Jerome's Personal Election Thread

I will bump this up as I update it, Jerome

First off: Networks project McCain victory:

For the second time in eight years, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona has won the Republican primary in New Hampshire, according to Associated Press and television network projections. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was running second. Details to come.

Second: With 15% reporting, Clinton leads by 4 percent, now, who were the bloggers saying this was over?  Banish them to delegate calculations. Even if Obama does pull ahead, we have a real battle for the nomination.

Update [2008-1-8 21:00:12 by Jerome Armstrong]: Obama is said to already have made travel plans to get an expected endorsement from the powerful Culinary Workers union in Nevada on Friday... With 23 percent reporting, Clinton opens her lead over Obama by a 40-34 margin. Edwards at 18 percent. Hope you are having fun.

Update [2008-1-8 21:16:12 by Jerome Armstrong]: The culinary vote/endorsement, or not, comes at 11 pm est tonight. With 34 percent reporting, Clinton is still ahead by 4 percent. At this rate, the only question is going to be who calls it first for Clinton-- that's the win, she's already beaten the expectations game. I emailed georgep and told him to get back in the action here. Marc Ambinder says that the "Obama leadership cloistered to figure out why" Clinton seems poised to win. Any suggestions?

Update [2008-1-8 21:38:28 by Jerome Armstrong]:
Over? No. Pretty close. Clinton by 2% with 42% reporting. This bodes awful well for Clinton:

Clinton 6,827, Obama 4,654 in 9 of 12 Manchester wards
Clinton 3,464, Obama 2,089 in 4 of 9 Nashua wards

So does this, from Mike Connery:

Overall, youth turnout looks to be up. Turnout is up across the state - among all demographics - and young voters are currently projected to be 18% of the electorate - up from 14% in 2004. This means the hard turnout numbers (how many 18-29 year old actually cast a ballot) is also likely way up.

18 - 24 year olds: 11% of the electorate - Obama winning with 61% 25 - 29 year olds: 7% of the electorate - Clinton winning narrowly 37% - 34%

In Iowa, Obama carried both the 17-24 and 25-29 demographics with 57% of the vote. Clinton cutting into his lead among the older Millennials could be bad news for Obama.

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Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

According to the Concord's early returns, she is doing well enough to avoid a knock out.  She was ahead by 12% in Florida today...this might be enough for her to carry MI and FL going into 2/5.

by rcipw 2008-01-08 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

If she pulls this off, I want a front seat to watch the explosion of Chris Matthews' head.  

by Radiowalla 2008-01-08 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Actually, Jerome, I am curious. Who were the bloggers saying that Obama had secured the nomination after winning Iowa?

by Kal 2008-01-08 03:39PM | 0 recs
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I use bloggers loosely, basically, those on the blogs. Tell me you've been away for 5 days, right?

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-08 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

I've been reading just as diligently as you. I just thought that if you were directly addressing people, you'd be prepared to cite who you were talking about. But I guess you were just attacking straw men.

by Kal 2008-01-08 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Are you in a bad mood for some reason?  Scads of people have been declaring the race over.  All kinds of Obama supporters saying Hillary should drop out before it gets embarrassing, etc.

by Steve M 2008-01-08 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Can you give a link to anyone seriously saying that Clinton should drop out before New Hampshire?

by Kal 2008-01-08 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Do you think I keep these comments bookmarked or something?  If you think Jerome and I are lying, have a look around the site yourself.

by Steve M 2008-01-08 03:58PM | 0 recs
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I'm just asking for evidence to back up Jerome's claims. If there's none to be had, well, he had better do better research before he posts in the future.

But if there are serious posts from people demanding that Clinton drop out before New Hampshire, I'd like to see them.

by Kal 2008-01-08 04:05PM | 0 recs
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If you think a post doesn't exist until someone provides you with the link, you are a silly person.

by Steve M 2008-01-08 04:08PM | 0 recs
by souvarine 2008-01-08 04:08PM | 0 recs
Thank You

Those people in the first two diaries you linked to really jumped the gun, didn't they?

I guess there are people out there that don't understand the idea of a "reality-based" community.

by Kal 2008-01-08 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You

don't you owe an apology for throwing out  baseless accusations?

by CalDem 2008-01-08 10:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You

don't you owe an apology for throwing out  baseless accusations?

by CalDem 2008-01-08 10:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Why so angry?

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-08 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

No anger. I'm just worried about the credibility of this blog, which I've been reading for years.

by Kal 2008-01-08 04:05PM | 0 recs
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Ah, go find another thread to whine on and on.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-08 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

I'm just looking for sources. It's an important part of blogging, especially if we want to be taken seriously by the old media. We're better than Matt Drudge.  

by Kal 2008-01-08 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

I don't qualify as a "blogger" by any stretch of the imagination, but I was definitely thinking --- and posting --- 'magic wave'.

I think a few days back I compared Jerome and his obsession over delegate counts to Joey Knish, played by John Turturro in the movie Rounders --- "keep grinding out those numbers, it's noble work you're doing", as Worm/Edward Norton put it.

...recalling how Norton's fortunes turned out in that movie, I guess I shoulda found a Matt Damon line.

by zonk 2008-01-08 04:36PM | 0 recs
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I want to sit next to you to watch Matthews.

by americanincanada 2008-01-08 03:39PM | 0 recs
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OFF with Matthews' head!!!

by Hillary2008 2008-01-08 03:39PM | 0 recs
Exit polls: O(39.44%), HRC (38.12%), E(15.72%)
if we calculate using male/female split from CNN exit polls, we get this:

Spreadsheet.
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-08 03:40PM | 0 recs
That would be a win for Clinton

by rcipw 2008-01-08 03:41PM | 0 recs
39.44 (O) > 38.12 (H) (est)

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-08 03:49PM | 0 recs
I'll say it again

that would be a win for Clinton.

by rcipw 2008-01-08 03:56PM | 0 recs
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So why were all the polls but Suffolk wrong? Not enough Dem voters? It certainly looks like an absolute FLOOD of Ds from what we can see.

Second question, if Clinton does become the nominee, can she bring out indies or are we looking at another 51-49 type battle?

by MNPundit 2008-01-08 03:40PM | 0 recs
I'd love to have a 3 way race through April

I'd love to have a 3 way race through April.  It would be wonderful to actually have my Caucus vote (in Kansas) Count.

AND everyone I work with supports Edwards.  For the health care & anti-corporate language.

by katiebird 2008-01-08 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd love to have a 3 way race through April

I just want the race to last more than five short days...how ridiculous to have a nominee decided this way.

by tabbycat in tenn 2008-01-08 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

FOX: Exit polls said McCain 35, Romney 30 and Obama 39, Clinton 34

by Steve M 2008-01-08 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

A slender ray of hope, perhaps?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-08 04:46PM | 0 recs
Team Obama

should have been running around talking about how strong Clinton was in NH--"it's her firewall, stronghold, etc"--but instead they seemed to have bought the hype about a blowout.

It seems from the exit polls that McCain stole some indies from Obama.

That said, it's early: Obama could still win by 7-8.

by david mizner 2008-01-08 03:42PM | 0 recs
I'll buy that...

Maybe I missed it, but I saw and read NO, NONE, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO expectations management by the Obama team.

Maybe they bought the hype.

I think more likely, they saw the 'expectations game' as anathema to their campaign message.  The whole "above politics" themes makes it awfully hard to talk horserace, doesn't it?   That's the downside of the Obama themes... you can't as easily go to the tried and true toolbox.

Still - I think the campaign actually would have been well-served to defend Clinton over the weekend.  It frankly would have made me feel a bit better had Obama surrogates been chiding the media, talking up Clinton, etc.  

At minimum, when your lead appears to be mushrooming - you gotta leak some 'internals' to
bloggers, the media, or someone saying "it's closer than everyone thinks", no?

by zonk 2008-01-08 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll buy that...

ah...I'm pretty sure they played expectations going into Iowa.

by rcipw 2008-01-08 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll buy that...

There's a quote Shaun Appleby has been posting about how it's a tough fight from here on out, yadda yadda.

The thing is, after Obama gave his speech in Iowa and basically declared the campaign a rendezvous with destiny, it's very hard to manage expectations no matter what you say.  It's hard to claim to be making history in one breath and say "we're taking nothing for granted" in the next.

by Steve M 2008-01-08 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll buy that...

Good point.

Still, though... maybe you don't have the candidate do it himself, but don't you "leak" internals and spend all weekend and all day Monday telling anyone mediot that will listen that it's a tight, tight race?

Of course - then I guess you can't really sell the rendezvous with destiny theme, either.

by zonk 2008-01-08 04:16PM | 0 recs
Bandwagon effect

I think they were hoping to benefit from the perception that Obama was unstoppable. Same approach Bush/Rove used at the end of the 2000 campaign. Really, the same as Hillary's "inevitability" campaign in the summer & fall of last year.

by Shawn 2008-01-08 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll buy that...

It is but I did try.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-08 04:48PM | 0 recs
very surprised

and I'm kind of thrilled because frankly both Obama and Hillary have terrible positions, corporate lobbyist positions on economic issues.  Seriously, just look at the recent trade votes of Obama.  Getting a trade/economic policy that is in the national interest is near impossible due to the big money influence/demands so I feel the only way to get anywhere is to have a real battle where one of them has to pay token attention to the middle class.

I'm also kind of thrilled because I feel Corporate Hillary is getting some serious sexism thrown her way and that's uncool.  I also note some idiot forwarded me the brazen racist attack against Obama via emails.

by Robert Oak 2008-01-08 03:42PM | 0 recs
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If Clinton wins this, we are looking at another election where the Democrat loses the independent vote and probably the general election.  

by Toddwell 2008-01-08 03:54PM | 0 recs
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"another"?

by Steve M 2008-01-08 03:57PM | 0 recs
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Democrats lost the independent vote in the 2000 and 2004 general elections.  Hillary is not going to make it any better.  

by Toddwell 2008-01-08 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Kerry won the independent vote.  Gore only lost it because of Nader.

by Steve M 2008-01-08 04:01PM | 0 recs
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Im sorry, Kerry did win it(just 50%-49%) and he still came up three points short.  

by Toddwell 2008-01-08 04:07PM | 0 recs
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Gore lost?

by world dictator 2008-01-08 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Obama is said to already have made travel plans to get an expected endorsement from the powerful Culinary Workers union in Nevada on Friday

Can we have a source that Obama's already made travel plans?

Sorry. Trust, but verify.

by Kal 2008-01-08 03:56PM | 0 recs
don't worry

obama is going to win by double digits according to the polls.

anything less than 15 percent is a victory.

by yellowdem1129 2008-01-08 03:57PM | 0 recs
Well...

I think it's more Kos + various posters on blogs, but yeah --

I'm shocked by this.  I think that, frankly - the letter to TPM nails it.   I don't mean to take anything at all away from Clinton - but I think we're seeing some backlash from people that were more than just a bit pissed about the media and their treatment of Hillary Clinton.  I can't disagree with that sentiment... if I could cast both symbolic "piss off the media" and "for Democratic Presidential nominee" votes, I'd probably split 'em between Clinton and Obama.

We still aren't going to see a race decided by superdelegates and multiple convention roll calls... I WILL stand by that prediction all the way through the last primary/I'm proven wrong.

by zonk 2008-01-08 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Well...

Maybe not, but that would be if Clinton rolled here on out (something I don't expect will happen, but could).

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-08 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Clinton's cleaning up in Nashua, too...if this keeps up she's definitely going to take this thing...Obama needs the upper valley to come in strong for him as well as salem, derry, exeter, and durham.

by blueflorida 2008-01-08 04:11PM | 0 recs
Gotta be

something the networks know regarding where the results have come from or exit polling, no?

A few spurts in both directions here or there - but I'm not seeing a trend that's moving this margin back towards Obama.

So Clinton gets the "win" -- regardless of how it turns out.

Rate the win...

If the current numbers hold, and she wins -- hell, wins at all, forget 3-4 points -- she's back in the driver's seat.... and I gotta start really working on my Edwards leaning friends :-)

If Obama scrapes back with an insignificant win - the momentum is gone from Obama and back in Hillary's camp

If Obama can somehow, by some geographic miracle, make it a 2-3-4 pt win, I think he can salvage a "tie" if his team plays it right... AND they still get the NV culinary endorsement.

I don't see any way Obama can expect anything more than that....

by zonk 2008-01-08 04:13PM | 0 recs
37 percent

Hillary is still not down 15 percent yet

that is a win.
If what i heard is correct that hillary won dems in a democratic party is really big

by yellowdem1129 2008-01-08 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Marc Ambinder says that the "Obama leadership cloistered to figure out why" Clinton seems poised to win. Any suggestions?

God, I hope nobody suggests race as the reason why there was a big difference between the polls and the final results, if these numbers hold up. I thought we firmly killed that meme with Iowa.

At this rate, the only question is going to be who calls it first for Clinton

Of course, if Obama wins this thing, you're going to have quite a bit of egg on your face, akin to those who called NH for Obama before the polls closed. ;)

by Kal 2008-01-08 04:19PM | 0 recs
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Here's what I think.

1) People were pissed off at all the Hillary obits in the media all weekend and united to screw the media.

2) Indies felt Obama had it locked up so went for McCain instead of Obama.

3) Clinton called out the party regulars to defeat Obama surge, resulting in skewing the numbers compared to the polling (lots of Dems voting).

MSNBC has it at 3% lead with 39% reporting. I am waiting for the 65% to call it myself.

by MNPundit 2008-01-08 04:21PM | 0 recs
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Ah, not quite, but nice try. I've called it for her beating the expectations.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-08 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

That's not what you wrote:

At this rate, the only question is going to be who calls it first for Clinton-- that's the win, she's already beaten the expectations game.

You clearly said that the only question remaining tonight is which network will call Clinton the victor first, as Clinton has already beaten expectations. You say that Clinton has already won.

I don't see how you could interpret your own words any other way. At least stand by what you wrote, Jerome.

by Kal 2008-01-08 04:30PM | 0 recs
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3%/2,800 votes

It's not over yet.

by Ramo 2008-01-08 04:19PM | 0 recs
KAREN HICKS!

Miracle worker!

That's my suggestion.

by souvarine 2008-01-08 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: KAREN HICKS!

Exactly what I thought when I saw that Clinton was surprisingly ahead.

Check out her Fall 2006 (Sept. 26) DFA Night School on "Winning with Social Networks" (the real world kind, not Facebook).

by Luigi Montanez 2008-01-08 04:26PM | 0 recs
Preliminary Youth Turnout Stats

CNN's  exit poll is up and the youth vote stats are REALLY interesting (if still preliminary).

Overall, youth turnout looks to be up.  Turnout is up across the state - among all demographics - and young voters are currently projected to be 18% of the electorate - up from 14% in 2004.  This means the hard turnout numbers (how many 18-29 year old actually cast a ballot) is also likely way up.

18 - 24 year olds: 11% of the electorate - Obama winning with 61%
25 - 29 year olds: 7% of the electorate - Clinton winning narrowly 37% - 34%

In Iowa, Obama carried both the 17-24 and 25-29 demographics with 57% of the vote.  Clinton cutting into his lead among the older Millennials could be bad news for Obama.

It looks like Clinton's 5 day youth blitz might be paying dividends.  If so, I'll be eating crow tonight.

by Mike Connery 2008-01-08 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

i'll provide insight for why Clinton won IF she does. I don't think she will. But early thoughts for why its close thus far...shaheen machine/media backlash

by world dictator 2008-01-08 04:21PM | 0 recs
Suggestions? We all want to vote in the primary

Suggestions?  We all want to vote in the primary.  And the people of New Hampshire wanted to give us that chance.

Who knows?  Maybe Obama's support just isn't that deep.

by katiebird 2008-01-08 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Suggestions? We all want to vote in the prima

Do you honestly think this won't start a tidal wave of "Hillary Invincible Now!" sentiments?

That would be nice.

by MNPundit 2008-01-08 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Suggestions? We all want to vote in the prima

I think that would be a little much, don't you?  I think we've got a chance at a 3 way race.  And I'm sticking with that -- for the next week at least!

Could they honestly flip the narrative AGAIN this quick?

by katiebird 2008-01-08 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Just goes to show that everyone loves an underdog.

by LakersFan 2008-01-08 04:21PM | 0 recs
Why Clinton is ahead

2 reasons

The Clinton ground game GOTV worked really well.  Obama won the GOTV in Iowa.

McCain pulled in a lot of independents that otherwise might have gone to Obama.

by bakho 2008-01-08 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread
From Kos..
Unfortunately, based on the precinct reporting data found here, most of the areas that I would expect to be strongholds for Obama -- like Porsmouth, Keene, Dover, Manchester and Concord -- have already voted. There are a few left, like Hanover and Durham, but I don't think it will be enought to make a difference. I think Hillary is going to pull thi sone off.
by mecarr 2008-01-08 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

No...pretty much all of western new hampshire (2nd CD) is a liberal region that classically goes for "insurgent" candidates like Dean, Bradley, etc. Most of that is still out. Rockingham County contains lots of independent voters and "new to politics" types who are likely to bend toward Obama. Much of that vote is still out. Durham is where the biggest university in the state is located...and that is still out.  Not over yet.

by blueflorida 2008-01-08 04:35PM | 0 recs
I already called it for Clinton

And I didn't need any fancy-pants analysis to do it. :)

Easy as pie.

by fabooj 2008-01-08 04:26PM | 0 recs
Maybe the adult vote

turn out is higher?

This is VERY interesting.

by kevin22262 2008-01-08 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome's Personal Election Thread

Oh man, Clinton's winning Salem, too...

by blueflorida 2008-01-08 04:57PM | 0 recs

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