We won all the internalbut the Experience issue. So off to NH

yikes, beating clinton by 1% among Dems? This could spell trouble in closed primary states.

yikes, beating clinton by 1% among Dems? This could spell trouble in closed primary states.

Again, are you saying you will not vote for Obama in a General Election?  If so, I just don't understand that perspective at all.  Obama was correct on Iraq and Edwards and Hillary were wrong.  His comments regarding Pakistan were made months ago and obviously would be modified given events on the ground since then.  I obviously respect any Democrats right to prefer a different candidate, but the idea that you would defect from the party if that person doesn't win the nomination seems -at the very least - extreme.  

poor Fred Thompson..he did a little too well tonight to be allowed to retire from the field

One could argue its YOU "reliable" Dems who nominated Dukakis, Mondale, etc over the years have helped lead us into this mess.  

Kyl-Lieberman and Mark Penn's influence cost Hillary.

Period.

She got too cute by half sucking up to the AIPACs of the world and triangulating and running a general election campaign (trying to win Florida) prematurely and now may not even be the nominee.

I am not the biggest fan of Obama, but we need to destroy these corpocrats and centrists and Mark Penns and Lee Feinsteins.

She's done.  And it was because of Mark Penn and his insistence on her running a general election campaign whilst still in a primary.
Kyl-Lieberman is an example of her looking to win Florida prematurely.

Woot!  Russert and all the media tools owe us big time.  Maybe it's petty of me, but "I told you so."

Youth To Power: How Today's Young Voters Are Building Tomorrow's Progressive Majority - buy the book!

Hillary is in bigger trouble than you might think because the rhetorical pillars of her campaign have been shattered.

Watch Obama's speech - he has a rationale, a storyline for his candidacy that's exciting and inspiring.

Up until tonight, Clinton's storyline was what? - strength and experience, together with inevitability and electability. Ability to work the system to achieve liberal goals. In other words, results.

With tonight's results, Obama was the one who brought about results - and they were stunning, bringing out record numbers, actually turning out the youth vote, and bringing in huge numbers of independents to the Democratic coalition, even winning women by 5 points.

If Clinton sticks with her current narrative, she risks sounding irrelevant. If she scrambles to change it, which is what I suspect they will do, she may tread an even more dangerous path as the media digs its claws in...

Obama also won both among men and women.

Yes, in fact the DMR poll showed this, but that was the one out-of-line with all the other polls.

Edwards' 30% today is less than his 32% in Iowa in 2004 by the way.

up with a method to calculate hard votes... I imagine Obama won by over 10% in the real numbers rather than delegates, because of high turnout in metro areas

nothing like a good old fashioned spin. :-)

Final figures:

SENATOR BARACK OBAMA : 37.58%
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS : 29.75%
SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON : 29.47%
GOVERNOR BILL RICHARDSON : 2.11%
SENATOR JOE BIDEN : 0.93%

Huckabee                  Edwards
outspent 16-1            outspent 6-1
40,000 votes              60,000 votes
1st place Rep            2nd place Dem
25%+ of talk             <0.3% of talk
on MSNBC/CNN        on MSNBC/CNN (mostly Olberman  and Bennet saying negative things about Edwards)

Clinton                       Paul
$20M Q4                    $20M Q4
well below expectations  well above expectations
25% of talk                 <1% of talk
on MSNBC/CNN               on MSNBC/CNN

Sometimes, I think political analysts are no more consistent than politicians, and that both make decisions based on their emotions far more than they would care to admit.

I look forward to watching Stewart and Colbert next week when I can finally be educated by political analysts I can trust to think deeply and speak honestly.

Care to explain your reasoning?  

HRC, JE, and Obama sre largely in agreement on most issues.  Most of their differences are stylistic or in terms of their strategies for how to achieve progressive change.

Ok, it amazes me that even for the rarified audience of a political blog i've had to state this so many times:

The United States has a two party system.  

In a presidential election, not voting for the democratic nominee is the SAME THING as voting for the Republican nominee!!

I hope you come around in time for the GE...

Democrats will lose the general election if Obama is their nominee. Once again we are committing harakiri.

Our folks have no sense of reality.

For a taste of how the Beltway media is going to spin the Obama victory into a potentially negative narrative, here's what Walter Shapiro wrote in Salon.com today:
"There will be many attempts in the next few days to define Obama's magnetic appeal...why Iowa turned its love light on a candidate whose grandmother lives in a village in Kenya. It may be a case where emotion...trumps clear-eyed rationality." In other words, watch for the Betway media to focus more critically not on Obama but on his followers. Another more anecdotal view of this from Worm's-eye view, a caucus-goer in Iowa, commenting over at TPM Election Central:
"I also sensed a greater cultural difference between Obama's caucus-goers and those for Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richardson...Obama's caucus-goers were overwhelmingly young and somewhat counter-cultural (nose-piercings, beanie hats, facial hair, etc.). The other candidates had a broader range of ages and backgrounds among their supporters. In the course of chatting with many non-Obama supporters, I got a strong sense of discomfort from a good number of working-class and middle-aged and older Iowans."

I've seen no comment on how Richardson and Kucinich supporters moving to Obama in a bloc contributed to the final count. The difference between the Obama and Edwards would not seem to be so great otherwise and all the references to new voter turnout and women etc would seem to apply to Edwards as well if not across the board for Dems and not specifically for Obama.  Old school Politics and spin fluffing Barak much?