The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

So much for my theory that it isn't a particularly terrible sign that Hillary Clinton lent her campaign $5 million last month. Here's Mark Halperin:

*** Page Exclusive: Some Clinton Senior Staff Working Without Pay ***

SOURCE: THEY HAVE "VOLUNTARILY CHOSEN TO WORK WITHOUT PAY THIS MONTH" AS PART OF CLINTON CASH CRUNCH AGAINST OBAMA MOOLA FACTORY

Includes campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle (formatting original)

There's not a particularly great way of spinning this news (if it is in fact news and can be verified). Certainly it has been the case that campaigns have gone through financial crunches from which they were eventually able to emerge successful. The campaigns of both John Kerry in 2004 and John McCain this presidential come to mind. Yet at the same time, it's hard to think of a campaign in the past successfully weathering a situation in which senior staff are forgoing pay to save money this late in the cycle. I suppose one could argue that it's a sign of renewed confidence -- the candidate herself loaning big money to the campaign, and the campaign leadership being willing to invest their own money by forgoing pay -- but that doesn't instill much confidence either. This could be the beginning of a tough news cycle for team Clinton.

Tags: Fundraising, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

117 Comments

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

wow...just wow... implosion? they really were  betting it all on the 5th

by Soltare 2008-02-06 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

The media is going to kill Hillary's campaign. I said it in 2006, it won't be Edwards, or Obama, or Gore that brings Clinton down, it will be the media.

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 01:30PM | 0 recs
if she can't survive the media onslaught

in the primaries, she probably wouldn't be able to survive the media onslaught against McCain.

If she can get through this next month, she should be well-positioned to win TX and OH, based on the states' demographics.

Sure looks like she shouldn't have spent $37 million or whatever it was on her Senate re-election campaign against a joke opponent. She could have transferred a lot of that money to her presidential race.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-06 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: if she can't survive the media onslaught

Well here is the thing. Clinton has proven sustainability. Obama has 80% positive media coverage yet lost the popular vote? Please. A majority of the media coverage of Hillary Clinton was negative. 70%+ of the coverage of Bill Clinton was negative. So Clinton has proven her sustainability.

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay
I don't see how it's the medias fault that the Clinton campaign either spent its money foolishly and/or failed to set up a good infrastructure for ongoing fund raising.
by vj 2008-02-06 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

this is all her fault..
entirely.

mark penn isn't worth 4 million.

by Soltare 2008-02-06 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

You completely missed the point. You don't need money to win. Huckabee can vouch for that. What you need is good media to get your message through. Last fall the media coronated Clinton and she hit 50% in an 8-man race. She stumbled in a debate and she fell 10%+. It's all media. Any fool can see that.

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

We'll see.

by souvarine 2008-02-06 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Obama's winning on organization. It's Hillary's fault for not focusing on the small states and caucuses and organization. Her campaign blew it.

by Progressive America 2008-02-06 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I will give him that. He organized in small states. But running big margins in states Clinton did not compete in does not show anything for me.

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 01:46PM | 0 recs
Wait, wait

I thought Clinton was the one with the machine.

by Radiowalla 2008-02-06 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Yeah. Has nothing to do with the enthusiasm that voters have for Barack Obama. The $32 million he raised last month was clearly media-fueled. Has nothing to do with him bringing new voters into the party. Nope. It's just the media.

by Dave Sund 2008-02-06 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I did not say it was "just the media." Get the POINT before you start accusing people. GET IT RIGHT!

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

It was roughly a tie yesterday in the popular vote, each getting more than 7,000,000 votes. I'd say that those donations translated into votes quite noticeably.

by DPW 2008-02-06 01:56PM | 0 recs
It's a flying DeLorean!

Am I timewarped back to December of 2003?

Let's check the scoreboard -- NOOOOO.... I see quite a few pledged delegates and lots of wins up on the old Obama scoreboard.

by zonk 2008-02-06 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Since SC how much media has Huck had? He had those asshole robocallers I guess but they weren't media.

by MNPundit 2008-02-06 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Quite so. Loads of media people were saying a vote for Huck is a vote for McCain, I'd hardly call that good press.

by Mullibok 2008-02-06 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay
You calling me a fool? lol.
by vj 2008-02-06 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

She lent her campaign $5 million of her own money in January and she is about to give it another $5 million out of her own pocket.

Obama raised $32 million in January to her $14 million.

Obama wan 14 states to her 8 yesterday..  And it appears the final count on elected delegates (not including super delegates) shows he still maintains his lead in delegates.

When you look at the map and the schedule, it is hard to see how she wins a single primary or caucus before March 4.  He will sweep the mountain states, the northwest, the corn belt, and the south.

We may be watching the beginning of the death spiral of the Clinton campaign.

by Helenann 2008-02-06 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Oh. Well. How brilliant! Our inspirational candidate will win the nomination outspending money, utilizing MSM and attacking Hillary with Republican talking points. Oh, wait. Did i mention that he did not win any core democratic states? Even better!

by praxis1 2008-02-06 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

But those Democratic states will still be Democratic in the general Election.  He picked up new states that Hillary will not be able to.

by ktmnyny 2008-02-06 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Do you really think that Obama "picked up" Kansas, Utah and Idaho? You're suggesting he would win those states in the GE?

by Denny Crane 2008-02-06 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Twice as many Dems voted in those primaries than Republicans.  It looks very possible, yes.

by Helenann 2008-02-06 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Um, OK.

by Denny Crane 2008-02-06 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

You mind is stuck in the 90's.

A new paradigm is emerging.  Old formulas don't apply.

by Helenann 2008-02-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

New paradigm? Old formulas don't apply?

I don't think it is Denny who is stuck in the '90s.

by souvarine 2008-02-06 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

If the same proportion of Dems to Rethugs in those states vote in November, then the Dems will win those states. It's not unreasonable to believe that this could happen.

by Weirdsmobile 2008-02-06 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I wasn't suggesting that implicitly.  But I know enough Republicans that will never vote for McCain, but would vote for Obama.  The votes in these states could suggest that very possibility.

by ktmnyny 2008-02-06 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I meant to say that the recent results could suggest that very possibility.

by ktmnyny 2008-02-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Ilove when people claim that Obama winning a certain state in the democratic primary proves he can win red states. Hello, its a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY...some democrat has to pick up the state.

The problem has never been democrats not picking up democrats in these states, the problem has always been battling the heavy amounts of republicans in these red states. Both candidates are turning out new voters/the democrats desire to win is turning out new voters. Obama winning Kansas means about as much as if Clinton wins Texas.

by world dictator 2008-02-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing

As I see it, the argument is that Dems are turning out in big numbers in proportion to Repubs in those states, meaning that if the same numbers of each party turn out in November, we'll win those states.

So I guess the central issue is whether or not it is specifically Obama who is driving the increased turnout. One could argue either way. If it is, then that's a big point for Obama. If not, then it's GREAT news for Democrats in general because we have a very good chance of winning those states provided turnout remains strong and the proportion of Dems to Repubs is the same.

Of course, if it IS Obama and he doesn't win the nomination, then we're screwed.

So it's a Win-Win situation...but ONLY if Obama is the nominee! ;-)

by Weirdsmobile 2008-02-06 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Nothing is written in stone.

But Hillary has a 16 year advantage of name ID to go on. That counts for more than even I knew.

I have been working on the Obama campaign (for free) and I have constantly dealing with people who had literally no concept of who Obama was.  And this was two weeks before the primary. I am not complaining: It is simply the lay of the land.  I was shocked how many people did not know who he was other than he was other than to say the black guy running against Hillary. Name ID is a much larger hurdle than I ever imagined.

But to try and describe Hillary as being at a disadvantage is simply preposterous. She has been working toward this moment for over 8 years now. She is the Senator from NY and the wife of a 2 term President.  

And as for the core democratic states, you simply prove my point. Name ID and institutional support go a long way for folks in blue states to pull the lever for the favorite. They will support our nominee, be it Clinton or Obama in the fall.

by cswartout 2008-02-06 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

WTF, what about Illinois and MN?

by MNPundit 2008-02-06 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Minnesota is the very definition of a core Democratic state. And Obama won it overwhelmingly.

by Dave Sund 2008-02-06 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I thought Delaware, Illinois, and Connecticut were "core Democratic states"- to say nothing of purple states like Iowa, Missouri, and Colorado.

by AC4508 2008-02-06 03:53PM | 0 recs
No wait didnt they read the posts here,

You know winning.

Isnt she winning and all that?

Isn't this 'tie' going to boost her all the way to Denver?

by inexile 2008-02-06 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Now the media will spin this terribly. Just read this diary. The beginning of a tough news cycle for team Clinton? What cycle? Do you know more smear attacks to come which we do not know yet? Has Hillary ever had any "good" news cycle?

by praxis1 2008-02-06 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Has Hillary ever had any "good" news cycle?

Not since last fall when she hit 50% in all the polls.

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Do your research. Still MSM was asking for "alternatives". The theme was "how to stop Hillary".

by praxis1 2008-02-06 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

This was before her bad debate performance when the MSM called it "Hillary to lose" or basically "President Hillary Clinton."

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I think she needs good news for a good news cycle.

Damn the luck, huh?

by zonk 2008-02-06 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

there is a lot they can do to boos their low dollar fundraising.  Frankly, I am surprised at that.

I knew enough to log on and give Hillary money last night, but many people should be asked.

Where was the email declaring victory and asking for money?

I have given 4 times now and I have yet to get a single electronic or printed follow up solicitation.

by rcipw 2008-02-06 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay
That's weird. That brings up another point - Obama gets to use Kerry's email lists. I gave to Kerry last year, so I've been getting a lot of Obama solicitations. I finally clicked the link to have myself taken off the list.
by vj 2008-02-06 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I haven't gotten any requests for money, either.  She had my e-mail address, from when I e-mailed her and told her war on Iraq would be a big mistake.  She's sent me occasional e-mails since, but no requests for money.

by randym77 2008-02-06 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Yeah.  I have been on her list since the 2000 campaign and get some campaign emails, but not any solicitations.

by rcipw 2008-02-06 02:15PM | 0 recs
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really? i get those dumbass e-mails once a day.

by Soltare 2008-02-06 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I'm on her list and I got an e-mail at 2:55 PM for her $3 million in 3 days fundraiser. So far, she has rasied $1.3 million of that.

The e-mail title was "Huge." I also got an "Early Returns" e-mail, but no victory e-mail from her.

by RJEvans 2008-02-06 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

If I was a Clinton supporter I would be outraged by that. No follow up at all?

I have given to Obama's campaign 3 times now (usually only $100) and I get a thank you and I am sent campaign emails on a regular, but not annoying basis. In fact this afternoon, I receieved an email detailing Hillary's loan to her campaign in a fundraising pitch.

They need to work on that. It could be part of their fundraising anemia  (as compared to Obama) these days.

by cswartout 2008-02-06 02:43PM | 0 recs
And that's the key

Internet fundraising doesn't just "start".

It grows and gets cultivated.  HRC is going to have a REALLY tough time getting people to open their wallets during the first week of Feb.

by zonk 2008-02-06 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

To clarify -- I get a thank you immediately each time.  Just no follow up solicitation.

by rcipw 2008-02-06 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I got a "thank you" email from Clinton last night. And a "we have more work to do" email today. And I contributed (for the first time).

by LakersFan 2008-02-06 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

That's odd.  I get them all the time.

by Denny Crane 2008-02-06 03:17PM | 0 recs
Newsflash

Obama has raised $4.1 million since last night and is well on his way to breaking $30 million again in January.

How long with the staff work without pay and how long can she keep funding her own campaign.  We will have to start calling her Romney-lite!

by Helenann 2008-02-06 03:22PM | 0 recs
30 million in February?

He'll do a lot better than that. People will pour money into his campaign as long as there is a horse race with HRC. Look for $50 million by the end of Feb. The Clinton machine is about to get pummeled.

by mapantsula 2008-02-06 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: 30 million in February?

That's the spirit.

by souvarine 2008-02-06 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page:

I see it as an excuse to let 527's go to work.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-06 01:50PM | 0 recs
Please Please Please Please

I hope so.

I'm already staking out registration sites and I've got a cross-referenced spreadsheet of online focused HRC donors and big bundlers --- much of this going back to the days of trying to crack the identity of the Hillaryis44.org proprietors.

Funding a 527 is MUCH harder to hide than a $40 URL registration through an anonymous host.

HRC supporters fund a 527 -- I promise you -- all gloves off.  You think Boratgate was below the belt?

Heh... Team Clinton funds a 527 and I guarantee there's no way she can win a general election.  She'll be irrevocably damaged.  

by zonk 2008-02-06 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Please Please Please Please

Well, if it uses either Rezko or Obama's voting record in the IL senate it could sink him. Won't matter who funded it after the whole country is talking about how Obama voted putting sex shops next to schools or to keep sexual abuse victims from sealing their records.

Besides, with Robert Gibbs on his team, what can Obama do? Whine and say it's not fair? Or scream about how it's racist? Remember Gibbs was the one that ran the Dean/Osama ad 4 years ago.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-06 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Please Please Please Please

You're funny. Who said Boratgate was below the belt? All I saw was that it was stupid, that's why it sank like a stone.

I do wish, though, that Clinton would actually try to damage Obama. You guys obviously have no limits, but for some reason she does not want to take Obama down that way.

by souvarine 2008-02-06 05:04PM | 0 recs
According to Real Clear Politics

Clinton 1012, Obama 933

Clinton is almost halfway from the nomination at this point, needing 2,025 to clinch the GE berth.

So it's almost like she's starting over from scratch, putting together a strategy to get over the finish line.

Makes sense to me!

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-06 01:50PM | 0 recs
Yeah

The Rudy strategy...

Everyone work for free -- and we'll see you in a month.

by zonk 2008-02-06 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: According to Real Clear Politics

I find it pathetic that the Clinton campaign includes the superdelegates in these counts.  There are still 100'2 who have not declared and most of the one's that did, did it before SC.

If you look at actual ELECTED DELEGATES (hey what a concept), he is still ahead.

by Helenann 2008-02-06 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: According to Real Clear Politics

It's not just the Clinton campaign, it's every news org out there....

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-07 12:25PM | 0 recs
holding out until March 4

If she can get through this month without too much of a delegate deficit, she should be in excellent position to win Texas and possibly Ohio.

One problem is that Texas has so many media markets, TV ads will be difficult to produce on a tight budget.

And if Florida and Michigan caucus, I still think she gets at least Florida.  It's not over yet.

by mikelow1885 2008-02-06 01:51PM | 0 recs
The other problem is momentum
While she's waiting for March 4, Obama's racking up wins. If he doesn't develop a substantial lead in delegates, he may very well pick up a winning aura. Perceptions are important too.
by vj 2008-02-06 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: holding out until March 4

Its way not over. Now that I know even Clintons need money I went out and contributed prior to this I thought they did not need it. So I am pretty sure they are getting boatloads today.

by bayareasg 2008-02-06 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: holding out until March 4

THe provlem is the margins by which they win.

The only state that she got by a 20% Margin was Arkansas, her home state. In most states she won, she got between 50-57% of the vote.  Hardly overwhelming victories in the 8 states she won.

On the other hand, Obama beat her by 20 points or more in 9 of the 14 states he won.

I don't think there is any question he has the momentum with voters and with individual donors.

I just don't see how Hillary remains competitive.

by Helenann 2008-02-06 03:31PM | 0 recs
527s

That is a good point about 527s.

There are a lot of very deep pocketed Clinton supporters who will be ready to write checks to keep her message on the air.

by rcipw 2008-02-06 01:54PM | 0 recs
I'm fairly sure

527s can only run issue ads... This means they pretty much have to be attack ads.

527 funders aren't especially hard to track down either.

If a - or a group of - HRC funders or bundlers tries to fund a 527.... her career as a democrat will be OVER.

It will be slash and burn time.  We'll have 24-7 of Vince Foster and Mark Rich -- because running a 527 against someone from her own party means we're tossing ALL the rules out the door.

by zonk 2008-02-06 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm fairly sure

I'm with you.

No way -- NO CHANCE -- that a Dem. contributes to a 527 that slashes Obama and wants to avoid becoming a pariah in the Dem. Party.

From their perspective (unions, etc..), jeebus:  I mean, why if you are a contributor would you do that unless you were 100% certain you would win.

And no one is that stupid.  And no one is that stupid to contribute millions for such a cause.

by ChrisR 2008-02-06 05:15PM | 0 recs
So....

if you are a Clinton supporter, are you donating? Is there a big fundraiser being put on by the grassroots? Where is your action?

by kevin22262 2008-02-06 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

I just gave $10.  The Obama ppl aren't ashamed to ask for something so little.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-06 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

I made my first donation just now.

I can't afford to give a lot, at least right now, but since people here say having donors who give only small amounts is a good thing, I went ahead.  ;-)

by randym77 2008-02-06 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

Me too.

by LakersFan 2008-02-06 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

Every amount donated for either candidate is a good thing for them. The majority of new Obama donors in January gave between $5 and $25 dollars. It adds up pretty quickly when that many people donate. He's already raised $3.5 million online since polls closed last night.

by keatsheart 2008-02-06 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

I've given twice for total of $150 since last night.   For Clinton.

by rcipw 2008-02-06 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

oops.. now it's $4.3 million

by keatsheart 2008-02-06 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

could someone post a link to this growing figure. I want to follow it myself

Thanks

by cswartout 2008-02-06 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

I pulled the most recent number from Talking Points Memo.

by keatsheart 2008-02-06 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

I assume she'll be holding some fundraisers now that the schedule lightens up a bit.

You know, John McCain didn't just go broke last year, I think he stayed broke and is still broke. It didn't hurt him that much.

For my part, I just kicked in a chunk myself. Certainly she'll be outspent in the next two months, but it won't be determinative.

by OrangeFur 2008-02-06 02:28PM | 0 recs
What kind

of fundraisers?

Her base is maxed out... She can't do those 500K or million dollar fundraisers.  She's out of people who can afford 2K a plate dinners.

McCain isn't - that's why he can take a day away and do a big fundraiser... there are still big bundlers out there who haven't dropped him a dime and are now willing to grudgingly buy their access - LOTS of them.

On the D side -- all those folks have already ponied up.  The big Obama bundlers AND the big HRC bundlers.  The difference is that Obama big donor group is about 15% of his fundraising number.  For Clinton - it's closer to 85%.

She needs to get by now with small donations... but you can just spin that up because things suddenly got tough.

She's in trouble.

She needs an upset - and soon.  Definitely no later than Tuesday or Obama can blanket Texas with ads, camp in Ohio --- and just decide in the last week of February which one to win and deliver the knockout.

by zonk 2008-02-06 03:04PM | 0 recs
Maybe

I was a Dean supporter. I remember feeling pretty confident when Dean was raising money by the fistful and Kerry was loaning himself money. Turns out my confidence was misplaced.

by mhojo 2008-02-06 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe

Obama is wearing far better than Dr. Dean did.  

by cswartout 2008-02-06 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe

That was a lot earlier in the process. We're in Feb here, not Oct.

by mapantsula 2008-02-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

I gave a $100 this morning.

by Denny Crane 2008-02-06 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Does Michael Whouley work for free?

by ChrisR 2008-02-06 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

In politics, yes.

by souvarine 2008-02-06 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

This is in someways a reflection of her demographic base. Lets face it a large part of Obama's base just has more disposable income then does Clinton's or earlier Edwards.

by Judeling 2008-02-06 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

that's bullshit.
 90% of his january donations were under 100 dollars

and even then, hillary accepts pac and lobbyist money.

by Soltare 2008-02-06 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Your argument doesn't contradict what the person said. First, most of the money always comes from big contributors. (Just like our tax system.) And $100 is a lot of money to people in the $30,000 range. Not as much to people in the $75,000 range.

by OrangeFur 2008-02-06 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

I make $30,000 a year. I'm giving Obama $200 today.

by Mullibok 2008-02-06 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay
BS right back at you.
It is not the amount of the donation it is the ability to make it.
I'm not trying to stereotype but..
On one side you have people choosing to donate $25 by going to a Rally instead of a movie, on the other you have someone choosing to spend that $25 buying school pictures for their kid.
Edwards ran up against this also.
by Judeling 2008-02-06 02:53PM | 0 recs
And back at you

There are plenty of folks that are writing of skipping meals to send Obama $5, $10, whatever.

by zonk 2008-02-06 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: And back at you
I'm not arguing that Obama hasn't built an impressive fund raising structure. Nor that Clinton has taken full advantage of the new fund raising model.
But if you lay the income levels of Obama and Clinton side by side it fairly jumps off the page. Obama has a much deeper source of income then Hillary does.
by Judeling 2008-02-06 03:49PM | 0 recs
I love your attitude

by JoeySky18 2008-02-06 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Maybe it's because Clinton supporters spend their time writing Obama hit pieces on MyDD while Obama has 14-year-old supporters organizing $200,000 fundraising drives for him. Just a thought.

by animated 2008-02-06 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

hahahaha

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-06 02:11PM | 0 recs
Is this part of the total?

Does anyone know if this $5 million loan is included in the 13.5 million total or is on top of the 13.5?  If it's included then she only raised $8.5 million in January compared to his 32 million.

by minvis 2008-02-06 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this part of the total?

It is in addition to the $13.5M.

by rcipw 2008-02-06 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this part of the total?

In addition to the $13.5 million. With the loan, she raised half of what Obama did.

by keatsheart 2008-02-06 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Obama's using Hillary's 5 million as a fundraising goal.  Since the polls closed last night they have raised $3,442,985.

by Piuma 2008-02-06 02:16PM | 0 recs
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wow, if he actually managed that....
it's almost cruel in a way.
by Soltare 2008-02-06 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

The DKos diary of it has him up to 3.7 right now.  He may actually pull in 5 million in 24 hours!

by Piuma 2008-02-06 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

That is sick. Besides commercials, it will allow him to get serious amounts of paid staff into Texas and Ohio with a month to get ready. And the volunteers will be right behind them.

If I was a Clinton supporter, knowing what I know about Obama and his ground game, that is what would scare the heck out of me.

by cswartout 2008-02-06 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay
Things should get even harder for Hillary.
I know everyone is looking to Ohio, PA and Texas as the states in which Hillary puts Obama away.
I have one answer for that.
Missouri--Hillary was ahead by almost 15 points until the major AA cities started reporting and we all know how that ended.
This scenario will play out in Ohio and PA as well.
How does she a lead amongst the non super delegates again. Not gonna be easy especially with money probems.
by joachim 2008-02-06 02:33PM | 0 recs
A couple of thoughts

First, maybe it's a ploy -- make Obama think the Clinton campaign is stumbling. Maybe he'll go for a knockout blow, punch himself out foolishly, and be set up for a counterattack.

I don't think this is the case, but it's a thought.

Second, does Clinton have a lot of the old guard Democratic media strategists that like to run a bunch of TV ads because it nets them a nice contingency fee? (I seem to recall maybe she got some flat fee contracts, but can't remember for sure.)

by mhojo 2008-02-06 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of thoughts

Penn probably.

by MNPundit 2008-02-06 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of thoughts

There is no ploy when you announce you loaned $5 million to your campaign and may do it again.  Sorry.

They should be damn happy that this hit the news today and not last week.  At least their people can keep a secret.

As for the media strategists, not sure what you are getting at. TV ads cost money. The making of them is the cheap part.  The airing is the expensive part.

by cswartout 2008-02-06 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of thoughts

If it's a ploy, it's another failed one and a big miscalculation.  Didn't they learn anything from January when they released that they raised more money than Barack in Q4, so Plouffe sent an email let's make up the difference and they raised 8 million in a week.  And now with this news, Plouffe immediately sent out an email let's match it and already they're edging 4 million already in the 21 hours since the polls closed.  

by Piuma 2008-02-06 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of thoughts

As far as the media strategists, one of the criticisms of Democratic media strategists in years past was their incentive to run expensive TV ads for which they got paid a percentage of the expenditure as opposed to exploring more effective media strategies that might be less lucrative to the strategist.

by mhojo 2008-02-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
If

having a burn rate that requires you to lend yourself 5 mil BEFORE SuperTuesday is a "ploy" -- then everyone should vote against her.

Because anyone that finds any good under such a ploy is too stupid to be a major party candidate.

It's not the end of her campaign -- it's not even a mortal wound... but it's hardly a "ploy", not matter how much the spinning tops of Ambinder, Beeton and company want to hope it is.

It's bad news.  Pure and simple.

by zonk 2008-02-06 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: A couple of thoughts

Clinton uses flat fee contracts, as did Edwards. Obama pays percentage commissions. David Axelrod is now a rich man.

by souvarine 2008-02-06 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

Does this mean we will be seeing fewer posts on MyDD from Seymour Glass and SusanHu since the paychecks have stopped coming in????

by riverred 2008-02-06 03:10PM | 0 recs
how much money does she have anyway?

the clinton's net worth, what range?  is 5 mil to her like fiv mil is to romney, or does it hurt more?  i can't imagine she has anything near romney's money, but still how big a chunk is five million.  also, is this a new york thing, have your staff work for free for a month and hope for the best, or just new york politicos?

by Doug Tuttle 2008-02-06 03:16PM | 0 recs
Fundraising

Yet another reason why Obama is a better general election candidate than Clinton.

by AC4508 2008-02-06 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

All this talk about money is making my head spin. Why don't we just give the nomination to Obama now because clearly people need to see an ad in order to make their voting decision. I'm sorry, but that just makes me depressed.

by Dari 2008-02-06 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay
It's not just ads, I guess, but the ability to send staff to primary and caucus states for organizational purposes.
by vj 2008-02-06 06:39PM | 0 recs

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