Franken vs Coleman absentee votes

Another wildcard to consider in the MN Senate recount-- rejected absentee ballots:

A Star Tribune analysis of rejected absentee ballot lists collected from 25 of the state's 87 counties shows that 2,066 would-be absentee voters were excluded from initial vote tallies in just those counties. The total does not include Hennepin County, home to about one quarter of the state's population, or several other metro counties.
So maybe 10,000 more? The Canvassing Board has to determine whether to review those ballots as well. I don't see how they can refuse.

Today's tally resulted in Coleman gaining 60 votes, while just 4% was added, going from 64% to 68% counted. At the same time, Coleman challenged 55 more votes today than Franken did, so that gain of 60 by Coleman is not surprising.

The total number of challenged ballots now stands at 1,982, but with the additional rejected absentee ballots included the topic:

In a race this tight, the difference could come down to clerical errors on absentee ballots or even a challenge of Minnesota's law governing such ballots.... On Wednesday, both sides will face off at a state Canvassing Board hearing that could prove momentous, with discussion and perhaps a ruling on whether rejected absentee ballots are in or out.

Despite the mounting number of challenges being made to the regular ballots being recounted now -- more than 1,800 as of Saturday evening, almost evenly divided between the campaigns -- experts say that most of those disputes will be easily resolved by the five-member board. As a result, the challenges may in the end make only modest changes.

But if the Canvassing Board decides to review rejected absentee ballots, many still unexamined votes could get thrown into the mix, adding far more uncertainty.

If the Canvassing Board were to decide not to review the absentee ballots, it'd probably call into question the legitimacy of the recount process.

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Re: Franken vs Coleman absentee votes

They see also take the "split the baby" approach that others have made with the challenges. This maybe hard to hear, but we have no clue what will happen with the challenges because we don't know the composition of the challenges. The same is true of the absentees.  With the challenges, it would require a relatively small percentage- 10 percent of challenges in Al's favor- to change outcomes at this point. Also, the challenges could reach 3000 given its pace right now. It seems also that Franken is decreasing his challenges, and his people have said they will review their prior challenges this weekend so the spread could go up rather than down if they get rid of their frivolous challenges. Leaving Coleman going foreward with much more challenges. but we shall see.

by bruh3 2008-11-22 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Franken vs Coleman absentee votes

Strange.  I would have sworn I was just reading a diary by Jerome about how Obama has proven himself to be a centrist foreign policy Democrat, just as Jerome claimed earlier.

Then, when I clicked on a comment, I found this Franken v. Coleman diary instead, and the other one is nowhere to be seen.

Am I dreaming?

by markjay 2008-11-22 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Franken vs Coleman absentee votes

Whoops.  The other diary is back up there again.

by markjay 2008-11-22 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Franken vs Coleman absentee votes
I agree that the resolution of the absentee ballots will be key.
Using the SOS numbers 1.9 million counted Coleman leads by 25 thousand. Norm had challenged 945 and Al 948. Norm is down 669 from and Al is down 621 from the starting count.
So what does that all mean? Norm's people are challenging more new (previously uncounted) votes then Al's people are. So it looks like Al's challenges are more likely to be overturned. So my best guess right now is that while Al is indeed picking up more votes, it isn't going to be enough. I'd say he falls short by 60-70 votes at the end of the recount.
by Judeling 2008-11-22 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Franken vs Coleman absentee votes
BUZZFLASH had a posting from Minnesota Public Radio with captioed showing 2 challenged ballots.  If these are representative of challenging the final count of challenged votes should be very different. If these ballots are rejected because they are overvotes the will of the people may be thwarted again.  Both ballots were challenged as overvotes.
Both have handwritten names on the "write-in, if any" category;
but the ovoid box to the left of the handwritten words: "Lizard People" has not been darkened. If the voter's intent is the objective then the first photo above of a ballot should count for Franken. Although the voter made a sloppy attempt at humor (repeatedly) the voter did "vote for one." In the second ballot the vote should go to Coleman for the same reason; the handwritten name is "Bachman" or "Badmen" (it is sloppy writing.)
However, if the objective is civic "discipline" then the silly voter could be penalized by not having the vote counted (the entire ballot, i.e. every candidate selected) but this seems particularly misdirected action as ballots are anonomous and the penalty is removed from the misdeed. The question of voter intent is much easier than "bi-partisan" politics suggests. Recounts should be non-partisan.
by Palli 2008-11-23 04:02AM | 0 recs

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