Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

I went to an event last week where a couple representatives from the presidential campaigns were talking about their search engine marketing strategies. One of the things that came up was that "barack obama muslim" is a very popular search.

If you put that into Google now, which I tried several times over the weekend, you get a few news stories on the front page of results, along with pages from right wing sites that are premised on inflammatory lies. Despite repeated debunkings, Republicans have engaged in deliberate strategy of spreading lies about Obama that play into people's fears, in spite of the fact that it's well known that Obama is Christian, not Muslim. Much has been made of the fact that his middle name is Hussein, as if there weren't a long tradition of Semitic names and words in common use in the US. Outrageous religious bigotry is still okay if it's directed towards the 'proper' people, after all.

Going deeper into the search results for "barack obama muslim" reveals that they're packed deep with opposition pages discussing the Very Serious Issue of Barack Obama's faith. It reminds me of the WA-08 race in 2006, where the local liberal blogs, including the one among us that fed into Google News, used most candidate-related posts to talk about our candidate, Darcy Burner. The conservative blogs, including the one that fed into Google News, talked not only about their candidate, Dave Reichert, but about ours.

In fact, they talked about our candidate a lot. Searches for Dave Reichert in Google News at the time turned up regular news stories and right wing blog results. Searches for Darcy Burner in Google News turned up regular news, liberal blog results, and a few more conservative blog results than liberal ones.

While I certainly don't want (standard and necessary disclaimer) to tell people what to write about on their blogs, it has an impact on what information is available to the public because of blogs' disproportionate impact on search results. Especially in an age when nearly half of adults get their news online and are increasingly dissatisfied with establishment news outlets. This is a tremendous opportunity for blogs to increase our audience share, but it also suggests challenges for progressives.

When the general election is in full swing, who's going to be talking to the public the most about John McCain or the Democratic nominee? If the nominee is Barack Obama, the ridiculous rumors about his 'muslim ties' (you mean, like getting to first base with a Saudi prince?) can't be wished away, or the Internet-going public will be treated to a very tilted conversation.

Update [2008-3-10 12:17:22 by Natasha Chart]: I've had requests to change the title of this post. While it shouldn't be too hard to figure out why I put it up as was, request granted.

Tags: Barack Obama, muslim (all tags)

Comments

97 Comments

Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

This is my one concern about Obama... he's letting himself get swiftboated like Kerry and just completely ignoring it.  Why?  Doesn't he remember recent history?  Why does he think this will just "go away"?  It won't!  It will just keep on snowballing...

by LordMike 2008-03-10 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Yes, blame it on him.

If there were no black people, there was no racism, right? If there were no women, there was no sexism!

He is, by the way, not idly standing by. But it would help if people like Hillary Clinton could denounce the rumors a bit more strongly than she did on 60 minutes!

by marcotom 2008-03-10 05:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Hillary said he wasn't a Muslim about 10 different ways.  It's been embarrassing watching you guys go around acting like the only words out of her mouth were "as far as I know."

by Steve M 2008-03-10 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

That's why I said stronger. I didn't say she didn't denounce the rumors, but she did it in a very weak way. She even had to be asked multiple times, because the meaning of her statement was so deeply buried in Washington-speak.

by marcotom 2008-03-10 05:44AM | 0 recs
fortunately...

one of barack's opponents shot themselves in the foot on this one.  by having barack's christian church sued by the irs for barack's participation in a church conference, the ire of christian churches all over the country will be considerable.  this effects all of them, and you will find more and more christian preachers talking about the unfair irs trying to take away their tax-exempt status because barack attended one of their functions...

by bored now 2008-03-10 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Marcotom,

I have personally heard Hillary Clinton say "absolute not" twice regarding the Muslim question on cable TV.

Now, is Hillary Clinton the campaign manager of Barack Obama ?

Is it Clinton's fault if the Muslim issue is dogging Obama ? Is this something she has to include in her campaign speeches now & defend Obama?

With all the issues, problems, challenges that Clinton is dealing with in running a national campaign for President, Do you think she has time TO WORRY about whatever personal issues Obama has ?

Is it Clinton's problem if Obama's religion is being repeatedly questioned by MILLIONS of americans ? Did she give Obama his Full Name ?

Did she somehow give Obama a middle name that happens to be the SAME EXACT name of America's greatest enemy in the last two decades?

Give me break!

Whether it was Hillary, Edwards, Biden, or Richardson who is battling Obama. This MUSLIM issue is Obama's alone.

Have you ever heard of an opponent having to baby the competition?

We are currently fighting TWO WARS with TWO MUSLIM countries. We were ATTACKED in American soil for the first time in modern civilization by a Radical Muslim Terrorist Group.

So what the hell are you surprised if many Americans are scared, paranoid or concerned.

If you are not concerned, good for you ! But don't impose your Dove, Liberal views on the rest of these americans.

No one is putting a Gun to their heads. No one is Forcing them in the COMFORT of their HOMES to \
" Type in Obama Muslim" on google.

This is EXACTLY the problem with Barack Hussein Obama's candidacy in the Fall.

Democrats like you & him will spend so much time just TRYING to Prove to middle America that he is not a Muslim.

And realistically, many will still have serious doubts no matter what he says. And these doubters will have a tough time voting for him.

Stop being Politically Correct ! That Guilt trip only works with liberal whites. That does not work with Conservatives & mainstream americans in the GE.

by labanman 2008-03-10 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

My question is why was the question asked of her?  It's none of her business what religion he is. And while she may know because he said he's a Christian (and I know he is), does anyone REALLY know what faith someone else practices unless you go to church with them and see how they practice their faith at home and how they talk about it in public?

It was a ridiculous question meant to play "gotcha" with her.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-10 07:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

My question is, who selected the "couch walrus" gentleman who spewed that Rush Limbaugh idiocy on 6o minutes? Do you think they had no idea that he would say the Obama was a Muslim? My guess is that he was put forward by the Hillary campaign, although that is just a guess. If she had integrity she wouldn't milk the point in such a cunning way. It was as shrewd as it was ugly and some folks admire that sort of thing in their candidates.

The Hillary campaign is, sure-as-shootin', behind some of these falsities about Obama. The right wing and the MSM are only too happy to pitch in.

by anothergreenbus 2008-03-10 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

defend Obama in her campaign speeches?!  Hell, I'd be impressed if she'd just stop shilling for McCain and betraying the party.

by lockewasright 2008-03-10 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Shame on the HRC campaing, shame on you.

HRC staffers were caught spreading the Muslim-lie email.  HRC phone bankers were using the name Osama to refer to Obama.  HRC says he isn't a Muslim, "as far as I know."

And, the HRC camp made up and planted the fake Madrassa story.  The HRC camp is literally feeding the lies to the wingnuts.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16813267/

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:26AM | 0 recs
Is Hillary Clinton a monster?
Q: Is Hillary Clinton a monster?
BO: Hillary Clinton says that she isn't.
Q: So is she?
BO: I have no reason to doubt that she speaks the truth.
Q: So is she a monster?
BO: She is not a monster. As far as I know!
by marcotom 2008-03-10 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Is Hillary Clinton a monster?

We'll have to take her for her word on that!

by LordMike 2008-03-10 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

"She even had to be asked multiple times, because the meaning of her statement was so deeply buried in Washington-speak."

Excuse me, but have you read the full text of what she said?  Are the very first words out of her mouth, "Of course not" ambiguous Washington-speak?

She got asked multiple times after he initial unquivocal answer because the reporter was quite deliberately trying to get her to keep talking long enough for something to come out of her mouth that would "make news," and he sure succeeded.

by gyrfalcon 2008-03-10 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Well, in the full text that I read, it wasn't as clear as you seem to imply here. Do you have a link?

by marcotom 2008-03-10 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Almost as embarrassing as watching you guys go around acting like the words "as far as I know" did not come out of her mouth.

The Clinton's benefit from having doubt about Obama's background out there. Hillary's response proved that they were not above pushing that doubt when they can.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Um, the "as far as I know" comment was in reference to the fact that she said there was no basis to these rumors "as far as she knew".

Which is in appropriate answer.  Because if she didn't, Steve Kroft (or some other pundit) would eventually confront her with "John Doe, at a Senate holiday party told you he heard from his cousin's best friend's neighbor, who knew someone that Obama is a Muslim." (which we mean she knew of a basis for the rumor - not that it was true).

by cmugirl90 2008-03-10 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Wow, don't hurt yourself. That kind of logic twisting has been known to tear a tendon.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Don't forget inventing the lies that are fed to the wingnuts, as was the case with the fake madrassa story.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16813267/

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Heh, we all acknowledge that she said it.  We just think it's nuts to interpret it in such a way that it nullifies the 10 different ways she flatly denied Obama is a Muslim.

If this is the kind of treatment people like Hillary get for doing the right thing, maybe I should just stop debunking these rumors among the people I encounter.  I wouldn't want to say the wrong word while I'm debunking it and have all of you call me names.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

You acknowledge she said it but then pretend that it magically disappears because she did not qualify her other answers. Once you qualify something it stays qualified. She signaled there might be a reason to question Obama's religion (although she does not). That's all a whisper campaign needs to keep growing.

Hillary was not doing the right thing. She was doing the lest she could do (as a Democrat).

Nice threat....real classy. If you're using the "as far as I know" line too, please...don't do Obama any favors.    

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

My point is that I'm getting tired of sticking up for a candidate who is supported by hateful people like yourself.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Hateful? Dismissing people who strongly disagree with someones politics as 'hateful' is a tactic that Republicans use to protect Bush all the time. Just saying.

I would 'hate' for Clinton to win because it would mean a lost opportunity to dramatically change the course of American politics. We need a 180 degree change from Bush and a Clinton win would mean (at best) a 90 degree change.

Maybe a President Obama would not achieve the 180 degree change either but with him there is Hope.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Hillary .vs. Bush case in point.. Questions linger amid Clinton...

She showed a tendency toward an insular management style, relying on a coterie of aides who have worked for her for years, her aides and associates said. Her choice of lieutenants -- and her insistence on staying with them even when friends urged her to shake things up -- was blamed by some associates for the campaign's woes. Again and again, the senator was portrayed as a manager who valued loyalty and familiarity over experience and expertise.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

My recollection is that she said that as far as she knew, he was not a Muslim.  Further, she said that she took him at his word that he is a Christian.

I don't support Senator Clinton, but I acknowledge her remarkable intelligence.  She knew exactly what she was doing.  She was keeping the doubt going with her very weak statement.  Of course she had stronger statements that Obama is not a Muslim, but she knew what would be quoted.  

She also knew that there would be backlash so there were plenty of statements that allow her to lean back and say..."you have completely missed my point."

I know that I might end up voting for her, but I still hate her.

by smoker1 2008-03-10 09:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Well, yeah... Unfortunately, the Clinton campaign benefits from these false accusations, so they won't do anything to stop it...  and several of their campaign staff were fired in Iowa for trying to promote the smear...  

But, I have not seen any real active effort by the Obama campaign to quell these rumors, other than the occasional denial.  That's not enough.  They have to "go viral" on the lies just as these rumors went viral on Obama.

by LordMike 2008-03-10 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Hmm... what exactly would you expect them to do?

I think he brings it up in his stump and has these church events from time to time. But it is a very sensitive subject and it is kind of hard to fight against it without looking stupid yourself.

by marcotom 2008-03-10 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I think his problem is that he is unwilling or afraid to pound on the idea that being a Muslim is not a Bad Thing.  But asserting his Christianity without that corrolary sounds like he regards being a Muslim as unacceptable. (Which the Muslim community in the U.S., I gather, has picked up on and resents deeply, as they should.)

The only way he can fight this is to do both things, and do them repeatedly and very publicly, but somebody has convinced him that it's not "safe" for him to defend Muslims.  Ugh.

And btw, Hillary should do the same thing, except if she did that and he won't, she'd be pounded by the Obama people just for saying the word "Muslim."

He's got to lead on this, and he won't.  That says something to me.

by gyrfalcon 2008-03-10 07:06AM | 0 recs
It isn't about blaming Obama

It's just a fact that they're spreading these rumors, just as it's a fact that Clinton has denied them.

More to the point though, Obama alone can't fight this, nor can any other single individual. When it's coming from so many right wing sources, so many voices, fighting it isn't a job for one person.

You may know, or not, that I'm a Clinton supporter. But I think racist scare tactics need to be fought, just as it was important to fight back against the sexism of people like Chris Matthews when it was directed towards Clinton.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

This is harder to attack than the Swift boat crap (which if countered by a full records waiver would have been substantially undercut), how do you prove your religion, I mean hell the very question is offensive and addressed in the canon of our civil liberties.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-10 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Obama has a fact-check page that debunks the Muslim rumors pretty thoroughly.

Usually we talk about Google-bombing in the context of framing the opposing candidate, but given the pervasity of these rumors, I wonder if this isn't the Google-bomb Obama supporters should be trying to organize.

Also, I wonder if "pervasity" is a word.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I did link to that fact check page in the piece.

"Pervasity"? Did I have a spelling hiccough?

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

It was a word I had used in my preceding paragraph.  I was having a moment of reflection.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Maybe you're thinking of 'pervasiveness'?

by rfahey22 2008-03-10 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Humorously, when I google "pervasity" the top search result is the comment I just made.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Wasn't it Harding who invented the word 'normalcy'?  Maybe you can do the same thing.

by rfahey22 2008-03-10 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

This is a good link because it identifies who gave the fake madrassa story to the wingnuts.  Here's a hint: H*C campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Yes, assuming you're willing to believe an uncorroborated right-wing source on that issue.  I'm not sure there's any story you guys won't swallow as long as it's negative about Hillary.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

That's a nice dodge.  According to you HRC can plant an infinite number of fake stories with no repercussions, because as long as HRC says it didn't happen than that's good enough for you.

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I'm happy to consider any evidence that Clinton planted the story.  However, only one of us considers the uncorroborated word of a right-wing source to be evidence.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I'm open to the idea that you're being fare.

What was you stance on the CTV Nafta story when it came out?

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

After the Canadian Embassy denied there had been any contact, I said "the burden is mostly on CTV at this point to show us something more."

Regardless, it is one thing to say that well-respected MSM sources are generally credible until countervailing evidence is produced.  If the New York Times prints a story about Hillary, and her campaign denies it, I don't automatically go around saying "that's it, story debunked."

But it's one thing to note that the NYT can usually be trusted, and another thing to accept the uncorroborated word of a right-wing source like Insight Magazine or the Drudge Report.

Think about it from the perspective of a right-wing smear artist: if you can smear one of the Democratic candidates, and simultaneously claim that the other Democratic candidate is the one forwarding the smear, you get a twofer.

by Steve M 2008-03-10 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

The HRC plausible deniability argument shouldn't be accepted without question.  I think it's obvious the HRC camp would use a right wing publication for two reasons, 1) to discredit the source, 2) this is a pipeline to the wingnuts.  And, the Clintons will use the right, recently in Texas WJC was on Rush's show trying to get votes for HRC.  The lies in the original Insight piece are extensive, they were obviously someone's opposition work.  And, they come really early in the process, in January of 2007, this was way too early for wingnut opposition to go public against BHO.

One thing about the piece is undeniable correct/prescient, it says HRC was more worried about BHO than any of her other competitors.

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaMan ager/Obama_2.htm

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 10:03AM | 0 recs
these rumors are going to cost him

a few percent of the vote, no matter what he does about it. I have heard people rant about him being a Muslim, and pointing out simple facts does no good with these idiots.

The solution for Obama will be to compensate for the bigots by increasing turnout among the groups that support him.

by desmoinesdem 2008-03-10 05:36AM | 0 recs
the only research i've seen on this question...

strongly infers that people who would refuse to vote for barack because of the rumors that he's muslim wouldn't vote for him anyway, perhaps because he is black.  that's just a reality that democrats will have to base their coalition on -- there are some social conservatives who absolutely will not vote for barack.

my understanding from the obama team is that the most pervasive rumor in this direction is that barach took his oath of office on a koran, which is untrue.  he took the oath of office on the family bible.

from a message perspective, this is the easiest of all negatives to squash: barack and michelle can be seen going to church every sunday, with television cameras in toe.  the visual is more influential than the written rumor.  i seriously doubt that barack will face the same obstacles that kerry did; kerry's church, if you remember, prohibited cameras from filming kerry attending catholic mass in boston...

by bored now 2008-03-10 05:49AM | 0 recs
Racists: Muslim = Black

I agree here. The "Muslim" smear is a stand-in for the racist smear. Since calling him a n****r would backfire, Republican thugs (including my state's GOP chair in TN) use substitute epithets. Anybody at this stage in the game who won't vote for Obama because of fears he's a secret Muslim is nothing more than a racist. And I mean that in the old-fashioned sense - they do not like black people and do not want a black man for President.

by elrod 2008-03-10 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Racists: Muslim = Black

Don't forget the HRC campaign made up and planted the fake madrassa story.  

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:34AM | 0 recs
Sidney

It's time to bring out "Sidney" for McCain.  While I am sure that there have been clean-cut, all-American, extremely Protestant, penetratingly heterosexual Republican patriot heroes who eat steak named Sidney, the name suggests to many Sid Vicious, the whining half-crook character on Hill Street Blues, some dude in Atlantic City that you'd be stupid to play poker against, some lounger looking for a cabana in Palm Beach.  

Now this is not nice and this is not fair, but McCain is the acquiescent beneficiary of Husseinimania, and we are engaged in politics, not a women's bridge club at Leisure World.  We want to counteract Hussein?  Hit Sidney with "Sidney," in the groin.

I imagine a Kiss Float stalker crew of the "Sidney Singers."  "I'm just wild 'ehnnh' about Harry Sidney."

by Bruce Godfrey 2008-03-10 08:21AM | 0 recs
Muslim?

Given the brutal history of the Christian faith and the people who practice it, you would think it would be more embarrassing to admit to being a Christian than to reveal that you're a Muslim.

by global yokel 2008-03-10 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?
Are we blaming this one on HIllary too?  Come on guys, this is REALLY beginning to look pathetic.  Want to blame John Kerry's Swiftboating on her too?  I mean, after all, she must've thought that if he were to be elected, it may hurt her chances of getting the election this year- so I'm sure the Clintons had something to do with it...
Let's put all the violins away and start finding ways to toughen up our candidates.  
by easyE 2008-03-10 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I think Obama has dealt with this quite effectively-

and if it weren't the muslim thing it'd be something else they would dig up and make into an issue.  

Anyone who thinks Hillary will fare any better is mistaken-  they are saving their rehash of Hillary Bashing for if she gets the nomination.

by Bob Beard 2008-03-10 06:15AM | 0 recs
Hillary killed Vince Foster

Or so I read on the internet.  Google "Hillary" and "Vince Foster" and see what deluded conspiracy theories come up.  This page is first on the list:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO /POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html

The fact is that elements of the right-wing will stoop to no level to engage in character assassination, and that both of these candidates are vulnerable to such attacks.  The conclusion?  We shouldn't choose a nominee based upon fear of illogical and outrageous attacks.

by maconblue 2008-03-10 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary killed Vince Foster

Agreed, completely...which is why all the "What will the Republicans say" handwringing here drives me absolutely nuts. We should not let them define how we pick a candidate.

by amiches 2008-03-10 06:48AM | 0 recs
It's not about choosing a nominee

Anyone who's being reasonable, imo, knows exactly what you've said. They'll smear and lie about any Democratic candidate.

The question is how we respond, will we have the candidates' backs? Will we challenge lies where they live and work to make sure that our opponents don't get to pack the search results?

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: It's not about choosing a nominee

The wrong response if for the HRC team to invent and plant wingnut lies, as was the case with the fake madrassa story.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: It's not about choosing a nominee

"Natasha Chart"  

Why are you consistently troll rating and "zero" rating people for no reason other than you disagree with them?

A cursory look at your recent ratings clearly show you are abusing the system.

Please cease these abusive actions and uprate comments you unfairly troll rated.  

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-10 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Just wanted to say that the word Semitic is synonymous with Jewish, Yiddish, Hebrew, etc.

by kydem 2008-03-10 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

No, in a linguistic sense it actually can refer to a variety of languages spoken in the region - i.e. Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic(the language of Ethiopia) etc. "Hussein" is a Semitic name, just like Sarah, Jacob, and Joshua.

Yiddish, incidentally, is a Germanic language written with Hebrew letters.

by amiches 2008-03-10 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Forgot to add: if you're talking about anti-Semitism, then I agree with you - that word was specifically coined to describe Jew-hatred on racial or ethnic grounds. But the term "Semitic" does not, in and of itself, have a connotation of "Jewish".

by amiches 2008-03-10 06:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Natasha, honestly, I think you should change the title of this post. Not suggesting I disagree substantively with what you wrote, but the question mark implies that there's a question as to Obama's religious beliefs. There is no question, of course, but this site has a relatively high Google ranking and passive searchers could come across this post and be misled.

by amiches 2008-03-10 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Read what I wrote. Think about why I titled this exactly what I did. Don't you think I know all that?

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Again, I agree with what you wrote, but passive searchers who don't read the entire article may not get that meaning. Just a request, and not meant to provoke.

Cheers.

by amiches 2008-03-10 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Understand. Though it is right up there early on that it's a lie, and every single link goes to something that tells the truth.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 08:15AM | 0 recs
mmm...

I'm generally not in favor of thought policing, but if there is anything that can get one banned from this site, surely specious accusations of murder against prominent Democrats, including our last president, is such an offense.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-10 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Yes, this is potentially a problem, and we should be concerned too about wishing away those rumors that  Hillary Clinton is a lesbian, which she says she's not (Hillary-lesbian is a fairly popular Google search). As far as we know. The latest crazy one: she is having an affair with her MUSLIM aide-de-camp, a woman. If it's true (which I'm sure it's not, as she says it's not), will it be more harmful to have a closeted Muslim-loving lesbian, or just a closeted Muslim as our candidate?

What is the point of this blog? That right-wing crazies blog too? To make sure that we keep this stupidity alive? MyDD, please stop the madness.

by pcjnyc 2008-03-10 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Look, again, at what's in this post. Read it.

Next time someone types "barack obama muslim" into Google, genuinely conflicted because of some bogus email or rumor they heard, what is it that you want them to find? This is a legitimate news story, and it isn't a help if the only people talking about it are the people spreading the lies, which have been very effective, btw.

Plenty of people take this as the gospel truth. It's a lie, and a shameful appeal to racism that many of those who've bought into don't recognize for what it is. This is my answer.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I understand. But if you're trying to defuse the situation and find a constructive path to countering  the right-wing bigots, why headline your blog so provocatively? And why ignore Hillary's parallel problems (in many of our minds far worse, starting with allegations of  murder, which have been widespread for years, and going downhill from there). Would it be helpful if I wrote a blog that started off with:

HILLARY: MURDERER?

or

HILLARY: LESBIAN?

even if it went on to bring up the fact that I don't necessarily believe she is either one of those things.

Many people want us to believe Obama is a Muslim (and believe it is as bad to be a Muslim and/or a lesbian as it is to be a murderer), and no amount of discussion on this blog will change their minds.

by pcjnyc 2008-03-10 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

No... You don't understand.  By using those words in the title and in the text linking to sites debunking this lie, this story and the linked debunking show up in Google more readily.

It's not about defusing things, or finding a constructive anything.  Ok, it may also be about those things...  and feel free to yell at the site administration to crack down on this stuff.  They certainly need to.  (Check the diary list right now for at least one example.)  But changing the title and the rest of that stuff defeats the purpose.  

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-10 08:02AM | 0 recs
And This Is Why...

This site's moderators need to crack down on these smear diaries that have repeatedly popped up on this site, even getting recommended at times.  Now I've seen a deletion or two, but it still continues to happen, and there are still posters (including some very frequently recommended ones) spreading this lie and variations of it here.  

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-10 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: And This Is Why...

Why is this a smear diary?  Oh and there are plenty of smear diaries about Clinton that pop up here... should they be deleted too?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-10 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: And This Is Why...

Don't worry about HRC until the BHO campaign is inventing fake stories and feeding them to the right wing.  We've seen that the HRC campaign is responsible for the fake madrassa story.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: And This Is Why...

This isn't a smear diary.  You really should read my post again, I was agreeing with the author.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-10 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: And This Is Why...

Why did you troll rat me for this?:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/10/9 2444/8807/97?mode=alone;showrate=1#97

The diarist just troll rated 10 comments in a row with a "zero".  That is abuse anyway you look at it.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-10 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

Yes, I feel so Drudge-like for enabling people to find the Obama campaign's refutatation of this lie, pointing them to a picture of George Bush holding hands with a Saudi prince and a debunking of Fox News' madrassah lies. How I can live with myself, I just don't know.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I don't get what the point or purpose was for this post. Not well thought out nor elegantly written. Someone not paying attention or being cynical might see an argument against Obama solely because of some people's shortcomings...

by losdela 2008-03-10 07:56AM | 0 recs
My new diary...

Did McCain Single-Handedly Lose Vietnam??1?!one?

I hope you're not suggesting we become that which we despise.

by BeerNotWar 2008-03-10 08:16AM | 0 recs
Did you hear

that Hillary Clinton is really a large carp?  Not that I believe it, but people are talking.  They've been covering it up with tricky camera work, like the "moon landing," they tell me.  

If I were her I'd be worried that the news is all over the web, whether it's true or not.  It could hurt her chances if she should get the nomination.  I'm just saying.

I want to go on record that she's a real woman, not a fish, as far as I know...

by Garret 2008-03-10 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

WHO CARES IF HE IS MUSLIM?  When did Muslim become a dirty, bad thing?  I get more pissed off that everyone is acting like saying he is or he isn't a Muslim is like inserting the words "child molestor" in the place of Muslim.  There are approximately 5,000,000 Muslims in this country.  When did their religion become a smear?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-10 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

The point is that some people do care, and the Clinton campaign has engaged in a systematic, dog-whistle campaign to appeal to ugly natures among those people by suggesting that he is a Muslim.

by amiches 2008-03-10 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

Well the people who care are WRONG.  Period.  And the Clinton campaign is not responsible for people caring and they are not responsible for this being discussed by the likes of people like Sean Hannity.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-10 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

HRC staffers were caught spreading the Muslim-lie email.  HRC phone bankers were using Osama instead of Obama.  HRC says he's not a muslim "as far as I know."  Even McCain is better than HRC at killing this kind of lie, as was shown with the Bill Cunningham incident.

And the HRC campaign made up and planted the fake madrassa story.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

I'd say the HRC team is part of the problem.  They have no morals.  Power for the sake of power, that's why Newt et. al. set the agenda during the Clinton years.  Newt set the direction of the country, and WJC got sound bite successes and popularity.

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

There is nothing on that link that said "HRC campaign made up and planted the fake madrassa story".    There is nothing that said HRC campaign spread the rumor.  

It's you who are spreading the rumor against HRC campaign.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-10 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

Did you read it?  The HRC camp is feeding the Muslim lies to the wingnuts.

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaMan ager/Obama_2.htm

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

Hillary had repeatedly answer to that question that "Obama is not a muslim".  There is not a single article on her website, or mailer or any of Hillary 15 fan websites that I'm a member that attack Obama on being a muslim.

We know that he's not a muslim.  And we don't care if he was.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-10 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

In case you haven't noticed American's vote for a President they can relate to. Obama is already handicapped with being a new face and being a minority. At this time most American's cannot relate to the Muslim religion.

Obama has a pretty steep hill to climb already why put more weight on his back.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

The Clintonistas will have to stop employing and warning of classic Repug tactics before our respect for them is restored in any way.  Sure, it's a simulated while largely unnecessary dry run for November, but it still leaves the same stink.

by Carlo 2008-03-10 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim?

I hope your point is that the HRC supporters look silly as they pretend that the wingnuts' name calling toward BHO is so devistating, at the same time they are oblivious to the wingnut attacks waiting for HRC.

by 1jpb 2008-03-10 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

Are you not equally outraged at the Clinton smears?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-10 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

Who is warned?  About what?  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-10 09:29AM | 0 recs
Muslim or not, it DOES NOT Matter!

First Obama is not a muslim.  He denied that.  His wife denied that.    Hillary denied that, her answer to a reporter question if Obama a muslim not was "of cause not".

Second, it doesn't matter to consider selecting the president if he has muslim upbringing or born from a muslim father.  The most important question is who is more qualified to do a good job as a president.

I will still vote for Hillary if she has muslim upbringing, born from a muslim father, her middle name is medina or fatima.

This is the least important question we should be discussing about Obama.  And IMHO, we shouldn't be discussing it at all.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-10 09:07AM | 0 recs
We don't get to pick what people think

This is a huge subject of discussion and is being quite enthusiastically spread. Many, many people have been swept up in believing it. I'd rather they didn't believe it, particularly when most of the people who've heard this probably only need the mildest contradiction to realize that they've been sold a bill of goods.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

Oh for pity's sake. I demand that you read the bloody post and comments.

Everybody who's paying close attention knows it isn't true, that Obama's a Christian. But what do people who aren't paying much attention find when they search? Not the Obama campaign's fact check page, not now. There are a few mainstream news sites and a bunch of right wing smears.

What is it, again, that you want people to find?

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 09:19AM | 0 recs
You're wrong

Just flat out wrong. Every. Single. Link. Points to a debunking of this.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 09:35AM | 0 recs
Goggle-bomb this subject!

A diary on DKos today suggests that we all get together and Google-bomb this subject. I couldn't agree more. Here's my contribution:

Barack Obama is not a Muslim.

by KeithPickering 2008-03-10 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Goggle-bomb this subject!

Thank gods that there are people around whose reading comprehension is working this morning. Sometimes, I despair of it.

by Natasha Chart 2008-03-10 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Goggle-bomb this subject!

"Natasha Chart"  

Why are you consistently troll rating and "zero" rating people for no reason other than you disagree with them?

A cursory look at your recent ratings clearly show you are abusing the system.

Please cease these abusive actions and uprate comments you unfairly troll rated.  

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-10 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.

See Media Matters for the whole sordid story:

http://mediamatters.org/items/2008030900 01

It's like: Okay, Mrs. Clinton, you still haven't proven to me that Obama is not a Muslim. You keep saying no he's a Christian and that it's a slur. Are you saying it is impossible that he is a Muslim? I'll ask you one more time.

by DeanOR 2008-03-10 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack Obama: Muslim? No.
I can't believe how many sites there are spreading the lies that Barack is a Muslim . Personally, I wouldn't care if he was, although the truth is that he's a born again christian.
I hate terrorism, but not the millions of Islamics who are NOT terrorists. I am a Christian, but I think there are good things in the Islamic religion, as there are in many other faiths besides Christianity.
Besides that, radical Islamic Fundamentalism really began to spread with the rise of Ayatollah Kholmeni in the 70s, so the people who talk about Barack's Kenyan father (Barack's grandfather was a Muslim) and Indonesian stepfather being fundmentalist Muslims and Barack attending a madrassa as a child in the 60s are totally uninformed and their claims are ridiculous.
I think these stories are being spread by white supremecists who are rabid radical rightwing nutcases. It wasn't that long ago that one could do a search and find stories about moderate Islamics who oppose terrorism, but it's not that easy now because the number of anti-muslim sites out there is huge and most of this is xenophobic propaganda designed to get supporters for Bush and Cheney's "oil war" and Western exploitation of 3rd World labor and resources, all of which increases Islamic anger at the U.S.
Anyone who wants to know the TRUTH about Barack Obama's heritage should read his book, "Dreams From My Father" instead of listening to rightwing fanatics who pretend to support democracy when they are really supporting fascism, the polar opposite of the liberalism this country was founded on.
by Dee9lvs 2008-03-13 01:18PM | 0 recs

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