Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

More new numbers from Wisconsin seem to raise the question, at least to me, as to why Hillary Clinton is not personally campaigning in the state.

The Democratic Presidential Primary in Wisconsin may be the most competitive contest between Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton since Super Tuesday.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Obama with a narrow four-point advantage over Clinton, 47% to 43%. Nearly one-fourth of the voters say there's a good chance they might change their mind. Five percent (5%) of those who currently support Obama and Clinton say there's a good chance they could change their mind before voting.

Clinton leads by ten points among women but trails by twenty-three points among men. Clinton leads among voters over 65 while Obama has the edge among younger voters.

This is the second straight poll showing Barack Obama's lead in Wisconsin within the margin of error. The Pollster.com average out of the state has the margin between Obama and Clinton at less than 5 points. It sure seems, as Rasmussen says in its lede, that this is a tight race.

These numbers combined really have me scratching my head. Why is Clinton not personally campaigning in the Badger State? I understand that the Clinton campaign is advertising in the state (though how powerful are ads calling for a debate in a state when the candidate running the ad isn't even personally campaigning in the state?), that top surrogates for her campaign are holding events there, and that she will be in the state beginning this weekend. But with Clinton seemingly having the opportunity to go into mini-Super Tuesday at the beginning of March with ay least one recent win under her belt rather than 10 straight losses, I just plain don't understand why she's in Ohio the next two days rather than in Wisconsin. Ohio and Texas are important. But are they really worth somewhat shirking Wisconsin for?

Tags: Democratic primaries, Hillary Clinton, Wisconsin, Wisconsin Primary (all tags)

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Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Maybe their internal poll numbers don't look as good.

by conspiracy 2008-02-14 08:18AM | 0 recs
it's pretty simple

She wants to campaign there enough that she has a chance to win, but not so much that losing there counts.

by Adam B 2008-02-14 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I'm not sure if this is factored into the polls so far, but if you look at the CNN Exit poll from 2004:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primari es/pages/epolls/WI/index.html

Almost 40% of the Democratic Primary in WI was made up of R's and I's.  This makes the state hard for Clinton.

by tom32182 2008-02-14 08:20AM | 0 recs
Good point

Also, there is SAME DAY REGISTRATION in that state thus more young people may be voting this year.

Should be interesting how it turns out.

by puma 2008-02-14 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Yeah.. But that was back when people didn't want to be associated with Dems because of their utter ineptitude.  So if asked they probably wouldn't have admitted it even if they were registered Dem.

by recusancy 2008-02-14 08:38AM | 0 recs
Opportunity for Repubs

...to have some fun by voting for Hillary and getting a nasty convention battle with super-delegates and Bill.

by ab initio 2008-02-14 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I thought Hillary was going to be in Wisconsin from Saturday up to primary day.

by mikelow1885 2008-02-14 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Hillary will be in Wisconsin from Friday until primary day. I would hardly call that not personally campaigning in that state.

by americanincanada 2008-02-14 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I'm looking at her schedule right now. She's not scheduled to be in Wisconsin today or tomorrow. My point is that she's not there right now. But beyond that, parachuting in a few days before an election when your competitor has been there for a week isn't always terribly successful (particularly when it undermines an argument that you're making in your own ad -- namely that your opponent is afraid to face the voters in the state).

by Jonathan Singer 2008-02-14 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Obama is gone from WI - will he be back before the primary?

by ocli 2008-02-14 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

He's taking a day off to be with his wife and daughters on Valentine's Day.  This is something which actually plays well with voters.  Michelle often talks about how in the midst of all this campaigning he hasn't missed a Parent-Teacher conference, how he came home to buy the Christmas tree with the kids, how he took her out for dinner on her anniversary.  It is very effective and I wouldn't doubt if Michelle's appearance on Larry King Monday night played an important part in his improvement in the 60+ demographic on Tuesday.

By the way, he is in Green Bay, Oshkosh, and Milwaukee tomorrow.

by Piuma 2008-02-14 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin
She is not in Wisconsin because she is afraid of losing.  
If she decided to stand and fight in WI and lost, she would be forced to bow out on the 20th.
by gil 2008-02-14 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

So it's not that she's afraid of losing, it's just that she's afraid of what would happen if she lost?

Did Clinton skip the torture vote because she thought it might outlaw her supporters' brand of logic?

by EMTP democrat 2008-02-14 10:40AM | 0 recs
Good question

I don't understand why HRC is not campaigning more vigorously in Wisconsin for she could win this state.

Granted she will be there Saturday, Sunday, and Monday but she should have been there earlier.

If she loses this state than this will be because of once again POOR PLANNING.

by puma 2008-02-14 08:24AM | 0 recs
4 days of campaigning in the state

in the lead up to the primary

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-14 08:26AM | 0 recs
Actually only 3 days

Saturday, Sunday, and Monday=3 days.

The primary is Tuesday.

by puma 2008-02-14 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

The narrative that's most favorable to her is that if she wins Texas and Ohio, then she goes on to Pennsylvania; if she loses either Texas or Ohio, then she's done.  While a win in Wisconsin would be a great asset for her in order to win in Ohio and Texas, it also changes the narrative a little.  If she campaigns aggressively in Wisconsin and loses, there will be more calls for her to drop out and for superdelegates to jump ship.  Taking a more hands-off approach, it keeps the focus on Texas and Ohio now, and keeps the calls to drop out at bay until the results there.

by DaveOinSF 2008-02-14 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: A W is a W

Bravo. I couldn't resist.

by seand 2008-02-14 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: A W is a W

Well, yes, a W is a W.  But taking a more muted approach gives plausible deniability in case she doesn't W.  At the same time, in case she does W, it's not as if she has zero presence in the state, so she'll be able to play it up as much as possible in case it does happen.

by DaveOinSF 2008-02-14 08:39AM | 0 recs
Aren't we

past the point where Hillary can play games like this?

When you are down in pledged delegates by more than 100, 'plausible deniability' is meaningless.  She needs EVERY SINGLE DELEGATE that she can get.  Not fighting hard for all of them is a sign of weakness.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-14 08:41AM | 0 recs
Exceeding expectations

is no longer the game.

The game is to win States and delegates.

If Obama wins Wisconsin he can lose Ohio, Texas and Penn and still win the nomination.

by fladem 2008-02-14 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Exceeding expectations

But this stuff is also proportional.

by rcipw 2008-02-14 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Exceeding expectations

And he'll win NC which is the fourth of the remaining 4 big states.

by poserM 2008-02-14 10:02AM | 0 recs
that's right...

and if she can't materially crack an Obama 100 pledged delegate lead by 3/5 she's toast because Obama has offsets in all States thereafter.  North Carolina, Wyoming and Mississippi are the offsets to Pennsylvania (NC, WY and MS = 160 delegates; PA = 158 delegates).  Indiana: toss-up.  Oregon offsets Kentucky.  Montana and South Dakota offset West Virginia.  Puerto Rico: who knows?  

by mboehm 2008-02-14 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Loving this logic. It's what got the Clinton camp their 0-8 streak.

by EMTP democrat 2008-02-14 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

It's the difference between an 0-10 streak and a withdrawl and an 0-10 streak and the expectation that she's still got a chance.  All I said was that this is her best bet, not that it's a very good sot.

by DaveOinSF 2008-02-14 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Hillary has the same problem as Rudy, she doesn't want to look like a loser. So everytime she loses, she acts like she wasn't really trying and/or it doesn't mean anything because of the demographics etc.

by animated 2008-02-14 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I think this is probably right, hell has she even mentioned the Potomac Primaries (remeber she spent 4 days in VA).

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-14 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Nope she has not uttered one word about the potomac primaries. I suppose that is because there is no real way to argue the process was against here there.

They weren't caucuses. Also, she lost among her key demographics (women, latinos, and older voters.)I think anything she said about those primaries would have sounded defeatist or disingenuous and that is why she kept quiet; I don't really blame her.  

by JDF 2008-02-14 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama didn't even speak after NV, he didn't

Whats your point?

And how does this relate to my statement?

I was pointing out a completely valid reason for Hillary's non-response to the Potomac primaries. Not discussing the merits of civility.

As to not know acknowledging California, why would he? He got a lot of delegates and Super Tuesday was a good day for him (as has every day since been.)

by JDF 2008-02-14 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

And how did that work out for Rudy?

by EMTP democrat 2008-02-14 10:42AM | 0 recs
Because that would make Wisonsin 'significant'

And Hillary wants to keep making the case that she's running the table in the states that 'count', where these are defined as the states in which she's focused her resources.

by seand 2008-02-14 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Because that would make Wisonsin 'significant'

She spent a hell of a lot of time in VA to pretend it didn't count.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-14 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Because that would make Wisonsin 'significant'

she's probably kicking herself for this: "shoulda been in Texas, shoulda been in Texas, shoulda been in Texas"

by poserM 2008-02-14 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Will Hillary find a reason to write off the whole election if Barack gets the nomination?

by animated 2008-02-14 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I would like to believe that she would unite with the rest of the party behind Obama. I don't think she will though. I think she will talk about how it is an undemocratic process that needs changed (which is true, but we need to wait to talk about this until after the GE is over,) and then she will sit this election out and hope that Obama flames out so that she can try again in 4 years.

by JDF 2008-02-14 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Perhaps she's listening too much to Mark Penn who tells her what  the "important" states.

by bruh21 2008-02-14 08:33AM | 0 recs
I agree

though I would remove perhaps from your sentence.

Mark Penn is quickly meriting inclusion in the Democratic Hall of Disasterous Consultants which currently highlights the misadvantures of Bob Shrum and Joe Trippi.  

by fladem 2008-02-14 09:12AM | 0 recs
Yes, But Get Used to Seeing THIS sort of headline

Former Clinton Superdelegate Switches to Support Barack Obama

Christine "Roz" Samuels, a superdelegate from Montclair, New Jersey, announced today that she is switching her support from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama...

Samuels cited Obama's ability to unite the country...

I now support Barack Obama because he has brought about a new wave of hope and energy to this country, especially among our young people, who represent our future. People want to see change. Barack can help unite this country and help us embrace our diverse nation.

I am also proud to support Senator Obama because he spoke clearly and forcefully against the war in Iraq from the start. I know he has the leadership to make sure we bring our young men and women home as quickly and carefully as possible, and  ensure all Americans have access to affordable health care.

Samuels served as Secretary-Treasurer of the Newark Teachers' Union, Local 481 from 1995 until 2007. Samuels is a former Commissioner of the Essex County Board of Elections, a member of the Montclair Democratic Committee, and active in the Montclair and state-wide NAACP.

The first of many, I am sure.

by a gunslinger 2008-02-14 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, But Get Used to Seeing THIS sort of headl

I think the endorsement yesterday of Obama by David Wilhelm, Cliinton's 1992 campaign manager, is going to start loosening many of these early Clinton superdelegates.  The main focus of his endorsement was GE electability, something near and dear to the SDs own self-survival.

by Piuma 2008-02-14 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Jonathan she's trying to run-up the scores in Ohio and Texas.  That's why shes not in Wisconsin because  there are more delegates at stake in the two other primarys

by nzubechukwu 2008-02-14 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

The only problem with that approach is that in Texas, it's going to be hard for her to run up a big delegate margin because of how the delegates are allocated in the primary and because 1/3 of the delegates are determined by caucuses held later in the day.

In looking at the results so far, she has done well in Tenn, western Virginia and western Maryland. That would lead you to think she would do well in Ohio (and Kentucky and Pennsylvania as well). I would think a better allocation of her resources would be to spend more time in WI and less time in OH and TX at the moment.

by kjblair2 2008-02-14 08:51AM | 0 recs
which is repeating

the same mistake she made on Super Tuesday.

by fladem 2008-02-14 09:13AM | 0 recs
Because while Wisconsin is important....

...Ohio is must win for her.  I am saying that as a strong Clinton supporter.

I think she will make a strong push in Wisconsin, and she can get within a few points still.

I would say there is also the possibility that her internals show her way down there or surging, in which case they think a strong close will help.

I think that if she was writing off the state she wouldn't be on tv there.

by rcipw 2008-02-14 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Because while Wisconsin is important....

I think she is hoping to close fast (like she did in NH,) and if Obama is off his game (although I see no evidence that he is,) she will be able to.

What I think will happen is that it will be similar to the way Virginia played out (although far closer statistically.) I remember that less than a week out there were some people here talking about her winning in VA. We are going to see the same type of discussion this weekend and Monday but she will ultimately lose by 6-12. It will still look far better for her than the Potomac states did; but I still tend to believe this is pretty much over.

by JDF 2008-02-14 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

She will be there Saturday through Monday.  Those plans were known Monday night.

by ocli 2008-02-14 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I think it is the independents.  Perhaps the polls are not accurately projecting the number of indies likely to vote for Obama next Tuesday.  If this is a poll of likely Dems and he is ahead by 5% he will blow her away when the indies are added in.

by upper left 2008-02-14 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Obama has already left WI. I am not even sure he plans to go back at all before the primary.

by americanincanada 2008-02-14 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

He's holding 3 rallies there tomorrow.

by tom32182 2008-02-14 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

He's in Green Bay, Oshkosh, and Milwaukee tomorrow.

by Piuma 2008-02-14 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Um, he's taking Valentine's day off, I can understand how a fan of the Clinton's would be confused by this, but most couples like to spend Valentine's Day together. (That may have been harsh, and if so I apologize, but this criticism is so weak).

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-14 09:23AM | 0 recs
She needs to get in and loud

The media is making Wisconsin 'a' if not 'the' final showdown state, however much Hill might wish that wasn't the case. She made a strong populist case yesterday in Ohio, she needs to get that out, and hit Obama from the populist left with it. That's where the votes are.

by fairleft 2008-02-14 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: She needs to get in and loud
The media is sick of the Primary
Too expensive to have all of these reporters out there and they are trying to finish it one way or another
by gil 2008-02-14 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Hillary may not be in Wisconsin, but Bill sure is.  Look up his calendar of appearances and speeches.  He's in there big time.

by napa 2008-02-14 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Has sending Bill instead of HIllary worked so far?  I think it both insults the voters and reinforces the co-Presidency image which no longer is a successful strategy.

by Piuma 2008-02-14 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Obama 58
Clinton 42..

16 points looks like a solid spread to me. The fact that Clinton won't be in the state until this weekend must show that the internal polling equal doom. Pimping votes ain't easy when you play the victim card all the time.

by Djneedle83 2008-02-14 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

where is this poll from?

by gil 2008-02-14 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

I love how Quinnipiac does rolling polling. It's to the same degree as when colleges do rolling admissions.

There are parts of Ohio/PA that are pretty redneck.

by Djneedle83 2008-02-14 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Hillay goes left Ha Ha Only proves that she is pandering not leading.

Obama is changing America for the better and when he comes down to it he has more actual legislative experience.

How can you sit on the Board at Walmart and claim to support unions?

by jproctor 2008-02-14 09:07AM | 0 recs
I don't have much confidence

That the people running Hillary's campaign have any idea what to do next.

I don't see a lot of evidence of a new plan, or creative thinking.

by vj 2008-02-14 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

She doesn't have the cash...  I know, I know... she supposedly raised a gagillion dollars in the last two weeks...  If she really has the money, she's definitely not spending it.  That leads me to believe that the money that she's brought in isn't liquid or available to her... or, that she really doesn't care about Wisconsin.

Personally, I don't understand it, either...  If I were her, I'd be there every minute of every day...  you have time to solidify Texas and Ohio...  right now, you can't take another loss...

But I guess they know better, considering they've lost like ten in a row?

Thanks,

Mike

by LordMike 2008-02-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

They're going to take another press hit next week when the details of January fundraising and spending are released.  The difference is going to be huge.  

by Piuma 2008-02-14 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

The whole way the Clinton's are handling the Superdelegates and the Primary vs. Caucus issues plays right into their weakness: that they are viewed as being divisive.  Look at this amazing quote by Bill yesterday on the stump, from ABC News:


Of his wife's recent travails, he said, "the caucuses aren't good for her. They disproportionately favor upper-income voters who, who, don't really need a president but feel like they need a change."

On face value it is absurd, as an explanation for the huge wins in Idaho, Nebraska, and Maine patently ridiculous, but beyond that what does it seek to do - pit lower-income Democrats against upper-income Democrats.  Is this the big tent of the Democratic Party?

by Piuma 2008-02-14 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

So the Clintons have now written off upper-income voters, blacks, the youth vote, and critical swing states like CO, IA, ME, MN, WA, and they somehow are going to get it done in the general?  You have got to be kidding.

by Nissl 2008-02-14 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's hits on Clinton's record is so bad

But Clinton hitting him on Rezko, calling him "all hat and no cattle" in an allusion to Dubya, playing the race card on him, etc. isn't divisive.  That's just vetting him for the general.  Right.

And you know exactly what Obama said about RR, that he had a bigger impact than Clinton.  Not that it was a good impact, just that it was a bigger one.

by Nissl 2008-02-14 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

So all those people renting out the Lincoln bedroom in the '90's didn't need a president?

by rfahey22 2008-02-14 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

Maybe, she's like Guiliani and the more time she spends in a state the worse she does?

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-14 09:25AM | 0 recs
Tight Race in Wisconsin

Wisconsin sits right next to Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois.  I don't see any reasons why we should expect that the results of the WI primary are going to be dramatically different than those states.

by global yokel 2008-02-14 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: It's more like Michigan actually---

As soon as you get Obama's name off the ballot, you should be all set to win it, then.

by NJIndependent 2008-02-14 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: It's more like Michigan actually---

Obama took his own name off in Michigan.

by gomer 2008-02-14 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

bluestate,

Were you responding to my post?  Take a look at the map, and you'll see Wisconsin's neighbors.  Michigan is further away, across the big lake.  WI actually borders MN, IA, and IL.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/ele ctricity/images/us%20map.gif

And as far as Michigan goes, I'd be delighted to see a legitimate primary or caucus take place there.  With the significant African-American population in that state, Obama would rock.  Hillary only got 55% of the vote there when she ran unopposed in that bogus 'primary.'

by global yokel 2008-02-14 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

What does it say about the state of Clinton campaign where they have to consider MI a victory.

If that is the best she's got she should step down

by gil 2008-02-14 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

It's simple Jonathan - if she contests the state hard and loses, it looks like a bigger loss. If she concedes the state and loses, it buffers the loss.

The WORST thing you can do is half ass it. You make sure you lose and you still get stung with the expectation of doing better than you did.

by washingtoncritic 2008-02-14 10:45AM | 0 recs
Um-- he has a rally scheduled and

Most people like to spend Valentine's day in the same sate as their spouse, but then again the Clinton's aren't most people.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-14 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Still a Tight Race in Wisconsin

The Clinton campaign DOES have her scheduled to campaign there for several days, Saturday through Tuesday, I believe is what I read.

by CognitiveDissonance 2008-02-14 11:48AM | 0 recs

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