Fox Attacks: Obama

Brave New Films has released their latest Fox Attacks video, this one going after Fox for advancing vile talking points about Barack Obama, which then get picked up by mainstream media sources and spread like a virus.

Sign the petition to demand that the media stop enabling Fox's anti-Obama smear campaign.

Update [2008-3-14 16:4:5 by Todd Beeton]:Look, people, I do agree that Barack Obama got a free ride in the media for a while and Hillary Clinton could do no right. We've seen a shift in that lately but honestly, it doesn't make holding the media accountable no matter whom it smears any less important. This is going to be crucial for all of us in November no matter who the nominee is, unless of course you plan to vote for John McCain if you don't get your way in the primary, in which case I'm really not sure what you're doing at a Democratic blog.

Tags: Barack Obama, brave new films, Fox News (all tags)

Comments

227 Comments

Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Fox's story about Jeremiah Wright is more than fair. This is the vetting the main stream media and people like you should have been doing.

I am glad this is coming out now rather than in October.

I don't want to lose another election to the Republicans by nominating an unvetted candidate with major problems in his background.

by BigB 2008-03-14 10:26AM | 0 recs
More than fair

It's more than balanced too!

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: More than fair

I'll agree to boycott Fox if you agree boycott MSNBC for their blantantly sexist and biased coverage against Hillary Clinton.

http://noratings.blogspot.com/

I have to say, though, that this post make me laugh. Most of the media have been shills for Obama and his vague message.

by JFK464 2008-03-14 11:28AM | 0 recs
Compromise

I'll give you a Hannity & Colmes exception if you let me have a To Catch A Predator exception.

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 11:36AM | 0 recs
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Todd: you may have come to the wrong place with this request...sorry to say.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 10:35AM | 0 recs
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HE came to the wrong place? HE did? Really?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 11:03AM | 0 recs
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The comments speak for themselves. Yes HE did.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 11:26AM | 0 recs
MyDD

Home of Fox News Fans since 2007.

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: MyDD

Daily Kos, AmericaBlog, TPM, home of the sexist and smear machine MSNBC since whenever they began.

by anya109 2008-03-14 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: MyDD

Your list is getting kind of long...you know, at some point, saying I'm right but the rest of the world is wrong is silly.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 12:02PM | 0 recs
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Endorse the right wing smears against Obama and you give credibility to the smears from the same wingnuts against Clinton. Build up the right wing smear machine and you will get hoisted on your own petard. The stuff they are throwing at Obama is meak compared to the trash cans full of slime they will be pitching at Hillary if they think she has a chance.

Obama can agree with his pastor and members of his congregation that Jesus Christ is his Lord and savior and cooperate on the good community work and spreading of the gospel without agreeing with the political views of individual church members or his ex-pastor.

I am sure Obama is grateful to Minister Wright for bringing him to Jesus at the same time as he takes exception to his personal political views.

As far as Obama's church, the UCC is a mainstream Protestant church Obama's home church is it's largest congregation.

The current U.S. Congress includes 10 UCC members -- five Republicans and five Democrats.

Five U.S. Senators are UCC:  Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Obama.

Five House seats are occupied by UCC members: Thelma Drake (R-Va.), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Jim Ramstad (R-Minn.), Fred Upton (R-Mich.) and Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

Other notable UCC members include New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D); former U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords (I-Vt.); actress Lynn Redgrave; current U.S. Poet Laureate Donald Hall; Pulitzer-prize-winning newspaper columnists Connie Schultz (and wife of U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio) and Leonard Pitts Jr.; and Marilynne Robinson, the Pulitzer-prize-winning author of Gilead.

The Rev. Andrew Young former congressman, U.N. ambassador and Atlanta mayor is an ordained UCC minister, who began his Civil Rights activism working for the UCC.

The late Rev. William Sloane Coffin, the legendary social activist who became immortalized as the pastor in Gary Trudeau's Doonesbury comic strip, had ministerial standing in the UCC and served as pastor of the UCC's Riverside Church in New York.

You can add to that list Thomas Edison, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Walt Disney, Hubert Humphrey and 2 US Presidents.

I don't hear Liberal Catholic politicians being questioned on their commitment to a woman's right to choose, opposition to sexism and homophobia because of the comments and positions of some church clergy and church doctrine. I don't see Republicans being asked to answer for Falwells statements that 9/11 was God's punishment on America for homosexuality. They just say they don't agree with those positions and see the personal political views of church members as separate from the faith they share.

by hankg 2008-03-14 10:52AM | 0 recs
there is a huge difference

one is a simple position on abortion, and the other is saying 3000 people deserved to die because of mistreatment of black people, who called Jesus a black man, whose church says that an anti-semite like Farrakhan epitomizes greatness, whose words, if swtiched black and white would sound like the KKK.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-14 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: there is a huge difference

you really can't just switch black with white can you. unless you want to switch it starting 300 years ago...do you?

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: there is a huge difference

His church does not say that. Don't confuse the remarks of one man with the position and doctrine of the church.

Here is a white minister who attends Obama's home church speaking about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_p Uw

Here is the church's response to the smears against it's largest congregation:
http://www.ucc.org/news/thomas-denounces -smear-1.html

by hankg 2008-03-14 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: there is a huge difference

Olbermann compared Hillary to David Duke....**crickets* from the 'liberal' Obama blogs

http://noratings.blogspot.com/

by JFK464 2008-03-14 11:29AM | 0 recs
So all UCC congregations preach Wright's vitriol?

This is about a POTUS candidate sitting in a congregation with his wife and family over a period of years soaking up Wright's "sermons."
UCC is admirably progressive, but I doubt many of it's ministers subscribe to Wright's theology.

I'm having a hard time imagining Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Thelma Drake (R-Va.), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Jim Ramstad (R-Minn.), Fred Upton (R-Mich.) and Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) staying 20 years in that particular congregation.

by sgary 2008-03-14 11:16AM | 0 recs
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Hankg, this is my favorite myDD SPAM of yours:

Pat Buchanan, Rush, O'Reilly and the WSJ editorial page are rushing to Ferraro's defense. No surprise it's fits right in with their narrative: All you latte sipping Volvo driving bleeding heart liberals kicked the more experienced white guys like Dodd and Biden to the curb so you could have two less experienced affirmative action candidates. Hillary is lucky she's a woman and slept with an ex-President and Obama is lucky he's a Black man with a funny name. If they where white men they would not be where they are. Yes poor old Dodd, Edwards and Biden didn't have a chance against candidates who could play the race and gender card and play on liberal guilt.

Sounds like you've already endorsed those "smears". Wow, not only did Hillary have a career of her own, she f_cked an ex-president too. Cool.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 11:45AM | 0 recs
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I guess you are to dense to see that I was making a point about Ferraro's remarks. If you buy into the Republican narrative about Blacks and Obama you better be prepared to accept their smears against woman and Hillary as well.

by hankg 2008-03-14 12:15PM | 0 recs
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Let me add to that so it is perfectly clear. If you endorse, spread and foster Republican narratives and talking points like the old Republican appeal to racial resentment "unqualified Black guys get breaks that hard working better qualified white guys don't get because the Liberals have given the country to the minorities" then you are giving credibility to the whole Republican narrative including all the sexist slime against woman.

You can't just endorse Bucahanan's, O'Reilly's and the WSJ editorial pages screeds against Obama and blacks without lending support to their woman hating agenda.

If you lie down with dogs you will wake up with fleas.

by hankg 2008-03-14 12:29PM | 0 recs
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That may be so BUT none of them are running for POTUS!

by shark 2008-03-14 11:49AM | 0 recs
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I'd gladly sign a petition denouncing Obama and Obama supporters' LIES against Hillary.

And one more time - here's the facts about the 60 Minutes interview....

>>>>Less than one second. That's how long it took Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to answer, "Of course not," to Steve Kroft's question on 60 Minutes about whether she thought Sen. Barack Obama was a Muslim. You can time it yourself by watching the clip at YouTube.

Still, that didn't stop MSNBC's Chris Matthews from complaining on-air last week that it took Clinton "the longest time" to answer Kroft's question.
http://mediamatters.org/columns/20080311 0002

by annefrank 2008-03-14 11:14AM | 0 recs
I'll co-sign! n/t

by DemAC 2008-03-14 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll co-sign! n/t

Now, thats something I'll sign. The hypocrisy is sickening.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 11:33AM | 0 recs
Sickening indeed

and really really pathetic to behold.

by DemAC 2008-03-14 11:40AM | 0 recs
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And the vetting appears to be working.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/Obama_pained_and_angered_by_Wrights_ inflammatory_and_appalling_remarks.html
No matter which candidate is selected, the Democratic party will survive.
by Tilde 2008-03-14 01:03PM | 0 recs
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There's no way I am signing this.

by susanhu 2008-03-14 01:14PM | 0 recs
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I suppose the next petition will be to put a stop to Sean Wilentz's articles for The New Republic.

by susanhu 2008-03-14 01:15PM | 0 recs
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Fox's story about Jeremiah Wright is more than fair.

Fox is more than fair. Guilt by association is something the main stream media should be doing.

I won't bother to list, again, the potential for blowback here.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:30AM | 0 recs
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Is there a petition calling for MSNBC to stop attacking Hillary?  just curious...

by Andiclimber 2008-03-14 10:32AM | 0 recs
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Don't you get that the fight is against Republicans and that this infight you are so happily celebrating is simply a distraction?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:35AM | 0 recs
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Yes, when the attacks are against Hillary, it's all good fun and they show how awful a candidate she is. But when they're against Obama, can't we all just get along?
by ColoradoGuy 2008-03-14 10:51AM | 0 recs
So you support Fox News?

by Erik 2008-03-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
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Did I say that or do you mistake me with that straw man you just created?

To ashamed to see supporters of your own candidate engage in this?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:56AM | 0 recs
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http://noratings.blogspot.com/

Right, here

by JFK464 2008-03-14 11:30AM | 0 recs
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And, unfortunately, there's even more that the MSM has not YET touched, about Obama. I think it's gonna get worse. When Democrats learn that the MSM is not their friends, no matter who they support for the Democratic nomination, maybe they can win a GE election.

by Actright 2008-03-14 10:34AM | 0 recs
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such as?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:35AM | 0 recs
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We've only been attacking the MSM for years. Hell, blogs basically gained prominence because the media so utterly failed us in the run-up to the Iraq war (and before that, during the 2000 "with whom I'd rather drink a beer" election).

Perhaps I'm a little overly sensitive these days, but it seems that your comment is implying that Obama supporters trust Fox and other MSM outlets. I sincerely hope you don't consider your fellow left-blog members to be that incredibly naive. (If I've misunderstood the comment, then my apologies.)

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-14 10:47AM | 0 recs
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You misunderstood my comments. What I have been yearning for is a Left Wing TV equivalent of Fox. We don't have one. I applaud the blogs and all, but my neighbors tune in to Fox or purchase the tabloids. That's where they get their news, believe it or not.
Once we have a nominee, these outlets will define him or her, as they did Gore, et al.
by Actright 2008-03-14 11:01AM | 0 recs
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Todd, how about cleaning up on your own blog?

If I look at the recommended diaries on MyDD, FOX actually looks like a unbiased news channel indeed.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:34AM | 0 recs
Ain't that the truth

It's like reading freerepublic.

by Erik 2008-03-14 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Ain't that the truth

What about the anti-Hillary diaries that are posted here?  Are those.. what?  Legitimate?  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Ain't that the truth

I think they are a hopeless response to the brutal and mean-spirited a anti-Obama diaries that are eating this blog alive.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Ain't that the truth

What about the anti-Obama diaries on Daily Kos, both of them are in the minority on their particular sites.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-14 11:10AM | 0 recs
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I think it's free speech.  They are also catering to their general audience, which they have a right to.  

by venavena 2008-03-14 10:35AM | 0 recs
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You are defending this?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:36AM | 0 recs
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makes you wonder how often the proprietors read the threads, doesn't it?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:37AM | 0 recs
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I'm sorry, I can't see the videos, but I've just been going on what I've actually seen on Fox.  I just assumed it was their use of the Wright video.  

by venavena 2008-03-14 10:47AM | 0 recs
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Just blindly followed your hate, eh?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:48AM | 0 recs
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What are you talking about?  What hate?  

by venavena 2008-03-14 10:57AM | 0 recs
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You defended FoxNews because they were being criticized for criticizing Obama, without watching the video.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
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Obama is not my enemy, but I don't think he's above reproach.

by venavena 2008-03-14 11:29AM | 0 recs
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I agree - where is the petition to ask Olbermann to stop comparing HRC to David Duke?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:36AM | 0 recs
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I agree.  

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 10:38AM | 0 recs
Maybe Clinton...

should stop portraying Obama as the "black candidate" so she can sure up the white vote. Maybe you are wrong and Olbermann is right. Did you ever think of that?

by Erik 2008-03-14 11:00AM | 0 recs
Fox News=Mydd Rec List.

This is really funny.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-14 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox News=Mydd Rec List.

I have to agree with this.

by d 2008-03-14 11:11AM | 0 recs
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When you're unvetted and inexperienced and have plenty to hide from the media, and still decides to run for President - this is what happens.

That Fox carries through with investigative reporting on Obama while the other networks don't say a lot more about the other networks than it says about Fox.

Let Obama walk in Hillary's shoes for a while. That will make him a better candidate in 2016 - when he hopefully is tested, vetted and ready to go.

by DemAC 2008-03-14 10:37AM | 0 recs
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FOX is NOT the media....that's the point!
FOX a right-wing propaganda outlet that is polluting our democracy. Getting in bed with them to defeat Obama is just dancing with the devil. You are going to get burned.
by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 10:41AM | 0 recs
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Obamabots here and elsewhere repeat misinformation Fox News generated about the Clintons.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 10:43AM | 0 recs
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So, that now gives you the right to do the same? That is possibly the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:45AM | 0 recs
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This is not misinformation.  No one doctored the Rev. Wright stuff to make him say stuff he didn't say.  He said it.  He stands by it.  If Obama does too that is his choice.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:46AM | 0 recs
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Did you watch the video?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:49AM | 0 recs
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Yes I have seen all of the videos.  Yes they are just tidbits of information out of 40 years of preaching.  Doesn't matter.. the whole Bill Clinton ridin dirty thing was pretty gross.  The 9/11 thing 5 days after when there were still bodies in the rubble made me sick.  What is your question?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:52AM | 0 recs
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Have you seen the video posted here?

The subject of the thread.

Wright is a very small part of it.

If you would read the post, and then the thread, maybe you wouldn't have to ask rather obvious questions.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:56AM | 0 recs
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Watch the FOX Attacks video...I don't think you have a clue what FOX is.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 10:57AM | 0 recs
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So you obviously haven't watched this video.  

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 10:58AM | 0 recs
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I just watched the video.  Again, their target audience is who???  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
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Tim Russert.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:04AM | 0 recs
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Tim Russert?  NBC/MSNBC you mean?  They will never repeat the stuff off of Fox News.  Yes I know the Tim Russert question in the debate about Rev. Wright..but generally speaking they are not going to join the Fox News campaign.  This is a non issue.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 11:06AM | 0 recs
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Actually, it was the Farrakhan thing that Russert (and Hillary Clinton) seized on in the last debate.

But Russert has been taking his talking points from FoxNews at least since the Swift Boaters (no one needed to help him smear Al Gore).

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:09AM | 0 recs
You must excuse them

They are Obama supporters and they don't know what it means to have the media investigating their candidate. It's not their fault - they just haven't experienced it. The sad part is that this leads to the flawed idea that this absence of media vetting will continue infinitely and everything will be just dandy as it is. If Obama is nominated they will have a rude awakening come the fall.

by DemAC 2008-03-14 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: You must excuse them

Again...saying FOX is part of the media shows either a lack of understanding or an embrace of their agenda. Have you watched the video? Obama=Hitler is not vetting in my book.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: You must excuse them

Obama can't even handle Fox, and you think he can be POTUS?

Pffft.

by DemAC 2008-03-14 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: You must excuse them

Obama can handle it fine don't worry...thats not the point (if you care)....The Petition

Fox is a Republican mouthpiece, not a legitimate news organization. Real news organizations must reject Fox's smears of Barack Obama, not parrot them.

FOX must be branded as propagandist so they cannot weld the power to destroy Democrats at will.  

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: You must excuse them

If they destroy him it's because he's got plenty that will let them destroy him.

And where were you and your sudden sense of party and righteousness when Hillary was accused of racism on Fox?

Now, go sign your little petition and good luck.

by DemAC 2008-03-14 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: You must excuse them

Way to look at the big picture...I will sign it thank you. When the "FOX Attacks Hillary" petition is started I will sign that too.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 12:33PM | 0 recs
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6 year old children like Taylor Marsh come up with names like "Obamabots" and use them...

by Sinbad Sinbad 2008-03-14 10:46AM | 0 recs
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So, where did Hilbots, Hitlarites, etc. come from?  Obama adults?  LOL.

by anya109 2008-03-14 11:49AM | 0 recs
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Maybe she should try to stop organizing debates on Fox News.

by LordMike 2008-03-14 10:49AM | 0 recs
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To be fair, maybe if Obama went on Fox'n'Friends and giggled and flirted with Karl Rove, they'd be nicer to him.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 10:50AM | 0 recs
Nanny nanny poo poo

"They did it first!"

Grow up.

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Nanny nanny poo poo

Go play with your etcha sketch.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 11:11AM | 0 recs
Ooh, good one

go tell some truth to last year. Snap!

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 11:16AM | 0 recs
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MSNBC is NOT the media....that's the point!
FOX a left-wing propaganda outlet that is polluting our democracy. Getting in bed with them to defeat Clinton is just dancing with the devil. You are going to get burned.
by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:45AM | 0 recs
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Damnit!  

MSNBC is NOT the media....that's the point!
MSNBC is a left-wing propaganda outlet that is polluting our democracy. Getting in bed with them to defeat Clinton is just dancing with the devil. You are going to get burned.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:45AM | 0 recs
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But Obamabots adore Keith Olbermann, for Keith writes diaries at Daily Kos.  Besides, sexist male bloggers require a media outlet to validate their warped beliefs.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 10:48AM | 0 recs
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That is besides the point of this diary.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:48AM | 0 recs
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Yes, sexism is always irrelevant to its practitioners.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 10:54AM | 0 recs
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How is this diary about sexism or how is the video about this?  You Clinton peeps keep saying that Obama is injecting race into the contest when ferrero spouts off something stupid and now you are injecting sexism into this and getting defensive when you are asked about it?

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:01AM | 0 recs
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Why not discuss the media's patent sexism?  Why are online advocates only concerned with Barack Obama?  Or is everything now shaped and determined by advertising revenue?

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 11:03AM | 0 recs
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Who's stopping you? The diaries are an open forum.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:05AM | 0 recs
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Then make a post about sexism.  Make a video mash-up showing examples of blatant sexism, post it up and get a petition going.  

Look, I am not saying that sexism isn't a problem or that tweety hasn't been a world class tool this election but when you do this it only leads to people saying "huh" and ignoring you.  It would be like going to a forum on child obesity, getting to the mic and going on a rant against the WTO.

If you want to get a message across there are better, more effective, and smarter ways of doing it.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:12AM | 0 recs
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No, it really is the point. You are so confused by your love for Obama you can't even tell how twisted into a pretzel you are.
by ColoradoGuy 2008-03-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
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Works both ways.  Do Obama supporters now agree to address only the issues in diaries, or only the ones that they agree with (I know, I ended my sentence with a preposition)?

by anya109 2008-03-14 12:04PM | 0 recs
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Can someone please tell me why its cool for people like this to use the term "Obamabot" but people like me get a waringin for terms like "Hilhadis"?

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-14 11:04AM | 0 recs
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very creative. So you prefer Fox News to MSNBC?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:48AM | 0 recs
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I don't like any of them.  I watch CNN.. sparingly.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:53AM | 0 recs
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Honestly, I had never watched a minute of Fox News before Super Tuesday 2, when, after hours of watching CNN mostly and MSNBC sparingly, I flipped over to see what the wingnuts were saying.  Granted this was the after midnight crew, but I found their commentary to be less blowhard than MSNBC, and I considered that fact to be pretty damn sad.

I haven't watched MSNBC or Fox since...

by FitnessNerd 2008-03-14 12:27PM | 0 recs
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Right, because MSNBC was sooo helpful in the 2000 election. FOX is out to destroy the Democratic party . Don't mess around with them unless that is not important to you...is it?

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
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I have very vivid memories of 2000 and 2004, thank you very much.  Like I said.. I don't watch Fox News (except for a few seconds when I may be flipping through, and then I laugh and change the channel)  The only people I know who are religious Fox News fans are not going to vote for a Democrat anyway.  Their audience isn't Democrats.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 10:59AM | 0 recs
Destroying the Democrat party

I think the leftwing nuts are doing a fine job of it themselves.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 11:03AM | 0 recs
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One would have thought that after what the MSM did to Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and of course, Bill, the Left Wing would have bought and installed its own TV propaganda machine to fight back.

by Actright 2008-03-14 10:47AM | 0 recs
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And MSNBC is propaganda, too!  Worse than FOX!! and without the ratings,!!!

by tiffany 2008-03-14 01:26PM | 0 recs
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So..anyone asks a question about Wright and it's a smear?

Please, this will be the biggest swiftboat attempt in the GE and you just want to pretend it's a non-issue and paint Obama the victim.

I'll wait for the MSNBC petition...

by Andiclimber 2008-03-14 10:38AM | 0 recs
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Another person who obviously had their response ready without actually watching the video.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
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Obama should get ahead of this story about his former pastor.

This just reminds of how Kerry got swiftboated , this story is getting out of hand and his campaign is sitting back hoping it would go away .

It is going to be on the sunday shows.

There is trouble brewing in the horizon over this story among ordinary americans.

This is the beginning of his swiftboating and he is not handling it well.

by lori 2008-03-14 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Please get a coffee, tee, or whatever you like and relax.

The MyDD Obama-hate echo chamber is not in any way representative of the USA. If it was, I would feel very sorry for this country.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Although we're both for Obama, let's be honest and acknowledge that a lot of diaries on dKos are as anti-Hillary as those here are anti-Obama. To quote one of my favorite shows, "That's how the game is played."

And, um, so what if that show is Discovery Kids' Endurance? It's a darn fine show! Why are you looking at me like that?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-14 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

They are anti-Hillary indeed and I don't agree with a lot of them, but they are different. They ask Hillary to drop out, reject her campaign tactics, explain their general dislike for her or her policies and whatever.

I haven't seen any recommended diary on DK that presents the latest "facts" of how exactly Clinton murdered Foster and other stuff that could have been said word-by-word by a right-wing nut job. MyDD has gone a few levels deeper in how they portray their Obama hatred. Also, on MyDD Obama-hate domintes Hillary-love, while it is mostly the other way around on DK.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama
Not so fast. Neither MyDD nor Kos is in anyway representative of the how the nation feels or what it knows. But you can be damn sure McCain will make everyone know by the time November rolls around. Obama is trying, as you are, to stick his head in the sand and hope it goes away. McCain won't let it. You can call that irresponsible, but that and a buck won't even by you a latte anymore.
by ColoradoGuy 2008-03-14 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

As a matter of fact, he does not push the story and said so publicly. That does not mean that some right-wing nut jobs won't do it. But then, some Clinton nut jobs are doing the same, there is not much difference.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

McCain is way more respectable than the Clintons when it comes to "dirty politics".  That isn't to say that the RNC won't do it but the type of campaigning McCain will do and Clinton will do are vastly different.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Do I get an explanation on why this is troll-worthy?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

How the hell does this deserve a troll rating?  I'm sure that Coral won't be a stand up person and explain it.  I wouldn't expect anything less from some of the regulars here.

by zep93 2008-03-14 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

I wouldn't normally agree with you, but props for this comment. You are absolutely right on the money and it's only going to get worse without pushback from Obama.

by pitahole 2008-03-14 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Yup. He needs to pull a Rove. Stop trying to hide him and speak directly to it. There's more than enough good deeds behind what this guy has done to demonstrate a good reason for Obama to support him despite his hardcore radical political views.

If he doesn't address this in a way that makes it clear what exactly he means by spiritual advisor, he's toasted.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Obama is yet to answer questions regarding Rezko.  And I hope he will address the relation between his earmarks for The University of Chicago and his wife's salary increase.  The media should also explore Obama's relationship to Alexi Giannoulias and organized crime in Chicago, Illinois.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Rezko is one I hope he keeps closed. Let them hammer away at that hard. There's not very much there, and it gives the moron wingnuts something to keep them busy, since they'll treat it just like Whitewater.

Meanwhile, McCain's lobbying ties are far more damning and easy to prove. That FCC crap alone is enough for Obama to nail him to the wall regarding ethics.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Obama can only ignore the Chicago press core for so long.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

I went ahead and signed the petition b/c I can't stand the FOX smear machine and Obama deserves better. With that being said, how about a petition for MSNBC end it's 'bashing on Hillary" parade? I want fair coverage for both candidates.

by corunner26 2008-03-14 10:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Start one.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Would you sign that MSNBC petition?  And I would really like that Todd Beeton or some other front pager start one.

by anya109 2008-03-14 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

I would in fact sign an anti tweety and a lot of other MSNBC guys, yes.  I don't think that Olbermann was out of line though cause if you listen he is saying exactly what I have been saying...GET RID OF MARK PENN AND YOUR OTHER IDIOT ADVISORS!

Brokaw and Keith are the only ones on MSNBC I can stand though and they have been pretty sexist for most of the campaign.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

I also desire to know why Obama was appointed to a state Senate committee on Pensions and Investments at the very same time Levine and Rezko were lobbying Blagojevich and Illinois state legislators to block consolidation of Illinois state pensions.  Was Obama appointed to that position for a sole three months in order to ensure that consolidation would not interrupt the kickback scheme Levine and Rezko orchestrated?  Is this why Obama was the recipient of funds obtained through the kickback scheme?  Is this why Rezko helped Obama purchase the Kenwood mansion?  And why was Alexi Giannoulias, the Illinois state Treasurer Obama endorsed, Rezko's banker?  

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 10:45AM | 0 recs
by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

LOL! You've got to be kidding?

Obama is virtually a protected rare American species, a Democratic politician supported by nearly every MSM outlet including MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WAPO etc.

No thanks, I'll save my energy for someone who really needs the help. That person being Hillary Clinton.

by superetendar 2008-03-14 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Todd,

Thanks for posting the link to that petition.  By now you have probably read the comments in this thread left by Hillary supporters.

I have nothing to say-  they speak for themselves.

by global yokel 2008-03-14 10:50AM | 0 recs
Surprised to See This Here

I kinda thought that most folks on MyDD and the guys at Fox News were on the same page about Obama...

by chinapaulo 2008-03-14 10:53AM | 0 recs
C'mon

Todd, is this some sort of double reverse snark or something? Any number of MyDD diaries on a good day could pass for Faux News front page stories about Obama. And remember that's on a good day.

by pitahole 2008-03-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Sure, I'll sign it.

Right after I sign the petition that you pass around protesting the horrible treatment of Clinton by Olbermann and MSNBC.

by cc 2008-03-14 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

I am appalled at the double standard here but maybe I should be as this petition is coming from a male.  Where were you when all of the sexist, misoygenistic statements were being made about Clinton?

Your plea is about to fall on deaf ears.

Why aren't you calling for BO to repudiate/denounce his minister? Geraldine Ferraro and Clinton were hung out to dry and Mrs. Ferraro was made out to be a racist!

I will never forget it and I cannot support this petition.

Males on blogsite, you need to step up to the plate and be fair, that is all we are asking. Just be fair, equal and balanced.

by shark 2008-03-14 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Why aren't you calling for BO to repudiate/denounce his minister?

He already did.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

The equivalent was when Samantha Power called Hillary a monster.

SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT TO SUNRISE before she got canned.  Clinton let the Geraldine thing simmer for a week before she sent her off as a freelance attack surrogate.  This is equivalent because they both worked for the campaign and they were current statements.

If you want to compare at least compare apples to apples.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Except what GF said was true. If Obama were a woman with the same vague message of hope and unity his campaign would be a joke (well, actually it is becoming a joke). The sexism displayed by the MSM and phony-liberal blogs has been amazing.

http://noratings.blogspot.com/

by JFK464 2008-03-14 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Like Bill Clinton's "Third Way"?  

Sound familiar?  Yeah, he is a white dude btw, just in case you hadn't noticed.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama
There's a growing and very angry bunch out here, who would normally leap on Fox, except that we can't see straight because of the unfair and profoundly misogynist treatment of Clinton on left, center, and right wing media alike.  And how powerless and ineffective we've been in combatting it. (Where's the petition about Olbermann's outrageous spittle-flecked tirade?)
And because we believe Obama has either initiated or fostered much of it, and certainly profited immensely by it.  The race-baiting campaign which for me started even before the ridiculous Johnson-MLK flap with talking points about the Bradley effect after New Hampshire, repeated over and over, all empirical evidence to the contrary, is a sad example.  Watching Obama's campaign turn Hillary into a racist with the help of the media has been enormously dispiriting.  
And, no, she's never been called the n word, but try putting Hillary and c--t into google and you get 342,000 entries.  Hillary and b-tch gets you 566,000.  
by oh puhleeze 2008-03-14 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Obama n----r gets a full 663000.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Yep, but combined Clinton's responses = 908,000 far more than BO's 662,000 and your point.....

by shark 2008-03-14 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

That's sad.  Racism and Sexism appear to be alive an d well in some corners.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-14 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

And you can find ALL those corners on the Internet. Used to be really difficult to know what white supremacists thought about the issues of the day. No more! Thanks, Internet!!

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Everything oh puhleeze wrote is exactly how I feel.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Some evil Obama supporter insulted you and now you are officially allowed to do the same thing forever. How grown-up of you.

As for the claims that Obama was using the race-card - it is on the same level of stupidity than claiming that the Clinton's are racist. Sorry, but you are not one bit better than Obama supporters calling Hillary a racist by doing just that.

And, finally, to give you a sense of perspective, "Obama Muslim" gives you 1'260'000 hits.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Is it possible, in your mind, to oppose Hillary Clinton's candidacy for reasons other than misogyny?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Thank you for expressing my thoughts, exactly.  There are a lot of angry people who will not vote in Nov.  And I do not need to tell you who to blame.

by tiffany 2008-03-14 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

If Obama cannot stand the heat, then he must leave the kitchen, even if that kitchen was purchased with Rezko cash and with the salary increase his wife obtained as a result of the earmarks he submitted on behalf of the University of Chicago.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 11:04AM | 0 recs
good luck...

...with that request on mydd.

any smear against obama seems to be fair game on this site.

by d 2008-03-14 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: good luck...

I guess you understand how Hillary supporters feel on Kos.

I really do want to know more about Obama--there are gaps that people just fill in for themselves.  I agree that there is some really dirty stuff in there that I disapprove of, BUT I want to know exactly who he is, what he really believes in and supports (actions speak much louder than words here), and what his specific policies are.  When asked for specifics he usually says "OK I will get specific" and offers more generalities.  I want specific plans.  I can judge Hillary because she does this.

by The Smoldering Crone 2008-03-14 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: good luck...

Tell me one place where Hillary Clinton is more specific than he is, maybe I can fill out the gaps.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: good luck...

Don't bother asking serious questions requesting facts and real dialog.  I tried that for a month and never heard back once, but I did get troll rated and called an a*shole.

Facts and discussion are no longer a part of this board.  I marvel at the Clinton camp calling Obama supporters a cult of personality.  Seems to me the opposite is equally true if not more so.  And it makes me feel I was right all along.  Edwards 08!

But alas that train has left the station, so my support is fully behind Obama now.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-14 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

No, I cannot support your petition.  Obama has not been properly vetted and I cannot support a canidate that we know little off.  I cannot support a canidate who has a 20yr tie to a bigotted, hate mongering pastor that he still has attached to his campaign.

If it takes Fox to do it, so be it but that is because the main stream media has abandoned its job and many liberal blogs have not had the guts to confront what we all know willhappen in the general if Barrack is the nominee.

The Repthug. attack machine will swiftboat him and make Kerry look like child's play as compared to what will happen to BO.

I can see the add now, a spilt scream with Rev. J Wright spouting his hate filled speech, 'God damn America' with BO on the other side, saying 'Just words!'

So, sorry.

by shark 2008-03-14 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Actually, it's my understanding that Wright resigned this morning. It bothers me that this hasn't hit the news, even though I support Obama.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

If this is true, why haven't we seen a statement to this effect on the wires on carried by MSM? I'm not calling you out but I doubt it.

It seems as if BO is ignoring this and hoping that by Monday the story blows over.

by shark 2008-03-14 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Truer words have never been said.

http://noratings.blogspot.com/

by JFK464 2008-03-14 11:33AM | 0 recs
You reap what sow...

Good job Todd. You created this monster. Maybe it's time that you tell you followers it's time to quit the bullshit, get behind the Democratic nominee or they are gone from the site. You're gonna have to do it sooner or later. Clean up this mess tghat you helped create.

by Erik 2008-03-14 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: You reap what sow...

There is no Democratic nominee.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 11:13AM | 0 recs
There will be...

and this is gonna have to be cleaned up when that happens.

by Erik 2008-03-14 11:38AM | 0 recs
Updated a post...

that's a start Todd. Now you should base an entire post about you update.

by Erik 2008-03-14 12:13PM | 0 recs
Summary of the new MyDD consensus

-DailyKos is a hate site.
-Kieth Olbermann is reprehensible
-Fox News does fair and important investigative reporting that the other networks are too afraid to do.

Got it.

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Summary of the new MyDD consensus

What kind of diaries would you like to see here then?  Maybe you can suggest some?  I dunno.. I see plenty of anti-Clinton diaries here - a lot more than I see anti-Obama diaries at DK.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 11:24AM | 0 recs
Suggestions:

I've got two:

-Pro-Hillary diaries that go into details about her policy proposals and encourage people to volunteer and get active in politics.

-Anti-John McCain diaries that get started digging up dirt on the GOP nominee.

Those would be helpful.

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-14 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Summary of the new MyDD consensus

Pretty close to the truth these days!

http://noratings.blogspot.com/

by JFK464 2008-03-14 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Where is the petition to hold Keith Olberman accountable for linking David Duke's name with the great senator of NY, Hillary Clinton?

Where were you on that?

That is unforgiveable.  The Clinton's are not racist and well know that they stoked the Geraldine Ferarro story further polarizing the races and smearing the Clintons.

Your plea is falling on deaf ears.

by shark 2008-03-14 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Geraldine stoke the Geraldine story.  All she had to do was apologize and the thing would have gone away.  Instead she kept repeating it and getting even sillier with it.

And with Obama canning Power before sunrise and Clinton letting Ferarro loose, well it is just another example of how badly the Clinton campaign has been ran.  She should have gotten rid of all the idiots on her staff after Iowa and she would be the nominee but that train has left the station.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Why should she apologize for something that she thought was true. Many others think that it is true also.  She has a record and it is not one of being a racist.  She is a stalwart in the party and BO and his camp pissed on her.

They were pushing the story even afer she resigned. This was reported in one of the newspapers that his camp was still trying to push the story with reporters.

by shark 2008-03-14 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Why should she apologize for something that she thought was true. Many others think that it is true also.  She has a record and it is not one of being a racist.  She is a stalwart in the party and BO and his camp pissed on her.

They were pushing the story even afer she resigned. This was reported in one of the newspapers that his camp was still trying to push the story with reporters.

by shark 2008-03-14 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Just because you think something is true does not make it so.  Go spread your crap at RedState or something.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-14 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

How utterly pathetic.  I'm sure Samantha Power really thinks Hillary is a monster, maybe she should come back to the Obama campaign and get back to work, after all according to you it's ok to say it if you think it's true.

This is NOT about you believing the trash that comes out of your mouth.  It's about the trash!

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-14 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Oh okay, so you agree that is was cool for Trent Lott to say "we wouldn't have all these problems" if segregationist Strom Thurmond would have won the presidency?

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

IMO, Fox news and I can't believe that I'm saying this has been THE MOST FAIR with it's election coverage and that has been proven by studies.  MSNBC is an arm of the DNC and has been officially dubbed by my family as The Obama Network all day long.

I know that I will go back to hating Fox but for now, they have been fair with their coverage on BOTH of the democratic canidates. I'm sorry but I can't say that of MessSNBC, CNN and the others.

by shark 2008-03-14 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Obama=Hitler is fair? Interesting...

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

You really jumped yourself with this one!

The DNC = Obama? Do you know how ridiculous this is?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 11:23AM | 0 recs
this is funny...

...and couldn't possibly be a serious comment.

by d 2008-03-14 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Hey MSNBC isn't all bad Pat Buchanan has jumped to the Clinton's and Ferraro's defense as has the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Bill Clinton was welcomed on to Rush Limbaugh's radio show to drum up votes in TX. Yes when you have O'Reilly, Fox, Buchanan and the WSJ editorial page on your side you know you are on the side of truth and justice.

by hankg 2008-03-14 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Bill clinton did not speak to Rush. I listened to that show. He spoke to the fill in guest who has his own show in TX. I believe that was tape. In any event, he did not talk to Rush himself.

by shark 2008-03-14 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Conspiring with Rush Limbaugh to go on his show while he played sick is a fucking joke. I don't care if Al Franken was the guest host. Have you ever listened to Mark Davis?

by Erik 2008-03-14 12:18PM | 0 recs
Blatant Hypocrisy

If the MSM would have vetted Obama to begin with, then Fox doing it for them in a Foxy fashion would not be newsworthy. Where was the "progressive community" in calling out the misinformation and media bias against Hillary? Where? Right, I remember you were all gleefully dancing around the campfire with the Republicans, parroting their talking points. Where was the "progressive community" in setting the record straight the Hillary is NOT a racist? Where? Oh, right, how could I forget that you were the ones spreading the smear like a plague. I will not sign. Boot me from myDD, but I will not. The blatant hypocrisy is beyond belief.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

Where has Hillary been called a racist?  Can you please cite because I don't know of it happening from any mainstream source.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

What hole has your head been in?

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

Seriously, it was a valid question, please answer it.  Since you made the claim, please back it up with facts, because if all you have is how you feel, then you should really express it as your feelings and not fact.

I know that several of her surrogates have been accused of making racist statements, but where or when has the MSM called Hillary a racist?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-14 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

ILHC, I did not say the "the MSM called Hillary a racist" although it has certainly been implied. What I said was:

setting the record straight that Hillary is NOT a racist?

The MSM is awash with implication and innuendo. Their are outright charges against Hillary in the blogosphere. As, I recall, there was a sweet little "special comment" from Keith Olbermann just the other day.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

Where was the "progressive community" in setting the record straight the Hillary is NOT a racist?

Clearly you understand your comments inferred that Hillary has in fact been called a racist, don't you?

Where has Hillary been called a racist?  Can you please cite because I don't know of it happening from any mainstream source......

What hole has your head been in?

 Perhaps his head was in the hole where no one in the MSM claimed Hillary was a racist, you know that hole..it's called "the real world'.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-14 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

The hole where you guys are making up an accusation to rally against that was never made.

It is a far cry calling someone a racist and saying "hey, don't say stupid shit"

I was just hanging out with friends and one said "he totally jewed me down" and I said "excuse me, he WHAT you down?"  And he apologized, said my bad, and moved on.  He isn't a racist but that doesn't mean I can't call him out for it.

It is the same thing here, you are talking like people are accusing Hillary of being a racist when no one has.  So simmer down with the rhetoric.

by kasjogren 2008-03-14 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

Maybe you missed it whan MediaMatters, Firedoglake and, yes, Daily Kos led the charge against Matthews' "she got elected because her husband cheated on her" comments, forcing him to apologize (half-assed as it was)? Or when that same group got David Shuster suspended for his pimp comments? Or went after the Washington Post for their "cleavage" stories?

Proabably wallowing in one of the fifteen daily compost piles trying to find new ways to spread innuendo and guilt-by-association about Rezsko.

Where were you when MoveOn was founded to oppose Bill Clinton's impeachment?

Just because we don't blindly follow Hillary Clinton doesn't mean we   don't see or oppose misogyny in the media. Sorry, but there are reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton's candidacy besides her gender.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

R-i-g-h-t.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Blatant Hypocrisy

Which part of my factual statement draws your withering adolescent sarcasm?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama
People seem to want one of two things, either for Obama to reject the more radical remarks made by Wright or reject and denounce Wright himself.
On the first part, he has done this several times in the pasat and, to his credit, continues to do so without whining about it.
Consider this scenario: One month from now somebody replays Ferraro's comments and asks Clinton to disavow them. Would that be fair to do? And do you think Clinton is going to say "Of course I reject and denounce them" or "Look folks, that is old news, I already did in the paast and I resent them coming up again."?
My sense is it would be the latter.
On the second request. Wright represents somewhat of a father figure for Obama. Now, my father was an alcoholic bigot who would frequently tell off color racist jokes and signed a petition to keep AA's from moving into our neighborhood. In addition to that, he also taught me about the necessity for honesty, hard work and the need to remain true to myself.
Because part of who or what he was was a negative, which I have rejected, do I have to denounce him as an individual? Anybody that tells me I would have to can go ... .
by PrinceCA 2008-03-14 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

accepting everything you say, politically speaking, Obama does need to do something big here. A Romney like speech on religion, or even better, a sermon of his own on healing in that same church.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Brilliant idea. He's specialized in making a lot of rebuttals without doing press conferences, and a speech in that church talking about America's future and repudiating hate might help a great deal.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 12:02PM | 0 recs
Amen!

Barack Obama handled this exactly the way I'd want him to.

He made me proud.

"He's like an old uncle who sometimes says things I don't agree with."

Yep. I have an uncle or two like that. They're good men who've gone a little bat shit.

I wouldn't vote for a man who'd throw that uncle under the bus to save a political career.

BO acted like a hero. People who are pushing this BS should reject and denounce all of their grandparents  and uncles with ugly beliefs right now in this thread or STFU.

by luckymortal 2008-03-14 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Are you serios? You can not choose your parents or relations. However, you very well can choose the church that you attend.

IMO, when you attend a church for over 20yrs, tithe/donate to them $20k in 2006, have the minister involved in the most important events of a family i.e perform marriage vows, baptize yourself/kids, bless house then that means to me that you support the theology of that churh, that you support the teachings of that church and you believ in what your minister is espousing.

I am not a catholic and i could not attend a catholic church for 20yrs as I do not believe that Mary should play a central role, i don't believe in their doctrine and many other things tht the catholic churh represents same goes for Jehovah Witnesses etc.

I've been to several christian churches when I moved trying to find a church that suited me and my family and I can tell after 3-4 and even sometimes one visit that that church is not the one for me. It could be based on a dead choir, it could be based on the views espoused by the minister etc.

I just don't buy that you can be associated with someone for so long (he's publicly said that he advises him, his book name is from his sermon, he consulted and prayed with him beforehe announced) and have this minister involved in all of the most inportant steps/events in your life if you didn't believe in many of the things that he has preached about or said.

This is a warning and we dems need to wake up.  your comment defies logic.

by shark 2008-03-14 12:18PM | 0 recs
Should every Catholic leave the church....

because priests molest kids? What would you like him to do that he already hasn't done? My guess is that it doesn't matter what he does you and the hillarypublicans won't be satisfied.

by Erik 2008-03-14 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Should every Catholic leave the church....

This argument would never stand up in court.  No one is saying that all of the UCC churchs and minsters should be condemned. I am saying that if there was evidence that my priest had shown a proclivity to little boys or if he were stupid enough to announce that he loves little boys, that he loves touching little boys, you bet your butt, that I would be out of that church faster than you can bat an eye.

Rev. Wright has lots of sermons out there espousing hate for American and White people. This is a fact! Why would someone continue to stay there when the preacher's views are not hidden and the minister is quite audacious himself.

Ask yourself that question.

This is beyond troubling and Obama MUST address this and do it now.  Staements from his pr guy won't do and one question from a PA reporter won't do as well.  If Mitt Romney was subjected to weeks adn weeks of talk about his religion and if he had to address it, why should BO get a pass?

I don't agree with the Mormon religion but most of those teachings were of the past.  Here we have Rev. J Wright opining hate right up to Jan 2008!

by shark 2008-03-14 12:44PM | 0 recs
Wow, the Democrats are toast in November...

if this thread is any indication.

This is ugly ugly shit people, wake up.

I've intended to be a peacemaker here, but this thread is just outrageous, so let me just get this out there, and if anyone wants to have a discussion (which I doubt) then I'm willing to apologize if I'm wrong, but--

I thought Democrats had real discussions. Not violent brow beating sessions.

The nature of this campaign has become intolerable. Remember back when this election began, the meme was: "look at all the terrific Democratic candidates!" Em were exciting times to be a liberal.

Where the F*ck did that go?

Here's what I see:

1. People who call themselves progressives willing to throw away their values and side with FOX news because they are blinded by their emotional attachment to their candidate.

2. Dems with a Republican true believer's unwillingness to accept the truth. For example:
--I don't blame her for it, but HRC started the campaign's nastiness.

Accept that folks.

I understand that it was necessary for her to stay in the campaign--her only other option was to quit. THINK ABOUT IT. Barack Obama had no need to go ultra-negative--he had already won! HRC needed a "comeback," remember that? Which leads us to:

3. Republican style cognitive dissonance: Some people here vehemently claim that Barack Obama is the only one playing dirty and then turn around and say it's great that Hillary has played so sh*t-filthy dirty because "we need a fighter." Reality check: this is what it's like to be Republican.

4. Extremely Republican-esque sexist and racist content in this thread. WOW!

5. HRC has already lost the portion of the election determined by the popular vote. Now, to win, her campaign must cast doubt on the "validity" of those democratically held contests and on the candidate who won that election. Her argument must be that the voting part of the "election" is invalid. That is a valid, legal path to victory, yes, but certainly an unseemly one. If you're in Clinton's camp, it is now time for desperate measures and I acknowledge that all is fair in LW&P.

But if the Democratic party casts aside these values: anti-corporate lobbyists, anti war, people-powered politics, democracy rules, and winning without violence...

for any candidate, no matter how "deserving"

then I fear that, whoever the next president,

the neo-con Repubs, with their pandering to patriotism, sexism, scandalism and knee jerk tribalism have already won.

We've simply joined them.

by luckymortal 2008-03-14 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow, the Democrats are toast in November...

This campagin is becoming intolerable. To think of the vile of hate by supporters of both candidates makes me churn.

by PrinceCA 2008-03-14 11:56AM | 0 recs
Both CANDIDATES! I agree

As an Obama supporter, I will admit that my post was biased.

Especially after the hate-filled Republican spew I've read in this thread.

But I will admit, both campaigns have gotten way out of line.

by luckymortal 2008-03-14 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Both CANDIDATES! I agree

What are you talking about???  Both????? Don't you know it's always Clinton's fault when Obama makes a gaffe.  I am sick of St. Obama, thanks to the moronic supporters who are no different than the dumb and blind right wing nuts!

by tiffany 2008-03-14 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow, the Democrats are toast in November...

Well, well, well, what crap you are writing here.  Can you believe the hypocrisy, Obama has been saying for a year republican talking points and those at dailykos, moveon.org and other places have mouthed republican crap about Clinton all this time, but now the worm has turned on Obama and it denounced.  Just yesterday Oberfart and those prasing his loud and obnoxious remarks lecturing Hillary Clinton about the remarks of Geraldine Ferraro and how reprehensible they were blah, blah,blah and now that the spotlight is turned on this garbage you claim such offense.  I say that you should have been offended by the remarks about Clinton but no, you repeated those scurelous things and attacked her with fervor, relishing the hate politics will zeal.  Now you feel the effect of that kind of thing being done to your candidate and it doesn't feel so good.  Live with it I say because we who support Clinton have been living with this garbage trash talk for a very long time and I did not see any Obama supporters defend her at all.  In fact they used the same language about her, so welcome to the hot house.  No deal, you didn't defend her, I sure don't defend him.  No way.

Generational?  That is Obama's excuse,  he says his pastor's comments are generational with black folk,. how disgusting is that?  As if Obama was raised on the south side of Chicago, which he certainly was not, having attended a private school in Hawaii, then gone to Harvard.  Obama is no street black man and has no black experience to relate to and yet, this is the church he attends and the man he looks up to for spiritual guidance?  Really?

by democrat voter 2008-03-14 05:08PM | 0 recs
Uncle Sam
My name id Old Glory, John my friend to the right is a War Hero. He and his Uncle Sam have a few questions for you Barack Obama. Please do us the courtesy of meeting us out back this fall!
"God-Damn" Who????
by BCpuppy 2008-03-14 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Uncle Sam

Yeah, McCain would body slam Obama on the question of who is more patriotic.  And right now that isn't a big issue to Americans but it could become one by November..

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Uncle Sam

He and his Uncle Sam have a few questions for you Barack Obama. Please do us the courtesy of meeting us out back this fall!
"God-Damn" Who????

Um.... You do get that Obama didn't say that, right? Obama said he thanked god for John F Kennedy, who made it possible for his father to come to America, so that Barack Obama could be born an American.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-14 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama
The fact most commenters seem to defend a FOX story is the only illustration I need that this primary has gone on for too long.
And it is not like Todd is particularly sympathetic to Obama. Au contraire.
by Benjaminomeara 2008-03-14 12:00PM | 0 recs
What is going on here?

If a bunch of Democrats on a Democratic blog site can't agree that this is vile stuff, there is zero hope for winning any election, and perhaps we do not deserve to win.  I don't know what is going on here.  It is frightening, it's worse than what the GOP hands out because we're attacking our own so viciously and on the terms they use. What's worse is when it is called to the groups attention, people are actually defending this video.  If this is our party under the stress of a close primary perhaps we are not ready to govern.

by mady 2008-03-14 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: What is going on here?

Amended to say not the video, the original talking points.

by mady 2008-03-14 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: What is going on here?

Let me see if I can explain how I feel. It is not that I defend the video. It is not even that I like Fox. I detest Fox.

However, would I would put to you, my friend, is that the canidacy of HRC and Sen.clinton herself has been watched by a silent group, a group who may have just decided to awaken.

We love that we have a party that has a diverse group of canidates. We celebrate the fact that an AA man and a woman could have arrived so far.

However, we hae seen the biased and double standard that has been meted out to Sen.Clinton. We're tired and don't want to take it any more.

It started for me when HRC won the NH primary.  That night, i had to listen to the detestable Eugene Robinson mused that the Bradley effect may have taken place.  This could repeated by Chuck Todd and by morning was the story.  Sen. Clinton was never lauded for being one of the first women to win a primary. Double standard
Even after it was dispproved that the BE was not at hand, this meme still survived.

Sen. Clinton was bashed and counted out for ST, I had to sit and see Olberman, Robinson and Tweety muse with glee after SC results came in and they hinted at what the exit polling data said.

I can go on and on from how Clinton is pummelled in the debates by male moderators, how she was crucified for her drivers license answered for 3 wks and BO said the same thing in the following debate and it was news for 2 days.

I have had to see her field the hardest questions first for most of the debates. I have had to witness B Obama mimic her policies and her answers in the debate,' I agree with Sen. Clinton...'. It just remined me of how hard women have to work, we have to jump higher, run faster etc to get 1/2 of the credit.

I have had to watch and see the MSM shed the light on every thing that she says, does and not see the same scrutiny given to BO.

I have had to see Sen.Clinton continually reach out to AA, ile State of the Black Union, Mississippi Jefferson jackson dinner and still get no credit even as BO skips it and gives the excuse that he has to campaign.

It just builds and builds and the anger  and disappointment smoulders.

You see, I don't hate Barrack, I don't love Fox news but the irony for me is that I turn to Fox news as they, IMO, has had the most fair election covereage.  I don't watch Fox all the time, it's the news shows,t he discussions and the election coverage that i watch.

Why would I continue to watch Messsnbc when Tweety can announce that he feels a tingle go up his leg when he listens to a BO speech! Why would I support a network who admits to a BO bias, i.e Brian Williams, 'it's hard to remind objective covering this guy'.

I don't have to like the network or the commentator, I just want fair coverage.

This is why you will see and continue tos ee a polarization of voters who support Clinton, imo, towards BO.

This is just my opinion.  BO is a big guy and I'm sure that the Chicago Machine will come to his defense.  I don't support or champion Fox but at least I know with them, they are an equal opportunity trasher.

by shark 2008-03-14 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: What is going on here?

I'm not your friend.  You seem to think these tactics are okay.  That makes you not a Democrat in my book.

by mady 2008-03-14 12:48PM | 0 recs
90% of them aren't real Democrats.

They're Freepers pretending to support Clinton.

If she were to win the primary, they'd be back in Freeperville getting their Vince Foster diaries primed.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-14 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: What is going on here?

it's only MyDD.  Take it with a grain of salt.  Mostly Hillary dead-enders who will vote for McCain when all is said and done.

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-14 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: What is going on here?

You're right.  Time to get my head in something less corrosive.  Thanks.

by mady 2008-03-14 05:02PM | 0 recs
It's called vetting...

...and it has barely begun! Geez! Gimme a break! Obama has nothing going for him except a nice speaking style and Axelrod doing a great job of packaging Obama for the media and smearing Hillary. It's disgusting! It reeks! I can't stand the freaking double standard!

What in the hell do you think the media would do to Hillary if she had belonged to a racist church for 20 years? She wouldn't even be a candidate, people! Get real!

Obama is from the anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian far left. You can hear that in Rev. Wright's rants and in Michele Obama's speeches and interviews like the one the New Yorker did recently (linked, below). Obama's first mentor was the communist Frank Marshall Davis. Anyone naive enough to think the GOP will ignore this? (Link, below)

And then, there's Obama's pitiful record in Chicago and the US Senate. All we need are the facts and it becomes abundantly clear that Obama has no chance in the GE. That being the case, it's imperative we have the truth now so we can nominate the best candidate to win in November.

Obama mentor [Frank Davis] identified as communist
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/reada rt.cgi?ArtNum=216701

Profiles: The Other Obama: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/ 03/10/080310fa_fact_collins?printable=tr ue

by Nobama 2008-03-14 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Are you kidding?? It's about time the media starts to examine, unveil and tell the people the truth about Obama.  If they had done their job and the bloggers had had some integrity and honesty, Obama would not have been in this mess.  He would have been vetted a long time ago.  I am sick of blaming the Clintons for everything.  I will now hold accountable MSNBC, HUFFPO, AMERICABLOG, Andrew Sullivan, DKOS and J Marshall and many so called journalists.  They are all ex Republicans and they do not give a damn about the Democratic party.  They are to blame, not Clinton!!!!The Dems will lose in NOV, thanks to thos e morons!!!!

by tiffany 2008-03-14 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Obama was to be the anti-racial candidate, the great uniter, the guy who could bring all Americans together. A Great American Dr King, dreamed of an America where people would be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. Then there is Pastor Wright, who does not judge anyone by the content of their character, ONLY by the color of their skin. And he would judge me only by the color of my skin. This great country is made up of people whose ancestors were from all over the world. We come in many colors. We want to only be judged by the content of our character. Racists come in all colors, and racism is unacceptable no matter what color mouth it comes out of!

by pangurdubh 2008-03-14 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

You know I think a lot of the people contrasting this with King need to read some of Kings speeches and seromons post "I have a Dream" the man wasn't all America is the land of Puppies and Unicorns.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-14 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Why is it that when someone actually does a real story related to Obama, rather than some puff piece claiming he's the messiah, that we are supposed to get all upset and start boycotting and protesting? It's called vetting, folks. And if it isn't done now, when it should be, it will most certainly get played non-stop in the GE after Obama has been allowed to slide by.

I also think it's interesting that some are only concerned when the press does an unfavorable story on Obama. They yawn and make excuses when blatant misogyny and hate is directed toward Clinton.

Sorry, boys, I'm not going to play. Real progressives get upset and take action against sexism, even if it doesn't benefit their preferred candidate. They also get upset with their preferred candidate when they use blatant misogyny and race-baiting to win. For 40+ years, male liberals have expected women to be front and center out supporting their causes. But strangely enough, few of them can be bothered when our rights are in the balance. This election has been a real revelation to me. Frankly, I've had it. You'll have to continue playing your games alone. I won't be there to help.

by CognitiveDissonance 2008-03-14 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

How does this help Obama????

by GregNYC 2008-03-14 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Is this the chickens coming home to roost?  Get used to it.  This is what should have been going on all along.  He got a free ride.  Now he has to pay the piper.  

by Jane Austen 2008-03-14 01:21PM | 0 recs
Down your path: madness

For those claiming that Fox news is legitimate "vetting" be very aware of what you're asking for:

You're asking for this campaign to get dirtier, less issue oriented and less about the substantive qualifications to be the president...

Not better.

You are asking for a Republican style tribal popularity contest where the issues are irrelevant because a candidate knows somebody who said something.

Well,

IF you get your way, then Hillary is going to finally get "vetted" too. When M.Lewinsky comes back up, and we start hearing about Bill and Hillary's background, real-estate deals, tax returns, "protesting the US while on foreign soil!!!!" and who has Bill been sleeping with since he left office (?) (because we're already seeing the wing-nuts salivating over it) and on and on and on.

HRC has not received a presidential candidate's full FOx news "vetting" yet either, only the tip of a very ugly ice-berg. If you don't believe that then you either know nothing about political campaigns and why people use negative campaigning or you're lying to yourself.

And when you legitimize fox news lies and propaganda as "vetting" who's going to take your boy who cried wolf tears seriously when we're hearing about Hillary's lesbian lover said about men or Bill's new catch or whatever insignificant lies they make up?

This is the Democratic party is losing its credibility....

by luckymortal 2008-03-14 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

I've watched the video and I still won't sign it. If I remember, there is a movie that the right wing nuts are trying to get put out on Hillary that has attacks from Dick Morris, Hannity, Mike Levine and Coulter. Hillary has gone to court to stop it's distribution.

Where were the progressives to stop the distribution of that movie? Where were the blogs led by their male owners leading the charge to support Hillary in her fight?
Where were they, I ask! :crickets!

by shark 2008-03-14 02:29PM | 0 recs
No, you don't understand
Monica, real estate deals, Rose Law Firm, tax returns, etc- this is old news, that has been investigated for 10 years by Republicans and a special prosecutor, and has already been "vetted" and easily refuted. Everyone knows about Monica, because the right wing never stopped talking about her.
That's what vetting is, and Hillary's already been through the worst the Republicans could throw at her husband during his presidency, and her last 8 years as Senator.
Obama has never been subjected to this type of scrutiny.
by skohayes 2008-03-14 02:30PM | 0 recs
Crying Wolf to Us

Good luck but don't expect a lot of sympathy from the Hillary supporters. At least sympathy/support expressed toward progressive bloggers.

Most of you stood silent while the MSM went after her.Worse, many of you gleefully piled on along with them.

We kept telling you that it would hit Obama but you refused to listen. Instead you drank the Kool Aid that he was "different" and the MSM also wanted a "Democratic Reagan."

So you don't dare guilt trip us about how we don't belong at a "democratic blog." Most of us have been fighting a two front war defending Hillary from the onslaught powered both by progressives and the right. That doesn't make us any less of a democratic.

Moreover, Obama has to deal with his relationship to Wright. His history of playing the race card in the campaign is not going to make it easy for him. But it has to be done. Telling Fox News etc. to "shut up" won't work the same way it did with the Hillary supporters. You can't simply troll rate them away.

by cath 2008-03-14 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

This is second day I've read this site, and my first post.

It makes me sad.

A couple of moths ago I was a contented neutral democrat. We had all great candidates, and we were going to take everything back.

I'd been a clinton supporter through everything, at least until the Marc Rich Pardon. That did cause me to doubt myself.

However the ugly and dishonest scorched-earth tactics by the Clinton campaign and the inexplicable endorsement of them by you folks just baffles me.

She has so destroyed herself- with your help- in the eyes of people like myself, I can't imagine her winning the general.

Now you and she want to destroy our remaining chance, and forever give up the courts, forever become the nation of torture? All because Hillary is more important than those things?

by wrb 2008-03-14 03:57PM | 0 recs
Enough already

In a word (or two) grow up.

There have been little - or really no - ugly scorched-earth tactics in this primary. Take a look at some great Digby posts on what 2004 looked like when Kerry/Gephardt went after Dean. Though I must say that Keith Oblberman's "special comment" and the blog swarm on Hillary and her supporters comes the closest.

However, there has been an innumerable number of complaints that any criticism of Obama is a "scorched-earth" tactic. Too often that belief is accompanied by either the insinuation or outright accusation that these attacks are racially motivated.

Carry this approach into the general and the Party will get killed. Now who doesn't care about the courts or torture?

by cath 2008-03-14 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Enough already

?

Watch the video that starts this thread, and then read the comments that support it- from nominative Democrat (I don't know maybe this is a Rush created spoof site).

Are you still willing to defend your comment?

by wrb 2008-03-14 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

Yeah, I'm a little sympathically-challenged right now. Candidate Obama has been the recipient of a media love-fest, while Clinton has been called every name in the book, from bitch to c*** (See Digby writing about "Citizens United Not Timid). Somehow I missed the petition you were passing around when she was getting crapped on. She's constantly been called on to drop out, been ridiculed and stomped on, told she is only where she is because her husband fooled around.

What do you guys want? Barack Obama associated with this guy for 20 years. Wright said what he said. Nobody forced him to say it. Barack knew what he was about. The man says horrible, inflammatory things. And you want us to sign a petition about it?

Obama is going to lose this election if he's the nominee. America will get sick on this video. You think people are going to vote for a man whose "spiritual mentor" espouses hate against this country? Seven years after September 11?

Pardon me if I can't stand with you to cover Mr. Obama's butt. He's a grown up. He made his choices. These aren't baseless allegations, they are words on video tape. Why aren't you decrying that horrible preacher for his sexism? For assuming that Hillary Clinton has never experienced discrimination because she is merely a woman?

You Obama supporters are so drunk on your idol worship that you don't even see this wave coming at you. It is already over.

Petition that.

by cc 2008-03-14 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

You sound a bit drunk on idol worship.

How does playing by Rove rules or cozying up to Murdoch get us anywhere meaningfully better?

by wrb 2008-03-14 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

idol worship?  Please.  What we do know is that Hillary Clinton is death to the Democratic Party.

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-14 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

No Clinton is the democratic party.  and that is the truth, you who know so little about politics.  Obama deserves these attacks because he will not repute the man Wright and because frankly, he has said these same things when it comes to Iraq.  He is part of the blame America first crowd, and the far left in this country, they never win national elections precisely because of this kind of thing.  Obama has expressed the same kind of thoughts but in less inflammatory language when he blames America for the Iraq war, saying we were wrong to have done it, and need to retreat from the foreign policies of Bush, but he insists on blaming America for it, instead of finding a way to be against the war without being against America, and he is wrong to say the things he does about foreign policy with such a naive and left point of view.  Americans do not want to be wrong, responsible for criminal charges etc, and with his positions we could actually be charged in international court.

Obama is responsible for his spiritual adviser at least as much as Clinton is for one of her fund raisers Ferraro, and he should have never had this man on his spiritual and political campaign in the first place, and Obama very well knew this going in and did nothing to keep this from happening by keeping Wright on his campaign staff.  The Obama supporters and Kieth Oberfart had plenty to say about that, this stinks of hypocrisy.  You Obama supporters continue to bring up this trash about Clinton at the same time you expect support for going after anyone for being against Obama.  Well, you don't deserve it at all.  You have spent (even above in comments), time and energy trashing Clinton with the most vile republican talking points, and Clinton has been a democrat longer than most of Obama supporters have even been alive.  Give me a break, you don't deserve any support on this issue, what a bunch of cry babies you are.  Real democrats do support Hillary and in fact more democrats support Clinton than Obama, Obama gets a lot of his support from kids, college kind, but not all support him, many do support Clinton, AA community who don't even realize that Obama's positions would actually be worse for then than Clinton's especially on health care, because Obama will never help them get universal health care because he doesn't even support it. And far left anti-war and latte types who are progressive when it suits them but not necessarily democrats, who are not all so far left.  The actual base of the democrat party does support Clinton, not Obama, and those far left party types like Bill Bradley, Kerry, Kennedy, who have no love for Clinton because they are jealous of both Clintons because they have consistently won, where the far left never wins national elections.  Movements do not win elections.  The base of the democratic party must support our candidate this fall or we cannot win the White House, that base supports Clinton, not Obama and all your hate filed posts aside, Clinton could and would represent the democratic base a hellofa lot better than the snake oil salesman rhetoric of Obama's.  Here is a man who blithely says he passed legislation protecting people from nuclear discharge, but the truth is he a. didn't even get the legislation passed, and b. before that he watered it down to suit the executives that backed him from the nuclear industry into not much more than a request to notify in the case of discharge.

All the rhetoric of Obama's is so much hot air, he doesn't even believe it himself, its a smoke and mirrors type of thing, yet 91% of the AA community is overlooking their own self interest because of the color of his skin.  That to me is the real tragedy, that Obama and the perverted media has convinced them that either of the Clintons are racist, but blatant sexism is not only tolerated but promoted.

by democrat voter 2008-03-14 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Attacks: Obama

How many petitions did you sign to stop the Hillary bashing...which by the way is still going on...? I will not sign your petition. It is refreshing to see BO getting some heat for a change! And I hope NBC joins in before it's too late! susanclare...Hillary is the change we really need!!!!!!!!!!

by susanclare 2008-03-14 05:44PM | 0 recs

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