Edwards Considering Endorsing

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From CNN's Political Ticker:

CNN has learned that former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards met with Hillary Clinton Thursday, and is meeting with Barack Obama Monday, to discuss a possible primary endorsement.

The Thursday meeting, which took place at Edwards' home in Chapel Hill, was followed by a Saturday night session during which the former North Carolina senator and several longtime advisers discussed many issues, including which candidate he should endorse.

Most of my Edwards friends have moved on to Obama and considering so much of the campaign centered on Obama and Edwards going after Clinton, it feels as though an Obama endorsement is more likely if any. TPM spoke with a former Edwards aide who explains why we shouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion.

"He's torn," the aide said "He has reservations about Hillary, which are pretty apparent."

On Obama, the aide says, Edwards worries "whether he's tough enough to be President of the United States. If you look at what Edwards ran on, which is not negotiating with the special interests, taking away their power, that's pretty different than the Obama model."

The Edwards aide added that Obama's lack of a health care plan with a "mandate" is a "tough hurdle for him to get over." He added, however, that Edwards is much more in line with Obama on other issues.

Certainly Clinton has been running on "fighting for the voiceless" -- as the Edwards aide describes Edwards's number one criterion for whom to endorse -- since well before Iowa, and one would think Edwards's working class supporters would welcome a Clinton endorsement, although Edwards's educated "wine track" supporters I suspect would tend to disagree.

As for any practical impact an Edwards endorsement might have, one suspects most of his supporters have chosen their candidate by now, so the value of his official stamp of approval would likely be more about delivering the candidate of choice a huge news day as well as, presumably, a passionate surrogate to campaign on his or her behalf, both of which at this point would clearly benefit Clinton the most.

So will he or won't he? The aide puts it at "greater than 50%." The next question is when he would do so and, if it's Clinton, will it shake the ground enough to turnmaround the momentum Obama has regained with his post-February 5th wins.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards (all tags)

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53 Comments

Re: Edwards Considering Endorsing

Lets hope him and Albert Gore come home to Obama after Tuesday.

by Socks The Cat 2008-02-10 01:31PM | 0 recs
Come home?

I didn't know that Gore and Edwards were sprung from Obama's rib.

by Shawn 2008-02-10 01:48PM | 0 recs
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If he were to endorse Clinton, would we also hear that his endorsement "means nothing" to real voters, a la the Kennedy endorsements?

by rfahey22 2008-02-10 01:35PM | 0 recs
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Maybe, but it would be coming from a different set of posters.

by itsthemedia 2008-02-10 09:33PM | 0 recs
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Which Kennedy endorsements? The ones for Obama, or the ones for Clinton?

You do know that there were Kennedys that endorsed Clinton, don't you? The environmentalists did.

by splashy 2008-02-10 10:25PM | 0 recs
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Speaking as an Edwards supporter (I still support his policies), I have made my choice. And it ain't Obama. I respect John's right to endorse whomever he chooses to, but it won't affect my choice, which I'm sure he'll also respect.

by AppleCider 2008-02-10 01:36PM | 0 recs
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Interesting...  So Gravel's your choice?

by recusancy 2008-02-10 01:37PM | 0 recs
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Um...no. Nice try, though :)

by AppleCider 2008-02-10 01:58PM | 0 recs
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Now that's odd. The Clinton and Edwards campaigns might have some common goals but I consider the directions of their campaigns to be extremely different.

by desertjedi 2008-02-10 02:18PM | 0 recs
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ha...
   Obama is a used-car salesman!
  if i could teach my Lab to preach like a baptist minister and throw Oprah's billions at him, you'd be looking at the first canine presidential candidate!......
by Boo Radley 2008-02-10 08:42PM | 0 recs
It won't matter, IMHO

But I think if he does, its Obama.  Why go down with a sinking ship?  Smart move to meet with Obama the day before the campaign narrative becomes about whether Obama is inevitable.

by descrates 2008-02-10 01:40PM | 0 recs
If Edwards is an honorable guy

He won't base his endorsement on who has momentum...

by Dave B 2008-02-10 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: It won't matter, IMHO

Your post proves that you have ZERO respect for John Edwards. You Obama supporters really are changing politics with this kind of cynicism.

by itsthemedia 2008-02-10 09:37PM | 0 recs
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MSNBC just called Maine for Obama. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Jr1886 2008-02-10 01:44PM | 0 recs
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Does your post have a purpose? I thought Maine would be an easy pickup for Hillary but it seems that Maine has a very progressive and indepedent streak a la Vermont and CT.

by desertjedi 2008-02-10 02:20PM | 0 recs
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it's called Oprah's billions, lol
   i'd like to see the latest withdrawals on Ms Winfreys bank account....."i think the American people deserve an answer"......lol
by Boo Radley 2008-02-10 08:52PM | 0 recs
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Could it be that the Clinton 'campaign shakeup' story was released today, on the knowledge that it'll be wiped from the news tomorrow by a JRE endorsement?

I certainly hope note, but with the Clintons you just can't help but fear that other shoe dropping.

by seand 2008-02-10 01:44PM | 0 recs
Clinton and Fair-Trade

Edwards has been a tireless fighter against unfair free trade agreements.  Bill Clinton, God bless him, created NAFTA which arguably cost the jobs of millions of the people Edwards claims to be fighting for.  For Edwards to endorse Clinton would be a slap in the face to all those mill workers and steel plant managers who he claimed to care about.

by jkfp2004 2008-02-10 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton and Fair-Trade

I agree that Edwards is very unlikely to endorse Bill Clinton.

by Steve M 2008-02-10 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton and Fair-Trade

That would be pretty funny, though.

by rfahey22 2008-02-10 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton and Fair-Trade

Bill Clinton, contrary to your assertion, did not create NAFTA. The agreement was negotiated during the Bush I administration. It was signed By GHWB under a "fast track" rule that allowed no amendments in Congress. Clinton did do a lot of heavy lifting to get NAFTA passed in Congress, but he also made some efforts to fix NAFTA's shortcomings in the areas of labor relations and environmental quality.

Bill Clinton does deserve some opprobrium for NAFTA, but he gets all of the blame for everything bad that happened as a result of an agreement he did not negotiate. Clinton has never tried to deflect blame to GHWB, because in matters of governance (as opposed to personal conduct) Bill is a no-excuses guy.

by itsthemedia 2008-02-10 09:51PM | 0 recs
Be nice if HRC would support

retroactive application of the USSC sentencing changes. That would be fighting for the voiceless.

by illlaw1 2008-02-10 01:46PM | 0 recs
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I wonder how many Clinton supporters are going to have unflattering things to say about Edwards if he endorses Obama...then again I wonder the same thing about Obama's supporters.

I personally think it would behoove Edwards to maintain neutrality; but that is a lot to expect I imagine.

by JDF 2008-02-10 01:46PM | 0 recs
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As an Edwards supporter since day one, I recall how many Clinton and Obama supporters had unflattering things to say about him long ago!  He only became Saint John when he dropped out and everyone realized it was advantageous to portray themselves as the heirs to Edwards' message.

The phenomenon I noticed is that Edwards attracted insults in direct proportion to his standing in the race.  When he had a solid chance to win Iowa, he was an ambulance-chasing phony.  After he lost a few primaries and it became clear he was the third-place candidate, all of a sudden everyone realized how much they respected Edwards' message and how important and progressive it was.  They were able to start looking at him objectively because he wasn't a threat to their candidate any longer.

by Steve M 2008-02-10 01:57PM | 0 recs
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Hmmm, I wondered why nobody ever had a bad word to say about my guy - Chris Dodd.  :-)

by itsthemedia 2008-02-10 09:55PM | 0 recs
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My suspicion is they floated it today because they thought they would win Maine.

by animated 2008-02-10 01:47PM | 0 recs
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The firing, not Edwards.

by animated 2008-02-10 01:47PM | 0 recs
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Hillary has been running on fighting for the voiceless since well before Iowa?  I hadn't heard that.  Then or now.

by msstaley 2008-02-10 01:49PM | 0 recs
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Yeah.  That was really Edwards's signature issue.  I haven't really heard it from either Clinton or Obama, but maybe that's because I'm too far over on the "wine track," or whatever class warfare meme is now being pushed.

by rfahey22 2008-02-10 01:52PM | 0 recs
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I have a good enough memory to recall Hillary's "Invisible" theme from Iowa, which was the subject of TV ads as well as her stump speech.

by Steve M 2008-02-10 01:54PM | 0 recs
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You have a good memory although you probably don't need one to remember her Iwoa ads. she still uses that theme on the stump. You can also find the ad on youtube and her site.

by americanincanada 2008-02-10 02:51PM | 0 recs
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If Edwards endorses Obama it would be a slap in the face to anyone who believes in universal healthcare.  Also- Obama's operative, David Axelrod who was Edward's in 2004-used many of the same buzz Edwards words and phrases for  Obama. (Also Governor Deval Patrick in MA- "Yes we can"  was overused by Patrick in his successful run for office - Patrick has been a major disappointment since taking office-major rookie mistakes-"Just words"-another speech Obama "borrowed" from Patrick- so many of the same empty slogans)  I understand that Elizabeth Edwards was quite upset by this.  Anyone who has spent time with Hillary Clinton is blown away by the depth and breathe of her knowledge, experience and commitment.  MY hope is that the meeting in N. Carolina would at least have convinced the Edwards that Hillary has the gravitas- let's see what happens with the Obama meeting-maybe he'll play a little basketball -he's such a fun guy.

by ExperienceCounts 2008-02-10 01:54PM | 0 recs
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Patrick has been fine.  Sal DiMasi has been the disapointment.

by labor nrrd 2008-02-10 02:16PM | 0 recs
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Patrick has not done jack shit for the working people.

by masslib1 2008-02-10 04:55PM | 0 recs
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His programs have been blocked by the Leg.  He wanted to close corporate tax loopholes (Despite popular conception Mass tax "burden" on businessed is pretty low compared to most states, Taxachusetts is a myth)  DiMasi said no... He proposed the Life Sciences initiative 9 months ago, the Leg still has it in committee.

Romney left the state in disaster, and the housing disaster has hit Mass hard - we need more revenue.  The leg doesn't like the casino plans (unions, organization that represent, you know, working people are aggressively supporting it).  Patrick has put together plan after plan to raise revenue... The leg is putting their hands in the ears.... How do they deal with the problem, hit local aid so that cities and towns have to cut services and raise property taxes.

People think Mass is liberal and our congressional delegation is (and I will admit two of our best are Clinton backers - McGovern and Frank - my greatest hope for Kerry winning in 2000, besides getting rid of Bush was for Frank to run for the senate... Olver is also one of the best), but the state leg is lousy.  Granted DiMasi is better than Finneran, but there is no attempt to solve the problems of the state, they are simply pushing it off onto city and towns.  All the care about is Boston and let Worcester county and beyond rot.  Like under Finneran, DiMasi is more interested in keeping power than improving Mass.

by labor nrrd 2008-02-11 05:02AM | 0 recs
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Plus he has been office for one year... What are you expecting, what would you like to see him do...

He has plans, he is working them through the leg.

His proposal for free community college (awesome for working families), job creation - we have moved from something 40th in the nation to the teens, the life science initiative will build the economy and move more jobs into the Worcester area, Cape Wind is moving forward despite the opposition of Kennedy, and his restructing of the education sector with new ideas and having, can you believe it, a sec of eduction is long overdue.

If you were a Patrick supporter who thought he could turn around 16 years of Republican/Finneran misrule in a month, sorry for disappointment.  The rest of us are keeping the work up.

by labor nrrd 2008-02-11 05:08AM | 0 recs
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Great news for Massachusetts and Deval Patrick via Blue Mass Group

A deal has been finally reached to close corporate tax loopholes and increase revenues by est $289 millions, while also lowering the general business tax rate.  

You want to see a great speech by Bill Clinton or a great one by Obama, click on speeches they are both here and both great!

by labor nrrd 2008-02-12 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Considering Endorsing

If Edwards endorses Clinton, it could give her a boost in delegates, and in a tight race, every delegate counts.

Other than that, it's not going to move the needle
very much.

by mikelow1885 2008-02-10 02:00PM | 0 recs
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As a longtime Edwards supporter, I have a few things to say. I was a strong anti-Hillary voter for a long time, but as Bill Maher has said, anyone who hates Hillary is out to lunch. I have never been a Hillary hater; I just did not want the dynastic rulership to continue. That said, about the time that the MSM became The Obama/McCain Show instead of The McCain & Hillary Show, I began to smell a skunk, and my skunk sniffer is almost never wrong. Like most Dems, I like both our candidates a lot better than those we have had in a long time, and up until the race card was played, Obama was clearly my second choice. I am not blaming Obama or Clinton for playing the card. I am blaming CNN, the entity that I think has become the devil of 2008. If Karl Rove was the devil in 2000, the mantle has been passed to CNN in '08.

Now I support the lady with the cackle from the Wicked Witch of the West. The reason I do so is vague, yet secure in its position. This has nothing to do with Obama or Hillary. It has to do with the corporate entity that insists on selecting our candidates and our President for us. The skunk I smell is that CNN has simply wanted McCain to be President all along. When the pundits thought McCain could defeat Hillary, they supported The McCain & Hillary Show, but when Huckabee and Obama started to show populist support, they re-thought their plans. Try to grasp the delicate nuance of what I am saying. The diversity voters are the new evangelicals. The MSM does not really support either one: they actually support no one but Wall Street and the corporations that pay their million-dollar salaries. The Reagan Era was the time when the MSM strung along, without genuine support, the populist movement of evangelical Republicans. We are about to enter a new era when the MSM will string along, equally without genuine support, a populist, diversity voting block.

The Republicans may or may not be orchestrating this whole charade, but they are the ones who stand to gain. Obama is getting his recent success from a unification of the African-American voters, and CNN loves it! They want the whole damn mess to continue to be about race. The Democratic Party establishment wants to take over the country politically for a long time, in much the same way the Repugs do, and the race card is their ticket. They want to unify minority voters in the same way the Repugs want to unite evangelicals. Do you see? It's just two sides of the same despicable coin.

The Dems can easily lose to McCain by supporting Obama. The millions of sheeple will fall for the same old bullcrap of fear, terrorism, capitalism, and support for the troops. What I fear is that Obama's seemingly widespread support is not deep enough. It's not hardcore liberal enough. It sounds good and we all want to believe it, but I am an old cynic who has watched the Dems lose too many times to underestimate the Repugs. Hillary is far too vain and ambitious to accept the VP position. If Obama or Edwards is the VP, McCain can just kiss his fat butt goodbye, but I am sincerely worried. If McCain selects Huckabee as his VP, we shall see one hell of a fight between the diversity crowd and the Christian & Wall Street crowd. We should never, ever, underestimate these buttholes, and I fear that that is exactly what we are doing. Can you picture Obama on a Windsurfing board? I am afraid that I can.

by Spyder 2008-02-10 02:16PM | 0 recs
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Obama is cool.  Kerry just thought he was cool.  It will be a completely different angle but the attack will come.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-10 05:51PM | 0 recs
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What issues is he more in line with Obama on?  What crap.  Yesterday, Obama said he'd raise emmissions levels by 2050.  He could care a less about the foreclosure crisis.  He's to the right on Edwards and Hillary on every economic issue.  John just doesn't like Hillary so issues apparently go out the window.

by masslib1 2008-02-10 02:36PM | 0 recs
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We don't even know who Edwards favors, so I think that this statement is premature.

by Dave B 2008-02-10 02:43PM | 0 recs
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Can you please give me the source of that statement, about raising emmissions standards?  I did not see or hear it.  Thank you.

by mady 2008-02-10 02:50PM | 0 recs
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He said it last night in his speech in VA.  Watch the speech.  I meant lower emmissions/raise standards.

by masslib1 2008-02-10 04:49PM | 0 recs
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It was reduce emissions, not raise them.  He talked about raising minimum wage every year to keep pace with inflation which was one of those staged will you pledge with me statements Edwards pulled during one of the debates, he talked about foreclosures in the beginning of the speech, and he has adopted a more forceful fighting tone in the body of his speech, including the what is hope section where he says the Drug Companies are not going to give up their profits without a fight.  

by Piuma 2008-02-10 03:02PM | 0 recs
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I men raise standards.  Forgive me.

by masslib1 2008-02-10 04:49PM | 0 recs
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He's all talk.  His economic policy person said he won't freeze rates or foreclosures.  Why do you think middle of the roaders support him?  Do you think they think he's going to try to halt the economic divide that is growing at warp speed?  He certainly is not campaigning n that.

by masslib1 2008-02-10 04:52PM | 0 recs
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Why freeze rates when they are falling?  Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who act irresponsibly and commit fraud.

by Piuma 2008-02-10 06:18PM | 0 recs
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I have only seen Obama tance this more partisan stance in one speech. It did not ring true and  do not expect it to last.

by americanincanada 2008-02-10 03:10PM | 0 recs
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I think the main issue isn't the Endorsement its that the Endorsement likely comes with 26 delegates.

At this point a 26 delegate swing is a good way for the DNC to manufacture a consensus as it looks like the final count without Edwards will likely be within 26 delegates.

I would expect this to be Deans way to try and force either Hillary or Obama out of the race.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-10 05:47PM | 0 recs
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Edwards also has to consider his future influence. If he endorses Obama, and Hillary wins, he may have less influence in a future Hillary administration and vise-versa. If his endorsement is about super-delegates, he is likely to have more influence closer to the convention.

The quesiton is what does Edwards want? Does he to become Attorney General? Does he want some specific policy?

by cronian 2008-02-10 08:10PM | 0 recs
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Edwards made very clear what he wants, when he withdrew. He said he got promises from both candidates to make poverty issues central to their campaigns. Since then, I think he's been watching to see whose moving towards that promise.

I don't know who he'll endorse, and what effect it will have (except the 26 delegates, and as i understand it, they will simply be released). It seems to me that Hillary has moved further towards strongly supporting poverty issues, but I'm not in discussions with her campaign and Edwards is, so we'll have to see. I do think Hillary's supporters are closer demographically to Edwards' former supporters.

That's not to say that he doesn't want something ELSE; I doubt if it's VP, though, unless he's promised a lot of autonomy. I'd love to see him as AG. But again, I'm certainly not part of those discussions.

by AppleCider 2008-02-10 11:09PM | 0 recs
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I was ultimately unable to decide between Clinton and Obama in the Georgia primary.  Lacking an "Uncommitted" slot on my unreliable electronic ballot with no varifiable paper trail, I cast my vote for Edwards.  There is still the matter of making a donation to one the two campaigns, and I will be guided by Edwards' endorsement, should he make one.  After all, I was willing to trust JRE with my vote, my time, and my money.  Why stop now?

Besides, the fundrasing email to Edwards' supporters on behalf of the endorsee is probably the REAL prize here, not the 26 delegates (not that they aren't sought either).  

My fear in all this, though, is that an Edwards endorsement will become more fodder for those who wish to play race/gender-baiting politics ("Look at the boys ganging up on Hillary", "See the white pols working to block Obama").  It would be pathetic to see it degenerate into that, but it could happen.

by CLLGADEM 2008-02-12 12:21AM | 0 recs

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