Todd's Debate Thread

What a shocker. John McCain is freakin Guy Smiley tonight, looking right into Barack's eyes as he greets him, patting him on the arm. Right after sitting down, McCain started scribbling away. Take those notes!

First question about bailing out Main St, not just Wall St.

Update [2008-10-7 22:1:12 by Todd Beeton]:OK, during that last minute of Barack's response, the women in the focus group were literally a straight horizontal line at the highest level of the dial.

Update [2008-10-7 22:8:23 by Todd Beeton]:McCain's attack on Obama equating withdrawal with surrender totally flat lined among the focus group.

Update [2008-10-7 22:12:10 by Todd Beeton]:"If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistan will not act, we must." McCain is hitting Obama for "announcing" that we're going to attack Pakistan. Did he just say Obama's remarks turned Pakistan public opinion against us?

Update [2008-10-7 22:18:20 by Todd Beeton]:More McCainian exceptionalism: "I know how to get Osama bin Laden my friends. I know how to get him. I'll get him no matter what." Wow!

Update [2008-10-7 22:33:58 by Todd Beeton]:Barack very cleverly turned his answer to this final question into his closing statement. The women in the focus group were off the charts. McCain is using HIS final response to get all fear-mongery. Yay!

Update [2008-10-7 22:36:50 by Todd Beeton]:Finally, John McCain and I agree: "We need a steady hand on the tiller." That hand, however, is not yours, Senator.

Update [2008-10-7 21:48:32 by Todd Beeton]:Obama: "If we're going to solve the climate crisis, we can't keep resorting to fossil fuels." Thank you.

Update [2008-10-7 21:50:11 by Todd Beeton]:"That one?" McCain just called a sitting senator and the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party "that one." My god.

Update [2008-10-7 21:54:59 by Todd Beeton]:Haha. The CNN focus group was way up in positive territory for Barack's entire healthcare answer. Now that McCain is speaking, it's a total flatline. Interestingly, he's sort of tanking among men. If McCain's performance was a sound it would be something like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Update [2008-10-7 21:56:8 by Todd Beeton]:It's a right, it's a right, it's a right.

Update [2008-10-7 21:57:39 by Todd Beeton]:The second Barack said "I think health care should be a right" the focus group dials spiked...and they're staying there.

Update [2008-10-7 22:1:12 by Todd Beeton]:Yes! Barack hit him for his vote against expanding SCHIP.

Update [2008-10-7 21:26:33 by Todd Beeton]:Umm, is McCain leaning on that rail? Have to say, McCain is certainly on message going after Obama non-stop on inside baseball votes and distorting Obama's proposals. Is it effective or is it coming off as snippy?

Update [2008-10-7 21:26:33 by Todd Beeton]:Did McCain just say "some of the $700 billion is going to end up in the hands of terrorist organizations"?

Update [2008-10-7 21:31:18 by Todd Beeton]:I thought McCain was supposed to be good at townhalls. He is really all over the map, quite unfocused and...dare I say it...erratic.

Update [2008-10-7 21:42:55 by Todd Beeton]:A commission to save Medicare! Yay, commissions can do anything! OK, seriously, this entitlement discussion is really important but I still have no idea what either of them is going to do.

Update [2008-10-7 21:8:24 by Todd Beeton]:Is it just me or is he sort of invading this guy's space. He's freakily stalking him. "My friends." Drink! "My friends!"

Update [2008-10-7 21:12:39 by Todd Beeton]:By referring to the people in the audience as "You", Obama is accomplishing the personal connection that McCain thinks he's accomplishing by saying "My friends," which at this point is just a punchline.

Update [2008-10-7 21:17:18 by Todd Beeton]:Nice. "You're not interested in hearing politicians pointing fingers, you want to hear how this is impacting you."

Update [2008-10-7 21:18:36 by Todd Beeton]:Oooooh, John McCain wrote a letter!

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Comments

78 Comments

Re: Todd's Debate Thread

McCain looks nervous!!!

by comingawakening 2008-10-07 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Why attack Tom Brokaw on a question? Mean, angry, old man - sorry. It is what McCain is.

by comingawakening 2008-10-07 05:11PM | 0 recs
McCain addresses Obama

"My friend."  Somehow, I don't think that they're friends.

by Coach Jay 2008-10-07 05:18PM | 0 recs
How can we trust either of you???

Good question!!!

by architek 2008-10-07 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: How can we trust either of you???

Screw 'em!  Nader '08!!!

by failsafe 2008-10-07 05:50PM | 0 recs
Ponytail Guy

Was a woman this time around.  "How can we trust either of you?"  Great way to waste the one opportunity you've got to talk to two presidential candidates.

by Coach Jay 2008-10-07 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Obama is slaughtering McCain, Obama comes across as knowledgeable, educated, honest and direct. Conversely McCain seems cranky and angry. This republican is glad I supported Obama.....

by adb67 2008-10-07 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

cronies?  really?  cronies?  a first to second year senator fresh out of illinois, has cronies?  now maybe, later, hopefully not, buy back in 2005-2007?  really?

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

he's REMINDING them of finance reform and lieberman?  oy.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:21PM | 0 recs
It's over...(I hope...)

Either the CNN "undecided" panel is in fact in the tank for Obama, or we can expect polling to show that Obama won this debate 75-25%. Obama has consistently knocked it out of the park on the little scroll of voters, and McCain is consistently flat-lining.

by fsm 2008-10-07 05:24PM | 0 recs
Hey, does anyone know he has a clear record...

Of reaching across the aisle?

Just wait, you'll hear it a few more times...

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

"my friends, i've worked with the other party, that's why they hate me.  vote for mccain, republicans hate me."  that's the best reason he's made all campaign

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:26PM | 0 recs
Obama is actuallly LISTING things...

McCain is just throwing things wildly...

Point for Obama

1. Energy

  1. Health Care
  2. Education

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

I love how no one is playing by the time limits.  They know Brokaw is powerless.

by rfahey22 2008-10-07 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Creepy stalker

by dogeatdogi 2008-10-07 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Obama went off the charts on energy.

by RandyMI 2008-10-07 05:33PM | 0 recs
Obama is rolling....

This is a good section for him...

Dealing with the Earmarks thing...

Good...

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

OMG McCain is wandering into the camera shot while Obama is speaking!!

by dogeatdogi 2008-10-07 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

oh noes!!!!!!  he wants to raises our taxes!  obama's hoover?  wrong party, wrong age, wrong beliefs, yeah this'll work.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Half of the country is thinking "Why is McCain calling Obama a vacuum cleaner?".

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-10-07 08:58PM | 0 recs
McCain looks exhausted

He's pleading now for attention...

by architek 2008-10-07 05:36PM | 0 recs
$5000 for health insurance?

In your dreams, McCain..

More like $12,000 for basic coverage.. if you're healthy.

If not - MUCH more..

by architek 2008-10-07 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

poor brokaw.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:37PM | 0 recs
Brokaw looks TERRIBLE

Brokaw's statement on Social Security is wrong.. its solvent - a LOT more solvent than anything else, these days..

Its criminal to buy into the "Social Security needs reform" LIE - after the last week, they have a lot of nerve...

by architek 2008-10-07 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Brokaw looks TERRIBLE

He's been flogging that for 20 years.  I knew he would pull this again.

by Jess81 2008-10-07 05:54PM | 0 recs
Honestly

I thought the first debate was closer to a toss-up, but I'm not seeing this one as close at all.

McCain looks wobbly, Obama looks strong.

McCain is desperate and pleading, Obama is decisive and strong.

by zonk 2008-10-07 05:38PM | 0 recs
Great Pivot by Obama.....

Back to taxes....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

McCain is just getting creamed here.....its painful

by adb67 2008-10-07 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Hurry up, get a Doctor...McCain is flatlining on CNN!!!

by comingawakening 2008-10-07 05:40PM | 0 recs
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My friends my friends my friends my friends...
I can't take it anymore!!!
by skohayes 2008-10-07 05:41PM | 0 recs
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uh mccain, these guys aren'tyou're friends.  friends don't make friends support de-regulation.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

McCain is really floundering here.

by skohayes 2008-10-07 05:44PM | 0 recs
I'm a maverick on green house gases

Is he nuts? This is a loser for him....

My friends....My friends.....

What is he talking about being on the ship with nuclear power?

Am I nuts....he's just awful.....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:44PM | 0 recs
Josh/TPM nails it

9:42 PM ... Exactly. A Medicare Closing Commission.

by zonk 2008-10-07 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

This is painful to watch. Obama is gonna win this thing by 8 points.

by falcon4e 2008-10-07 05:46PM | 0 recs
Obama is killing him on tone......

Everytime McCain speaks, my heart rate goes up, I start getting manic...

When Obama speaks, I get calmer.

Is anyone else sensing that?

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:46PM | 0 recs
Evading question on climate change..

Doesn't want to deal with the distrust... doesn't own up to the fact that oil will keep rising in price wherever its from.. (supply and demand..) Alaska wont help that..

Green technologies should be the first answer, instead, he pushes nuclear power.. when he himself didn't want nuclear waste in his own state..

by architek 2008-10-07 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

does brokaw need viagra?  he sure seems impotent tonight :P.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:48PM | 0 recs
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did he just call obama "that one?"  WTF???

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 05:49PM | 0 recs
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That's the new friendly McCain - the grumpy McCain would have that thing.

by zonk 2008-10-07 05:50PM | 0 recs
That one?

He just called obama That one...

My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....My friends....vMy friends....My friends....My friends....

He's awful?

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:49PM | 0 recs
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"That one"?

We can't even say his name now?

by asherrem 2008-10-07 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

   He's "my friendsing" even more than usual.  It's now verbal diarrhea.  

by cilerder86 2008-10-07 05:50PM | 0 recs
McCains mentions Lieberman 3 times in 30 minutes

And Sara Palin - none?  Hmmm...  

by Rob McC again 2008-10-07 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: McCains mentions Lieberman 3 times

It's "reaching across the aisle"

(to work with the better party)

by asherrem 2008-10-07 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

John is the fwendliest fwend of all.

FMTPO

by QTG 2008-10-07 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Let's put McCain's health records online, great idea!!

by skohayes 2008-10-07 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread
He just lost me on this health care thing, we tax your benefits and give you $5000 tax credit and poof, 95% of people are covered??
Wha???
by skohayes 2008-10-07 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Going into the 3rd period, McCain is not delivering the 'Game Changer' that was required. He'll need to kick it up a notch...

by QTG 2008-10-07 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

he really seems to be struggling, I thought he was pretty solid the last debate, but not this one.

by skohayes 2008-10-07 05:59PM | 0 recs
GOOD ANSWER OBAMA

IT'S A RIGHT......

Fundemental difference.....

Obama is winning this...

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: GOOD ANSWER OBAMA

I think he's winning this easily.

I was mildly surprised to see the debate 1 snap polls - I thought Obama won, but that it was closer.

This time?

I'll be shocked if Obama doesn't win by better than 2 to 1.

by zonk 2008-10-07 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Obama smacks Mccain on the SCHIP vote!!

by skohayes 2008-10-07 05:57PM | 0 recs
McCain....We are spreading freedom...

He sounds like Bush...

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 06:00PM | 0 recs
GWOT

what a bad dream ths last eight years has been...

by architek 2008-10-07 06:07PM | 0 recs
McCain wants to keep defense spending up

Its like pouring our future, education, healthcare, infrastructure, everything - that money down the drain..

Its welfare for the military-industrial complex..  

For Chrissakes, South Korea (5th largest economy in the world) and Japan (3rd largest economy - after the EU and the US!) CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES!!!

by architek 2008-10-07 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

This is a blood bath!!!!!!

OBAMA...I've been to 8 states for this campaign and I've voted Republican in the past. 16 months ago many of us took a chance and this guy and tonight we see why...he is better and better every day.

by comingawakening 2008-10-07 06:05PM | 0 recs
The Surge...The Surge....

This requires a cool hand....

John, you look NUTTY not cool...

The cool guy is the other guy....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

MCCAIN'S the coolhand at the helm?  mr. THE ECONOMIES CRASHING, STOP THE CAMPAIGN, CALL BOEHNER, CALL PELOSI, CALL THE MAYTAG REPAIRMAN!  MCCAIN SMASH!!!!!!

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

teddy's his hero because he was at mccain's 50th anniversary party.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread
Why did I turn on the CNN debate meter thingy??
I'm hooked!
by skohayes 2008-10-07 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

poor, poor tom.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:13PM | 0 recs
Obama is on the attack....

Bomb bomb bomb Iran......

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is on the attack....

Yeah, "speak softly" indeed.

by rfahey22 2008-10-07 06:15PM | 0 recs
McCain and Wasillastan..

He's got his own Taliban, she's his theocratic, extremist, Alaskan separatist, RUNNING MATE..

God, McCain looks SO TIRED...

by architek 2008-10-07 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

I wish McCain would have told Bush how to get OBL. He's known how to get him all this time and never told anyone...

by skohayes 2008-10-07 06:16PM | 0 recs
Why would Bush attack..

his family's friend?

His ex-business partner's (in the 80s) half-brother?

by architek 2008-10-07 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

no really feeling mccain's bin laden hte.  where's the mac thsat would go to hell to get bin laden.  this mac doesn't even sound like he would go a few blocks outside his house to get bin laden.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:16PM | 0 recs
The SURGE.......

This is killing McCain...

It sounds like General Petreueus will set the policy and McCain will rubber stamp....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

"I know how to get him."

Not to be a conspiracy theorist...but October surprise?

by JDF 2008-10-07 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

Nah...He is going to send some those Manics at the Palin rally....KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!!!!

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

we've got to help the former soviet countries, the pols, the checks (no idea how to spell that).  obama DIDN'T forget poland.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:22PM | 0 recs
The ones that don't have oil..

But, the bottom line is that we can't be the policeman of the world...

Its killing us economically.. Its very expensive. You don't see Korea and Japan maintaining thousands of bases overseas..

No, they invest that money that they would otherwise have to spend on defense, on their own economic health..

Why are we subsidizing them..

by architek 2008-10-07 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

maybe?  yes it's a complex question forced into a bad res/no diachotomy, but obama handled itbetter.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

yes/no.  my keyboard sucks.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:24PM | 0 recs
If we discovered a new source of energy that

reduced the need for oil dramatically.. The oil-producing countries would THEN have to live on their investments..

Shit, they own tons of other business now.. mortgage backed securities, etc.

by architek 2008-10-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Todd's Debate Thread

wow, obama's support from women on that last question practically went off the chart.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-10-07 06:33PM | 0 recs
McCain's "cool hand at the tiller".

The next best option when the Viagra isn't working.

by Sumo Vita 2008-10-07 06:52PM | 0 recs

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