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What's up this Sunday evening?

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2/5 cannot come soon enough so we have some closure

by kristoph 2008-01-27 07:08PM | 0 recs
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Thank you.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-01-27 07:10PM | 0 recs
NeoCon Anniversary /JA29Ak04.html


Jan 29, 2008  

Neo-cons shaken, but not deterred

WASHINGTON - Almost exactly five years after it reached its zenith with the invasion of Iraq, the influence of neo-conservatives has waned sharply in Washington, as their nemeses, the "realists" in the national security bureaucracy, have increasingly asserted control over US foreign policy.

While battered, however, neo-conservatives have not yet been forced from the field. And while their hopes that President George W Bush would "take out" Iran's nuclear program before leaving office appear to have diminished substantially, their hawkish voice is still heard loud and clear both in the White House - courtesy of Vice President Dick Cheney's office and Deputy National Security

adviser Elliott Abrams - and in this year's Republican presidential race, where neo-conservative favorites include former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, Senator John McCain, and, until earlier last week, Fred Thompson.

Indeed, as pointed out in Jacob Heilbrunn's new book They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neo-cons (Doubleday), the neo-cons, despite the fiasco in Iraq, are already trying to detach themselves from both Bush and the Mesopotamian adventure they so avidly championed and entrench themselves ever more deeply into institutional Washington.

"Whether it's the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies or the National Endowment for Democracy, the Weekly Standard or the New York Sun, the neo-conservatives are battle-hardened fighters who have created a permanent base for themselves. They will not disappear," according to Heilbrunn, a former neo-conservative himself and senior editor at the Nixon Center's The National Interest journal.

by dearreader 2008-01-28 01:35AM | 0 recs

Also I just heard that Clinton is leading in early voting in California by 16%.

(It came through a chain of people so take it with a grain of salt.)

by kristoph 2008-01-27 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: California

A relatively new pollfrom the Public Policy Institute of California  has the primary at 43% Clinton, 28% Obama, 11% Edwards, 5% Kucinich, 11% undecided. Among latinos: 60% Clinton, 21% Obama.

by blueflorida 2008-01-27 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: California

Well, this poll and the results I heard pretty much correlate.

by kristoph 2008-01-27 08:03PM | 0 recs
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Going to see Obama today!

by crackityjones 2008-01-27 07:19PM | 0 recs
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have fun. so if obama is at 28% just before SC - what happens if edwards drops out?

Does anyone think Edwards will go to Obama's camp?

by Trey Rentz 2008-01-28 04:14AM | 0 recs
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Great post by Paul Rosenberg at OpenLeft... ryId=3458

by Steve M 2008-01-27 07:21PM | 0 recs
How much are you making off the chevron ads?

Chevron's not such a great company... I hope you're just milking them.  Unless killing Nigerians is just cool with MyDD :(.

by umcpgreg 2008-01-27 07:21PM | 0 recs
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I was pleased to learn that my dad, who is in my judgment a Republican-leaning independent, is probably going to vote for a Democrat this year. I was even more pleased to find that he was leaning towards supporting Obama in the primary.

Plus one for Obama in Orange County!

by fgvanzee 2008-01-27 07:27PM | 0 recs
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ALOT of People in my red state are voting for Obama / and they are almost always voting independent.

The single biggest reason he is winning over the independents and voters who were normally duped ... er.. I mean convined to vote for the rah.. rah... I can't bring myself to say it... the other guys..

is, at least from my straw poll - the solid fact that Obama has so many online donors and obama represents someone who is free from lobbyist money

whereas clinton is up to her eyeballs in lobbyist contributions. big difference between the two, for a republican. they are tired of getting their vote bought off by some corporate lobbyist. they want free market more than anything.

by Trey Rentz 2008-01-28 04:17AM | 0 recs
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Its a new day so I await two things which are guaranteed:

1) The sun will come up
2) There will be a diary from Susanhu about Rezko. It will probably get UPDATED.

by crackityjones 2008-01-27 07:29PM | 0 recs
ok, that was funny

I admit it.

You Obama people should welcome any airing of the Rezko story now, though. If he wins the nomination, he'll want to be able to waive it off as "old news."

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-27 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: ok, that was funny

Sure but susanhu has still passed by crusade and into obsessed at this point.

by JDF 2008-01-27 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: ok, that was funny

I hate to fuel the flames here but ...

1) Rezko was arrested this morning on a bond violation.

2) There is buzz that Rezko is willing to turn states evidence against a 'very prominent political figure' in conjunction with a guilty plea in exchange for a reduced sentence.

by kristoph 2008-01-28 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: ok, that was funny

One assumes that would be the Gov of Illinois.

by Steve M 2008-01-28 06:28AM | 0 recs
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Despite my support of Clinton, I gotta say your sig made me laugh.

by forecaster15 2008-01-27 08:38PM | 0 recs
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Is Jerome or somebody going to update the delegate counter now that we have South Carolina's results in? And is he going to fix the uncommitted delegates so that they say (w/MI)?

by Kal 2008-01-27 07:32PM | 0 recs
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No the delegate counter will only be updated to reflect Florida, Michigan and states where Hillary gets a majority of the delegates (however Obama delegates will not be included).

Delegates from other states will not be seated at all.

Jerome has consistently been clear on this.

by crackityjones 2008-01-27 08:16PM | 0 recs
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LOL! I wonder sometimes. :p

by Kal 2008-01-28 04:13AM | 0 recs
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I sent them in, I never configured to have backend access at home.... anyway, they'll be more uncommitted besides MI.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-28 04:02AM | 0 recs
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So are you going to have two different counts for uncommitted, including MI and not including MI, like you did for Clinton?

by Kal 2008-01-28 04:12AM | 0 recs
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I am curious if the superdelegates are going to go their own way or not. Are there any more superdelegate defections to Obama's camp?

Has there ever been a time in American history where the superdelegates ignored the popular vote and went their own way?

by Trey Rentz 2008-01-28 04:19AM | 0 recs
finally got around to changing my sig line

Months after it became clear that google-bombing Rudy was no longer necessary.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-27 07:45PM | 0 recs
just in case, here are some "Romneys"

"I saw my father march with Martin Luther King."  -- Romney's campaign later admitted that they didn't march on the same day, or in the same city

"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air." --- on strapping his dog to the top of the car

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard. One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

"You sit down with your attorneys and tell you what you have to do, but obviously the president of the United States has to do what's in the best interest of the United States against a potential threat." -- on whether he would consult Congress about invading Iran

"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." -- Romney's campaign later said he'd been hunting twice, once when he was 15, and once in 2006 at a Republican fundraiser

"I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will."

"Hugo Chavez has tried to steal an inspiring phrase 'Patria o muerte, venceremos.' It does not belong to him. It belongs to a free Cuba." --invoking a phrase that translates to "Fatherland or death, we shall overcome," which Fidel Castro has used to close his speeches for years, and which is associated with Cuban oppression

"Well, the question is kind of a non sequitur, if you will. And what I mean by that - or a null set." -- after being asked during a Republican debate whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq

"We should double Guantanamo!"

"I'm happy to learn that after I speak you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. That's a good thing. I think it's important to get the views of moderates." -- right before Coulter called John Edwards a "faggot"

"Oh, you've got some bling-bling here." -- admiring a kid's gold necklace

"Who let the dogs out, whoo whoo!" -- Romney's outreach to the AA community

by mboehm 2008-01-27 08:44PM | 0 recs
I thought about Romney

but I think he would lose badly anyway, so google-bombing him is not a priority.

I participated in the McCain google-bomb last spring, but I changed the sig line in the summer after it looked like he was out of it. I can't even remember which article I chose. It was something Chris Bowers had suggested.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-27 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought about Romney

Holy crap, have you seen McCain's latest?

At a campaign even in Florida today, John McCain made a pronouncement that might not go over too well with the general public, should he be the Republican nominee: "There will be other wars."

"And I gotta give you some straight talk, my friends. It's a tough war we're in. It's not gonna be over right away," McCain said. "There's gonna be other wars. I'm sorry to tell you, there's gonna be other wars. We will never surrender, but there will be other wars."

Need I remind you that I was the first to say McCain wouldn't actually be that rough.

by Steve M 2008-01-27 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought about Romney

independents hate how he became a boot licking toady to the bush republicans.

the last thing the GOP needs these days is to be headed up by evangelists.  its understandable enough that mccain thought it best to show that
he and bush were friends.

but in the end, the real independents are voting to change the status quo and the war is a sideline issue for them since it will be over in either administration

imho the independents will not ride the straight talk express. ++ however++  if clinton wins she will have a real problem in the general election because there are , like McCain a large percentage of people who will vote for an old dog than vote for her.

by Trey Rentz 2008-01-28 04:22AM | 0 recs
Elizabeth Edwards

Anyone notice the long absence from Elizabeth Edwards on the campaign trial? She wasn't present at John's concession speech last night, and I haven't seen her at events in a while. I hope she's doing okay.

by mecarr 2008-01-27 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Elizabeth Edwards

I think if there is one thing MyDD'ers can agree upon it is our collective hope for the good health of Elizabeth Edwards.

by kristoph 2008-01-27 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Elizabeth Edwards

I always worry about Elizabeth when we don't see her for a while.  Maybe it's just because John isn't getting the same attention as the frontrunners, but it's nice that the media isn't constantly buzzing over her whereabouts.  Just hope she's doing okay.

by Steve M 2008-01-27 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Elizabeth Edwards

yeah I was thinking about this yesterday. HOpe she's doing well.

by crackityjones 2008-01-27 08:17PM | 0 recs
I assume she is at home with the kids

They were all on the road a lot over the past year. I think Elizabeth was campaigning all-out in IA and NH, but now that Edwards looks like a longshot, they've decided that it's not crucial to have her out there campaigning.

I don't know how any of them keep up with the schedules they have. I could never do it.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-27 09:05PM | 0 recs
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I second what Kristoph said. My sleep is all out of whack. HRC wins, I can't sleep. Obama wins, I really can't sleep.

If it weren't for John McCain's stump speeches, I would never sleep.

by ND1979 2008-01-27 08:52PM | 0 recs
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My boyfriends conservative, military mother shocked the hell out of me the other day by saying she's going to vote for Clinton this election. Now, prior to this she was absolutely against Clinton and said she would NEVER vote for her due to the fact she stuck with Bill after the affair and what now. So I asked what the sudden turnaround was and she goes, "Well..I actually started listening to her ideas."

by werd2406 2008-01-27 11:57PM | 0 recs
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I heard the same thing from many New York Republicans in 2000 and 2006.

Indeed, she is the most hated women nobody knows anything about.

"Why are we supposed to hate Hillary Clinton again?"

by Kal 2008-01-28 04:15AM | 0 recs
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The only reason you should hate her is that all that campaigning for president will only get her to be the one who  ends up being obama's vice president.
by Trey Rentz 2008-01-28 04:23AM | 0 recs
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it wont be over on 2/5   no matter what happens........Obama is on the move...look for more big Demo name endorsements

by DemoDan 2008-01-28 01:37AM | 0 recs
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If you get sick of the one sided politics on Morning Joe and MSNBC and can't find anything else to watch (you don't have a lot of choice) just watch the program and when the commercials come switch over and catch the CNN commercials....  The sponsers might get word of this and put a stop to it..  What we need is a little sponser intervention...

by my nickle 2008-01-28 03:49AM | 0 recs
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watch this from TPM hA

the best

by aiko 2008-01-28 07:55AM | 0 recs
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When will we start seeing post-SC polls? Sometime today, I hope....

by forecaster15 2008-01-28 05:58AM | 0 recs
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Well Rasmussen has a poll up that that covered yesterday.

Clinton down 2, Obama unchanged, Edwards unchanged.

I don't think you'll see too many new polls until after Florida because everyone will be polling after .

by kristoph 2008-01-28 06:08AM | 0 recs
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Sorry it was Clinton down 1 not 2, and Obama and Edwards unchanged.

Note that only 1/4 of this is post SC so if you ignored the margin of error you could extrapolate a 4 point drop for Clinton but obviously this will change again after Florida (albeit not much).

Edwards is actually doing real well in the Rassmuseen polls at 17.

by kristoph 2008-01-28 06:21AM | 0 recs
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Had dinner with my family last night, and politics came up (of course) and i was very surprised by what happened.

For some context, lower/middle income Puerto Rican family. Parents "separated" but living together. Live in Lower Manhattan.

  1. Mom - Hated Hillary Clinton in the 90s (for staying with Bill), never voted for her (Senate campaigns). Came out in favor of Clinton for Feb 5th. Huge shock to me.
  2. Dad's union endorsed HRC, and dad asked me for a Hillary Clinton hat (back in June). Very enthusiastic.
  3. Sister (Nurse) - Not politically active, likes Clinton. Moved to New Rochelle (Westchester County)but hasnt changed registration, driving down Feb 5th to vote for HRC (Second shock).
  4. Sister's Fiance(e?) (Italian from LI, Teacher) - Supported Obama until last debate, didnt like his healthcare answer, and didnt like the Rezco bit saying he only worked for 5 hours.  Didnt like Hillary until started looking at her stances, but supported Obama still... Then after UFT endorsed Hillary was torn, says last debate changed his mind.
  5. Other Sister (Republican) - Absolutely hated Hillary for the last 15 years.  Now says "she's done so much and is really smart" - Voting for Obama but doesnt hate Hillary anymore. Doesnt like her, but doesnt hate her.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-28 06:42AM | 0 recs

There's the nail.  The Clintons are something to behold....

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-01-28 06:49AM | 0 recs

He was officially arrested on a bond violation due to some sort of financial transaction. This is apparently pretty rare.

However there is some buzz that the prosecutor is trying to accelerate a plea deal where Rezko will turn states evidence.

by kristoph 2008-01-28 07:00AM | 0 recs
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Hillary is making a HUGE mistake in breaking her no-FL campaign promise.  Even if she pads her lead there, it will be spun as a victory that means nothing (because it does mean nothing, so I guess it's not really even spin...), and, more importantly, it gives Obama a free pass to run his national ads that he got in trouble for without any repurcussions, which is what he wanted anyway.  Obama is behind nationally, and really needs to use the tools that will improve his standing everywhere and quickly, and Hillary is now giving him a free pass to do just that.

by NJIndependent 2008-01-28 06:49AM | 0 recs
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Actually Clinton is not campaigning in FL. She made that clear. She is going to be the only AFTER the polls close.

Obama, however, is campaigning in FL by running television advertising. In fairness though, he claims is doing it through a national ad campaign.

I can see your gung-ho about your candidate and that's good, but this is not the MSNBC comment board, so please try to be factual.

by kristoph 2008-01-28 06:56AM | 0 recs
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Please, spare me your hypocritial impartiality.

by NJIndependent 2008-01-28 07:42AM | 0 recs
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It baffles my mind how people can say 1 million votes means Nothing.

How soon people forget FL's role in 2000 (and Ohio's). Democrats can win FL. Ignoring FL as if it does not count, demonizing FL democrats for the actions of the REPUBLICAN legislature and Republican Governor, is absolutely the STUPIDEST thing anyone can do.

She is not campaigning in FL. She is show up AFTER the polls close. Her promise was to the first 4 states. All 4 of those states have voted already.

You should really understand what the "no-FL campaign promise" actually means before interjecting.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-28 07:05AM | 0 recs
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Waiting for an endorsement in the diaries...

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-28 07:10AM | 0 recs
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Ted Kennedy scolding Bill Clinton for taking a active part in Hillary's campaign and then turning and giving a roaring endorsement to Obama is the height of hypocrisy..  How is it better for him to take such an active lead and not Bill Clinton?   This whole race card thing was staged and played out to prefection..  Why the hell would Bill Clinton even want to go into predominately black state and play the race card? It doesn't pass the smell test...

by my nickle 2008-01-28 09:16AM | 0 recs


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