CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

There are so many polls these days, it's hard to pick which ones deserve their own posts but the new CBS News/New York Times poll (699 LVs, Oct. 10-13) struck me as rather noteworthy. The poll shows Barack with a 14 point lead, the largest of any poll this cycle, and it's the first with McCain below 40% (Oct. 3-5 in parentheses):

Obama 53 (48)
McCain 39 (45)

The reason for this number can largely be attributed to some dramatic movement among Independents in the last week:

Obama 51 (39)
McCain 33 (49)

And this paragraph from the CBS analysis is telling:

Obama holds a more than 20-point edge when it comes to understanding voters' needs and problems, with 64 percent saying Obama does and 43 percent saying McCain does.

But perhaps most remarkable is what respondents said about taxes (h/t TPM):

If he were elected President, do you think (candidate) would raise taxes on people like yourself, or wouldn't he do that?

Obama: Would 46%, Would Not 41%
McCain: Would 51%, Would Not 38%

Credit to the Obama campaign, which has taken hold of the tax issue, not shirked from it as Democrats have in the past. They have aggressively driven the narrative and successfully gotten the message out that not only will Barack Obama cut taxes for 95% of working families, but John McCain will tax employer-based health care benefits. The Republican messaging on the other hand has been vague and unevenly applied, relying on what they thought were iron-clad pre-conceptions of Democrats rather than creating a compelling message about McCain himself on the issue.

I wonder too whether McCain's insistence that he's not your run of the mill Republican, that he's a maverick, is actually hurting him here. It's almost as though because McCain has tried to distance himself from the party brand that he's not accruing some of the benefits that come with the brand, such as an automatic advantage on taxes. But at the very least, this result shows just how dominant the Obama campaign has been in terms of message control over the course of this campaign.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama, cbs news/new york times poll, John McCain (all tags)

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17 Comments

1964 redux

It's kinda ironic but these numbers are approaching the 1964 GE results of McCain's direct predecessor in his senate seat, Barry Goldwater against LBJ...

The final result there was 61/39.

It's kinda interesting when you consider that Goldwater in 1964 was not universally liked by members of his party as the previous nominee Nixon was, and Palin is as quixotic a pick for VP nominee as was Goldwater's pick of an obscure upstate New York congressman as his running mate.

Is this going to be a blowout?

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-10-14 04:46PM | 0 recs
Arizona Republicans

don't do well in elections, heh heh.

by Blazers Edge 2008-10-14 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

I think the importance of getting these polls out now is that they will frame the debate tomorrow as one between a guy who is way ahead and a guy who needs a hail mary... If McCain's actions tomorrow at the debate are interpreted through the prism that he is desperate that will help..

Then again Obama has been quite impressive lately..

by obama4presidente 2008-10-14 04:59PM | 0 recs
McCain is usually under 40% in Fox polls

But that's usually because they don't push undecideds and leaners.

Last week's Fox poll had Obama 46% - McCain 39%

by existenz 2008-10-14 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

The real question is : How can Jerome spin this so he can still believe Obama is the worst Democratic presidential candidate in recent history?

by Lolis 2008-10-14 05:41PM | 0 recs
I guess by saying ...

Hillary would have been ahead by more ...

by Tangie3 2008-10-14 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I guess by saying ...

And he would have a point, there. :)

by Scotch 2008-10-14 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I guess by saying ...

No.  He would be dead wrong.  

by lojasmo 2008-10-15 02:17AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

CBS has always been one of the wilder polls out there, as far as going high and low.  I remember seeing that it was one of the worst polls in accuracy in the last election, or was it the one before? Anyway, I think it is a little hard to believe.  

by Scotch 2008-10-14 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

It doesn't necessarily need to be believable.  A little psy ops never hurt.

by rfahey22 2008-10-14 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

Spin it whatever way YOU wont to.  McCain is so fucked right now.  Damn he must be spinning.

by nzubechukwu 2008-10-14 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

CBS/NYT is part of the liberal elite and so of course they are going to show such a wide spread, probably because they polled their own newsroom!  
"Hey, fellas!  Are you guys for The Great Obama,  or that jerk?"  Newsroom:  "OBAMA!"    HaHa!  Real "objective jounalism", ...NOT!  

I proudly support JOHN MCCAIN/SARAH PALIN!  

by Brucelog 2008-10-14 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

Yeah, we know.

Right-wing nutjob:  "ALL polls are in the tank for Obama."

Q: "Why?"  

Right-wing nutjob: "They just are."

Q: "Even Republican pollster like Strategic Vision, Scott Rasmussen, Tarrance?"

Right-wing nutjob: "Yep.  All bought by the MSM and intimidated by Obama's henchmen into complying."

Q: "Alrighty then.  Get back to us when you decide to rejoin the realism-based community again.  Or wait another 3 weeks and see for yourself."

Seriously, I feel sorry for someone who proudly supports such an inept campaign that is about to be crushed in such historic fashion.  Must give you nightmares each night to envision a commie-socialist-marxist regime shamelessly take over what is any GOP candidates birth right, eh?

Farking troll.

by devilrays 2008-10-14 09:11PM | 0 recs
Just for the Record


i gotta say that i think we are fucked.

henry - McCain's Angry Crowds www.hillaryis44.com 11 Oct 08

by Shaun Appleby 2008-10-14 10:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Just for the Record

hahaha priceless.  Odd that the site still has Clinton pictures all over it, why don't they just put up the McCain banners like they must really want to?

btw, from a front page post there on the night of the VP debate:

Tonight, once again, Americans will see Governor Sarah Palin in an unflitered format. Sarah Palin will be able to speak directly to voters. The moderator is an Obama supporter and Joe Biden is the Obama running mate. Governor Palin is in for a fight. But to fight is why she was the best choice for John McCain.

Tonight, Sarah Palin has to strap on her guns and be prepared for a shoot-out.

A shoot-out is what a frontier gal is best at.

Oh.  My.  God.

LOL.

by Skaje 2008-10-14 11:31PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%
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by clive 2008-10-14 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS/NYT: McCain Below 40%

I am sorry, but Obama should not be talking about conservative nemes.  He should forthrighly say that he will, and should, raise taxes.  That is the only way to fund great government programs and get a handle on this fiscal chaos at the same time.  Americans are not as anti-tax as everyone says they are-there used to be 90% top U.S. income tax rates.  Obama should help the middle-income groups by spending money on them, through universal social services, and not by cutting their taxes.

by demjim 2008-10-15 07:03AM | 0 recs

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