the fact is that obama clearly mentioned his economic, and health care policies. and if maxine hopped on to the obama website she could find out his positions on all of the issues that concern her constituents. this tactic of blindly attacking the message of "hope" and "change" seems to be a way for clinton and her supporters to try and belittle obamas message.

that being said, I don't think there is any proem with mentioning the messenger when they are clearly attacking obama. the fact is that waters is regularly criticized for being one of the most corrupt members of congress. if she spent half as much time representing her constituents interests as she does promoting her own, maybe she would have more to show for her service to the district.  

I am very familiar with it.  I've been a fan of hers for a long time.  But I think the comment is a little hypocritical.

An Ad Hominim is a logical fallacy. Further, attacking the messenger doesn't disprove the messenger.

The point is, she makes a comment about results being more important than principle or hope.  But she doesn't offer results herself.  Only principle and hope.

I'm not blaming her.  The system is inequitable.  NAFTA has done in the working class job base and her constituents are suffering as the result.

But a little more humility is in order.  The Clintons had their chance before and her district is still in poverty.

If she made a swipe at Obama like that in my presence, I would.

I agree, but I also don't understand the value of it even if we weren't talking on those terms- how does he help to deliver Oh for example or NM or any of the states that would throw the GOP strategy into a tailspin.

This will come across as back hand compliment- but its nice to see a post ofyours that doesn't feel like spin. My question is whether this has been proven or this speculation? Proven not in the sense that we have won or lost election that way, but is there proof that his growth is possible. This feel like Rove's turn out the base argument.

Nope.

You can't bring "change" as the 'next-in-line'.

This is a slam at HRC - but it's true, and you know it - you can't bring 'transparency' to governemnt coming from under a Clinton administration.

You can't be the fresh face, the outsider - running as a VP.

It will kill Obama's political career.  He'll be tarred just like Gore - wanting to run "his own" campaign, but being unable to break free from whence he came... just like Gore - maybe he could win a slim majority (SCOTUS aside), but he won't be able to run or serve as what he can now.

If Obama doesn't win the nomination - I pray Clinton doesn't offer him the VP slot.  Obama's best route to another run in 2012 or 2016 is then through the IL governor's mansion... not 4-8 years going to funerals.

Obama went first and here's what he said right away going to the heart of the subtext of the question which was it's all their fault.

OBAMA: Well, let me first of all say that I have worked on the streets of Chicago as an organizer with people who have been laid off from steel plants, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, and, you know, all of them are feeling economically insecure right now, and they have been for many years. Before the latest round of immigrants showed up, you had huge unemployment rates among African-American youth.

And, so, I think to suggest somehow that the problem that we're seeing in inner-city unemployment, for example, is attributable to immigrants, I think, is a case of scapegoating that I do not believe in, I do not subscribe to.

Clinton however, when asked about the Drivers Licenses came back to Barack's question and weaved in a story which I found surprising and unnecessary:

CLINTON: Well, let me start with the original question from Kim, because I think it deserves an answer.  I believe that in many parts of our country, because of employers who exploit undocumented workers and drive down wages, there are job losses. And I think we should be honest about that.  There are people who have been pushed out of jobs and factories and meat processing plants, and all kinds of settings. And I meet them.

You know, I was in Atlanta last night, and an African-American man said to me, "I used to have a lot of construction jobs, and now it just seems like the only people who get them anymore are people who are here without documentation." So, I know that what we have to do is to bring our country together to have a comprehensive immigration reform solution.

Please try to look at people as individuals.  

You think stuckinsf works for Obama or something?