Mississippi Results Thread

Here are the results:

√ Barack Obama: 151,655 votes (57 percent)
Hillary Clinton: 107,309 votes (41 percent)

68 percent of precincts reporting (10:26 PM Eastern)

Tags: Democratic primaries, mississippi primary (all tags)

Comments

177 Comments

Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Heh...15 votes apart right now (3354-3339; 49% each).  Too bad it won't last long.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

And now she's ahead by 36 votes!

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I won't be able to keep this up...now she's ahead by 600 or so.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:03PM | 0 recs
wtf

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by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: wtf

Well, Obama back on top now.  It was fun while it lasted.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: wtf

how do you insert graphics ?

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Re: wtf

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by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: wtf

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Take out the x's, and there you go

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-11 06:07PM | 0 recs
that was funny.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:34PM | 0 recs
I would LOVE to see EGG all over CNN;s FACE !!!!!!

Go Clinton, Go!

by earthoat 2008-03-11 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Oh my g**, what???

by inFlorida 2008-03-11 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

They're counting the racist votes first.

by swarty 2008-03-11 05:05PM | 0 recs
MS democrats are NOT racist

that's my neck of the woods you're dissing.

by earthoat 2008-03-11 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: MS democrats are NOT racist

That was a joke aimed at the Ferrarro comments from today.

A little too obtuse. Sorry about that.

As a penance, GO OLE MISS!!

by swarty 2008-03-11 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Same reason he wasn't in Wisconsin when he trounced her there.

Like a shark, he keeps moving.

by swarty 2008-03-11 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Clinton was in PA yesterday.  Have to join the fray, after all.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

another interesting thing to note is the geographic split -- NE Mississippi counties going for Clinton hard; Clinton & Obama splitting the Gulf Coast vote; Obama racking it up in the Delta. Nothing from Jackson yet although obviously it will go heavily for Obama. big question: what happens in Rankin & DeSoto?

by blueflorida 2008-03-11 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Rankin going for BO it seems so far

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

yes, this is quite surprising, making Rankin anomalous among MS counties with 70%+ white voting age population.

by blueflorida 2008-03-11 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Gap seems to be closing a little, from what I see.  DeSoto is going to Obama, though.

Also, isn't Jackson Co. (Pascagoula) is predominantly white too, right?  Obama's winning there comfortably it seems.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

DeSoto is going to CLinton.  My mistake.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Hinds is voting for Obama 82%-18%; Rankin also favoring Obama which is a surprise.

by blueflorida 2008-03-11 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Relax, it's only 4% in. Obama will win by about 20%.

by RJEvans 2008-03-11 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Well, I wouldn't go that far.  She has a good shot at keeping this within 10-15 points.

by RussTC3 2008-03-11 05:27PM | 0 recs
just the geographical split

Remember MO?

by ann0nymous 2008-03-11 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Universal - I see you're a regular on Hillaryis44.org. Do you reject and denounce the racist and hateful statements made on that board?

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Can we have a reports thread that does not devolve into calling Universal a racist? This is tiresome.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

This is not the place to be working out your issues with race in this campaign.

by souvarine 2008-03-11 06:27PM | 0 recs
Sexism too

From CNN exit poll:

"Was gender of candidate important to you?"
YES = 27%
  Of these people, Obama won 68%, Clinton 32%
NO = 70%
  Of these people, Obama won 55%, Clinton 45%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari es/results/epolls/index.html#MSDEM

FWIW -

"Was race of candidate important to you?"
YES = 30%
  Of these people, Obama won 62%, Clinton 38%
NO = 67%
  Of these people, Obama won 57%, Clinton 42%

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-11 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Just about everywhere urban minority districts report last

by CardBoard 2008-03-11 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

larger number of votes

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-11 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

also voting equipment disparity. dont get me started on this..

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

to clarify-- it is not a shortage of equipment, it is different equipment.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Don't try to hang it all on city folk...them darn rural counties often report just as late if not later.

by blueflorida 2008-03-11 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Honestly- its a race/class thing Urban districts are underfunded so they have 1 machine or counter for every 500 or so while rural areas are more like 1 for every 50.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-11 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Highest vote to staff ratio, I'd guess?

by frankies 2008-03-11 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Much bigger volumes than rural counties where you might have 500 voters.

by goodnbad 2008-03-11 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

highest number of voters per district, I guess.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Oh Noes Barack can't get the Klan vote, I'm truly shocked. Also he got southern White Men in the one flippable southern state (VA).

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-11 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

is that white voters?

I could read that as AA supporting the AA candidate.
Same with the gender question.
Effects are washing out.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I thought these Southern states didn't matter because they wouldn't go Democratic in the Fall anyways?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Yeah, I found that very funny actually! A HUUUUUUGE problem! As if any Democrat ever won the Southern White vote!

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:12PM | 0 recs
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did...

...But I guess you weren't looking for historical references.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did...

Clinton won 4 southern states, Arkansas and Tennessee (where he and his VP were from), and GA/LA as I recall.  He would most likely have lost all four if Perot hadn't been in the race.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did...

uh..I dont think he would have lost Arkansas. The other three were within the margin in 1992, but alas, Perot was there so we cannot know how hard Clinton might have worked for any souther pickups absent a perturbing Perot.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:12PM | 0 recs
Only the ones that win in Nov. do (n/t)

by ineedalife 2008-03-11 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

is ahead at 5% of precincts

by carbocation 2008-03-11 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

IMO from you = wtf.

He said that the campaigns shouldn't be part of the solution finding and that seems very reasonable approach to me. If you have to change the rules mid-game, which you shouldn't in the first place, you can't really let the players make up the new rules!

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:18PM | 0 recs
More stalling; less solutions...

...The Clinton camp still has $15 million on the table for a re-vote.  The Obama camp has a table full of excuses.

Makes me wonder if Sen. Obama wants all votes to count.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: More stalling; less solutions...

Does it really?

If Obama had won those states, would you feel the EXACT same way?

Thanks.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-11 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: More stalling; less solutions...

yes. excluding 2 critical states in a tight nomination race makes us look like asshats.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: More stalling; less solutions...

She didn't put anything on the table, her lobbyist friends did. That's a joke.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:32PM | 0 recs
A Little More Stalling Here...

...Clinton's team and surrogates are offering solutions to the Florida & Michigan problem.

The Obama camp?

Nothing but excuses.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: A Little More Stalling Here...

What excuses?

They've said it's between the DNC and the state parties.  It is.

They've said they'll abide by any arrangement the relevant parties come up with.

That's all that's needed, and any more is frankly obstructionist.

by Rorgg 2008-03-11 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: More stalling; less solutions...

When your only hope of winning the nomination comes by essentially throwing every single vote in every single state out the window ruins the credibility of that argument.

by falseintellect 2008-03-11 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: More stalling; less solutions...

boo. cant say the rules are the rules and then bitch that the rules for supers are unfair.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

This racial split is going to fracture our party for a generation.

by americanincanada 2008-03-11 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

the racial split in MS isn't indicative of the divide across the country.

by LiberalFL 2008-03-11 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

This racial divide has been apparant in many states though...and this race in particular is shining a very bright spotlight on it.

by americanincanada 2008-03-11 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

What states?  And why is that a problem for our party?

Seriously, are you really seeing this for the first time?  You weren't aware before?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Love, LBJ.

This just in:  Race HAS been a dividing factor for awhile.  And having a candidate with the audacity to be black isn't going to make it worse.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-11 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

What racial split?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

That's quite a conclusion you're drawing from one state's results, isn't it?

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 05:53PM | 0 recs
Independents in MS break for Clinton

Over at Ben Smith, he's noting exit polls that show a large majority of indys and, more importantly, republicans are breaking for Clinton. Most people on that blog are arguing that the Republicans are following Limbaugh's advice...

They're probably right, but I had a thought: maybe Mississippi is one of the only states where disaffected republicans would genuinely vote for hillary clinton because they want her. I know that sounds weird, and its just a gut reaction, but imagine you're a white southern republican (i know its hard, go with it...and by southern, you know what I mean. Not metropolitan or South Floridian). You aren't making money cause the economy sucks, and the republicans havent come through on any of their promises to enforce mandatory church attendance or whatever they were going for in 2004. Abortion is still legal and people in some parts of the country can still get gay married.

You don't like the Republicans anymore, but being a white deep south republican, while you're ready to vote Dem, you can't (won't) vote for a black man (sad I know, but kinda true).

Isn't Clinton the logical choice?

**Im not saying Clinton is racist or courting those votes in any way, just a thought I thought I'd throw out there**

by LiberalFL 2008-03-11 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Independents in MS break for Clinton

Do you actually take yourself seriously with all that spin? do you still know where up and down is?

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Independents in MS break for Clinton

A credible article in the Dallas Morning News that kind of puts holes in
the theories that many Republicans voted for Hillary in the Texas primary last
Tuesday helping her to beat Obama.

"Backers of both Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton turned out with
passionate support for their candidate in last week's Texas primary. But once
they got in the voting booth, they did something different.

Obama supporters were more likely to vote in the presidential race and then skip
the other contests than Clinton supporters, who tended to continue voting down
the ballot, a Dallas Morning News analysis finds."

Further:

" Although some conservative talk show hosts had urged Republicans to cross over
and vote for Mrs. Clinton in order to keep the contest going, there was little
evidence that happened.

According to exit polls, only 9 percent of Democratic voters statewide
identified themselves as Republicans, and they went for Mr. Obama, 53 percent to
46 percent."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/
dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030908dnpoldem voters.3a5249f.html

and more county by county stats here:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent

by mcctx 2008-03-11 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Independents in MS break for Clinton

Sorry, here is the link for the comment above:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/ dws/news/dmn/stories/030908dnpoldemvoter s.3a5249f.html

by mcctx 2008-03-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Independents in MS break for Clinton

wow. thanks for the post. kinda puts that party building argument on its head.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Universal: so you reject quotes like this:

"Bambi has two more states to really push his whole bullsh*t, race-politics agenda: Tonight (MS) and North Carolina. And then -- poof -- expect him to play the `who, me, talk about race?' card. It's horsebleep."

"Ann -- Eff BHO."

"AND we get to talk politics and about the patheticness of Bambi."

"`Bama -- you've taken this whole `dual standard race card' BS campaign as far as you can. And who knows,
our Party (well, actually our Party + a lot of jag-off GOPers and malicious Indys) might be stupid enough to give you the nom. Whoop-de-do."

"Obama tinfoil hat wearers -- your moment is about to
end, so soak it up while you can. You and your `bargainer' (Shelby Steele's term) chump vassal are about to return to Earth at terminal velocity, one way
or another. Many, many Dems are seriously pissed off with your garbage Jesse Jackson, Jr-led tactics, and there is going to be Hell to pay, that you can count on. The Jim Jones Kool-Aid convention is about to end, and not a moment too soon."

sound familiar?

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

So you stand behind your hateful statements, saying there will be "hell to pay" and your derogatory insults against independent voters? You don't think broadly insulting comments and "f*ck Bambi" are "extreme views"?

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

jeez. i think you're in denial.

i'm embarrased that a progressive need to go to your level.

by alex100 2008-03-11 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Actually, the Jackson quote you're referring to was questioning why Clinton's own campaign brought her to tears, but not the devastation and subsequent bungling of Hurricane Katrina (or the Iraq war, which she voted for). I haven't seen any commentary that Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comments were taken as racial in the least. His South Carolina statement about Jesse Jackson winning the primaries so many years ago there was edging up to the line - its not the candidate, its apparently the fact that he's black - and while it wasn't well thought out, I don't think it was racist, just short-sighted and myopic. Ms. Ferarro is apparently going to be the one that plays the race card on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

And yes, your comments are extreme and beyond the pale. I see little difference between your comments - disparaging, divisive, insulting and reactionary - and the other comments on Hillaryis44.org.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

And yes, I do understand that the race card can be played by anyone. Geraldine Ferarro was a perfect demonstration of how Democrats are not immune from race-bating tactics, dismissal of an individual's accomplishments because of their skin color, and playing the us against them game that only serves to divide a multicultural nation.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Well, I tried finding some "race card" comments coming from the Obama camp. This is the closest thing I could find from Jesse Jackson:

"(The Clinton camp)resorted to distasteful and condescending language that appeals to our fears rather than our hopes. I sincerely hope that they'll turn away from such reactionary, disparaging rhetoric."

How is that playing the race card? Do you have any specific quotes you'd like to share that clearly illustrate Obama's campaign playing the race card on the level of Ms. Ferarro?

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Continued ignorance of our community.  You really should consider stop talking about a huge portion of the campaign that you clearly have no understanding of.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Oh really?  And where exactly does this deep understanding stem from?  I'm certainly not picking up on any of it.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I responded to the Jackson comment. I didn't see any racial commentary - he was questioning her sincerity, yes, but I saw not one word about race. He also mentioned the Iraq war in addition to Katrina and other situations that have "devastated the American people". I don't see a clincher here.

Re: Sharpton, his actual quote was this: "The Rev. Al Sharpton yesterday said the Democratic Party would commit a "grave injustice" if it seated delegates from Florida and Michigan at the party's national convention - and he threatened a march on the party's Washington headquarters...Sharpton told The Post, "I think the DNC is playing a dangerous game . . . [and could] open the door here for everything from litigation to demonstration." Not that there would be protests if Obama wasn't the nominee - that there would be protests if the DNC sat the FL and MI delegates as-is. Where's the race card in that? I've heard many people say the same exact thing, black and white, and its due to the fact that those primaries were declared invalid and Obama wasn't even on the MI ticket.

Rep. Wilder said much the same thing: "predicting riots in the streets if the Clinton campaign were to overturn an Obama lead through the use of superdelegates." Not that there would be riots if Obama wasn't the nominee - that there would be riots if the electoral procedure was hijacked by superdelegates who supercede the popular vote majority and delegate lead. And while it may be a bit extreme to predict riots, there will certainly be protests, as well there should be. There should be protests if any nominee with the majority of the popular vote and the awarded delegates is stripped of the nomination through back room dealing.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

So you purposefully misrepresented both men's statements to try to make a point. So far all you have is Jackson's comment on Katrina (and the Iraq war, but you're also purposefully ignoring that as well). You can call out Jackson all day on questioning Clinton's sincerity, I'll give you that one - but no, I think saying he pulled the race card by mentioning Katrina is really, really, really stretching a statement to make it fit your point.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

It wasn't "Team Obama".  Black folks said this stuff themselves.  Our blogs said it.  Our papers said it.  Our radio stations said it.  Our churches and businesses and families and friends and co-workers said it.

It wasn't from all these stupid sources that all the whiners on the progressive blogs want to point to.  That may be where you first heard these criticisms, but that wasn't where the Black community first heard these criticisms.

And you know what comment it all started with?  Go on, guess...  Cause I never hear it mentioned in the list of 'outrages' and race baiting claims from clueless people claiming to know so much about our community and what we think.  

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

The fact that you keep mentioning Jesse Jackson is pretty indicative of your level of understanding of the Black community and where exactly we're getting our news and political commentary.  

Seriously, you're showing a very sort of 'outside in' sense of things here, with references to people and news stories that were big around the blogs and the MSM, but very minor things whithin the Black community.  Before you go off declaring what race baiting the Obama campaign has been doing, you might want to have some grasp of what the people supposedly being baited were hearing and reacting to.

This stuff is just totally clueless, almost as bad as the totally manufactured outrage over the stuff with Smiley.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Well, apparently what Jackson meant wasn't clear, because I'm really having a hard time parsing that you're willing to back up some pretty rotten and malicious statements against a huge number of people on the basis of the fact that Jackson dropped Katrina when he was questioning Clinton's on-stage crying sincerity. In fact, out of all those quotes, I didn't see one against Jackson himself - its all directed at Senator Obama himself, his supporters, independent voters, and republicans.

If you really want to call out Jackson for what you think Katrina represents - among the horrific plight of the poor and mostly black residents there, Katrina also represents massive government ineptitude, corruption, lack of forethought, and shock that something like that could happen in our country, to our people - then fine, but don't be so desperate to cast the first stone and justify an increasingly vitrolic and unreasonable narrative by using it as your proof.

You purposefully misuse statements from the other examples, and then disregard the individuals out of hand rather than even admitting you're flat out misrepresenting statements to justify your words. That combined with the Jackson statement doesn't lead me to believe your interpretation of Jackson's words or intentions. I'm not sure how that's naivety.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

To summarize many of Universal's posts/discussions:

"Some survey says white people won't vote for BHO, so we better not vote for him."

-- Gee Universal, that smacks of racism --

"HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM!  I'm going to reach through that monitor and kick your ass!"

by Timetheos 2008-03-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I learned from the pro: you ;-)

by Timetheos 2008-03-11 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Geraldines comments were not off base especially if you look at the way the Edwards campaign came to an end.  Honestly, like Edwards wife said, "I can't make my husband black or a woman."  Its true. What sucks is if it were Edwards vs McCain. Edwards WINS walking away.  However, now we will have another close race because of our 2 possible nominees.

by nzubechukwu 2008-03-11 05:25PM | 0 recs
I knew they'd go after Geraldine
a great, great  democrat.  I'll never forget that a*hole George Bush's comment that he "kicked a little ass" after her debate with him.
Her words do not come out of nowhere.
by earthoat 2008-03-11 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

There's nothing great about Geraldine's comments whatsoever. Flat out saying that Senator Obama would never be where he is today if he wasn't a black man is about the most obvious statement of racism to come out of Clinton's camp so far. It was designed to pander to white voters who feel that being black in America gives you benefits that aren't available to white people. Its hatemongering.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

I checked out that video and her own words were that she was responding to a question posed to her - why is Barack Obama in the position he is in now, with all the delegates and all the support? Her response was, "Because he's black".

That's ridiculous. I would be offended if a someone associated with the Obama campaign said that the only reason Clinton is in the position she is in right now is because she's a woman. To hear something like that come out of Geraldine Ferarro's mouth is absolutely abhorrent.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

You can find it abhorrent, but you've got to admit that there is at least a parcel of truth to the thesis.

by NJ Liberal 2008-03-11 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

Actually, no I don't. I don't see how being black in American is some kind of advantage. I think that reducing someone's achievements to the color of their skin, or their gender, is divisive and bigoted.

Senator Obama wouldn't be where he is today unless he worked hard. Period.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

uh huh. and a CLINTON is drawing only 10% of AA support because Obama worked hard.

What is so wrong with being inspired because people are breaking color and gender barriers?

Please.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

Are you seriously calling Ferarro's statements "inspiring"?

Was she being inspiring when she said the exact same thing about Jesse Jackson in 1984?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html

Her exact quote: "If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race".

Once you could possibly argue away - twice is flat out, unashamedly playing the race card in the most disgusting way possible.

He wouldn't be here if he was black.

I am absolutely astonished how you can interpret that as something as completely dismissive of someone's accomplishments solely based on the color of their skin.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

Yep. Clearly I was saying she was inspiring. That is exactly what I said when I called YOU on you assertion that Obama's success is based on hard work. I am not interested in getting into a discussion support or defending Ferraro, but I think you throw race around a little too casually. It is a dfficult issue that our country (ad our party) needs to have a meaningful dialogue about..
I think your comments impede that discussion as much or more than Ferraro's.

It is inflamatory and unwarranted.

by hctb 2008-03-11 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

I absolutely base his success on his hard work. I think that has a far greater impact on where he is today than by simply saying he's black. Her statements completely discount anything about him besides his skin color. The matter of race absolutely warrants a dialog in this country - but Ms. Ferarro's statement was about the furthest thing from a meaningful dialog I've ever seen on the topic.

by upstate girl 2008-03-11 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

what is the hard work? or is it hard work in the abstract. And you are backing off to the same relative argument that Ferraro did-- race plays some portion of his success, hard work plays some portion of his success.

"Her statements completely discount anything about him besides his skin color." I think this is pretty over the top... where are my vapors?

I guess I would feel more sympathy for Obama if he and his campaign were not essentializing Clinton as a First Lady and referring to "the Clintons" in his speeches. Maybe if he didnt dismiss her as a woman I would be more troubled by people dismissing him as a black candidate.

Dont get me wrong, I think they are both dangerous. But anyone who thinks Obama is in this contest just because he is black  or Clinton is in this contest just because she is Bill Clinton's wife will be sorely mistaken. They are both stronger candidates than that...

by hctb 2008-03-12 12:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

I've never, ever heard him or anyone from his camp dismiss her as "just a woman". Please back up your statement with something equatable to Ferraro's comment - something like "Clinton is only where she is because she's a woman" - and I'll concede the point. Fact is, Obama and his camp would get torn apart in the press and rightly so if that occurred. It hasn't.

Clinton is counting her time as First Lady as experience. She's placing the emphasis on that herself willingly - making it a subject of debate. If she was solely campaigning on her time as a Senator, then yes, it would be "essentializing" her in a role. As it stands, its a perfectly legitimate avenue of discussion to determine exactly what kind of experience being a First Lady brings to her candidacy. In that light, its being disingenuous to say that Obama can't use "the Clintons" as a term of address, as she's hinging at least 8 years of her experience as directly tied to her husband's presidency.

"But anyone who thinks Obama is in this contest just because he is black  or Clinton is in this contest just because she is Bill Clinton's wife will be sorely mistaken. They are both stronger candidates than that..." is exactly the point I'm trying to make about Ferarro's comments. She said exactly that. "He wouldn't be in the position he is unless he was black." I'm not sure how you can say that her comments were misinterpreted when you concede that anyone that says what she said is "sorely mistaken".

by upstate girl 2008-03-12 03:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I knew they'd go after Geraldine

amazing how you turn that all around to Obamas victimhood.

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 06:33PM | 0 recs
Geraldine through her reputation

out of the window today.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-11 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

She has a history of making borderline comments.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html

Whatever she means, her words seem to land her in hot water a lot.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

A committee he will control thanks to his pledged delegate lead.. oh the horror!

by carbocation 2008-03-11 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Why are republicans so scared of Barack?!

by PrinceCA 2008-03-11 05:28PM | 0 recs
so scared they've skewed elections in his favor?

by earthoat 2008-03-11 05:29PM | 0 recs
right and Rush Limbaugh

telling Republicans to vote for Clinton is really just code phrase "Vote for Obama"

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 05:49PM | 0 recs
McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

From exit polls:

70%  of those who said neither Clinton nor Obama have a clear plan for the country picked Clinton

74% of those who have a strongly favorable opinion of Mccain picked Clinton

78% of Republicans picked Clinton

25% of those who say that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy picked Clinton

by hankg 2008-03-11 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

25% of those who say that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy picked Clinton

LOL.  Best exit poll stat ever.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-11 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

Hillarious.  

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

The last point must be the talking point of the day! This is great! How could anybody who thinks she is not trustworthy vote for her unless he/she wants to cheat the system. Rush live.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

There's a difference between being the leader of a country and being a minister...  Not that I don't think Clinton's honest&trustworthy, but I wouldn't put that at the top of my priority list in voting for a candidate.  I hope I'm not alone in this, although I suspect I may be :D

by frankies 2008-03-11 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

I get your point. I guess it comes down to what options they offer. If you are pushed to chose between trustworthy and not trustworthy, your point is granted. If you are not pushed, I couldn't see anybody choosing not trustworthy and still voting for her.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

Yeah, who would want to badmouth their candidate... good point.

by frankies 2008-03-11 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

so you would need the comparable rating of the respondent. something like: of respondents who thought both candidates were untrustworthy, x supported Clinton.

Haven't seen anything like that and the data isnt public.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

If they disliked them both so much, they wouldn't get near a polling station you would guess!

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain voters give Hillary a leg up.

It must be somewhat galling to the Repubs that they need to boost Clinton to keep any hope of maintaining the current system alive.

by Carlo 2008-03-11 06:24PM | 0 recs
in your opinion

its is tenable for Obama to concede now, while he has the lead. So really no reason to think you are right about about this one either.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 05:28PM | 0 recs
you know despite

some of the diaries and comments you posted, I really do appreciate your fairly amicable disposition.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Obama by 14% now.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-11 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

African Americans are gerrymandered all throughout the CDs. Only one district (district one, maybe?) is overwhelmingly African American.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-11 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Yep.  So even with a huge blowout he'd still not get much in the way of delegates they way he did elsewhere.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-11 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I thought I read earlier on DD.com that Barack needed to win Mississippi by 66% or more in order for him to brag about trouncing Clinton. Everyone expected Mississippi to go to Barack.  Looks like he's going to miss his opportunity, again, to knock her out of the race.

by zenful6219 2008-03-11 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

?

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:55PM | 0 recs
I am sorry

you say that like she has the lead.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:07PM | 0 recs
erm that was mean for the above comment.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:08PM | 0 recs
With the delegate selection process...

...Winning a state 55% to 45% isn't going to net a lot of delegates.

One needs at least 60% to run up the delegate score.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: With the delegate selection process...

true. That's why Clinton will never be able to catch up with pledged delegates.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: With the delegate selection process...

It's also why it will be almost impossible for Barack to knock Clinton out of the race.

by zenful6219 2008-03-11 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: With the delegate selection process...

Yeah, but nobody expects him to. He is in the lead, remember?

by marcotom 2008-03-11 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: With the delegate selection process...

Yeah, well there is this thing called "closing the deal" and he ain't done that yet.  Also, Sen. Obama, himself, compared Sen. Clinton to the champion and he went on to say that the only way for the challenger to beat the champion was to "knock them out."  Again, he ain't don't it nor will he be able to.

by realtarheel 2008-03-11 06:18PM | 0 recs
I think you finally why

we say Clinton does not really have a prayer.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:03PM | 0 recs
There are several mechanisms...

...In place under the rules for Clinton to contest the nomination at the convention so long as no candidate has the requisite number of delegates to clinch the nod on the first ballot.

You can bitch and whine and moan about Hillary trying to overturn the will of the people, but the fact of the matter is that the Democratic Party is a private organization and we're being nice about it when we allow the public to participate in our nominating process.

Now if Hillary knows the rules and she uses the rules to gain the nomination, you cannot complain about that because we live by the rules and we die by the rules.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: There are several mechanisms...

Whoa, buddy.  Sure, there are ways to manipulate the system so that one or the other is the nominee.  Asking people that supported the other candidate to support such a nominee is a different story altogether (and good luck with any independents looking on).  I optimistically believe that many here would vote for either, but a brokered convention would be the greatest gift that McCain has ever received.  I guarantee the "you can bitch and whine about Hillary trying to overturn the will of the people" line will not win many votes in November.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: There are several mechanisms...

Democrats are not as divided as Michelle Obama and others would like their supporters to believe. The most important thing about this race is Democrats are united on ideology. This struggle is all about personality. Personally, I believe Obama is trying hard to make it about race, but I think that will fail, eventually. I predict, if Clinton wins the nomination at the convention, disgruntled Obama supporters will vote for Clinton in November.

by zenful6219 2008-03-11 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: There are several mechanisms...

Wow, you destroyed your argument in your first sentence.  Congratulations, that takes skill.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: There are several mechanisms...

Wow. How does that make sense?

by marcotom 2008-03-11 06:23PM | 0 recs
Yeah, and when she does not like the rules

she changes them. For example calling for Florida/Michigan to be seated as is, even though they have been, according to the rules, stripped of the delegates.

Live by the rules, dies by the rules my ass.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:14PM | 0 recs
It's not changing the rules...

...When Sen. Clinton calls on the Convention Credentials Committee to seat the delegations from the states of Florida and Michigan.

It is completely in the purview of the Convention Credentials Committee to seat or not seat those two delegations.

Those are the rules.  There are no changes in the rules.  It is simply Sen. Clinton knowing the rules and exercising her rights under the rules to have those two states' voting rights restored.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 06:18PM | 0 recs
Ok,

Lets try this again.

DNC runs the National Convention.
DNC makes the rules for national convention.
DNC stripped FL/MI of their delegates.

So hence by calling to have them seated she attempting to break the rules.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:28PM | 0 recs
You might want to read the rules first...

...Before citing them or making interpretations similar to the ones you just made.

I'd put my knowledge of the rules up against yours any day of the week because I can readily cite any section to back up my claims while you just resort to speculation and conjecture.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 06:43PM | 0 recs
For example, Article Two, Section 2...

...Of the Charter of the Democratic Party of the United States says that "The National Convention shall be the highest authority of the Democratic Party, subject to the provisions of this Charter" meaning that the Democratic National Convention can overturn any decision that the Democratic National Committee makes including the decision to strip the states of Florida and Michigan of their voting rights at the Democratic National Convention.

by Andre Walker 2008-03-11 06:49PM | 0 recs
*sigh*

I looked it up, and yes there is till a way for them to get seated if Credentials Committee votes for it.

So you were right about the letter of the rules.

I maintain however that to do so of course would create a firestorm. It would look to everyone like the Committee is changing the rules to fit Hillary at expense of party unity. I highly doubt that would happen.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok,

Point of Information: the DNC does not run the DNCC-- they are separate and brokered across the national party orgs.. with some ASDC and DGA involvement, I think.

by hctb 2008-03-11 06:52PM | 0 recs
A private organization with which

alot of us can choose not to participate if it fucks around.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-11 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Oh, please, do you honestly believe that any result of Mississipi, even he had won it by 70% or 80% percent would have caused Hillary to abandon the race?

Are you serious?

by Aris Katsaris 2008-03-11 06:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I don't think anyone thought Hillary Clinton would abandon the race based on Mississippi. I believe this primary was all about Obama. If Clinton ends up with 40% or more, I don't think the Obama camp will be too happy.

by zenful6219 2008-03-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

You guys/gals have some really low goal posts these days.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Low goal posts have nothing to do with it. Without going into detail about race and voting, I'd say 40% is about the best Hillary could do.

by zenful6219 2008-03-11 06:24PM | 0 recs
Why do you guys keep

coming up with ridiculous goals for the opponents camp.

You think a 60-40 split makes Obama people unhappy????

For crying out loud, you guys were happy with a 10% in Ohio and 3% in Texas Primary (where she still lost the delegates).

Do you see a double standard here?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Huh?

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:05PM | 0 recs
I am sorry

you say that like she has the lead.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

?

by marcotom 2008-03-11 05:55PM | 0 recs
Sounds like buyer's remorse

by SleepingWillow 2008-03-11 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I do not understand something. Why did the networks take 1:30 minutes to call OH the other night, while they called MS in 10 minutes. Looks like it is going to be around 12 % difference in votes. In OH it was 10 %.

by ann0nymous 2008-03-11 06:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I think CNN got complaints for calling it too early previously. Other stations called it earlier this time.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Simple, in OH the outstanding votes were in the large Urban centers-- places which have enough votes to overturn the results, basically the networks didn't want to get burned like they did in Missouri.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-11 06:35PM | 0 recs
Results Thread

CNN just noted that 13% of the vote tonite in Mississippi is by registered Republicans, and that Clinton is getting 73% of those.

That ought to give us a clue about which candidate the GOP would rather face in November.

by global yokel 2008-03-11 06:08PM | 0 recs
I am assuming Hilary supporters

won't complain about that like they did about how Republican support Obama and thats not fair in a democratic primary.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I am assuming Hilary supporters

Yes, let's hear a rejection and a denunciation on that.  

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:13PM | 0 recs
Are you kidding me???

We got bombarded with Obamacans comments!!! When do you think that term appeared?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
So Republicans for Obama is a myth

Thanks for burying that one. Next myth to go-independents for Obama,

by ann0nymous 2008-03-11 06:14PM | 0 recs
these are Rush Limbaugh Republicans in all

likely hood.

I am basing that on him calling for them to vote for her, so this is not like a fact.

But I do think this the only state Hillary got so many Republicans.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:19PM | 0 recs
So why is she winning Indies in MS?

by ann0nymous 2008-03-11 06:21PM | 0 recs
I have no idea

about MS indy demographics.

But looking over CNN exit poll, I am seeing weird stuff like:

Question:

Opinion of John McCain

For Clinton
Strongly Favorable 73%
Somewhat Favorable 54%

Question:

Vote by Party and Race:
All Republicans 79%

There is no doubt Repubs are tilting this toward Clinton.

Read through the poll
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari es/results/epolls/#MSDEM

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Results Thread

I'm not sure if that's a fair assessment to make...  I've been studying this for some time, trying to figure out who republicans really "want"...  and it flop flops back and forth.  What I can gather is that what they really want is a brokered convention, so they are rooting for whomever is behind.  Right now, Hillary is behind, so any votes for her help the Republican realize a brokered convention.

I'm sure that they would be horrified and some might hang themselves if she actually somehow pulled off sinning the general election, but at the moment, they must feel that risk is very small.  So, it's safe to play around with us... for the moment, anyways!

by LordMike 2008-03-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Just hit 57% Wow.

by PrinceCA 2008-03-11 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

one of the largest counties in teh state, Hinds County is coming in at a 82% clip for Obama. Only 33% reporting thus far.

by alex100 2008-03-11 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Is Obama on the Chris Matthews show tonight???

by PrinceCA 2008-03-11 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Yes, at 10 o'clock. Chris will get to feel the thrill running up his legs when Obama speaks again.

by LadyEagle 2008-03-11 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Obama just hit 58 percent. Not saying that will necessarily hold (will probably end up winning by around 55) but the fact is that he beat her by double digits. Every delegate counts, so even if he only nets 7 delegates, that is more than she won in the Texas primary. And by the way, his Texas caucus victory gave him more delegates out of Texas than her.

by politicalfan 2008-03-11 06:23PM | 0 recs
Who is the idiot

that predicted that we'd only have 125,000-150,000 voters in the primary?  We're already at 230,000 and have 38% more to report.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-11 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Wasn't Todd predicting low turnout?  It looks like the Mississippi Secretary of State's projections were way off-base, happily.  More popular votes to pad that lead.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

think about it.

the video shot.

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Yay white voters went 77% for Hillary! Of course Obama is breaking down racial barriers and all those white folks will be on board for him in November...

Against John McCain

Right

by rossinatl 2008-03-11 06:29PM | 0 recs
dude are you celebrating peoples racism? n/t

by kindthoughts 2008-03-11 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Yeah, his entire 15 million total votes are comprised of black people.

Seriously, are you arguing that Clinton is more electable because she's white?  Is that a criterion you would be proud to advertise?

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

If Obama can beat her by 20% it's looking like a 20-13 delegate split, a net gain of 7.  If he falls just short, probably 19-14.

by Skaje 2008-03-11 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

And a seven-delegate edge for Obama with eight more to allocate (O:16 C:9). Great split, makes it extremely difficult for Clinton to get within 100 pledged delegates.

by EMTP democrat 2008-03-11 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

How many states has Barack won now?

by PrinceCA 2008-03-11 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

Zero.  None of his count.

by rfahey22 2008-03-11 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Mississippi Results Thread

I eagerly await the morning papers to see what kind of happy spin Hillary's flaks will put on another 20-point drubbing.  They have a real public relations problem with the fact that Pennsylvania is six weeks away, and it's pretty hard to fill the airwaves with encouraging news when you've just lost the race for delegates in 15 out of 17 states.

by global yokel 2008-03-11 07:37PM | 0 recs

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