Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Might Lose

One unusual aspect of Super Tuesday that seems to have gone unnoticed is that despite the national popular vote splitting so evenly at 48%-48%, very few of the state primaries and caucuses were actually all that close at all.  

Of 22 Democratic primaries and caucuses, only six were decided by a margin of ten points or less, and only three were actually close, coming within a margin of five points or less.  Why?  Because most of these states simply weren't even contested.  The Clinton campaign had television ads running in only half the February 5th states, and there were numerous states in which they didn't bother to run an active field campaign.

The Clinton campaign made clear that it planned to win Super Tuesday based on a tight four-state strategy, focusing on California, New York, New Jersey, and Arkansas, which, they frequently cited, made up 40% of the delegates assigned --- a strange strategy in a system that isn't winner-take-all.  Clinton's name recognition and her general support level across the country would have to hold her up in the vast swaths of the country that she had already conceded.

This strategy of focusing hard on winning the biggest states turned out to be one of this campaign season's great blunders, and it is one that the Clinton campaign seems to make repeatedly.  The Obama campaign has repeatedly found ways to get ahead in the delegate count, out-organizing rural areas of Nevada to win an extra delegate while the Clinton campaign won Clark County, and then repeating that success to run a field campaign across 22 states that kept the delegate count close in states Clinton won and racked up the delegates in states Clinton did not bother to contest.

The Clinton campaign has responded by pleading that its financial resources were stretched --- despite raising over a hundred million dollars in campaign funds over 2007, and despite a loan of $5 million (nearly four times Obama's net worth, by the way) that topped her some $13 million cash on hand and $13.5 million raised in December.  That's some $30 million in funds.

It was not a lack of funds that led the Clinton campaign to ignore rural areas, to write off multiple states.  Rather, the Clinton campaign seemed oddly unprepared, clinging to a misjudgment, counting on national poll numbers, unwilling to run the expansive grassroots national campaign that the Obama campaign had been preparing for for months.

By the time Super Tuesday was over, it was clear that the Clinton campaign had done little to build organizations in the subsequent primaries and could do little to contest them.  Yesterday alone, they fell an additional fifty delegates behind.  Ignoring states you think you will lose only means that you lose them more badly --- instead of trying to even up the delegate count.

And that must be the most frustrating part for the Clinton campaign.  In many of these states, there is little doubt that they have probably left delegates on the table.

Despite Howard Wolfson's claims post-Iowa that the delegate count was paramount, the Clinton campaign never seemed to act like it, as Obama won a pledged delegate lead in Iowa and simply never let it go, adding a delegate here and a delegate there, slowly running up his count, patiently organizing future contests.  There's talk already that this lead in the delegate count is, or soon will be, insurmountable.

The Clinton campaign might just be learning its lesson:

In addition to focusing on the large states -- something Cecil admitted had been their focus -- they are "opening offices" and "hiring staff" in Wyoming, Montana and even Puerto Rico to try to get every delegate possible in "congressional districts where we can be successful."

Though you have to wonder if it might be too late.

Postscript: Actually, Maggie Williams seems to be making almost exactly the same point today, describing the campaign's mistakes:

- That they didn't plan aggressively for small states, which allowed Obama to rack up delegates and project momentum.
- That the campaign will use volunteers in a larger role in the remaining contests.

Can I point something out though?  It's great that the Clinton campaign has discovered grassroots campaigning, but its examples are a little scary: sure, Wyoming votes on March 8th, but Montana votes on June 3rd and Puerto Rico on June 7th.

Tags: 2008, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, president, Primaries, Super Tuesday (all tags)

Comments

76 Comments

Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

This is truly one of the more compelling "electability" arguments that no one seems to be talking about.  Regardless of how you feel about Clinton as a candidate, do you really want to have the nominee discover the value of grassroots organizing in the midst of the campaign season, months behind everyone else?

by rfahey22 2008-02-13 01:11PM | 0 recs
In defense of Hillary

Her team just never adjusted to the new paradigm.  She had a lot of campaign staff that said "well, this is how we did things in the past" and they had won campaigns.  But since that time the Internet was created, the Dean campaign created the genesis for what could have been done, etc., etc...

Hillary's outmoded campaign would have worked great.  In 2000.

And let's give credit where its due:

The knock on Obama has been his inexperience.  Irrespective of what you think of him now, there is no doubt that he has headed a spectacularly run multi-million $ organization.

This has been the best run campaign I have ever witnessed.

by ChrisR 2008-02-13 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

When this this is all overand done, consultants will spend a lot of time analyzing how Clinton and Romney both lost it when they should have had it in the bag.

by PhilFR 2008-02-13 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Romney actually followed the small state strategy too.

by andgarden 2008-02-13 01:20PM | 0 recs
I wonder if it might have worked, had Republicans

used a more proportional delegate distribution system.  It's those winner-take-all states that the Republican party still insists upon that did in Romney.

by psericks 2008-02-13 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

And that doesn't work in the Republican race because most of the states are winner-take-all. Obama would be far behind Clinton if she won all of the delegates from NY, NJ, CA, and FL instead of just a slim majority. Obama's game works best in a proportional primary but not in a first-past-the-post system. Conversely, Clinton's strategy is good enough for a winner-take-all system, but doesn't work in the Democratic primary.

by Kal 2008-02-13 01:30PM | 0 recs
Quite

so what does that tell us about November?

by andgarden 2008-02-13 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite

On the one hand, it shows us that Clinton really F'd up. By going after a handful of states and giving up on the rest, she showed that she was unable to adapt to the rules of the primary system.

On the other hand, it shows us that Obama is going to have to shift his strategy to win in the general election. It's good to have field offices and supporters in every state, and it will force McCain to spend extra money shoring up his support in some traditionally red areas. However, Obama is going to have to focus on a few key swing states, like Iowa, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and the Southwest.

by Kal 2008-02-13 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite
While his grass roots might not help in every state there are two things that I feel need to be pointed out:
  1. There will be more states in play (VA, CO, MT, one of the Dakotas, -- all have a greater than 50% chance of going blue in 08 with Obama)
  2. Grassroots will really help the downticket races, we can steal districts where we haven't had a chance before due to organizational support porvided by the Obama campaign.
by Socraticsilence 2008-02-13 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite

A couple of questions.

First, VA and CO have already been trending blue and I think any Dem would have a shot in both states (not to say whether Obama or Hillary would have a better shot at doing so).  But what evidence supports MT or the Dakotas turning blue because of Obama?  I'm not sure winning the Democratic caucus translates into winning the state.

Second, it seems that a lot of Obama support, especially new support, is all about Obama and not about the Democratic party generally.  In addition, Obama's message is about change against the entire system, Democrats included.  What evidence is there to suggest that the Obama campaign will help down ticket races or that Obama supporters will be moved to help anyone beyond Obama?

by drpd02 2008-02-13 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite

Well...

MT has two Dem Senators, an enormously popular Dem governor, (I believe) a Dem statehouse --- and Obama, as the "post-partisan", anti-establishment themes taps into exactly the vein that Gov Schweitzer and John Tester rode to victory.

I would expect - and hope - that Obama might put some effort in Montana.  Obviously, it's probably too small (EC wise) to camp in -- but I would hope he hits Billings or some such in Montana.

I think Obama could poach a state that would probably shock the media.

by zonk 2008-02-13 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite

There's already evidence that Obama has coattails. Look at Donna Edwards and compare her results last night with how she did in 2006.

by Kal 2008-02-13 03:40PM | 0 recs
SOrry

missed Q2.

I think the evidence is in the the red state endorsements.

What's more - the key is in the new voters.  It's the flipside of the broad brush these new voters get painted with --- as uninformed and celebrity driven.... well... do you think they'll just leave down ballot blank?

Even beyond that -- while folks poke fun at Obama's win in ID, look at it this way.

We've got a fairly strong candidate for the ID-SEN seat (Larry LaRocco)... former Church staffer, Army Captain, former member of congress.  Ordinarily -- that would be a nice, but not nearly enough... now add the ongoing Larry Craig saga.... now remember the low population in ID.

It wouldn't take much to pull a shocker.... but let's say that Obama draws an extra 2K... or 5K... or 10K voters in Boise and surrounding environs.  Check Tester's win and vote total in MT -- it can happen.

I'm not betting money on LaRocco winning with Obama atop the ticket -- but give me odds and I would.

by zonk 2008-02-13 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Very good point.

There's a continuous pattern here with Clinton: being very slow to adapt to changes on the ground. Her large state strategy made sense if (as was once assumed) she'd take the lion's share of votes. When it turned into a real contest, they stuck to the old game plan.

Likewise, she was very slow to drop the "my victory is inevitable" meme. And now she's wearing out the "states I win don't matter" meme.

Honestly, I though she was more nimble than she's proved to be.

by PhilFR 2008-02-13 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Of course, the above should say "states I DON'T win don't matter".

by PhilFR 2008-02-13 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

In a winner-take-all system Obama would still be ahead of Clinton, 1096 to 1075.

by seppalta 2008-02-17 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

There's a difference between field organizing and running ads.  

by zonk 2008-02-13 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

A well done, fair-minded diary, psericks. Clinton made a huge strategic mistake ignoring caucus states. I pray it is not fatal.

by souvarine 2008-02-13 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

And kudos to Obama on this, he changed the rules of the game (in a good way).

by souvarine 2008-02-13 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

Good analysis -- as a question to Clinton supporters in states that have already voted, is the campaign keeping you involved in the upcoming races? This past weekend, just in my one congressional district, Obama had 6 phonebanks running calling into Maryland. The Clinton org just seems to be sitting around and licking its wounds. Don't know if that's just a local phenomenon, or if it's being played out in a lot of places.

by scvmws 2008-02-13 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

This is a bit of hearsay so take it as you will, but...

...I live in California and am a later convert to the Obama campaign (I was for Edwards until he withdrew).  A friend of mine has been a steady supporter of Clinton.  We're both veterans of Democratic campaigns here in California.

So what's my point?  I get cheery emails with suggestions of things I can do to help almost every day.  Lots of thank yous, lots of updates.  My friend, who is honestly more dedicated than I am, said she's never found it so hard to really get into working  a campaign.  Except for online phone banking scripts, she's not being given anything to do.

She's really feeling frustrated and unappreciated.

by mijita 2008-02-13 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table:

I think this puts the lie to the claim that Clinton would be the stronger nominee come November.  

As Clinton's national finance chair himself said:


we didn't put any resources in those small states.

Doesn't exactly generate confidence in how she would run a general election campaign.  

by gobacktotexas 2008-02-13 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Well done Psericks!

Another thing that irks me is the $4 million spent on political consultants and the $500,000 spent on parking, by the Clinton campaign. These are expenditures that I do not think were wise; money they could have applied to more grassroots organizing. Clearly they did not have a 50 State Strategy. The Electorate has changed over the last 4 years. The caucuses do matter; a 50 + 1 strategy no longer works....

by rapcetera 2008-02-13 01:20PM | 0 recs
Two words

Michigan and Florida

And four more:

Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Wisconsin

Prediction: Obama may feel compelled to leave the race because he has no broad coalition of support in traditional Democratic states.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-13 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

Oh yeah, and Pennsylvania, so five

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-13 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

"Michigan and Florida" is three words.  :)

by rfahey22 2008-02-13 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

Are three words, rather.  Now I'm doing it, too.

by rfahey22 2008-02-13 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

hahahah

We're stupid.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-02-13 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

Four words (and a link):

Rasmussen General Election Polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/colorado/colorado_2008 _presidential_election

Want to stomp the republicans in November?

No?

Go Hillary!

by MGarvey 2008-02-13 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

Support is support. A delegate from Idaho has the same weight as a delegate from California.

Even if Clinton's delegates from FL and MI are counted, and even if Obama gets nothing from MI, he's still ahead right now. Clinton would gain 111 delegates while Obama is ahead by 135.

Even under those best-case conditions for Clinton, she'd still have to net +25 delegates out of the next few months. It's more than just OH, TX, PA, and RI. There's also Wyoming, Vermont, Mississippi, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, Hawaii, and North Carolina. I don't see her coming out on top after all those states have voted.

by Kal 2008-02-13 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words
Two words:  North Carolina.
Just mentioning because it should go Obama by VA numbers (assuming he doesn't wrap the race 3/4) and it has more delegates than NJ or Mass.
by Socraticsilence 2008-02-13 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

Why would traditional Democratic states go Republican? Are the Democrats going to sit at home?

by illlaw1 2008-02-13 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Two words

Media commentaries are pumping up this election relative to elected delegates as being much closer than it is.  There remains 532 delegates from Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania and Kentucky.  A worst case scenario would be Clinton winning these by an average 55-45% for about a 55 delegate pick-up.  There is an additional 493 delegates not yet decided in states similar to what Obama has been winning by 60-40% or better.  That should more than compensate for a 55 delegate loss.  Obama shoud be somewhere between 140 and 300 elected delegates ahead of Clinton at the finish.

by seppalta 2008-02-17 09:53PM | 0 recs
Yup

There's really not a whole lot more to say than that: yup.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-02-13 01:23PM | 0 recs
Why Clinton Might Lose

I'm hoping that some of Hillary's supporters and the fence-sitters are going to come over to Obama once they realize just how poorly her campaign has been run.  The Obama people have been two steps ahead since the beginning.

Given who Hillary hired to run her effort, I would hate to see who she would pick to fill out her Cabinet if she ever got into the White House.

by global yokel 2008-02-13 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

Another side of this story that I don't really see mentioned in the press is that Obama's 50-state strategy will prove to be a boon to both the party and regional candidates. He has activated the long-dormant political machinery and grassroots democrats of tens of states that never see that sort of enthusiasm and energy. If he gets the nomination, I feel that he can actually fight McCain in some surprise places and help Democrats running for offices in those states in a big way.

On the other side of the stick, the Clintons not only have ignored most of these states, they have openly voiced contempt of them and attempted to refer to them as insignificant. This is horrible poison. The Democrats may not be able to beat McCain this cycle in, say, Nebraska, but what about electing a Democratic congressman or congresswoman there?

by beanbagz 2008-02-13 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

hey you beat me to it!  ;)

by Doug Tuttle 2008-02-13 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

One of the things that has turned me from an Obama supporter to a passionate Obama supporter is the way he mobilized the grassroots all over America. A Democrat in Idaho is just as important to us as a Democrat in Ohio or New Hampshire. The more energy, effort, money, and attention he has lavished on some of these deep red states the less red they will be in the future.

By growing these organizations I also see the potential for a GE blowout. He will be able to rely on proven organizations in states across the country to push back against the traditional Republican domination. Again, he may not win Nebraska, but that fight will attract fighters and those people will help the next Democrat congressperson get elected there.

That's what it's all about to me. Pushing the progressive movement from sea to sea.

by beanbagz 2008-02-13 01:44PM | 0 recs
The Clinton team has not run a great campaign

I give Credit to Obama and his team for running a great campaign.

The Clinton campaign seems lumbering and old fashioned in comparison to the nimble Obama operation.  They don't have much time to turn it around.

Things will get interesting if they do manage to adjust.

by vj 2008-02-13 01:25PM | 0 recs
50-state strategy

This is one of the reasons why I don't believe she would be a good nominee.  As this diary clearly showed, she was never willing to invest in a 50-state strategy, Obama is.  In the GE does anyone believe she would contest some of the larger red states, like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina, Arizona, or Indiana?  We wouldn't have much, if any shot at these states now, but if she set up the groundwork, in a few cycles we would.  We won two seats in Florida (three if you count fl-13) because the focus on Florida helped set up an infrastructure.  Granted it didn't help win much else, but it did help.  We came close in so many house races in Ohio, due in part to the infrastructure the Kerry campaign helped create.  if Obama is the nominee, runs a truly national campaign, and sets up a dem infrastructure in every state we could see states start switching in a few cycles, and house seats switching as early as next cycle (though that might be a bit optimistic, maybe even HOPEful?)  

Kerry ceded numerous states in 2004, and went towards the Ohio-Florida strategy.  We couldn't do better in 2004, we can in 2008.  If Hillary isn't willing to establish a 50-satte strategy, she shouldn't be the nominee.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-02-13 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Obama is a validation of the 50 state strategy, thus he is the stronger nominee. Competing everywhere is a winning strategy, and good for governance. The last thing we need is another 50%+1 presidency.

by s5 2008-02-13 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

Good analysis -- as a question to Clinton supporters in states that have already voted, is the campaign keeping you involved in the upcoming races? This past weekend, just in my one congressional district, Obama had 6 phonebanks running calling into Maryland. The Clinton org just seems to be sitting around and licking its wounds. Don't know if that's just a local phenomenon, or if it's being played out in a lot of places.

by scvmws 2008-02-13 01:28PM | 0 recs
Well

MANY people in the media, the blogs, the pundints, etc were talking about how she was so far ahead in the polls, she had enough money to run her primary campaign and start off very well in the GE.

If Obama had been in the same situation, I think he also might have sat back a bit to long before jumping up and saying ... "Oh Shit"!

by kevin22262 2008-02-13 01:30PM | 0 recs
did I say that?

No.

The general feeling across this country and within the political circles was as I stated. Why do you think the polls were as the were?
Don't try and spin what I said into a negative about her governing style.

If you notice I also said that I believe the same would have occured within the Obama camp had the roles been reversed.

by kevin22262 2008-02-13 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: did I say that?

But they weren't reversed and now he has put into place the infrastructure to help the Democratic party if he is the nominee. She has belittled a dozen states as meaningless or insignificant.

Regardless of what Obama MIGHT have done, he HAS taken up the standard of the 50-state stategy and positioned the Democrats to surge across the country. She has not.

by beanbagz 2008-02-13 01:55PM | 0 recs
Actually

Dean started the 50 state strategy. Obama is simply borrowing it.

by kevin22262 2008-02-13 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually

That would be what I meant by "taking up the standard."

by beanbagz 2008-02-13 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually

Or not.

Obama ran a complete race in Illinois - barnstorming deeply red, rural Central and southern Illinois.   He did this when the race was against Jack Ryan - he continued to do it when it became a laugher via Alan Keyes.

Obama was one of the original DFA dozen.  Hell - many of us (I'm among that class) gravitated to Obama's campaign, even in the primary of 2004 - through the Dean meetups.

Here in Illinois -- the Dean movement was very much "Dean and Obama".  It's why he won a tough, 7 way primary going away -- winning a 53% majority.

by zonk 2008-02-13 02:21PM | 0 recs
Except

That an awful lot of pundits and navel gazers online were openly questioning the wisdom of the Obama campaign spending so much time, money, and effort laying the seeds of the field orgs way back in early/mid 2007.

Obama had plenty of money, too.

The difference is that Obama invested in staff and organization all over the country instead of pissing it away on a tub like Mark Penn.

At the Presidential level, we've lost last two elections (or 1 and 1/2 elections, providing for the near loss in 2000) because the campaigns were run by the worthless consultants who do nothing but pad their own bank accounts.

This is PRECISELY why we need an Obama led ticket.  We need to break the cycle of enriching worthless jagbag consultants at the expense of electoral wins.

Obama is a lesson the Democratic party dearly needs.

by zonk 2008-02-13 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

This is a vindication of Dean's 50-state strategy, in my mind, and the opposition to this within the DLC and Hillary's inner circle may have informed her strategy.  Perhaps it is a case of conceptual, or ideological, considerations trumping common sense.

That Obama, who has clearly mobilised and deployed the enthusiasm of significant numbers of activists, has used a similar approach to the 50-state strategy in his campaign demonstrates an awareness of contemporary political realities, and opportunities, and promises well for his general election prospects.  Not to mention down-ticket races across the country.  The example of Donna Edwards is worth noting.  And it is clear that this has been a consistent part of the Obama campaign game-plan from the beginning.

He is reshaping Democratic strategy, and enhancing our electoral prospects, by example before he is even in a leadership role in the party.  Fancy that.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-13 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Oh, I'm willing to bet they were laughing about the idea of Obama visiting Idaho, hell they probably thought he'd draw ten people and 3 cows, then he draws 14,000 or so (note: Barak Obama brought out more people in Boise, than Hillary did in Texas) and they aren't laughing anymore.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-13 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

No.  It's way too late for them now, they are still in denial, though, the first stage of grief.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-13 02:41PM | 0 recs
A Day Late...

Isn't it about 30 states too late to decide to run a 50 state campaign?

by Brillobreaks 2008-02-13 01:48PM | 0 recs
One thing is for sure -

Obama owes Edwards for "making it happen" for Obama.

by annefrank 2008-02-13 01:58PM | 0 recs
How do you mean? I'm genuinely curious

by psericks 2008-02-13 02:06PM | 0 recs
I can't speak to what she meant

but from my perspective, Obama sat back and let Edwards do the heavy lifting against Hillary in October and November.

If Edwards had not been in the race, Obama would not have been able to run the same kind of campaign, because there would have been no one wiling to challenge Hillary.

Edwards should have criticized Obama as well during that time, but he calculated that Hillary was the main threat.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-13 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

I really doubt it's too late. No doubt, following another round of wins, we'll hear "its over" again in a week; but the Clinton's have drawn the line with Ohio & Texas, and if they win it there, you'll hear it trumpeted around as quite the huge reversal that it would be.

But the point of the diary is well taken. My hat goes off to Hildebrand Tewes for their state strategy system.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-02-13 02:10PM | 0 recs
It isn't too late but

There seems very little margin for error now.  Not the best position to be in.  We'll see if this brings out the best in the Clinton campaign.

by vj 2008-02-13 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

As someone upthread said perfectly...

It's 30 states too late to try to run a 50 state strategy.

by zonk 2008-02-13 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

It seems impossible that wins in those states would be a reversal as it's not winner take all. She won't blow him out so he may still end up with more delegates at the end of the day and perhaps even more of the popular vote since he's blowing her out just about everywhere he wins.

by illlaw1 2008-02-13 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

I don't know, I mean delegate wise its already getting dire, and if Hillary doesn't win (or at least contend) in WI, then I think the Rudy! meme might just take root (seriously, do her media people not realize how it looks to leave the Potomac area early, and then basically ignore WI, until this weekend?).

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-13 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

While I'm not a big fan of the long drawn-out elections we have for the presidency, in this case it's really done something important - highlight the way in which our top two candidates deal with a shifting electoral landscape.

Hillary has shown rigidity, and has stuck with an outdated understanding of the situation after it was clear to others that things had changed. This mirrors what we saw with her position on Iraq, where she took a very long time to come around to the notion that it was going disastrously badly, and she's still not able to get her head around the fact that the whole idea of invading was utterly wrong.

By now it's probably too late for the Clinton campaign to reinvent itself as a people-powered entity. Survival of the fittest.

by jimBOB 2008-02-13 02:15PM | 0 recs
Dean's Legacy

50 State Strategy.

Clinton campaign was old style politics.  Focusing only on few states and high priced consultants.

From now on,  I hope--all candidates and Dems -- do grassroot strategy.

I also hope that the grassroot campaign of Obama will continue to be in place and that he bequeth it to the DNC and Dem Party for future nurturing and GOTV.

by jasmine 2008-02-13 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Dean's Legacy

All of the talk of a vindication of Dean's 50 state strategy is dead on.  After this election and 8 years of an Obama Presidency, Dean will be looked on as every bit the political genius as Karl Rove, just in a constructive instead o desructive way.   Thank you, Mr. Dean.

by NJIndependent 2008-02-13 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table:

I found the recent Atlantic article about Clinton's campaign and the Solis-Doyle firing pretty disturbing.  The secrecy, the concentration of power among the fiercely loyal few, if that is an indication of her White House strategy I think we've had enough of that in the last 7 years to last a lifetime.

by Piuma 2008-02-13 02:46PM | 0 recs
Arrogance

Tell me the Hill-Billy campaign didn't just assume they'd take at least NH and SC and it'd be all over. They didn't even try in most caucus states because they were arrogant and assumed they'd get the nomination by Feb. 5th and wanted to save money for the general. Except the spent money like it was Bill's ladies and there'd always be more...

by Demeric 2008-02-13 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: While I don't disagree

>I want to see my first WOMAN President

Are you saying that all other things being equal you'd choose a woman over a man? And if so, how much worse would the female candidate have to change your vote?

by obsessed 2008-02-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: While I don't disagree

If absolutely all else was equal, you gotta break the tie somehow.... but then again, it never is all equal.

by dbt 2008-02-14 05:44AM | 0 recs
good diary

Certainly the Clinton campaign made some missteps but their troubles look larger in part due to the Obama campaign's successes.  Obama has run a strong campaign based on his strengths with little or no friction among his senior staff.

Of course the nomination is not yet out of Sen. Clinton's reach.  She is resourceful and smart and who knows?

by Satya 2008-02-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
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And the race won't be decided until June/July. Hillary isn't going anywhere, get used to it. She is going to win OH, TX and PA. She might win RI and will pick up delegates everywhere else as well. They say Clinton cannot win because she doesn't have the delegates well guess what neither does Saint Barack

by rossinatl 2008-02-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Hillary's current strategy is freeze the superdelegate count where it currently is. And demonstrate in OHIO and TEXAS that she's still the BIG STATE winner and in a "virtual tie." She doesn't expect to win the pledged delegate race at the end even with MI and FL (they will just keep it a "tie"). Then she will put the screws to the superdelegates to put her over.

But for now, she doesn't want the rats leaving the ship.

by CB Todd 2008-02-13 03:40PM | 0 recs
Why Clinton Might Lose? Mark Penn

As at least one other commenter has noted, the "strategy" behind Hillary Clinton's candidacy devolves from Mark Penn.  Like the current administration and its enablers, bigwig Beltway consultants don't think the masses do (think, that is).  'Nuff said.

by Bob in AZ 2008-02-13 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: While I don't disagree

Well, Claire Mcaskill, could run after being VP for 8 years.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-13 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

Clinton loses to McCain simpel as that. Despite what conservatives may be saying they hate Hillary. She gets the nomination and they will support McCain. MCCain also gets independents who want nothing to do with Hillary. If Obama gets the nod, he wins....why? Simple, he gets independents, crossover republicans, whites , blacks, women.....they guy is transforming politics as Reagan did in 1980........if Dems want the White House, they go for Obama. And if its close come convention time, they better realize that hitching the wagon to Hillary is a losing proposition

by adbct 2008-02-14 05:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table: Why Clinton Mi

I hope Obama's the nominee but if he's not we're all going to have to pitch in and work for Hillary and make sure you're wrong.

by dbt 2008-02-14 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Leaving Delegates on the Table

To me, Clinton's strategy in this campaign is the final proof I needed that she isn't the best choice. After 2 general elections where Democrats blundered in what should have been a sure thing and a husband who won his own nomination and election, you haven't learned how to run a campaign? And you expect me to believe that you can run the country?

To me, you show yourself as really unintelligent if you run a campaign geared towards winner-take-all when the system isn't. It makes me think she would make really horrible blunders with national policy. How you run your campaign is a direct reflection of how you will be as a leader. The media often wonders who will be the best leader when the campaign itself speaks volumes.

Recent reports have shown that her campaign wasn't even ready to run after Super Tuesday because she was so sure she would settle it that day. Are you kidding me?! Is she going to only campaign in 4 states for the November election too?

I can't believe anyone would call her the experience candidate now that Obama is demonstrating that he can beat a more senior senator and former first lady at the campaign game.

Seriously, do you want her running in the general election when this is how she runs for the nomination?

by neverfox 2008-02-14 08:04AM | 0 recs

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