. And I will be working to insure every American has as good a plan as mine." nah, I doubt he said it. And I am not optimistic - hence my continuing headaches when I read and watch MSM.
by Xanthe 2008-03-27 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

McCain......
He does not have the "shit ya" base because of immigrationand finace reform. McCain can not win on the Bush taxes work...McCain can not win on the Surge...
At some point in time McCain will have the Clinton/Obama scrutiny...and he will fail....
We are 7 years removed from "shit ya" Bush.
We are 3 years removed from "shit ya" Bush.

I truly await the McCain/Obama debates next fall..
"Who am I, why am I here?"
 

by nogo war 2008-03-27 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Does anyone have a problem with this? I am scared of what McCain could do with a quote like this, said jokingly, from our presumptive nominee. Even I am offended.

Obama today at the NYC event.

"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright," Sen. Barack Obama told a group of fundraisers in New York on Thursday, according to Mark Halperin at The Page.

by americanincanada 2008-03-27 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

yeah that comment is a disgrace and McCranky will go to town with it and frankly he should

by ginaswo 2008-03-27 07:37PM | 0 recs

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