In the States

Granted, one poll, and Rasmussen/SUSA (mostly due to pushing the undecideds) is showing a tighter race in all three states, but this, from Quinnipiac must strike some fear into the McCain camp:

FLORIDA: Obama 51, McCain 43

OHIO: Obama 50, McCain 42

PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 54, McCain 39

From Ohio:

"It's easy to see why Sen. McCain is doing so poorly. On September 11, his favorable/unfavorable ratio among Ohio voters was 53 - 34 percent. Now it's just 49 - 40 percent, dropping from a 19-point plus to nine points in just 20 days, while Sen. Obama's ratings have remained as positive as they were. And the economy is the reason. Obama's five-point edge as the best candidate to handle the economy - which is by far the most important issue to voters, especially in economically distressed Ohio - has doubled," Brown said.
If there's one thing that the Republicans deserve their due for, it's the economy. It appears that the bottom has dropped out for Republican enthusiasm. Even the Battleground poll has tipped into Obama's favor, 48-46 over McCain. Their change was to drop the weighting of party ID, another sign that the Bush economy has created a disaster for the Republican brand.

There are still weeks to go, so while it looks great, the McCain camp will start throwing it all at Obama pretty soon. This is going to get closer. But from the looks of it, we are going to see a few more states flip over into Obama's column in the EV counter.

Update [2008-10-1 8:31:53 by Jerome Armstrong]: Yea, its about a week or two away at most:

Republican activists around the country worrying about his prospects and urging his campaign to become much more aggressive against Barack Obama in the remaining month before Election Day. ...Murray Clark, the chairman of the Indiana Republican Party, said he is eager for Obama’s “troubling relationships” to be aired in his state. “I think those things will come up in Indiana again and they do have an impact on mainstream voters in Indiana. You call it going negative, [but] whoever ... is in a position to point out these relationships, I think it’s helpful.”
Cause they got nothing else. Colorado, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana, Missouri, and Ohio. Can McCain win all 7? All Obama needs is one.

Update [2008-10-1 10:11:0 by Jerome Armstrong]: On that Battleground update:

According to Goeas, until Tuesday they had been weighting by a combination of age, race and party identification. Starting on Tuesday morning they stopped weighting by party, allowing the Democratic advantage on the base party identification question to rise from what had been a 3 point advantage for the Democrats to a 7 point advantage. Overnight, Obama went from trailing McCain by 2 points to leading by the same, 48 percent to 46 percent margin. The change, according to Goeas, had the net effect of increasing the percentage of 18-to-34-year-olds from 17 percent to 22 percent of their likely voter sample.
They'll keep tinkering with it until they think its right, and it likely will be, given their past predictions. The Republican brand has tanked. can it recover in 5 weeks? Doubtful. All they have left is attacking.

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Re: In the States

about that battleground poll...Nate had a pretty interesting analysis  yesterday.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/w hats-wrong-with-battleground-poll.html

...and I almost just spit my cereal out when i saw those new numbers from Quinnipiac!

by neko608 2008-10-01 04:17AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

I looked at that, and then looked into their '04 results, and couldn't find that they did anything different, the last time when the nailed it, compared to this time. My sense is that they realize they are off a bit, and will adjust the poll accordingly. This isn't a firm that likes to get it wrong. They already have started to adjust it.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-10-01 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

Jerome - I notice that you've only listed 6 states at the end that were up for grabs, not 7. I'd assume PA is the unnamed one, correct?

by Clancy 2008-10-01 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

No, I missed MO, added now. You could say its 8, but I'm not counting 269 -269, even though that would probably be a win.

McCain only really has NH at this point, to hope for, though I expect PA, MI, WI to get closer.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-10-01 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

aight people here we go.

this race is going to get ugly, real ugly. I expect the GOP and their operatives to just go full on destroy Obama.

seriously if I were him I wouldn't laugh at the idea of beefing up that security.

they are going to get damn ugly now.

by TruthMatters 2008-10-01 04:20AM | 0 recs
They aren't just going to sit back and take it

Nope.  He's leading by too much for them to do anything other than scorch the earth.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-10-01 04:28AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

Yeah, but they ain't dealing with a campaign manager that says:

"Oh, just ignore that...we are tooooo CIVILIZED to punch back..."

If David Axelrod had been running John Kerry's campaign, Bush would already be back in Texas.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-01 04:54AM | 0 recs
True dat

Axelrod's a bulldog. And let's not forget Plouffe. Their ground game has been nothing short of astonishing. They have equaled or beaten the Repubs at their own game in nearly every arena.

by Spiffarino 2008-10-01 05:11AM | 0 recs
Re: True dat

It will get ugly, but for the first time in 12 years I feel confident we have a campaign that can handle it.

by sneakers563 2008-10-01 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: True dat

Yes, the campaign can handle it.

Plus, unless they come up with something new I think the attacks will be ignored. The Rezko, Ayers, and Wright cards are pretty dusty. Also in the middle of a financial crisis people are less likely to respond to personal attacks.

by Lolis 2008-10-01 06:55AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

the McCain camp will start throwing it all at Obama pretty soon.

This maybe the understatement of the week :) It is going to get really ugly.

by jsfox 2008-10-01 04:29AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

It's like we've come full circle. All those polloing numbers we saw in the summer on the state and congressional levels showing a Republican meltdown are back. Even Dina Titus is slightly favored in Nevada.

by RandyMI 2008-10-01 04:35AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

We know the GOP super ugly is coming, but do we think it's gonna work?  I hate to point out the obvious, but the main reason McCain got pwned at the debate is because he came across as mean and bitter.

I wonder out loud:

1) is it too late?  Is there too much ground to make up before election day.  People have already started voting in some places.

2) The primaries did Obama a big favor and pretty much exposed the public to his two biggest achilees heels, Rezko and Wright.  That being said, unless the GOP has something fresh, the ammo they have available has shown itself to be marginally effective the first time, I don't think that stuff has a good second life.  Also, with McCain already under fire for being an outright liar, I don't think the GOP can just make stuff up and have it stick the way it used to.  There are a lot of people doing factchecking now AND a lot of people are waiting for the "October surprise" anyway so the expectations game actually favors Obama.

3) Will it cause Obama to get even better polling numbers?  Honestly, going negative worked with HRC to an extent because she had a strong populist leaning message to go with it.  What does McCain have to couple with a strong negative attack?

4) Its the economy stupid.  It seems lately that whenever someone tries to go all super-partisan they are getting it shoved back in their faces, primarily because the economy is so craptacular that people on both sides are thinking there are far more important things to worry about now.  Unless things magically clear up by election day, the economy is almost like the best force field going for the Democrats.

In the end, the GOP will definately come full boar, especially after Palin stinks up the place tomorrow, but I'm just not sure they have much of a playbook that hasn't already been done or would be effective.

by tlhwraith 2008-10-01 04:54AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

The big disadvantage that the Republicans have is that they're simply wrong on the issues, and circumstances have made that obvious to everyone.  The ran the economy into the ground, and as much as they want to pretend it's different, it's not.  Good God, Rush Limbaugh is painting the Republican Party as the ones who have been pushing FOR regulation.

We need to keep working and there's still 4 weeks to go, but unless there's some terrible revelation about Obama, it's not looking good for the Repubs.

by sneakers563 2008-10-01 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

I agree with this (though "full boar" sounds like a play on lipstick on a pig). I just don't see the full-on negative barrage working. Nate over on 538 hits why:


What that means is that Obama's floor is higher (and therefore McCain's ceiling is lower). What it also means is that negative attacks may be less effective for McCain, which are often targeted at soft supporters of the opposing candidate. The CW is that McCain ought to go starkly negative on Obama, but I'm not sure that he wouldn't stand a better chance by zigging when everyone expects him to zag, rebuilding his inherently strong brand, campaigning on the big-picture themes that dominated the GOP convention, and leaving it to the 527's to do his dirty work.

I think he's right on. There are far fewer "soft" Obama supporters than in most races. Obama's going into this period with a much higher approval rating, and McCain's going into it with a credibility problem.

Now, just because people are saying the negatives are going to fly doesn't mean it'll be McCain saying them. But it can't be Palin (ordinarily it would be, as the attack-dog VP role) because she has considerably poorer approval ratings than McCain; she'd just pull him down. So it's got to be limited to just the 527's. In order for McCain to recover any image, he'd have to publicly denounce the 527's. I don't think he has the stomach for that; he wants to attack Obama.

I agree with the rest too. It's not too late, but it's getting close. I think most of the good ammo is used up (they tried Ayers in August, Rezko earlier this month, Wright is much more distanced now, etc). Plus if it does get into a mudslinging match, Obama's left an enormous number of counterattacks against McCain unused. Changing the subject works. Rezko -> Keating 5. Wright etc -> Hagee etc. For most people the counterattacks will be new and fresh.

And the economy's going to drive things. McCain has to find a way to get some credibility on the economy or it doesn't matter how bad the attacks on Obama are, people will hold their nose and vote for him. It also doesn't help the attacks at all that we have an attack pattern set to try to prove Obama is unfit to be President when he's the only one looking like a grownup. If Obama was looking like McCain, unfocused and scattered and confused, the attacks would build into that narrative. But I think they may just make the attackers look foolish.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-01 08:01AM | 0 recs
SWEET

SWEEP!

My (over)confidence is no threat to the outcome. Please don't scold me.

I AM THOROUGHLY AND UNRESERVEDLY ENJOYING THESE NUMBERS!!!!

by QTG 2008-10-01 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

I was going to say "I can't wait to see Repub downticket candidates running from McCain/Palin," but, now that I think of it, I haven't seen them crowding around McCain/Palin anyway.

by Bush Bites 2008-10-01 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

If this holds up, we have the makings of a landslide. This could really help down-ticket races. Could we actually get 60 Senators? Can we flip any state houses, or at least make major inroads?

Consider the Florida State House and Senate. You'd be surprised just how dominated it is by Republicans. If Obama can get a strong showing in FL, this would really help out the State Democrats. Not to mention the awesome candidates we have in the grotesquely gerrymandered Congressional districts in Miami.

More importantly, a landslide would put us in an unbelievable position for redistricting in 2010. We see what the Republicans pulled off after the 2000 Census - they basically manufactured their Congressional majority. Let's not even talk about the mess in Texas. If Democrats make inroads at the state level, we can AT LEAST undo the lopsided districting favoring Republicans, and just maybe create districts that favor higher Democratic totals. We have a lot riding on this election.

by fsugrad2005 2008-10-01 05:01AM | 0 recs
re:60

KY is actually looking very possible all of the sudden.  My prediction is we'll make it to 58, but it all depends on how badly the pollsters are underestimating Obama's turnout.

by semiquaver 2008-10-01 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

McCain has at least 100 Rezkos in his past (and present).

I hope Axelrod is ready to expose every one of them.

by Bush Bites 2008-10-01 05:05AM | 0 recs
totally agree

once the Keating 5 ads start running, not to mention the meme, which might not actually get into ads, but will certainly get out there that "McCain cheated on and ditched his crippled wife", I think we'll be ok.

by semiquaver 2008-10-01 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: totally agree

They'll come out as responses if any anti-Obama ads gain traction. I think Obama would be plenty happy to leave Keating 5 and the rest alone all the way out into November, because that would mean he was never seriously threatened.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-01 08:02AM | 0 recs
Great numbers

Remember, early voting is happening NOW.  The time for going hard negative is running out and the GOP will have a tough time coming up with a new tack.

There's a reason Obama has a taken a lead: the economy. Lots of culturally conservative Democrats who didn't trust Obama before are backing him now because of the economy. These voters know all about the "connections" and have stayed away from Obama because of them. But they are Democrats due to economic issues. And as long as the economy tanks, these voters will get beyond culture issues.

That doesn't mean the GOP won't try to push quasi-racist culture war issues. It's just that with the economy the way it is, those measures might not work as well.

It's October already. The time to destroy somebody on culture is August and early September.

by elrod 2008-10-01 05:11AM | 0 recs
"Troubling relationships"

Good lord, that's where they WANT the race to go?  Because I assure you, Obama won't go there first, but you can bet he has a map and a GPS to navigate all of McCain's troublesome relationships.

by Dracomicron 2008-10-01 05:14AM | 0 recs
Desperate times call for ....

Fight Fire with Fire.  They Bring up Wright.  We bring up Keating Five.  When you just have lost your job, Wright is not going to help bring it back.  We've seen this already.  In away it's to late for McCain to pull that card.  

by nzubechukwu 2008-10-01 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

As for McCain going seriously negative, this is where I'm very glad for how long Clinton was in the race and how many of these issues were aired to the public for so long.  I think that'll be a godsend if the race goes seriously negative over the next few weeks.

Go Sagehens.

by syrinx 2008-10-01 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

This feels like one time where the "throwing the mud" strategy might not work as advertised. Because people have been exposed (massively) to Rev Wright, it is unlikely to have the explosively negative effect it had the first time. Plus, the Obama campaign has been laying the ground work of the "he will say anything to get elected" meme so thoroughly that if McCain does this it is likely to play into that notion.

I do not doubt that they will try to slime Obama in the next week or two, but somehow it feels like this year these things will not prove a winning ticket.

by wasder 2008-10-01 05:23AM | 0 recs
Go Ahead GOP - You have the most troubling

"negative relationship" of all -- with the worst President in American history.

by activatedbybush 2008-10-01 05:30AM | 0 recs
That's good

You know, Obama could kill two birds with one stone with that concept: a) head off the McCain Wright attack first, while b) reinforcing your own attack you've been crafting this cycle.

by iohs2008 2008-10-01 05:50AM | 0 recs
Rev. Wright

How much damage can Wright do at this point?   All the Republicans that I know, already know all about the Wright tapes and they have already worked them out in their heads.    This was not just a Democratic Primary issue.

I think there are very few people who are actually going to vote this fall who haven't already seen those 'God damn America' tapes.  Most have separated out Wright's actions from Obama's stance.

by gavoter 2008-10-01 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev. Wright

Plus, there is plenty of weird Palin church tapes with her as the star or sitting in the audience. If the GOP is not hesitant to start bringing up pastors, they really are super desperate.

by Lolis 2008-10-01 06:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev. Wright

Palin doesn't work as a response; "everyone" knows she's a right-wing wacko with right-wing preacher problems. That's her charm to the base.

Hagee might well get some traction though.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-01 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

Jerome, my jaw nearly crashed through the Earth when I read this post. Not one pejorative comment about Obama or his campaign? I believe there is hope in the air, indeed!

by UMassforObama 2008-10-01 06:23AM | 0 recs
GOP Indiana Ads

In Indiana the RNC is running ads at least twice an hour blaming Obama for the current economic crisis and making a ridiculous claim that Obama wants to spend several trillion to solve it.

The RNC has already pulled out the stops.

by bakho 2008-10-01 06:27AM | 0 recs
Biased analysis.

I am very disappointed in this post.

by Concern Troll 2008-10-01 06:40AM | 0 recs
wERE dOOMED!!1

All the poll numbers are be wrong to us!!!!

by Spiffarino 2008-10-01 06:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Biased analysis.

Yes, that's it, I am voting for Nader...

Or for Bob Barr, that's my ticket!

Perot? Can I vote Perot?

So MANY choices....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-01 08:04AM | 0 recs
wright/ayers etc

For some reason I think this may backfire. People may ask themselves why it is that McCain has been relatively quiet, but then, in the midst of a financial/economic freefall, when job numbers will probably real shitty, unemployment up, and loans drying up, that he now thinks that Obama's relationship with Wright should be the issue to decide the election.

by highgrade 2008-10-01 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: wright/ayers etc

What about the whitey tape.  That worries me.

by Concern Troll 2008-10-01 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: wright/ayers etc

Texas Darlin'k has ABSOLUTE PROOF Obama has faked his US Citizenship.

He was born on the planet Rezko, he is not even human, but a Plant/Animal Hybrid!

She is planning on realizing this proof on Nov 5th.

She's not real good with dates and calendars and some such stuff....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-01 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: wright/ayers etc

I knew it.

by Concern Troll 2008-10-01 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

The Obama camp's first maneuver - before McSame gets his attack machine into high gear - should be to paint him as a completely unprincipled Washington politician. His connection to Charles Keating is a good start, followed by his 1250 position changes over the past twenty years, followed by his firm embrace of all things deregulatory and Reagalicious.

The key is to start NOW...don't wait for McCain to trot out Obama's spurious connections to urban terr'ists and snakey Chicago businessmen. They need to kick him while he's down and cover him with rocks.

by Spiffarino 2008-10-01 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

Get more agressive?  How many often can they call Obama an uppity n**, and who is left to believe it?  

by captain dan 2008-10-01 07:18AM | 0 recs
McCain may have too much pride

He may not go gutter the way you would normally expect a GOP candidate to do.  He has been known as a clean campaigner pretty much, and even when he took the gloves off against Romney, he was pretty much run of the mill stuff you expect on flip flops, etc.   He didn't pull a Huckabee and go to the religion thing (unless I am mistaken, I didn't follow that race all that close).

McCain may be content to make his case, run clean, and lose.  

I mean he is a month out and he hasn't raised 3 or 4 of the "low hanging fruit" attacks that I'd expect.   Even Clinton touched on cocaine, which might be a problem with Wonder Bread voters in a lot of states.

by RichardFlatts 2008-10-01 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain may have too much pride

And you believe this why? Because he's steered clear of Ayers thus far? (Oops) Or because he's steered clear of Rezko? (Oops) Or because he's avoided calling Obama unpatriotic? (Oops) Or because he's kept to his word about not assigning blame for the bailout bill failing? (Oops) Because he's been studiously honest thus far? (Oops) Because he'd never do something like, say, accuse Obama of wanting to destroy the innocence of kindergartners? (Oops) Or use race-baiting images in his commercials? (Oops)

I'm just wondering why you think McCain would suddenly try to run a clean campaign, when thus far his campaign has set new lows for sleaze?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-01 08:09AM | 0 recs
That is all pretty run of the mill stuff

I am not sure what race baiting you are referring to however.   I know from the primaries that Obama, his wife, and his supporters tend to see race baiting everywhere, even when none is there.

But Ayers, Rezko, etc. those are all little things that are out there.   Not unlike hitting Romney for wanting to publically fund abortions.  I meant it is right there.   You have to expect those, just like you have to expect Obama to hit McCain on age, which he has.

No what is real gutter stuff is the Harold Ford type call me ads, or digging drug use, or past friends that would say they did so and so with him, etc.  

by RichardFlatts 2008-10-01 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain may have too much pride

Cocaine?

Shit, if THAT is what tips these people to McCain, meanwhile their 401Ks are turning to toilet paper before their eyes, those voters make the term Low Information look like a compliment.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-01 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

We're also overlooking the very real possibility that the GOP "attack machine" may be out of order.  What I mean by that is the party is thoroughly splintered right now on the economy, there's no clear ideological or logistical leader, and a lot of the GOP just isn't all that hot on McCain.  I don't know how much political currency the GOP is willing to throw down for McCain, especially given his recent tact from their core ideologies.

We will see in the next few weeks, but I think the lefts fear of "the great GOP smear machine" may be a little blown out of proportion, and that's not overconfidence, just an assessment of the GOP compared to previous election cycles.

by tlhwraith 2008-10-01 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

The attack machine (527's, right-wing talk radio) is a big leaky but still working. A few of them are too annoyed at McCain to be fully on board with attacking, but most of them are.

Where they're losing it is in the punditry class. The George Wills, the Krauthammers, etc, aren't thrilled with McCain and they're letting people know it. Without the punditry class the attack machine loses its intellectual cover.

It'll still work for the base, but, duh. Anything works for the base. I'm not sure it'll work for moderates/independents/etc without the punditry fully on board.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-01 08:12AM | 0 recs
Are We Witnessing a New Era in Politics?

Conventional wisdom is that it's been 28 years since the Republicans started dominating the political debate. Some political scientists say that the Republican era actually began in 1968. But whenever the last political era began, the last time we went from a Republican dominant era to a Democratic dominant era was in 1932. That's a whole lifetime ago. Now is the time to pay attention to politics. We may be witnessing a once in a lifetime event as the Reagan era comes to a close, ushering a new Obama era. But we won't know for sure for another 20 years.

by Zzyzzy 2008-10-01 08:22AM | 0 recs
MyDD Map

Doesn't the electoral map on MyDD go by the RCP averages now? If so, shouldn't North Carolina (+0.07 RCP) be blue? Or do you wait for a lead of >1.0 to change a state? Just curious.

by slvn 2008-10-01 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: MyDD Map

No, it goes by the average between RCP, 538 & Pollster).

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-10-01 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: MyDD Map

Thanks--I just noticed this in your "333 - 205" thread, and I headed back here to correct myself, but you got here first. Anyway, good news, and thank you for keeping track of it all.

by slvn 2008-10-01 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

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by creditloanguy 2008-10-01 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

Stop Spamming.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-10-01 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: In the States

Battleground massively under predicts the amount of young voters that will actually vote.  fivethirtyeight.com had a good post on this a couple of days ago.

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