Barack Obama Speech Thread

I have to head over to Take Back so I'll probably miss the speech but it looks like Senator Obama should be taking the stage any minute. Use this thread to follow the speech.

Update [2008-3-18 11:8:7 by Jerome Armstrong]:I figured. What Obama wants to do is pivot it back to Clinton vs Obama, and get the Republican attack on him through Wright off the table, so he's equated Wright and Ferraro multiple times in the speech. We'll see if the Clinton surrogates fall for it or rise above and ignore it.

On one end of the spectrum, we’ve heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it’s based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we’ve heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

...We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

This is pretty ugly and unfair though of Obama, to equate statements by Ferraro with Wright. Obama goes on and on about how great a person Wright is, without a single kind word about Ferraro, just rubbing it in further. I believe the campaign has reached a new low.

Otherwise, great speech.

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Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I'm sure it will be a good speech.  But no one speech is going to put away spending 20 years in such a radical church.  

by karajan72 2008-03-18 06:39AM | 0 recs
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Curiously, Drudge has the full text.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 06:58AM | 0 recs
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Not surprising.  HuffPo has it too (among other places).  

If Drudge has it, maybe the HRC camp leaked it there.  They're pals after all.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:02AM | 0 recs
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Projecting what you'd like to believe doesn't make it so.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:20AM | 0 recs
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Ahem.  Sorry, but it's widely know that the HRC camp has utilized Drudge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/pol itics/22drudge.html

by fogiv 2008-03-18 08:25AM | 0 recs
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Drudge broke the rule...?  The H3LL you say....!

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
What Ferraro said is much worse

than anything Wright said.

by cypruspoint 2008-03-18 08:13AM | 0 recs
beter than being catholic! nt/

by ksquire 2008-03-18 05:53PM | 0 recs
beter than being catholic! nt

by ksquire 2008-03-18 05:55PM | 0 recs
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You'd think he were a rock or movie star.
by zenful6219 2008-03-18 06:43AM | 0 recs
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Yes, because rock stars and movie stars always give 30 minute long speeches..?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:04AM | 0 recs
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Ever listen to Kevin Cronin of REO Speedwagon? LOL

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:12AM | 0 recs
or a talented leader. what's wrong with that?

better than being uninspiring or appealing to the lowest common denominator.

democrats used to praise this kind of thing.

by ksquire 2008-03-18 06:02PM | 0 recs
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Link to the speech.  It's pretty amazing.

by thezzyzx 2008-03-18 06:44AM | 0 recs
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I read the text, and wasn't impressed.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 06:59AM | 0 recs
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What could have impressed you?

by thezzyzx 2008-03-18 07:00AM | 0 recs
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"Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable...."

Even he knew was this speech was designed to do.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:10AM | 0 recs
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I think he was acknowledging that, regardless of what he says, some will not be satisfied with it...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:16AM | 0 recs
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In the real world, sometimes outrageous actions are simply inexcusable.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:21AM | 0 recs
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what was the action...?  

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
Omission is sometimes as bad as...

comission.  In this case, Obama's failure to distance himself from the racist hate preached to him by his friend, pastor and counselor, Rev. Wright over a 20 year period.

Where was his judgment?  Where was his desire to unite all those years?

by Shazone 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Omission is sometimes as bad as...

You obviously didn't listen to, nor read the speech.

He addressed very specifically why he stayed in the church and kept his relationship with Wright.

Very specifically and very eloquently and very logically.

Great speech.

by digdug 2008-03-18 07:37AM | 0 recs
So you're saying that he stayed....

in his church so he could convince others in the same church that Rev. Wright was wrong?

Was that how he lived his life as a uniter?

by Shazone 2008-03-18 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Omission is sometimes as bad as...

Has McCain,Bush etc., distanced themselves from segregationists? Hate mongers? No.  Yet we aren't have this conversation about anybody else.  Why is that?

by Chavez100 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
IOIYAR

I have a couple of guesses as to why that is:

1) The media does not want to have a conversation about hate mongers in the Republican Party.

2) Being a hate monger is not considered a fatal flaw in a Republican politician.

It is exactly the same dynamic that says John Edwards is a horrible hypocrite if he has a big home and cares about poor people, but John McCain can have a big home and not care about poor people. The "liberal biased" media hath decreed it.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Omission is sometimes as bad as...

okay, here is an admission...  when I was 20, my grandfather called a 50-ish year old African American man "boy"... to his face...

I did not say a word about it to my grandfather... nor did I disassociate myself with my grandfather,

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
guilt-by-association!!!

you are racist!!!

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Omission is sometimes as bad as...

OK, but by the time you were 47, would you have let it slide? Or would you at least have said "Grampa! I know you were raised that way, but it is not OK to say that kind of thing anymore!" Or would you wait until someone posted your Grampa's slur on Youtube before saying anything?

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 08:28AM | 0 recs
That's what I did with my sweet little Mama

She kept using the n-word and I'd gently chide her and she'd explain that she didn't mean anything bad by it.

One day I explained that when anyone says, "Please don't use that term talking about me.  It hurts.  I find it offensive," and you continue to do so, then you're saying you don't care what the person says they want.  Is that what you mean?  you don't care what other's say they don't want and you don't care that it hurts their feelings?  

She stopped using the term - in her 70s, she was able to change.  

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-18 09:03AM | 0 recs
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Who's actions were they?

by lockewasright 2008-03-18 07:28AM | 0 recs
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"Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not."

"The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen - is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope - the audacity to hope - for what we can and must achieve tomorrow."

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:16AM | 0 recs
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That was the part that caused me to experience major cognitive dissonance.

"The Audacity of Hope," Obama's book, was based on a sermon by Pastor Wright. It was dedicated to Pastor Wright.

Now he is saying that Wright doesn't have the audacity to hope for change?

[brain explodes]

by madamab 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
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He is saying Wright doesn't think that it has changed, not that he doesn't think it can change.  And Obama has sad that he disagrees.

I have no problem with a discussion about this speech, but let's make sure it's about this speech, not your distortion of the words in it.

by lockewasright 2008-03-18 07:31AM | 0 recs
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I quote again:

It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen - is that America can change.

This is what he said:

The country is irrevocably bound to a tragic past, according to Wright. That is a mistake, because America can change.

The Audacity of Hope - which Obama then references in the next sentence - is supposedly inspired by a sermon from Wright.

Which Wright is right?

by madamab 2008-03-18 08:05AM | 0 recs
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read your quote.  He's saying it ISN'T changing; not that it CAN'T change.  There is a difference.

Your assertion on some sort of hypocrisy or inconsistency in message is wrong.

by lockewasright 2008-03-18 08:28AM | 0 recs
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and what's more, those are Wright's words not Obama's.

by lockewasright 2008-03-18 08:32AM | 0 recs
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Probably if you just read Shakespeare you wouldn't be impressed either. A speech is delivered-not read.

by CB Todd 2008-03-18 07:01AM | 0 recs
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Ah... but according to Mr. Obama, "words matter."

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:07AM | 0 recs
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Well... given the aneurysm the blogosphere is having over Rev. Wright's words, I would say that point is being made...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:10AM | 0 recs
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Nothing can justify Rev. Wright's incendiary and hate-filled words.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:14AM | 0 recs
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Obama doesn't justify them but he does explain why Wright holds his views - and why these are limited and incorrect.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:17AM | 0 recs
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The whole purpose of his speech to a attempt (and a lame one at that) to justify his actions.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:44AM | 0 recs
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They do matter.  Even HRC acknowledged it in her speech yesterday.  

It's pretty clear that Obama's words don't matter to you, simply because you're unwilling to listen.  I believe HRC supporters are generally better than that.  

For now, the only words that DO NOT matter are the bitter little potshots you type into your keyboard.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:13AM | 0 recs
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We've listened. But it takes more than mere "words."

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:16AM | 0 recs
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What does it take for you?  Are you honestly open to being persuaded?  If you are not, then perhaps you should admit that.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:18AM | 0 recs
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I read "The Audacity of Hope" when Mr. Obama first became a candidate. He is a fine politician. He is not, in my judgment and the judgment of millions of others, ready to be President of the United States.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
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Ah, but in my judgment, and in the judgment of millions of others he is ready...

In fact, it appears, at present, that more people think he is than think he isn't...

by JDF 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
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Actually, just the opposite is true.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:51AM | 0 recs
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How do you figure?

Considering:

*States won
*Pledged Delagate lead
*Popular Vote Lead
*Endorsements
*Superdelegate (he's gained 47 since 2/5; she's lost 7)

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:58AM | 0 recs
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He's been beaten in all the largest states but his own, he's stalling out a revote of Michigan and Florida, and will be defeated in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, among other states.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 10:39AM | 0 recs
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Oh, right.  The "large" state thing.  Tell me, what exactly is the cutoff between  a large and small state?

Nevermind.  I already know your answer:  Any state that HRC wins is a BIG state.  All others are "small" and don't matter.  States like SC, MO, VA, WI, MN, and TX (where he won more delegates).

Oh, and before you go into the goofy "electability" argument, explain how ANY dem candidate will lose CA, NY, NJ, and MA.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 11:50AM | 0 recs
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Oh, and one more thing:

Obama may well lose PA, WV, and KY but he'll add to his delegate lead.  I notice you're not mentioning OR, IN, and NC.  Any predictions for those states?

MI and FL?  Please, where was HRC's outrage over the poor disenfranchised voters when her campaign thought it would all be over by Super Tuesday?

by fogiv 2008-03-18 12:00PM | 0 recs
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Sure you have.  Which is why you're going with HRC, right?  On account of her "35 years of experience"?

My father was a high school teacher for 33 years and my mother has been a registered nurse for about 30.  My girlfiend has worked for an electrical contractor for the last 4 years.

By extension, I have 67 years experience providing health care education to electricians.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:32AM | 0 recs
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Uh no - because you didn't actually DO something related to those professions, whereas HRC actually, you know, DID things like work for children's issues and healthcare issues, and work with leaders of foreign countries, and oh yeah, ADVISED THE PRESIDENT.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
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Uh no - because you didn't actually DO something related to those professions, whereas HRC actually, you know, DID things like work for children's issues and healthcare issues, and work with leaders of foreign countries, and oh yeah, ADVISED THE PRESIDENT.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
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Oh right, she helped the refugees in Macednoia.  Which cabinet posts will Sinbad and Sheryl Crow hold in her administration?

Oh wait, peace in Ireland.  Ooops, turns out that's ALSO a MAJOR exaggeration.

Tell me, how long did HRC work for the Children's Defense before filling out her W-4 for WalMart?

Remind me:  how did all that healthcare work she did as first lady turn out?

Look, my point is that HRC has greatly exxagerated her "experience".  It's a campaign, all politicians do it to some extent.  I see it when Obama does it, and am thus baffled when a great many HRC supporters fail to see it when she does it.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:55AM | 0 recs
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67 years?  there is no logic to that.  did you go try to at least hand out the books to children when you dad taught?  did you help administrate the medicine when your mother distribute them? If you were actively involved in their work, I think you should take some credit. But i think you did not, you were probably not even walking at the beginning of your parents' career.  Your point is completely flawed. Hillary has actively worked in everything she listed. She registered voters, worked for children's defense fund, worked in relation to Nixon's impeachment, set up legal aid clinic for the poor...  She didn't list her experience living with her parents, volunteering in high school and college. I believe she would have been great (maybe greater) even if she didn't marry Bill.  It is completely unfair when people assume that she just takes credits from her husband.

by observer11 2008-03-18 08:01AM | 0 recs
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Actually, my little experience rant was hyperbolic to make a point.  Not intended to be "logical" in a "cogency" sense.

That being said, I lived with my parents for eighteen years.  I have also worked as both a teacher's aid and an EMT.  Once, I even rewired the stereo in my car.

Do these experiences qualify me to serve as an electrician, pysician, or professional educator?

Again, for those in the cheap seats, my point is that we should be smart enough to recognize exaggeration when we see it, whether it's from Clinton, Obama, or me.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 08:20AM | 0 recs
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You do realize that she has chosen public service/law as her career and she counted her experience within the field after she graduated from law school and had already decided on her career.  If you always fixed all the cars in your family since you were 15 and indeed became a certified mechanic (note she was certified first), I 'd say your car-fixing experience counts.  I would be very happy to hire you to take care of your car because of your long time experience; but if you do it as an on and off hobby, I will not be so sure.

I don't understand how Obama's experience as a community organizer counts while her experience would be considered exaggerated.  I think their experiences are both valid, but hers is longer and more extensive.

by observer11 2008-03-18 09:54AM | 0 recs
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Sigh.  My point remains that exaggerion ought to be noticed for what it is --- regardless where it comes from.

I respect you opinion that her experience is valid, longer, and/or more extensive.  I disagree, but am glad to know you don't just swallow talking points whole.  :)

by fogiv 2008-03-18 10:01AM | 0 recs
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:)

I don't listen to talking points - I don't even have a TV. I decided to support Hillary after a long process of comparison and analysis. I said it before; I was a big supporter for Obama since 2004 his speech at the DNC, but I have changed my mind since the end of last year.  I used to have the same dismissive attitude towards Hillary , but the more I know about her the more admire her.  She is currently my favorite person in politics, period.

by observer11 2008-03-18 10:09AM | 0 recs
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Agree to disagree then, my fellow Dem.

I'm not dismissive of Hillary, I just like Obama better overall.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 10:23AM | 0 recs
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to be fair, shakespeare was a mccain man.  now the woman who actually wrote the plays, whom shakespeare stole them from, seemed like a hillary supporter.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-03-18 07:11AM | 0 recs
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I only read the speech. And was impressed as all hell. Very honest.

by accidentalwonk 2008-03-18 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: This speech will go down in history

I think anyone who was not impressed by that speech is either profoundly ignorant or deeply cynical.

I have been a student of politics and rhetoric my entire life.  I believe that Obama's speech was one of the most profound and important speeches of our lifetime.  He is a powerful moral teacher.  He validated the the concerns and resentments of all Americans around this most sensitive of subjects, and called us to be better.  He explained himself and the logic of his campaign.  

Anyone who was "not impressed" is blinded by their own resentments or their own political agenda. Anyone who has argued that Obama is not substantive just got an enormous sweeping dose of substance.

Mark my words, this speech will go down in history as a turning point in this race and a turning point in the history of race relations in this country.

by upper left 2008-03-18 08:03AM | 0 recs
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> I think anyone who was not impressed by that speech is either profoundly ignorant or deeply cynical.

You are trying to browbeat and insult people into accepting Obama's message of inclusiveness? That approach does not strike you as counterproductive?

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 08:39AM | 0 recs
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No, I was commenting about the motives that shape people's perceptions.  

I honestly think that anyone who came to this speech with an open heart and an honest mind could not help but be moved.  This was an insightful explanation of the racial divide and a powerful moral call to do better.

Are you saying that you were not impressed?  I have heard many question Obama's "substance."  That was a sweeping and substantive statement.  If you know of a better description of the racial divide in this country, please point it out to me.  If you know of a more powerful call to overcome these divisions since MLK assassination, I want to know where.  

by upper left 2008-03-18 09:14AM | 0 recs
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is it being streamed anywhere?

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-18 06:45AM | 0 recs
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Yes, on cnn.com

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 06:46AM | 0 recs
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link?

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-18 06:48AM | 0 recs
by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:09AM | 0 recs
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That's just it. It's not a radical church. And saying it  is doesn't make it so. There is still a HUGE blow back yet to come on this matter. Today,'s speech is just the first step. The MSM is not  leading on this matter- they are merely following.

This is the beginning of the end of generational view of racial politics in this country.

Barack Obama will be seen as visionary leader when this is done.

by CB Todd 2008-03-18 06:46AM | 0 recs
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I'm still trying to figure out (watching MSNBC right now) how Pat Buchanan is a consultant on anything that requires a modicum of sensitivity...  I remember his hate-filled speech in 1992....

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 06:54AM | 0 recs
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What did Buchanan say in that hate filled speech?
Was he a prez candidate then?
by annefrank 2008-03-18 07:03AM | 0 recs
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it was the 1992 convention...  he had lost the nomination to GHW Bush...

Here's a link to it...  if you dare...

http://www.buchanan.org/pa-92-0817-rnc.h tml

I remember watching it at the time and thinking, wow, this guy hates Democrats more than he loves America...  It was considered a tipping point in the Presidential election...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:06AM | 0 recs
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You seriously don't remember him basically equating Hillary to the devil in '92?

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
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She may not.  I'm at seminary now with most of my classmates having been born as late as 1995.

The 1992 convention was almost 26 years ago.  

what I well remember is virtually unknown...

Those things that happened just before I was born - say Dr. King and Bobby Kennedy being killed 40 years ago - is ancient history to them.

and yet issues of 40, 60, 100 and more years ago are still festering.

which is kind of what this conversation Obama is trying to steer us to is about...

by its simple IF you ignore the complexity 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
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16. Not 26.

Don't DO that to me. Shivver.

by Lettuce 2008-03-18 07:36AM | 0 recs
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1992 was 16 years ago, not 26.

Your fellow seminarians are 13 years old?

Not saying you wouldn't remember the remarks; I was born in 1975 and I don't remember his '92 speech.  Just wanted to clarify the timetables.

by Dracomicron 2008-03-18 07:41AM | 0 recs
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Sometimes it not because of "youth" that people don't remember events - it's age.
LOL

And I'm in that category.

by annefrank 2008-03-18 01:53PM | 0 recs
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Regardless of whether or not you support Obama, and whether or not you think he was right or wrong to attend the church, it's a great speech for this country.  Hopefully it will live on Youtube in a way that it won't on the talking heads shows...

by thewrath 2008-03-18 06:47AM | 0 recs
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It's a mediocre speech at best, and a screed at worst.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:00AM | 0 recs
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A screed?  Why do you say that?  I hear no anger, no lashing out at others.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:03AM | 0 recs
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I hear a lot of pretty lame excuses for outrageous and inexcusable behavior.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
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True.  Pretty much every time Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson speak.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
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Care to explain why?

I think you're close-minded at best, and idiotic at worst.

by fogiv 2008-03-18 07:05AM | 0 recs
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Mediocre, sure, that's your right.  Where's the screed?  Give us some examples so I can figure out where you stand!

by thewrath 2008-03-18 07:07AM | 0 recs
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he stands firmly in a world that Obama can do NO right and Hillary can do NO wrong.

by JDF 2008-03-18 07:36AM | 0 recs
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I'm going to guess that if Abraham Lincoln was running against Hillary Clinton you would have said the same thing about the Gettysburg Address....

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:12AM | 0 recs
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LOL!

That was your speech Abe? Itwas mediocre! It was screedy! It was ... short ... I loved it!

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 08:12AM | 0 recs
mediocre political speech?

I guess you have been living in an entirely different universe for the past 40 years.

by d 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
No it wasn't great.

I thought it started off very strong but then ended very partisan.  I thought he began to distance himself from Wright but then he became an apologist for him.  Then Obama put the blame on greedy corporations, lobbyists, NAFTA, and outsourcing.  For all the difficulties caused by those things, they are not the reason for Jeremiah Wright's claim that the U.S. government created AIDS to kill black people. At that point Obama simply pandered to the base making a scapegoat out of lobbyists and corporations even though it has nothing to do with it.  Cheap pandering is what it was.

by dMarx 2008-03-18 09:01AM | 0 recs
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here we go.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-03-18 06:54AM | 0 recs
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Good camera cut there CNN.  Why they switched cameras to an empty podium is beyond me.

by thezzyzx 2008-03-18 06:56AM | 0 recs
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I just read the text of the speech over on Huffington Post and I think it's an excellent one.  After reading it, I feel pretty much the same way that I felt before the Wright controversy broke--that Obama would be a great choice for vice-president and, with a few more years of experience behind him, an outstanding president.

by markjay 2008-03-18 07:03AM | 0 recs
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OK thank you.  I'm glad that some Hillary supporters can see why he has an appeal to us.  And, in the spirit of sharing, I don't think everyone on Hillary's campaign is evil incarnate.  Wolfson did an admirable job defending Kos (while acknowledging that Hillary always got a lot of flack there) on O'Reilly.

by thewrath 2008-03-18 07:06AM | 0 recs
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He did...?  I missed that....

I don't mind Wolfson so much...  Penn, on the other hand, makes me want to rip my own ears off....

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
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Penn stinks, yes.  And Wolfson isn't my favourite guy.... but here's the link to him on O'Reilly.  This is something all of us need to watch as we gird ourselves against McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5hT1fZyb Y4

by thewrath 2008-03-18 07:19AM | 0 recs
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thanks!

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:25AM | 0 recs
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rambling obtuse beginning...not hearing anything YET that will turn this major, very possibly FATAL stumble around ....

but still listening

by buzzzed 2008-03-18 07:04AM | 0 recs
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Personally I loved the way he started it by placing what occurs now in the context of the American story, our shared American history.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Personally, I thought the vision was myopic. All we hear about is the struggle of slavery.... and not a peep about the oppression of women and denying their right to vote.

Intentional? Better believe it.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

The struggle of women, while very relevant, is not relevant TO THIS SPEECH. So yes it was intentional. He intentionally stayed on topic.

by JDF 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Interesting tactic to talk about groups who have been oppressed, and ignore half the US population.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

It is relevant if he's going to bring up Ferraro's comments.

by gooderservice 2008-03-18 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He defended her and brought them up in terms of racial division in this country. He brought them up of another example of WHY we need to discuss this problem.

by JDF 2008-03-19 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Um... did you hear the speech itself? Plenty about the shared experience, and having a black leader talking calmly and understandingly of lower-middle class race concerns is historic.

Can you even a little-bit see past your support for Hillary at what an intriguing historical moment this is? And how unprecidented?

by Lettuce 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I would say that equating the struggles of minorities in this country with the struggles of women (have to assume white women, as women of color have both racism and sexism to contend with), but to equate these two things so broadly is itself myopic.

In fact I have said that.  

Or is hitting a glass ceiling or being denied a promotion or equal pay for equal work somehow worse than being lynched?

The existence of sexism in this country in 2007 is a discussion worth having, but framing it against racism in such a a way strips the argument of its validity.

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

And HE DID Talk about the struggles of women among the struggles all Americans face. And women make up 1/2 the Blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, and white he talked about as well.

It's getting silly now, guys.

by Lettuce 2008-03-18 07:49AM | 0 recs
5 months ago

the MSM would have been all over how great this speach is... today, i dont know if thats the case. The MSM wants this story to continue because of ratings.

Live by the media, die by the media.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-18 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

El Finito, Obama

by karajan72 2008-03-18 07:05AM | 0 recs
there, there

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:08AM | 0 recs
its odd

CNN's headline is "Obama: Constitution stained by 'sin of Slavery'"

i dont think thats the headline he wanted

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-18 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: its odd

"Obama urges Americans to reject "racial stalemate.""

This is what it says now.

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: its odd

I think the MSM already has a narrative, so they will pull anything out of the speech that fits it..

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I missed the first part.  Did he say he has or has not been there for the more inflammatory statements?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:06AM | 0 recs
He has

He admitted it after denying for a week.  It's going to be bad, this flip-flop.

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: He has

That was my biggest thing.. don't say you didn't know if you did.  Just buck up and deal with it.  Same with the Rezko stuff.  I would rather that he would just be honest about his shortcomings and let everyone accept him as a human being.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: He has

He has said this before. If you didn't hear it, you weren't listening.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: He has

No, he said he was not present.  Maybe he was parsing and meant he wasn't there for the comments we have seen so far.  Ok, so that is kind of skirting the issue.  But whatever.  I don't hold Rev. Wright against Obama.  I would have actually prefered that he told everyone to stay out of his religious life.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: He has

He has consistently said that he was there for controversial statements, but he has never said he was there for the particular statements we've seen on the clips.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: He has

No he didn't.  He said he knew he Wright had views he disagreed with... but that the the inflammatory remarks were especially uncalled for.

by thewrath 2008-03-18 07:11AM | 0 recs
Read... This is from his speech:

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed. "

If that doesn't mean he was there for you, ok but the majority of America is not buying it.  Hardly no one believes that he sat there for 20 years and didn't hear some nasty stuff very similar to what was on those tapes.

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
Thank you for citing the speech.

Finally, someone adds more than negation and bald conclusions.

That should settle it.

But it probably won't.

by Misanthrope2 2008-03-18 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

This is a speech with many ideas, not a simplistic speech. I have no doubt that some will pull pieces out to make their point without giving credit to other points that provide context.

Let's see how intellectually honest people will be in discussing the speech.  Will you commit to discussing it in full? Or will you take a sentence out of context and pretend that is all there is?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread
Looks like Jerome Armstrong FLUNKED this test.
by xtrarich 2008-03-18 09:49AM | 0 recs
i'm 'officially stunned'

The text is great, just great. The delivery however is awful. There won't be any campaign ads out of this speech..

Maybe he isn't such a great speaker without a cheering crowd.

by eumc 2008-03-18 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: i'm 'officially stunned'

It's not that kind of speech.  It's not a speech meant to inspire cheers.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: i'm 'officially stunned'

Just wait for the evening news, pundits will decide what the speech is about

by eumc 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: i'm 'officially stunned'

I agree - the delivery is mediocre at best.

The sound-bites from this speech may not be that favorable to Obama - he is not apologizing for anything.  Once again, what we know of Wright is just "a caricature".  

Also, supposedly all of us have priests, rabbis, and ministers with whom we strongly disagree, yet still remain members in their congregations.  Maybe in some cases, this is true.  But I think this is hardly the norm.  Most people can and do seek out churches and religious groups that are more amenable to their belief system.

by mikes101 2008-03-18 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: i'm 'officially stunned'

I'm a heretic, so you can guess how often I disagree...

I think it is more normal to get challenged by a religious leader....

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
He won't disavow Jeremiah Wright?

WTF?  Actually a pretty bad speech Jerome.

He threw Ferraro under the bus but stood up for his pastor.  Furthermore he admitted that he did listen to some of the controversial statements in person.

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: He won't disavow Jeremiah Wright?

I was being sarcastic.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-03-18 07:12AM | 0 recs
Oops

Thanks for clarifying that Jerome.

Anyway, some will think it's a great speech simply because he is supposed to give great speeches.  But this one seemed way different... like the spark was gone.  (bad microphone perhaps)

The most troubling part was that he is not putting Jeremiah Wright behind him.  He's going down with the ship.  That's the decision that might cost him the nomination.

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Oops

If he had rejected him you would have rallied about how disloyal he was to the man that married him to his wife and baptized his children.

Live by the hate, die by the hate.

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:20AM | 0 recs
Not me

If he had rejected him, that would have been the right thing to do as an American who is trying to unite the country and become the President for all people.

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Not me

President Clinton didn't disavow his scuzzy half brother...

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Not me

OK, that is so not fair. You don't pick your relatives, but you can certainly pick which church to attend.

I'm sure you can come up with a parallel more fair than that. Try again.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Oops

How could he put Wright behind him, exactly? There is no way to do that.  He had to discuss this.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Oops

agreed....

This is a no-win for some people...  it depends whose side you are on, I suppose...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Oops

might cost him the nomination

Too late for that.  Now let's see whether he can deliver in this crisis to win the presidency.

by Brian Watkins 2008-03-18 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: He won't disavow Jeremiah Wright?

Jerome,

You are a very intelligent blogger -- but can you step away from your Clinton preferences to hear the history in this speech? It was a discussion of race that any -- EVERY -- progressive dreams of hearing! If nothing else, a mature vision of America's racial issues is a needed rarity in this country.

I know you heard "Wright-Ferrarro" but he was explaining why Ferrarro's comments, while not so shocking to you or me, was VERY painful for members of the African-American community. Think of the inspiration that even those who DONT support Obama feel at seeing an African American and a Woman running for president. Think what this means to all the kids witnessing this moment.

For Ferrarro to downplay that as a racial boon was more than inarticulate, it was a slap in the face. Wright's comments are not all that different in the long run. You may disagree, but Obama was making a very clear and mature point on that.

In fact, the whole speech was mature and grownup at a time where the discourse is lacking maturity.

That you would dismiss with sarcasm is not the kind of analysis I've expected from you or this site. The archives show you to be better than that.

Please come back to this and give a real analysis of the full content...

by Lettuce 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Does anyone elase find Obama toned-done in his delivery?  I am missing the other Obama.  And I also thought he didn't know about Wright's speeches.  Why does he now?  I am nervous this is equating to the Romney/Mormon speech.

by mashews 2008-03-18 07:12AM | 0 recs
its not a rally.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He needs the delivery to be toned down. He has to make this speech but he doesn't want to be remembered for it.

If the clips are boring we will see as few of them as possible. The story will be, or at least he is trying to make it, "Obama gives speech on racial unity, puts Pastor problems behind him."

I don't know if it will work, but this is his best chance to make it work.

by JDF 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He just dissed G. Ferraro - this after we all know he himself expressed the same analysis of himself on his own Senate page.

This guy is a dangerous liar.

.

by InkSlayer 2008-03-18 07:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

You say he's dangerous, Ferraro says he's lucky to be black.

Got it, thanks for the input.

by 1jpb 2008-03-18 07:22AM | 0 recs
Obama on Ferraro

Have you seen this from the News Hour interview yesterday?  I don't think this is consistent with your characterization of Obama on Ferraro.

MS. IFILL: You have also cast this as a generational distinction of the sort of things that Reverend Wright said being the baggage of a fiercely intelligent African-American man of his generation and Geraldine Ferraro's as well. When does one person's baggage become another person's memory/history?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, you know, look, there's a continuum. But I think that, you know, when you look at somebody like a Reverend Wright who grew up in the '50s or '60s, his experience of race in this country is very different than mine in the same way that Geraldine's experience being an intelligent, ambitious woman, you know, is very different than a young woman who's coming up today and potentially has a different set of opportunities.

Now, we benefit from that past. We benefit from the difficult battles that were taken place. But I'm not sure that we benefit from continuing to perpetuate the anger and the bitterness that I think, at this point, serves to divide rather than bring us together. And that's part of what this campaign has been about, is to say, let's acknowledge a difficult history, but let's move forward in a practical way to get things done.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
What a way to talk about your grandma, Obama

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: What a way to talk about your grandma, Obama

Way to entirely miss the point, diplomatic.

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:37AM | 0 recs
Lets face it,

nothing will convice a LOT of you folks. You want to see Obama under the bus at any cost.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Lets face it,

Your comment seems so middle-schoolish - teen to parent - "You won't let me stay out until 2 in the morning because you don't want me to have any friends!"  The "whole world is against me" mentality.

This seems to be the hate-filled mantra encouraged by Obama's campaign from the gitgo - blame the Clintons for Obama's failures.

Why don't you ask yourself WHY Obama has failed to "unite the country" or even Democrats during the primary?

by annefrank 2008-03-18 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Lets face it,

So, it's Obama's fault you hate him? It's his fault you can't hear his speech through that loathing?

Regardless, you're being silly. Be less silly.

by Lettuce 2008-03-18 07:52AM | 0 recs
CNN headline not too flattering...

Obama's former pastor is 'like family to me'

by Andre Walker 2008-03-18 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: CNN headline not too flattering...

Actually, I think that is a good tactic. It is easy to get forgiven for one's crazy relatives. It is disingenuous though, as Obama chose to attend Wright's church and associate himself with Wright. He was not born into the parish, or even into the UCC. His parents were atheists, as far as I have been able to find out.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I would feel better about what he really understands and knows if he also addressed the vicious sexism, misogyny and agism directed at Hillary Clinton (and her female representatives/supporters) by so very very many of his supporters, including Rev. Wright.

That he is happy to benefit from that sexism continues to be very disappointing. That he did not condemn that aspect of Wright's vitriol toward Hillary is telling.

As a recovering ex-southern baptist white progressive southerner, I don't know that he's winning over the white voters that he needs to win, or whose fears he needs to allay -- so far it sounds more like the perceived 'excuse-making' and whiny victimization that moderates, independents and certainly conservatives have little or no tolerance for.

I'm not saying that's what he's doing, I'm saying that is what it will sound like to people who perceive it like that....I don't think it's a winning strategy to do this part...it simply serves to  reinforces fears and prejudices...

but still listening ...

by buzzzed 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Good speech.

by Socks The Cat 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Looking more like Romney's Mormon speech...

by proudtobeliberal 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
I am sure NOTHING

will please you, short of him dropping out.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Ok, so this speech is for his AA constituency more than anything.  He doesn't want to anger them by rejecting the statements of Rev Wright without an explanation.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Well, Obama can't just let Ferraro go can he?  There's a bad move - the high road, which is what I hear people so often describe his campaign as, must have been blocked off today.  Haven't we learned anything yet this election cycle?  Nobody likes being called a racist and instead of diffusing Ferraro, he's only giving credibility to her argument to those who support her.

Granted, I didn't like the Ferraro comment, but I definitely don't think she's racist and would never even go so far as to even speculate on that.  This doesn't seem to be bringing the conversation back to good, ol' Clinton vs. Obama, where I just wanted it to go back too.

by ejintx 2008-03-18 07:16AM | 0 recs
He had to talk about it...

It was a week-long racial blow-up in the middle of the campaign. How could it not be part of the discussion now?

by Purplepeople 2008-03-18 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: He had to talk about it...

Granted, it would need to be juggled very carefully, but I think he could discuss Ferraro in a light that does not compare Wright to her.  It's one thing to diffuse her and another to attack her - it's simply a matter of carefully selected rhetoric that would state something to the effect of "Ferraro's comments come at a time when race has obviously been injected into this race, but I would disagree with her basic assertion that I'm here because I am black, etc."

by ejintx 2008-03-18 07:57AM | 0 recs
Fair enough

I didn't see it as an attack on Ferraro, personally. I felt he was more using the Ferraro and Wright flaps to open the discussion of where we are on race in this country at this point. This is a conversation that can't help but make a lot of people uncomfortable.

I did like that he explicitly talked about how pouncing on the latest gaffe by a Hillary supporter is not helping us get to where we need to be as a country.

by Purplepeople 2008-03-18 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

The text is great but the delivery is bad?  Obama can't win - either he's accused of being a great orator who seduces everyone like a pied piper or he is accused of not being special enough to make a difference.

by CB Todd 2008-03-18 07:17AM | 0 recs
is not it cool

its a nifty, you are damned if you do and damned if you do not.

Kinda like, if your everyday voter does not participate in the election process he is apathetic, but if he does, he is a cult member.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

This is a very sincere, very honest speech.  It may turn out to be TOO good and hurt Obama because he is speaking so frankly about race.  But this speech just made our country a better place, I know that for sure.

by JK47 2008-03-18 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

That is a sound annalysis.  Very brave stuff from Obama.  Candid.  Open and worthy.

Not exactly "I have a dream", but given the context and froum...it isas aggos as anythin I've ssen in quite some time.

He HAd to be somewhat subdued here.  Given the seriousnees.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I don't want to see him under the bus but after this week and with Wright being as toxic as he is I don't want to see Ferraro under the bus or Barack's grandmother under the bus.

This speech was a bad idea and it will not help.

by americanincanada 2008-03-18 07:19AM | 0 recs
like I said NOTHING will please some people

short of Obama quiting. You just want himj out period, regardless of anything.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: like I said NOTHING will please some people

Yeah, seriously. I can understand not liking the speech itself, but saying that giving a speech was the wrong way to go? What, short of just dropping out, was the RIGHT way to go? And don't say dropping out, because that's just stupid at this phase.

by vcalzone 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Clinton herself disavowed Ferraro's comments (or "threw her under the bus").  Perhaps you should address your concerns to her.

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread


This is from Obama's Senate webpage - the media needs to call him on this!

"We have a certain script in our politics, and one of the scripts for black politicians is that for them to be authentically black they have to somehow offend white people," Obama said in an interview. "And then if he puts a multiracial coalition together, he must somehow be compromising the efforts of the African-American community.
"To use a street term," he added, "we flipped the script."
In winning the Democratic Senate primary in Illinois, Obama drew as many as two white votes for every black one, showing nearly unprecedented crossover appeal for a black candidate in a statewide race.
Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"

by InkSlayer 2008-03-18 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Ok, so why was Ferraro wrong for saying the same thing he says about himself?  Because she is a white woman?  Is this kind of like it's ok to use the N word if you are black?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Because the Obama campaign played the race card again and hope no one would notice their hypocrisy.

Ferraro was no more denigrating Obama than she was woman when she said she benefitted from not being a man.

by InkSlayer 2008-03-18 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Where did you find that statement on his Senate page?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Never mind, I found it.

http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when _it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Or, the black community was genuinely offended by Ferraro's statements.  But the way things are laid out at MyDD, it's as if the black community doesn't feel anything unless it's told to them by the Obama campaign.

by shalca 2008-03-18 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Obama is proving he can change the tone of the MSM with a single speech - this will be a historic speech in race relations in America - But here and now the only people that will continue to bash Wright will be O'Riely, Hannity, and the who-cares conservatives

by CardBoard 2008-03-18 07:20AM | 0 recs
I can not wait till folks

here start quoting Pat Buchana, O'Reilly, and newsmax here again.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Clinton supporters:

Since Obama didn't totally kiss Hillary's ass, his speech is terrible.

by JK47 2008-03-18 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

That should be in quotation marks.

This is a great speech.  This should stanch the bleeding enough to allow Obama to put Hillary away.  

by JK47 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

That is ridiculous.  This has nothing to do with Hillary.  Nice try though.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

That's not really the point.

Serious, committed Hillary Clinton supporters do not want to listen to or believe Barack Obama. They're going to hear it through a filter of dislike for Obama.

This speech was not and could not have been aimed at them, nor at right-wingers who also are not going to want to listen or believe.

This was aimed at the people who have been swayed. This was aimed at anyone who changed their response in a poll, at anyone who is undecided, at anyone who's interesting in listening and being swayed.

It was a home run of a speech.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 08:09AM | 0 recs
KEY PASSAGE:
"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.
Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."
by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:22AM | 0 recs
considered contreversion

does not actually mean the particular comments were reported.

Also...what the hell do you expect a pastor to be? Non-controversial? Saying everything is good, lalalal, go home, change nothing?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: KEY PASSAGE:

Uh, "controversial" doesn't equal the quotes in the tapes.  I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know that (though desperately fishing for something smear-worthy in the text of the speech).

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: KEY PASSAGE:

Where I disagree with this, as I said above, is the assumption that most of us remain affiliated with groups with which we strongly disagree.  I know I don't, and I don't think most Americans do.  Even the Catholics I know - if they are liberal - there are more liberal Catholic churches around town where the sermons and focus are not as conservative as in others.  They actually welcome gays, minorities, etc - and their sermons are more "left wing".

So, I really don't buy that most people do not actively seek out religious groups that are fairly consistent with their own belief system.

by mikes101 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: KEY PASSAGE:

But you're missing something: what if you go to a church that is consistent with your beliefs, but the pastor sometimes goes overboard in the sermons (and you don't happen to catch the most incendiary of those sermons)?

Your model is predicated on the assumption that the type of sermons revealed in the tapes are those which Obama sat through during the majority of his time affiliated with that church.

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: KEY PASSAGE:

Well count me VERY skeptical that someone who has been a member of the church for 20 years, been married by the pastor, etc. has never sat through an incendiary sermon, or did not understand the pastor's ideology.  He even admits as much - see the initial quote in this thread.

Whether the sermons were "incendiary a majority of the time" is to me irrelevant.  An "anti-gay" church does not give anti-gay sermons a majority of the time.  But people still know what that church represents.  Gay people still would not feel comfortable there.

I really don't think playing the "naive card" is going to work for Obama.

by mikes101 2008-03-18 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: KEY PASSAGE:

If he's that "naive" doesn't that mean we should question his "judgment"?

by cmugirl90 2008-03-18 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: KEY PASSAGE:

Well, that may be the case for you, but its certainly not for me. I have belonged to the same church since the day I was born, my name is childlishly scrawled on the charter when it was rebuilt in 1982. I love my pastor. He's an incredibly caring man who remembers details of my life even if he doesn't see me in months and bought me film for my camera when he heard I was interested in photography in high school. The speeches I have heard there, particularly the ones focusing on the book of Matthew and on a Christian obligation to ease poverty, are at the cornerstone of my progressive belief system.

He also thinks condoms increase the rate of pregnancy, that abortion is murder, and that while we should never ever ever judge someone for being gay, at the end of the day, if you don't repudiate that lifestyle, you WILL go to hell.

I don't agree with that. But that top paragraph is more important to me.

I feel like Obama's first encounters with Wright, the audacity of hope speech and what not, are at the cornerstone of what he believes, much like the sheep and the goats parable is the cornerstone of what I believe. Maybe its cafeteria religion, but you don't walk away from the person who teaches you that lesson and gives you that moment of religious realization. You just don't.

by accidentalwonk 2008-03-18 08:05AM | 0 recs
I came in skeptical.

But he knocked this one out of the park.

This reinforces that Obama can communicate most effectively when he can speak in paragraphs instead of sentences.

by Ramo 2008-03-18 07:22AM | 0 recs
Why didn't he leave Ferraro alone?

White female vote going down the tubes.  Book it.

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Why didn't he leave Ferraro alone?

I agree - he just said "our sister's keeper"  But I guess Ferraro isn't his sister.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
I know tons of women

who did not vote for Hillary before Ferraro comments, and do not care for Ferraro comments either. Noone I know has changed their opinion yet.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Why didn't he leave Ferraro alone?

Yep. Turning on Ferraro is a stupid mistake. This is a desperate man, pleading for his candidacy...

by DemAC 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Why didn't he leave Ferraro alone?

Turning on Ferraro is a mistake?

Nah. The truth of the matter is this. Ferraro was irrelevant until she made those boneheaded comments and will be irrelevant again in two months.

It might change a few minds, but not enough to make any huge difference in the election.... the bigger issue for Obama is if he can put this controversy behind him.  

by JDF 2008-03-18 07:48AM | 0 recs
again

he said that people misjudged both of them based only on the small bit they know about them He was defending Ferraro.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Why didn't he leave Ferraro alone?

I agree. It's over.

by cc 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
its been said, NOTHING will please

you folks. You just want him out period. It woudl nto matter what he said or not said.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: its been said, NOTHING will please

Seriously...

Don't worry... it doesn't matter what he said here.  People here don't care.

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Why didn't he leave Ferraro alone?

White males too.

by buzzzed 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He never looked into the camera. That tells me he can't look into the people's eyes and say this speech. I hear nothing new in his speech and it falls into just another fancy speech.

by Harshbarger 2008-03-18 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

You know how teleprompters work right?

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Yes, I do, but not once did he look straight into the camera. Not even a glance..

by Harshbarger 2008-03-18 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

You aren't supposed to look directly in the camera.  He is giving a speech to people in the audience, not the camera.

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Jeez.  Now it's bad that he has eye contact with the audience?  This is a pretty ridiculous charge.

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I guess koolaide makes you hear the speech differently. I wanted to hear him rise above it all not lecture people and bring up Ferraro again and again.

Ferraro and Wright are not even close to being the same.

by americanincanada 2008-03-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He mentioned Ferrraro's name in the speech once and that was only to defend her.

by TMP 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Shut up with your fucking facts.  Obama is the devil and this will sink his campaign.

by ficus1 2008-03-18 08:17AM | 0 recs
this must be some of that mythical civility that

is so lacking at the DailyKos accodrding to Allegre!

by TMP 2008-03-18 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

this is very much like how a sermon at church is set up.
 and this is important considering the nature of this situation.

he is essentially laying out a direct response and counter-sermon to wrights sermon
 i have listened to a good many sermons and this is the best one i have heard.

by theninjagoddess 2008-03-18 07:25AM | 0 recs
The Speech was Great...

...but I'm not at all sure it will help him move past this issue.  Candidly, I think he made a decision here  to honestly discuss the issue rather than simply savaging a man he clearly does legitimately care about.  Personally, I respect that, but I think that approach will likely have political ramifications.  We'll see I suppose.  

by HSTruman 2008-03-18 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Geraldine Ferraro equated with Rev. Wright.

I could spit.

by cc 2008-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Let's be fair, though - you know nothing about Wright's career other than what you've seen on the tapes that have been aired over the past few days.  Meanwhile, Ferraro's been built up as a patron saint of the Democratic Party (depite hibernating in the political wilderness for two decades) and Wright has been portrayed as some dangerous radical out to destroy race relations in the United States (without putting his comments in the context of his life's work).

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

"Geraldine Ferraro equated with Rev. Wright."

This angered me also.

I appreciated the speech, cringed at several points where I could see his statements being taken out of context to slam him with later, when he said he would not dissociate himself from Wright, and considers him a friend. I don't think it will do for him what it needed to do.

I am looking at this more from the viewpoint of how it will hurt the entire Democratic Party and progressive/liberal movement. How badly this reflects at this point will be more how it hurts us all, not just Barack Obama.

I heard he was up all night working on this speech, that may be why his delivery was low key - sheer fatigue.

After the speech Ed Rendell refused to say anything negative about Barack Obama, instead praised him twice for the CNN reporter, quite lavishly. Rendell is an ardent Clinton supporter. He took the high road, refused to pile on.

by 07rescue 2008-03-18 08:04AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, me too. He should have left her out of it.

Plus, if Ferraro's interviews were accurate, the Obama campaign took a quote from her in a small California newspaper and sent it all over the place to the media to make a huge deal out of it, when it would have not attracted that attention otherwise.  They caused the firestorm.

by daria g 2008-03-18 08:32AM | 0 recs
Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

Jerome, I think he was actually defending Ferraro a bit here.  He's saying that both Wright and Ferraro are misjudged, and I'm not sure why that's necessarily a bad thing.

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

He is, they are hearing what they want though.  The sycophants are out in force.

by kasjogren 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
And Jerome knows it.

I mean, really - how could anyone read that speech and believe that he was condemning Ferraro.  You might as well conclude that he was condemning his own grandmother, to whom he attributes similar sentiments.

Honestly, when I read Obama's speech, and I read the responses to it from Clinton's supporters here, I can only guess that they are either so hardened against Obama that they can't see the fundamental truth of it, or they have lived such insular, unexamined lives that they cannot understand it.

by Drew 2008-03-18 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

See cc's comment above, the equivalence is way out of line. Ferraro has no such history of hateful statements.

by souvarine 2008-03-18 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

I don't sense that they're necessarily "equivalent" if he's saying that they're both "misjudged".

Besides, a lot of people actually find Ferraro's comments to be worse than his pastor's.  This is far from a cut and dry issue, and I don't see what's so wrong with saying "Both are wrong, but both have been misjudged too."

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

I'm sure many Obama supporters think Ferraro saying

If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position, And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

was worse than anything Rev. Wright has said. From this speech Obama appears to agree. He also suggests in this speech that many of us have heard remarks as hateful as Wright's from our "pastors, priests, or rabbis."

This is where Obama and his supporters are wrong. He cannot distinguish between the hateful nature of Rev. Wright's remarks and the challenging or even offensive remarks from Ferraro or our own spiritual leaders. There are certainly other religious leaders who can be as hate-filled as Rev. Wright is in some of these sermons, but most Americans choose not to follow them.

by souvarine 2008-03-18 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

And therein lies the issue:

"This is where Obama and his supporters are wrong. "

You just proved my point... there are lots of people who absolutely feel differently, and that "Obama and his supporters are not wrong."

Personally, I don't agree with everything Wright says, and find his rhetoric way too needlessly harsh.  You know what he didn't do though (at least, what's not causing all the waves right now)?  He didn't deliberately try and undermine Clinton's candidacy by saying that she's "lucky" to be a woman, or something to that effect.  In other words, Obama is being associated with someone who just says crazy things, while Clinton is being associated with someone who's attacking, or at least undermining, her opponent based on his race on her behalf.  What's worse?

Apparently, that depends on who you're supporting.

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me or did you misunderstand?

Listen to the video of Rev. Wright's sermon again, he is most definitely saying that Clinton is in the running "just" because she is rich, white and privileged.

The Obama campaign has, from the start, claimed that Clinton's only claim to the presidency is that she is Bill Clinton's wife, just because she is a woman who was lucky to be married to a president.

Yes, no question the Obama campaign has been much worse and has used sexism to undermine Clinton's campaign consistently and with the support of the press. They compound it by obscuring any criticism of Obama with charges of racism.  

The Clinton campaign has never charged that Obama's only claim to the presidency is his race, not even Ferraro made that claim. Ferraro did point out that being a black man running against a woman in the Democratic primary gives him certain advantages, one of which is blindness to the pervasive sexism of the media.

by souvarine 2008-03-18 09:51AM | 0 recs
Rather Than Bashing This Speech

Through Partisan Eyes step back and look at what is going on... This is one of the great speeches in American Racial History... The first Black Candidate's first speech on Race... Students will be reading this for years.  I mean, this is bigger than just this election, it is a historical moment too

by CardBoard 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
Gimme a break

You think Geraldine Ferraro was the only instance of anyone remotely connected with Team Clinton making the argument that Obama was only winning because of "blacks and white guilt"?

Have you even been reading your own site?

Good lord, Jerome.  You're really through the looking glass.

by zonk 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Gimme a break

That's not what Ferraro said.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-18 07:31AM | 0 recs
And Jerome clearly

is INTENTIONALLY misconstruing what Obama said.

See those 3 little dots?

They're called an ellipse.  Normally, ellipses are used in place of text unnecessary to the general point.  A more nefarious use, though, is to intentionally change the meaning of a passage to suit one's own opinion.

Jerome's bit of hackery here -- and I don't care if it is his house, that's naked hackery -- does the latter.

Here's what's missing from the portions Jerome cuts out.  It's nakedly apparent that he didn't want to listen - he just wanted to score a point.

Here's Jerome's clever snip job unappended...

Does it still read the same way Jerome portrayed it?


On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap.  On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.  

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy.  For some, nagging questions remain.  Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy?  Of course.  Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church?  Yes.  Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views?  Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.  

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial.  They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice.  Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough.  Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask?  Why not join another church?  And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man.  The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.  He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters....And in that single note - hope! - I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones.  Those stories - of survival, and freedom, and hope - became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world.  Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish - and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity.  Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger.  Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor.  They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear.  The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright.  As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me.  He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children.  Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect.  He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.  I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me.  And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable.  I can assure you it is not.  I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork.  We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

by zonk 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: And Jerome clearly

On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap.  On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.  

Obama compares what Wright ACTUALLY says to what people SAY Ferraro said.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-18 10:31AM | 0 recs
Geez

Now having read the whole speech - you CLEARLY heard exactly what you want to hear.

Obama equates Ferraro with Wright after spending 5 whole paragraphs explaining the contradictions of America and how dreadful inaccurate such quickie condemnations truly are.

He's not equating Ferraro to Wright to denigrate her -- he's equating Wright to Ferraro for exactly the opposite reason.

Geez... Jerome, I find it hard to believe you either read or listened to the speech at all.

You seem to have gotten the text, done a few word searches -- then proclaimed you "AH-HA!!!" moment.

But don't worry.... some day, your grandchildren will be learning this speech in school just like we now learn the Gettsburg address, Washington's farewell, FDR's day of infamy (and many others), Ike's farewell, etc.

Then -- when they ask you who Geraldine Ferraro was -- you can tell them all about how it was this poor woman that Barack Obama hatefully compared to a man he clearly has a lot of love and respect for.

by zonk 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
*sigh*

It its obvious nothing Obama would say or do woudl convince you people. You want him out of the race no matter what.

So...ya waiting for Greta analysis on this?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:29AM | 0 recs
tell ya what
I'll drop it just so we can be civil.
(I guess I shoudl not judge a person but a remark or two).
by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Oh, and I think Jerome's take on the speech is pretty strange.  Focusing on an allusion to Ferraro -- given the content of the rest of the speech -- strikes me as very odd.  Especially given that his point was, essentially, that no one is their worst moment.    

Clinton derangement syndrome definitely exists.  Some of my fellow Obama supporters have, sadly, acquired it.  I'm beginning to fear that Obama derangement sydrome is now spreading as well.  Which is equally sad.  

by HSTruman 2008-03-18 07:30AM | 0 recs
Obama Speech Thread

The speech was brillant- he condemned Rev. Wright w/o reservations several times and involved Ferraro once and only as a comparison on how to deal with special matters. Jerome's take is too narrow- the totality of the speech invokes a growing culture with warts and all- he is a true American.

by RAULC 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Speech Thread

I agree, but I don't know how it will play with the general public.  He might have been too honest, although I admire him for it.

by HSTruman 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
Strange?

I'd say downright dishonest and disgusting.

He completely cherrypicked a passage to make his now-usual craven political point.

Obama had just spent 5 paragraphs talking about how the caricature of Wright is wrong-headed and dishonest.  He compared Ferraro to Wright NOT to bash her -- but to point out the fundamental flaw in the quick judgment and condemnation.

He clearly has a lot of respect and love for Wright, despite vociferous disagreement with the clip of what Wright said.... and it's an insult that he compared Ferraro to someone he obviously places in such high regard?

Gimme a break.

There is none so deaf as he who will not hear.

by zonk 2008-03-18 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Yeah, he's throwing both Granma and Geraldine Ferraro under the bus to save his own @$$. That's the healing uniter in action. Cute. Really cute.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 07:30AM | 0 recs
Did Obama just drag

Did Obama just drag Hillary into the Wright mess?  This has got to be a dumb move.  The Clinton camp has been completely silent over the Wright issue and now he's personally getting involved, trying to drag the Ferraro thing back in?

I can't help but think this is a dumb mistake, because it makes it permissable for the Clinton team to actually go after him on teh Wright thing now.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-18 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Why would he even bring up Geraldine Ferraro?  What a low blow.  Obama's in the gutter now.

by karajan72 2008-03-18 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Oh, I dunno.. maybe because in a speech about "race" it's appropriate to talk about recent comments that were made about... his race?

Talk about rocket science!

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Oh, you mean the comments he both condemns and agrees with.

Quoted from his Senate webpage:

"Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"

by InkSlayer 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Well, believe what you want to believe, but Ferraro's comments went just a bit further than saying that he was getting good book deals because he is the sole black Senator in the US right now.

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 07:59AM | 0 recs
oh dear god

he is saying both wright and ferraro has been judged unfairly.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: oh dear god

But Ferraro was truly judged unfairly.

Whether Wright has been judged unfairly is open to debate.  But to compare the two is in itself a dishonest comparison.  Also comparing Wright with his own Grandmother, etc.  These comparisons are meant to make Wright just "another nice guy who says some crazy things".  I still don't think that explanation is going to fly with the vast majority of Americans.

by mikes101 2008-03-18 07:42AM | 0 recs
I see

you never met the man, yet you judge decades of his preaching based on fews news clips?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I agree...he has done nothing for race relations in his life and therefore it all rings false. He is no MLK...

by americanincanada 2008-03-18 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

"Wright, Ferraro, Wright, Ferarro, Wright..."

"Wright is the incarnation of Jesus Christ."

Ferarro? Crickets.

A new low for Obama's campaign.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

To be honest, I did not hear Wright as the incarnation of anything...

I heard two references either to or alluding to Ms. Ferraro...  not numerous...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Wright was continually praised, and numerous excuses were made for his outrageous behavior. Obama's lame attempt to equate Wright's hate-filled actions with Ferraro's was beyond contempt.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Your comments all over this thread are deeply offensive.

by upper left 2008-03-18 08:41AM | 0 recs
Great Speech.

I think it is safe to say that FOX & Rush will be the only outlets not talking about how Obama has reframed this debate and is a demonstrating actual LEADERSHIP on this issue ...an issue that is fundaqmental to our experiences.

Great stuff.  I expect Hillary's people will congratulate him, and let it be.

You can't attack this speech and not look like an absolute fool.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 07:33AM | 0 recs
thats not true

I am sure teh MyDD outlet will also not be talking about that.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:37AM | 0 recs
not compares!!!

listen to what he said.

He is saying both have been judged unfairly.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Speech.

I'm just curious... Given the circumstances surrounding the speech, and the lead-up to it... how does he have a speech about "race" that doesn't address Ferraro somehow?  And to be honest, I think he is more than fair in his assessment, saying that she's been misjudged (you could say, defending her).

It's clear that just that a lot of you seem to be wired to go nuts just at the mere mention of her name, though.

by leshrac55 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Speech.

TD.... Obama said BOTH have been judged harshly and unfairly.  How is that an attack?  

He clearly is to race what Al Gore is to climate change with this speech, in terms of articulating the context of race in our culture and politics.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Speech.

What could he have said? If he left Ferraro's name out, you'd have accused him of being omissive. If he said that Ferraro's comments WEREN'T racially divisive (which they were, even if not on par with Wright), then he'd appear a complete hypocrite.

by vcalzone 2008-03-18 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

"I believe the campaign has reached a new low."

Well, if you can walk away from this speech with that impression then I think things are only going to get uglier from here.  The cynicism strikes me as shocking, but nothing I'm sure compared with what's to come.

by hz 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
No convert here, but then

I don't think Obama was reaching for me, or even has to.

All he's got to do is hold the present coalition together to win the ...... Democratic Party nomination.

And I think he's given a great speech to do that.

However, he HAS to bring in more people to win the GE .... more speeches to come no doubt.  Maybe then.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-18 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

This was a classic speech.  The pundits are going to be swooning.  

by JK47 2008-03-18 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Some.

Some will pull snippets out and try to cast it as negative.  Like his mentioning Geraldine Ferrarro once?  Or twice?  They'll use that to decry the impact of the overall speech.

If you read the speech from an independent minded perspective, it's overall positive.  Political partisans will spin it.  But undecided people, and people who were liking Obama but turned off by Wright's comments, I think will react positively to it.

by digdug 2008-03-18 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Obama Nailed it. I'm a independent. But the guy is amazing. Just amazing.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I don't get it, Obama equated Ferraro and Wright and then defended both by suggesting that their persons can not be easily dismissed on the basis of isolated comments and that their views on race must be understood in a fuller and broader context.  How does this qualify as "throwing her under the bus"?

by Ryan Anderson 2008-03-18 07:39AM | 0 recs
no

that qualifies as neither should be judged on the basis of isolated comments. That both ave been misjudged.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: no

Exactly.  I thought it was very gracious.  Frankly, it made me embarrassed that I had been so quick to get angry at Clinton over the Ferraro mess.  Obama was pushing back against his own most fervent supporters today and Jerome acts as though he burnt Ferraro in effigy.

by Ryan Anderson 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: no

You can judge the strength of a person's delusions by how adamantly they ignore the obvious.  It applies very well to many of the anti-Obama posters on this site.

by ficus1 2008-03-18 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Here's the speech in a nutshell:

I choose to make a hate filled anti-white Reverend a family member.

Also I lied about not knowing about his Hate speech.

by InkSlayer 2008-03-18 07:39AM | 0 recs
yup...

thats the take away. Lets face no matter how good the speech was you do not care. You just want to brign him down no matter what.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:41AM | 0 recs
Kindthoughts?

by Garret 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
hmmm

yes?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: yup...

just wondering how many times you've made this comment in this thread??

by jentwisl 2008-03-18 08:06AM | 0 recs
a few.

mainly as a response to comments about how the speech does not matter, who cares and blah, blah.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread
This was an ok speech but not something that will "change the way we look at race in this country", that is a ridiculous statement to make by even the most devoted Obama supporter. This wasn't some speech meant to heal old wounds or help the country turn a corner, this was a self-serving speech by a politician who needs to put out a fire that could cost him the presidency.
If he cared about dealing with race he would have a had speech like this back in February when the issue was red hot, that would have shown that Obama was really the transformative candidate that he claims to be. This was about saving his ass, nothing more or less which is evidenced by him passive agressively trying to tie Ferraro (and Clinton by association) into this Wright firestorm.
by big poppa smurf 2008-03-18 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

no way.  He couldn't have given this speech in February.  He was on a major roll, and it would have been seen as CREATING an issue where none existed.  

NOW, since he has earned the mantle of Front-Runner and likely noiminee, he has doen exactly as he should have.  Served up a tasty ladel of "shutty" to the FOXs and Hannitys of the world, and re-setting himself as the transformative caniddate the punditry knows him to be.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread
The issue existed back then, it was the lead story for all of the MSM shows. The big question was "Are the Clintons racists?".
The only reason why Obama said nothing of substance back then is because he was benefiting from it.
If he were half the unity and change figure that he has claimed to be he would have done something to snuff the growing flame then.
by big poppa smurf 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Racism didn't exist as an issue until the past week? Oy vey!

by Mayor McCheese 2008-03-18 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

The issue was "red hot" in February, and it's not now?

Really?

Because I went through pretty much all of February and saw a few little sparks of race-baiting and such, but that's about all.

Race has been absolutely everywhere for the last week or so.

Maybe I missed the giant red-hot explosion of race in February. Care to remind me?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

It was hot enough to completely turn the black vote against Hillary and paint Bill Clinton as a racist. That would satisfy my criteria for a hot story.

by big poppa smurf 2008-03-18 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

While I never lost faith in the man or his campaign, that speech really reinforced why I support Obama so strongly. Whether it will stop the bleeding remains to be seen, but that was one of the most honest and brave speeches I have heard (read) from a politician in a long time.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Brave??  Obama is trying to save his a**!

Bravery would have been denouncing his wife and Oprah for declaring blacks should vote for THE ONE. The Black One.

OTOH - John Edwards told voters NOT to vote for him if it was on the basis of race or gender.

by annefrank 2008-03-18 07:50AM | 0 recs
Delivery...

I expect Randy Jackson to pop out ans say "Well, dog...it was kinda pitchy...but I loved it".

Seriously...Obama, given the context and content HAD to be somewhat more subdued ...it's not like he can whip up a crowd here...he'd rightyl be accused of innappropritely addign drama to a very complex problem in our culture.

Fineman MUST have gotten an advance copy.  Obama hit every benchmenrks that Fineman required for pity's sake.  I suppose that is possible, right? Fine getting the advance that is?

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 07:40AM | 0 recs
Can Clinton supporters hear

another truth?

by Garret 2008-03-18 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Anyone who thinks he equated Ferraro and Wright clearly heard a different speech than I did.

He mentioned Ferraro once in the speech. One time. I'm not sure where Jerome saw "multiple times", because it didn't happen.

And the context of the remarks were that he could have simply rejected and denounced and moved on, as has been done with Ferraro's comments, and he's not going to do that.

I simply can't find anything in those remarks that "equates" the two, much less "multiple times".

Amazing speech. Nearly impossible to attack, and covered everything he needed to cover.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
Just once did he mention Ferrarro

Check the text of the speech.

Also, it was NOT in a negative way. Obama's point was that you can't understand or demean someone just because they say something that sounds outrageous. That is a lazy tactic for addressing the problem of race in this country.

by faithfull 2008-03-18 07:58AM | 0 recs
This speech not directed towards MyDD crowd

I agree with one of the commentators on CNN who said it wasn't directed to the people who are looking for a reason to dislike Obama. It's for reasonable people on the fence.

by highgrade 2008-03-18 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: This speech not directed towards MyDD crowd

Absolutely, and it shows why his team is so good.  The real racists, they're never going to vote for him.  He's appealing to decent people, low-information voters who may like him but who have heard negative things over the past week or so.  

by JK47 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: This speech not directed towards MyDD crowd

Absolutely. Right-wingers and hardcore Clinton supporters were not the audience, and will be looking for ways to discount it. They're not predisposed to like or trust him.

Independents, Moderates, Democrats who haven't chosen a candidate yet, Obama supporters who were worried, those where the audience.

And with that audience he hit a home run. It remains to be seen if it was a grand slam.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 08:02AM | 0 recs
Backhanded insults like this

are not valid arguments and are one reason so many people dislike Obama supporters.

I think DD readers are mostly reasonable people and are not racists, as posited by a subsequent post following this one.

Many of Obama's supporters are his worst enemies, much like the racist reverend.

by Misanthrope2 2008-03-18 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Backhanded insults like this

I don't believe it is an issue of racists being on mydd as much as it's about people with an irrational hatred towards obama, and the notion that the nomination is owed to hillary.

by highgrade 2008-03-18 08:09PM | 0 recs
Honest words

It impressed me that he was not trying to put the former-pastor-stories behind the campaign, but to fully discuss them and their roots in American history.  He didn't sell out the pastor for political expediency, but acknowledged the nuances in life whereby people can be led astray in their statements without being bad people in their life's work.  It was refreshing to me to hear him talk about the racial problems that exist today and not express soothing words that may have better appealed to demographics groups needed to win the upcoming primaries.  Quintessentially Obama.

by Mr DC 2008-03-18 07:46AM | 0 recs
update by Jerome

Since this speech didn't declare Hillary Clinton to be the supreme candidate that ends all candidates it sucks.

Dude, you must have bought the economy pack of Haterade.

by neutron 2008-03-18 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

It's pathetic that here on a progressive blog, this speech is being panned.

Objectively look at the text. The man has said what we all should believe about race relations in the United States.

I can't speak to the delivery - I'm at work and wasn't able to hear the speech. But from the prepared remarks, he's hit it dead on.

by amiches 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Why hasn't he Obama been speaking about race in this manner throughout his campaign?

As an African-American candidate for the Presidency, he should have been honestly speaking about race in America from the beginning. He should have been addressing the difficulties and challenges that come with being a person of color with national stature. Instead, he has swung back and forth from lauding his mixed-race background to decrying his opponents as racist, every time they even say the words "black" or "white."

Had he been honest about these issues from day one, I don't think the Wright videos would have made that much of a difference. He could have just said, "See how angry we can get? This is a legitimate part of the African-American experience. However, as I've been saying all along, we don't fight racism with anger..." etc. etc. etc.

Sorry, I don't think he has a chance now. I've been hoping for a dual ticket for a while, but I think I've given up. :-(

by madamab 2008-03-18 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Why is it  up to the Black candidate to talk about race issues? Clinton has a race and lives in America  and is running to represent us all. Shouldnt she be out front on this too?

by TMP 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
Because Obama waits until the time is ripe

In case you haven't noticed, it is the hallmark of his entire campaign.

by paul minot 2008-03-18 08:04AM | 0 recs
Thanks Jerome

I believe the campaign has reached a new low.

Otherwise, great speech

So, except for all those words he didn't say, it was awesome?

by faithfull 2008-03-18 07:48AM | 0 recs
Ridiculous

Only a shill like Armstrong could nitpick an otherwise outstanding speech through the lens of a Clinton apologist by highlighting one statement that included Ferraro. What a complete joke. Armstrong is once again on the rampage, throwing against the wall any argument to try to bring down Obama. Please stop. Armstrong has no idea how much credibility he has lost with those not tied to the Clinton machine.

OBAMA08

by Lawdawg 2008-03-18 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He mentioned Ferraro once, I think.  And in the overall context of NOT judging, and accepting or rejecting entirely, a person solely by isolated remarks.

It's very disengenuous to use that as the sole example of the entire speech.  And then to misrepresent what was actually being said in reference to Ferraro.

"These people are part of me, and they are part of America."

Stop spinning.

by digdug 2008-03-18 07:48AM | 0 recs
Ferraro is mentioned only once

That's correct, I checked the transcript.  He mentioned Ferraro only once:

"We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias."

The structure of the statement makes clear that he rejects both implications: he rejects the notion that Wright is a crank or a demagogue, and he rejects the notion that Ferraro harbors deep-seated racial bias.

But evidently on this site, Wright must be acknowledged to be a monster and Ferraro must be praised as a saint, so it's a massive insult to refer to both in the same sentence, and a libel against Ferraro's good name.

by Joe Buck 2008-03-18 08:01AM | 0 recs
Not race - judgment

Well, that was a nice speech about race. The question however on Rev. Wright however still lingers. As with Rezko it's not about race, it never was, it's about JUDGMENT.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 07:48AM | 0 recs
do you have

republican friends at all?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Rethugs

If Republicans abandon Obama because of race - so what? They were bound to abandon him sooner or later anyway. They only like him as their anti-Hillary, there is no love lost on him for being him.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
but do yo have republican friends?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 08:01AM | 0 recs
Why do you ask?

What have my friends got to do with Obama's speech and his lack of judgment?

I can assure you that none of my friends know Obama.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 08:06AM | 0 recs
because if

you do have republican friends who voted for Bush, and if I use guild-by-association, I could totally accuse you of being friends with people who are responsible for Bush, Cheney, Iraq war. And when you defend yourself I can say, well you choose to associate with them. You can say well they are really mroe then just that, you do not know them, to which I'll respond, who cares I'll judge them on the few bits I know about them.

Now I would not actually do that. But do you see the  slippery slope?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 08:09AM | 0 recs
You're welcome to it

If one of them says all that Rev. Wright said, as he is my chosen pastor of 20 years, marrying me to my spouse, inspiring me to my bestseller book, blessing the mansion that Rezko bought for me, giving me all kinds of moral and spiritual guidance - heck, it's no slippery slope; you're entitled to question my judgment. In that case - it's all on me.

The question is neither about race nor friends - it's about Obama's judgment.

And at this point it seems like Obama's judgment sucks.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 08:17AM | 0 recs
woah, woah, woah

do not worry about Wright. He is not your friend. You do not have a personal connection to him,

But see you do have a personal connection to your friends. So if I were to blame you for their missgivings, you WOULD defend them.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: woah, woah, woah

But a lot of us do worry about Rev. Wright and Obama's judgment. That's the whole deal, see.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 08:59AM | 0 recs
I like how

you avoid the question.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Not race - judgment
Judgment?  
What about Norman Hsu?  It amazes how the media distorts Obama's position on Rezko, but does nothing to discuss Hsu, earmarks, tax returns and donors to the great WJC's library.  
And you talk about ... judgment?  
This is a guy who raised OVER 1 MILLION dollars for the Clinton campaign.  You certainly hear Wolfson and clown posse talking about  Rezko, you never hear Axelrod talk about Hsu.  
Who is slinging mud again?  
by stryan 2008-03-18 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Not race - judgment

"Obama's position on Rezko"

Obama's got a "position" on Rezko, other than being his friend, taking his advice and services?

by DemAC 2008-03-18 07:59AM | 0 recs
Sigh

Why should we expect any different reaction from the Bashatron 2000?

There is none so deaf as he that will not hear.

by zonk 2008-03-18 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Sigh

And there is no one so blind as he who will not understand. Racial prejudice and racism - that's Obama's answer to anything. Everything in this campaign he has turned into a question of race.

However, race is not the issue here, Obama's judgment is.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Sigh

Apparently, you didn't read the speech.

But that's OK.

Your grandchildren and great-grandchildren will explain it to you, when years from now, it's taught in US History like the Gettysburg address and address and such.

Then, you can lecture them about 'kids today'.

by zonk 2008-03-18 08:11AM | 0 recs
Yeah... riiight...

Meanwhile, here on earth, Obama's judgment is still in question.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 08:19AM | 0 recs
Believe what you want to believe

Vote how you want to vote.

Dismiss how you want to dismiss.

It's not getting you any further than the second place you've gotten to date.

by zonk 2008-03-18 09:29AM | 0 recs
I've got a second place?

Sweet! Will I receive a silver medal then?

Meanwhile, despite a long winded speech Sen. Obama did nothing to help anyone understand why he embraced Rev. Moonbat for twenty years, only to condemn said reverend's views when politically expedient.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: I've got a second place?

Well, you seem deadset on making sure you remain too simple to read a speech that dared be more than monosyllabic cliche-driven pap...

So we're done.

by zonk 2008-03-18 09:54AM | 0 recs
Isn't it just lovely to be condescending...
As jayatl points out:
Obama: "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes"

He not only now has changed his story again that he was in the pews when such words were asked on the networks... furthermore he specifically told Major Garret on Fox that if he heard such statements in the church, he would have QUIT! The church.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 10:02AM | 0 recs
Yeah

I noticed you're handing out TRs in that posters barely literate screed.

Why doesn't it surprise me that you'd be using that crap to back yourself up.

Yeah... and Larry Craig is TOTALLY straight.  Ted Haggard told me so.

by zonk 2008-03-18 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah

Yes, somehow I fail to see the beauty of Charles Manson in a political discussion, albeit a badly spelled one. But, hey, if Mr. Manson represents hopiness and changeiness to you, don't let me get in your way.

by DemAC 2008-03-18 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Lame speech.

It is over.

Clinton will win.

by gotalife 2008-03-18 07:49AM | 0 recs
I see

so either you did nto listen to it. Or you know nothing he said or done would convince you, because you want your candidate to WIN no matter what.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Uprated to counter unjustified troll rating by "a gunslinger."

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I'm a Independent. Who is a independent no more. From now on I will support Barack Obama.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Thank You, LN!!

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 08:02AM | 0 recs
Great Tactic

Obama turned what is usually a 24-hour-news-cycle "GOTCHA!" into a substantive discussion on race, the constitution, the founding fathers intent, the history of increasing democracy in this country, and the transendence of American racial divisions which mark both his campaign and the history of our country.

I am proud to support Senator Obama, and his speech today reminds me exactly why.

by faithfull 2008-03-18 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I don't think this did anything to actually help Obama.

Now we have more questions than answers.

by njsketch 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Imagine Billary trying to give such an important speech at such an important time and you will come to understand why should would make a lousy president.  You have to be able to lift this country up with words; she is just not an eloquent speaker; in short, she is no Bill Clinton.

by PittsburghPete 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Your reference to the Clintons is offensive.

by annefrank 2008-03-18 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Your use of the offensive name "Billary" disgusts me.  Take your repulsive name calling and stuff it up your pompous nose.

by democrat voter 2008-03-18 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Just to elaborate, here's what "Billary" is code for:
Hillary is not even an individual, not even one whole person, but half a person.  And not even the first half.  She is an appendage to her husband.  And a joke.  

And to your second shallow point, I do not think the country needs to be lifted up with eloquent words read from a teleprompter.  It needs to be lifted up by committed action, and the savvy experience to actually effect change and not just sloganize it.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-18 09:39AM | 0 recs
Big Win for Obama

Sorry HRC fans, but Obama is getting a tongue-bath from CNN and MSNBC both.  Actually, as I type this, MSNBC has gone all-wingnut, with Scarborough and Buchanan taking the reins... Still, a big net plus for Obama, no doubt.

This was easily the best speech of the entire campaign.  

by JK47 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Gosh.  I thought it was a brilliant speech.

What do I know?

by Steve M 2008-03-18 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

I would just like to add, for those who think the speech bashed Ferraro: do you know how to read?  He said that the unflattering statements about both Wright and Ferraro were unfair.  The point was that even if they had both (or either) made regrettable comments, that did not speak to their true beliefs.  The excerpt quoted in this diary says as much.    

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

That's correct!

Jerome Armstrong's views become quickly warped on anything he perceives as being faintly critical of the Clinton campaign. He should take a deep breath before indulging in his polemics

by mobiusein 2008-03-18 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

This is Marc Ambinders Reaction-

Personal Reflections On Obama's Speech
18 Mar 2008 11:41 am
Y'all don't read this blog for my personal reflections on political developments, so I tend to refrain from writing about them.
I do think that Obama's speech was a marvel of contemporary political rhetoric. Politically, analytically and emotively, it hit many high notes. His acknowledgment of white working class resentments (busing) and about the perception that there's been no racial progress, his willingness to stick by his friends, his grasp of history, his sense that our views of race are cramped and caricatured... all of that is something that even those who disagree with the substance of his speech, can, I think, appreciate.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread
Why is he giving a speech explicitly about race when he is trying to run a post-racial campaign 'unity' campaign? My head is exploding ...
by ColoradoGuy 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Are you seriously that obtuse, or have you been in a coma for the past news cycle?

by rfahey22 2008-03-18 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread
The shallowness of this response in comparison to the depth of the speech says it all.
That is why Jerome is an obscure blogger and Barrack Obama will be a great President.
by hebi 2008-03-18 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Speech

God DAMN America!!

by karajan72 2008-03-18 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

The government lied when it created the HIV virus to genocide people of color. Governments LIE!  God DAMN America!

by karajan72 2008-03-18 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Again... he said that to judge HER was unfair...how can you possiblty spin THAT as an attack.  I think you WANT to believe it was an attack so as to continue to rationalize your despite for him.

He DEFENDED GF.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Obama is still actually defending this preacher?  Good God.....this is so over.

by karajan72 2008-03-18 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He doesn't defend what Wright said.  I can never tell if people hear don't understand what Obama said or if they choose to misrepresent what he said.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread
Misrepresent. Which isn't _entirely_ fair -- we all see things through our own filters. But to be honest, I think Obama's supporters would have been the most angry and critical if this speech hadn't been absolutely solid. It was. Anyone who heard it as either a defense of Wright, or even _about_ Wright, wasn't actually listening to the speech, but only what they wanted to hear.
by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

> Obama's supporters would have been the most angry and critical if this speech hadn't been absolutely solid.

You really think so? That would astonish me, frankly. I have yet to see more than a handful of Obama's supporters be critical of anything Obama or his campaign says or does. The man poops rainbows, as far as I can tell by reports from his supporters.

Some Hillary supporters have similar blinders, but a much larger portion, myself included, see her with warts and all, and are willing to criticise when she and her campaign make mistakes.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

You're right... it's over.

Obama's won.

Time to move on.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Obama never mentioned HRC or McCain once. The eyes of America was on Obama this time and he used it to introduce himself again. Perfect.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He reminded us all, thyat despite the pettiness of the politcal season, real deep issues need to be dealt with in our nation, and as such...reminded us of why he IS a transformative candidate.

I hope he is protected well today.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

A Jujitsu speech.

Wright got the focus on obama & O' just flipped it out of the park

by wrb 2008-03-18 08:02AM | 0 recs
Only two sports analogies in two whole sentences?

You can do better than that! How about:

"It was a Hail Mary pass for Obama, and he scored a knockout punch with this slam-dunk speech!"

;-)

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

The Page: Speech gets road-blocked cable news coverage. Largely positive instant reaction from cable pundits/anchors/reporters.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-18 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Ace in the hole. This speech should go in the history books. This candidacy should (and will) go in the history books. This was one of the most "presidential" speeches I have ever heard a candidate give in my life, if not THE most. It challenges every American to be better, from top-down and bottom-up. He didn't dance around issues as most politicians and people in the public light do. If you didn't feel challenged to be a better American after listening to this speech, you were not paying attention.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

....or didn't WANT to pay attention.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 08:06AM | 0 recs
I think it was no accident that the Rev

.... Wright debacle came to the fore at this particular time.

WHO decided it was time?  Many say ... "oooo bad Clintons did this!"   I have no way of knowing.

I DO think it was quite exquisite timing for the Wright speeches to blare across the country RIGHT AFTER the Ferraro "speeches."

BY THE WAY, I was informed by an Obama supporter that the Ferraro statement was orchestrated BY the Clintons to make race an issue and to further divide the country along racial lines.

I have no way of KNOWING the Clinton campaign insider information and I realized long ago that I do not have the ability to read minds.  Others have yet to come to this opinion.

I DO know this - "Fairy Tale" was when this person started hearing about race in the race - and I was supposed to be convinced that Fairy Tale was a racial slur.  Not.  And I ain't no Bill Clinton fan, nor Hillary fan for that matter either.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-18 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

This is simply the most pathetic post that I have read in this election cycle, and the one that worries me most about the fall.  I have honestly not yet decided which of these candidates offers Democrats the best opportunity to reclaim the White House: both have great strengths and both have great weaknesses.

But when one of our candidates for president offers a speech as powerful and far-reaching as this, and the leader of a purported Democratic-Progressive website such as this can find nothing to specifically comment on but a veiled reference to Geraldine Ferraro; when others can simply dismiss it as "lame"; when all we can ask is whether it hurt him or help him with respect to Hillary; then we've already lost, regardless of what happens in Pennsylvania--or in November.  Any of us who value Progressive ideals should be able to acknowledge that this was a great, bold, and meaningful speech, such that we have not heard from a politician in far too long.  That does not mean that Obama is the best candidate for president, just that what he said here is remarkable.  That any Democrat or Progressive, even one who believes in Hillary, cannot concede this point is disingenous and sad.  I hope that we as a party can heal ourselves before November, but these self-inflicted wounds are obviously deep.

by apukara 2008-03-18 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Yes Obama give a great speech.  but voting for him is not the same thing as voting for Clinton.  The difference is that Clinton offers the policies and programs that we democrats want to see.  Also voting for Obama does not equate with voting for a woman, it just doesn't offer the same things and Obama is not offering the same when it comes to universal health care or skill when it comes to the economy, or frankly even on woman' issues, women are just expected to sit down, go to the back of the bus, once again, to iron the shirts of men, in other words just more of the same.  They don't count, their concerns are not important, black folks have it so bad whereas, white women are pampered, privileged, taken for granted.

by democrat voter 2008-03-18 08:23AM | 0 recs
Shocking

I am shocked... shocked!  That Jerome is trying to engineer criticism of Obama.  That type of slant is so unlike him.

Also, black is white.

by PantsB 2008-03-18 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Yes this was a good speech, except that he did not  really adequately talk about the white resentment that is out there, instead he says it is some how justified but not caused by the AA communities obvious hatred toward white people but by some "system" that is against them.  Sure, and then he dismisses the woman's plight by one sentence where he mentions the glass ceiling.  That is the same ceiling that he himself is trying to keep over Clinton's head with his own candidacy.

He dismisses the very thing that Ferrero was talking about and instead once again makes it all about Obama himself.  Ferrero's resentment is about woman's position in this society.  Not about Obama personally either, but about his standing in the way of the possibility of Clinton possibly being president.  He still doesn't understand that frustration and in fact dismisses it as worth less than his own struggle.  There are 10% AA in this country, whereas there are a majority of women.  Still he is so blind he doesn't even realize what that woman's resentment is all about.  It has little to even do with Obama, but the man is so full of his own ego, he thinks every thing is always all about him.

by democrat voter 2008-03-18 08:07AM | 0 recs
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He didn't dismiss it, he made it clear that he cares about that two. Two candidates are trying to break a glass ceiling in this election. One of them won't. That's the nature of an election. I didn't hear him saying anything dismissive, nor in any way saying that his struggle is more important than her struggle. Anyone who would react to it in such a way is, I'm sorry, part of the problem. If your view of the world is that this is only about ego and someone getting in the way of your favorite candidate, than you're part of the problem. I understand that Ferraro shares the anger that you have over the glass ceiling, and share the feeling that their dream is being blocked. That's fine. But Obama is not blocking your dream, or Ferraro's dream, because he's black. Or because he's male. Or because he's a bad guy. He's blocking your dream because a whole lot of people happen to think he's a better choice for President, and he does too. And the reasons he thinks that, and we think that, have nothing to do with race or color. This was a speech about racism, not sexism. A speech about sexism might be a great thing; this wasn't it. His comment about the glass ceiling was intended to be inclusive, not exclusive. Any reasonable reading of it would conclude that.
by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-18 08:15AM | 0 recs
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I hope you don't believe in 'AA communities obvious hatred toward white people'.  I think he addressed in the speech that there are some in the AA community that have been defeated by the burden of their experiences and the hatred that they express is partially a result of that, however that is a small proportion of the AA community.  

As for speaking to the struggles of women, I agree that he happens to be standing in the way of a woman becoming President next year, but I didn't hear him dismissing the plight of women in the speech.  I look forward to Hillary giving a speech about the plight of women, as I conceed she would be better qualified to do so than Obama.

by Mr DC 2008-03-18 08:39AM | 0 recs
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Jerome- a 45 minute speech about powerful racial issue in this country, and this is the comment that you can muster. Its funny when Obama's supporters are accused of having their head in the sand. Whats more head in the sand than your comment?

by AHunch 2008-03-18 08:14AM | 0 recs
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This proves that he is fantastic speech giver.

How enlightening.

by devoted1 2008-03-18 08:24AM | 0 recs
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Simply put - the speech was good, needed to happen, will further race relations, but people will not forget why Obama was forced to give it. Wright's anti-American rhetoric will not be forgotten, nor will Obama's 20 year close association with Wright. When you throw William Ayers (domestic terrorist who declared war on the US) into the mix, Obama will be perceived as someone who surrounds himself with anti-American radicals. You know the RAM will pound this into the American psyche. Obama may very well still win the nomination, if Dems do not through their support behind Hillary now. But, when it comes to the general, the RAM will revisit Wright and Ayers and make Obama the anti-American Democratic candidate (BTW, not something that can be done to Hillary). Obama will lose against the war hero, McCain. Sorry but it's true.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-18 08:26AM | 0 recs
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Obama is in NO position to claim some moral high ground in terms of race relations in this country or in this campaign.
After what his campaign did in South Carolina, it astounds me that he can stand up there and talk about unity.
by devoted1 2008-03-18 08:38AM | 0 recs
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by bringing up Ferraro - Hillary can demand equal time and give a speech of her own.

by nikkid 2008-03-18 08:41AM | 0 recs
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Ferraro is a crank and a demagogue???  

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-18 09:42AM | 0 recs
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Obama didn't go far enought for me imo. He didn't denoucne Wright or apologize or further distance himself from the words or the man.  The audacity of him indeed!

In act, he equated ferarro's obscure statement that his camp pulled from an obscure paper in no man's land and used it to trash her and the Clinton's to the racist/bigoted/hateful speech of Rev. WRight.

In addition, he tried to place White guilt on me and finally what did it for me and have me labeling Obama as a liar and a hypocrite is this little fact that I'm sure Hannity won't miss:

Obama, in his speech admitted thathe had sat in the pew and had heard WRight spew. Last Friday, he said that he hadn't now which Obama should we believe.  He is a liar and has been caught..it is only a matter of time before a video surfs up.

by shark 2008-03-18 08:50AM | 0 recs
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I think any unbiased observer would have to agree that this was an excellent speech.

It is so disappointing to me that Democrats on blogs like this take so much time and effort to snipe at the candidates instead of accentuating the really amazing things that they do and say.

Whether you are pro-Hillary or pro-Barack, please, please, refocus your posts on the positive. McBush and his lackeys will happily handle the negative.

by bill kapra 2008-03-18 09:08AM | 0 recs
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I can dig that he made the references to Ferraro and Wright to say that they were both treated unfairly. That's cool if the number of America-first/ Obama-second folks put off by GF's comments compared to the number of them put off by Wright's comments would have to be awfully similar for making that comparison that they are both just misunderstood, unfairly treated, flawed characters misjudged by what they said to be effectively persuasive I think. If it's considered by most white folks that some political and common actions are influenced and fueled by racial identity then it would be a lot easier to condemn but understand what GF's idea was than it would be for them to condemn but understand Wrights ideas since his were on a scope more particular to black culture in it's subject matter, perspective and it's presentation. If that's the case the use of linking the two may not work as intended.

I'm a brother who has not seen nor heard of OB's long politcal career of efforts to bridge any kind of racial divide. Nothing. I read that he helped folks in his area in Chi-town as part of his duties but never used his star power for anything specifically race related or race 'accented'. I don't hold it against him if that's what he needed to do but I don't like the idea of him banking on it when there are a lot more folks who are absolutely dedicated to it but get no props for it except by the folks who directly benefit from it. He's just a politician and this is just a speech. MLK talked it like he walked it. OB certainly has not but it seems folks want to see him that way with no discouragement from him. I just want things to be better.  

by andrelee 2008-03-18 09:25AM | 0 recs
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I am extremely disappointed in Jerome's comments.  It takes a pretty warped view to turn a direct admonition to NOT call Ferraro a "crank or demagogue," into an underhanded criticism of Ferraro that constitutes a "new low" in the campaign.  A direct rebuke to Ferraro's critics is somehow a slam on Ferraro?  

The speech makes the point quite clearly that the views of people like Rev Wright and Ferraro both need to be seen in light of their personal histories and our collective history.  This does not mean that these views are justified or helpful, but that the individuals who hold those views are still decent people.

by tls 2008-03-18 09:46AM | 0 recs
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That may have been the intent, but it was certainly not clear in the speech. The average listener is going to hear the diss and depending on which camp their on be infuriated or elated. And if you're in neither camp it sounds like he's dissing Ferraro and taking the moral high ground. I think that really brings down the speech in some level.

by JustAnotherOne 2008-03-18 11:04AM | 0 recs
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It is truly sad what has happened to Jerome. I still come here to read what other front pagers have to say, but he has completely lost me with his comments and diaries.

Unfortunately, as well, his site has lost many of the truly insightful commenters that used to be here as late as last month.  Many of them were Edwards supporters like me, some were Obama supporters and even a few Clinton supporters that truly had worthwhile comments and willingly yet respectfully debated with you.  That seems to be all gone now.  It is now vitriol on both sides where we yell and scream at each other instead of listening and debating each other.

by minvis 2008-03-18 11:04AM | 0 recs
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The speech is amazing - except for the Ferraro diss. But I can't help thinking that is just a ploy to get back in the game. I read the speech, I get inspired by the message, but then I just move on. Obama's actions haven't really proved to me that he's a unifier - just that he gives great speeches.

by JustAnotherOne 2008-03-18 11:05AM | 0 recs
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Jerome,

Get a life dude.

by swarty 2008-03-18 11:21AM | 0 recs
Poor MyDD

This site has gone SO far downhill.  I haven't seen similar levels of nastiness, ignorance, or willfull blindness on any other left site.

Jerome, maybe you could use a week off, to get a little perspective.  You seem to be losing it.  

A year ago, back when your mind was still open to new information, you wouldn't have made the obvious misinterpretation of Obama's mention of Ferraro.  

I hope things get better, for all of us.

by Garret 2008-03-18 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

He only mentioned Ferraro by name once in the entire speech so I do not understand Jerome claiming he referenced Ferraro several times?

by politics64 2008-03-18 12:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama Speech Thread

Jerome,

If Clinton is your candidate, that is all well and good. But do not pretend that, twenty four hours before she stepped down from Clinton's campaign, Ferraro did not lash out at Obama's supporters by stating that they were attacking her because she "is white."  Given the fact that, when viewed from the national level, the significant majority of Obama's supporters are also white, Ferraro's attack was clearly nothing more than a feeble attempt to salvage her position by going on the offensive by race-bating. Why excuse such tactics?

Both Wright and Ferraro used racially polarizing language.  Both campaigns should have the courage to step up and denounce the comments made by representatives of their respective candidates.

by olofpalme 2008-03-18 12:35PM | 0 recs
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By the way, I think you may be posting on the wrong website, for, given Clinton's relations with the neoliberals in the DLC and the slightly left-of-center lobbyists on Capital Hill, Clinton's campaign is to direct democracy what Cam'ron's social policy ("stop snitchin'") is to inner city politics...  A defiant call for the perpetuation of business as usual.  If that is what you consider to be leadership, no wonder you are focusing on two or three references to Ferraro and not on the remaining thirty seven minutes of the speech in question.

by olofpalme 2008-03-18 12:40PM | 0 recs
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And yes, I know: you founded MyDD, so I technically misspoke.

That said, it is a shame that a vocal supporter of the concept of direct democracy has embraced good ol' boy insider neoliberal politics instead of working to build a genuinely progressive democracy.

by olofpalme 2008-03-18 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama

Love how Barry equated Geraldine Ferraro the first female to ever sit on a major party's national ticket with his petty bigoted pastor.

by rossinatl 2008-03-18 02:59PM | 0 recs
Personally, I much prefer Bill's 1995

speech on the occasion of the Million Man March. It makes it about ALL of us, not him. It was also not given in the context of damage control. There's a link at Taylor Marsh's site.

I also did not care for him throwing his grandmother under the bus. Without her, he would most assuredly NOT be where he is today!

by allimom99 2008-03-18 03:54PM | 0 recs
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In agreement with many threads above, I finally logged in to this site just to say that I won't read it anymore.  I just hope that Mark Warner, and every other red state Dem, runs as far away from Jerome Armstrong as possible.  That guy is pure poison to the party.

by shameonmydd 2008-03-18 04:06PM | 0 recs
goodbye mydd

this topic is the final straw for me.
i am so disappointed to read post after post from so called progressives that damn a pastor for being critical of the gross injustices that this country has been responsable for since its inception.....many to its own citizens.

that someone should speak passionately about such issues is one of the things that make me proud to be a citizen of this country.

that anyone should care to what religion another person belongs to is embarrassing to me; an independant progressive.

god damn the democratic party if this is what it has become. you people (you know who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves.

you deserve george bush and you deserve john mccain and you will have him.

i wish a pox on thee!

by citizendave 2008-03-18 04:33PM | 0 recs
Jerome,
Tomorrow when you wake up, read it or listen to it again.  I'll check back in to see what you think of it then.  
Best,G
by GaryK 2008-03-18 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome,

Yes, I agree.  I have already talked to people who had to go back and reread it.

by Ellinorianne 2008-03-18 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome,

Closed minds don't work.

Why waste your time with the politicaly tone deaf?

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-18 07:45PM | 0 recs
Damn good speech

Geraldine is a nobody right now. The speech took no prisoners. He criticised the Wright's remarks without throwing him under the bus.

I do think they should have had Obama in front of a crowd for that speech. Have him walk through it.

by Pravin 2008-03-18 08:23PM | 0 recs

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