Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Romney 39 percent
McCain 30 percent
Huckabee 16 percent
Paul 6 percent
Thompson 4 percent
Giuliani 3 percent

Clinton 58 percent
Uncommitted 36 percent
Kucinich 4 percent

58% of precincts reporting (per CNN.com)

Update [2008-1-15 21:3:26 by Todd Beeton]:Wow, that was fast. NBC has called it for Romney. And the clusterfuck continues!

Update [2008-1-15 21:11:49 by Jerome Armstrong]: At above 60 percent, Clinton blows away the expectations in Michigan; with a majority of Democrats supporting her candidacy-- breaking the majority being a big psychological barrier/boost.

Also, within the memo that the Clinton campaign sent out today, responding to Obama's that MI & FL should be ignored by the media, the Clinton campaign confirmed that they intend to count the delegates from Michigan & Florida:

...the Obama campaign had no problems when its supporters and allies in Michigan ran radio ads and other campaign activities urging people to vote for "uncommitted" as a way to register their support for Senator Obama -- and to give him a chance to compete for those delegates at the national convention... Now, with polls in recent days showing that effort and their candidate running far behind in both states, the Obama campaign has shifted tactics to say that those who cast a vote in either state don't matter. We couldn't disagree more.
Update [2008-1-15 21:57:41 by Todd Beeton]:Clinton slips nelow 60% for the first time. Do I sense a late Uncommitted surge?

Update [2008-1-16 1:0:44 by Jerome Armstrong]: At 55% for Clinton, besting expectations, the soft count of delegates for Clinton is on TheGreenPapers.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Michigan primary (all tags)

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83 Comments

Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

This will give Romney a tiny bounce, maybe undetectable, but might encourage him to stay in all the way and try to play some kind of a "kingmaker" role at the RNC convention.

He's invested millions, and probably doesn't want to go to the convention empty-handed.

Who does this help?  Maybe nobody in the GOP field.  It might increase the likelihood of a brokered convention, though.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 03:46PM | 0 recs
Kingmaker?

Romney has done better than any other candidate so far, which is why he has earned more delegates than anyone so far. Two silvers and a gold (in the major primaries) is better than 1 silver, one gold and a finish behind Fred Thompson (McCain) and one gold and a bronze (Huckabee). The press has spun McCain's lackluster performance into momentum because they love him, but it remains to be seen whether the anti-mexican faction of the Republican Party will support someone who voted with the Dems on Immigration reform.

keith

by keith johnson 2008-01-15 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

If Hillary gets close to 60%, or more, she will get a bounce, a tiny bounce, but a bounce nonetheless, and she will have a bunch of delegates at the convention to lobby for her, even if they are not formally "seated."

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Apparently Not Clinton is winning among African Americans in Michigan:

According to the Fox exit polls, in the Democratic primary tonight, Clinton took 25% of the African-American vote and "uncommitted" is getting 69% of the African-American vote. Now remember, Hillary is only major candidate on the ballot.

Chris Bowers says:

If he can trounce Clinton among African-Americans without even being on the ballot, it seems that Obama has solidified African-Americans behind him nationwide. If, as Matt suggested yesterday, he can secure the white liberal vote, that would be a winning coalition in the Democratic primary nationwide. It would also be a repetition of his coalition in the Illinois Senate primary four years ago.

by Kal 2008-01-15 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

25% of us is enough for my girl!

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-01-15 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

The problem is that this coalition is about 40% of the vote or less nationwide. That statement is beyond clueless.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

What statement? Your statement implying that the African-American vote is worthless? I'd call that pretty clueless.

by Kal 2008-01-15 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

No, I'm saying that that combination is NOT a winning combination. It's the Jesse Jackson coaltion that isn't enough to win the primary.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I would counter by saying that Obama is a lot more popular among white voters than Jackson ever was. See Obama's victory in Iowa and his second place finish in New Hampshire.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

His demographics in NH showed that he appeals to college students and their professors. He got killed in working class towns and the rural areas by both Edwards and Clinton. I think in Manchester Hillary got something like 7 votes to Obama's 1.

DHinMI did a whole post on it at Kos if you want to look it up.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

You ignore Iowa. I believe that Iowa conclusively proves that Obama can win among white voters. And these are two states with virtually no minority voters. Imagine how well Obama can do once his "strong supporters" get to vote.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

IA was a caucus. Cling to that if you want to but when it comes down to people actually getting off their duff and voting, Obama didn't win in those categories. And the reason he even came close was because there are more of those types in NH than other states. Look at MI. He got blown away. Look at the FL numbers, he's getting blown away. Look at the CA numbers, he's getting blown away.

Apparently he tried to get people to vote for him in MI and his supporters did. There just apparently aren't enough of them in lots of states. I guess they are clustered.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Look at MI. He got blown away. Look at the FL numbers, he's getting blown away. Look at the CA numbers, he's getting blown away.

If you're seriously citing Michigan and primaries that haven't happened yet, you're really reaching.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I'm citing polls that show Obama getting blown away. And even the Obama camp is conceding FL before they've even had a primary.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Because, of course, possible victories in Nevada and South Carolina will have no impact on future primaries.

Like I said, you're reaching here.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

We have seen the major bounce Obama got out of Iowa (hint: in the end the bounce did not materialize) and I see no reason for NV and SC (if Obama were to win both) to completely turn around 20% polling in FL and other states.  It is just unrealistic.  More likely is that Obama and Edwards are already trying to assess what political damage they would cause (and whether the pros outweigh the cons) if they pull out of Florida completely at this late date.  

by georgep 2008-01-15 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I was in Iowa- Obama lives in the next state.  With the bad weather I couldn't get out for two days- Obama's people had no problem driving in their cars.  The Obama machine had their people living in apartments in the small towns for an entire year.  Mississippi and Iowa are the only two states to have never elected a woman to higher office- no congressmen, no senator and no governor- no surprise that Hillary Clinton didn't do well there.

by ExperienceCounts 2008-01-15 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

HRC might get enough of a boost this week to pull ahead in NV on Saturday.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I don't think he'll win GA. Jesse Jackson didn't win GA. Unless Edwards wins a primary, all his voters will go to Hillary giving her a boost. An Obama/Hillary contest here in GA would probably be about 60 Hillary and 40 Obama.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

So if women dislike racially-charged politics, how do you explain a majority of them voting for Clinton?

by Kal 2008-01-15 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I don't know if that's necessarily a primary redo...

I don't have the breakdowns, but I'm pretty sure that Obama got 27% downstate, which doesn't sound impressive until you remember it WAS a 7 way primary (with at least 4 quite viable candidates) -- especially for a Chicago based candidate.   Obama really worked the whole state hard in 2004.  

Keyes replacing Ryan turned it into a laugher, but I think even without the collapsing IL GOP, even without the party deciding to just kill off the Schafly wing -- I think it would have been a tough race for any opponent.

Don't get me wrong - Obama didn't win downstate, but I think virtually any IL poli-watcher would say he over-performed -- certainly in the primary, perhaps even in the general election (even after all things considered).

by zonk 2008-01-15 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

The IL senate race means nothing. His opponent imploded, Ryan pulled out and he ran against a joke who wasn't even from the state. How many Republicans just sat home on that one. IL wasn't going to go for Bush anyway.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I'm talking more about the primary than the GE.

I don't disagree that the GE was a joke (read the whole comment, fer the love of pete)... it was a calculated move by the IL GOP to kill off the wingnut wing by saying "here - we'll give you your nutjob.... now watch him lose by 30 points".

The primary WAS a tough race - every Dem with any dreams of higher office jumped in... Obama was a fairly distant 3rd.  Millionaire Blair Hull had some personal issues, but Dan Hynes was the favorite through most of 2003.

Obama wasn't the "default" winner of the primary -- he won the primary... I was a Hull backer at first -- if only because I didn't want the machinist -- Dan Hynes -- to win.

I met a bunch of Obama supporters via Dean meet-ups... they convinced me he had a chance... the rest was history.

by zonk 2008-01-15 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Didn't one of his opponents implode iirc sot that allowed Obama to win? I understand it was perhaps tough up until then.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Yes- Blair Hull.

He was the millionaire who dumped a ton of his own money into the race... He passed Dan Hynes in most polls in late fall - but then imploded when reports of spousal abuse came out.  His wife and whole family did back him up, however.

Hynes led most of the primary throughout 2003 (basically until Blair Hull began blanketing TV and radio).

Hull did end up winning about 7 counties... Hynes won more counties than Obama -- but Obama clobbered him in Chicago (home base for both). He didn't win downstate - but he certainly didn't get clobbered to the extent Hynes did in Chicago.  

by zonk 2008-01-15 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

You are right.  Nobody took Alan Keyes seriously, not even Republicans.  Then Keyes made some major, major mistakes during the campaign....

by georgep 2008-01-15 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

reading. comprehension. please.

by zonk 2008-01-15 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Let's go Uncommitted (on the Republican side)! Beat Guiliani for 6th place!

by Progressive America 2008-01-15 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Fox News? Obama has gotten 30-40 and Edwards around 15-20% in the first two states and they make a big deal about a 30-35% uncommitted vote?

by ND1979 2008-01-15 03:55PM | 0 recs
HIllary and Mitt neck and neck...

...Just looking at the vote count on CNN;

Hillary - 26,024

Mitt Romney - 26,192

by Andre Walker 2008-01-15 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: HIllary and Mitt neck and neck...

if it was contested among the candidates, turnout would be higher.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-15 03:59PM | 0 recs
Ron Paul beats Giuliani

Paul would seem to have earned the right to remain in the GOP debates as long as Giuliani is invited to do so.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 03:57PM | 0 recs
Huge Win For Clinton!

Wow.  Clinton rocked!

by BigBoyBlue 2008-01-15 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Huge Win For Clinton!

She did pretty well, beating the low expectations of 50% or thereabouts.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Olbermann calls it for Romney.

Atta boy, Kos!

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

NBC calls it for Romney! YEEEAH

by animated 2008-01-15 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Romney wins, Clinton picks up a ton of delegates.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-15 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Where does Clinton win delegates that will actually make a difference at the convention?

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

They will make a difference.  She's likely to end up with 70 delegates, and those 70 people will make a difference, regardless of what skeptics may think right now.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

How so? Please explain.

There are two outcomes:

1) The campaign goes to the convention, Obama is slightly ahead, and those delegates could swing the nomination to Clinton. The delegates from Michigan will not be seated.

2) The campaign is over long before the convention. Obama or Clinton are far ahead and have the nomination secured. The delegates from Michigan will be seated.

Anyone who sees any other outcome is not living in the reality-based world.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

If HRC is far enough ahead, the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated, and the convention will unify behind her more quickly, which will be beneficial to the party, and to all of us.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

So you agree with me that the Michigan delegates will never make a difference at the convention.

I'm glad you see my point.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

You can't be serious that 70 Democratic delegates from Michigan will be ignored at the convention.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

If counting those delegates would give Clinton the nomination over Obama, of course the DNC will stick by their ruling. Could you imagine the DNC denying Obama the nomination because they changed the rules again? Talk about screwing over the African-American voters!

The only way Michigan's delegates will be seated is if either Obama or Clinton have the nomination wrapped up before the convention. If they could make a difference, they won't be seated, as the DNC doesn't want to alienate their base by fixing the election.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

It looks good on paper.  Clinton overperformed previous estimates again, which will give her a small boost (even though MI does not count nominally at this point.)  That could be enough to put her over the top in NV.  Stupid, stupid move by Obama/Edwards.  

by georgep 2008-01-15 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I doubt this primary will give her any bump. I'll be shocked if there's any movement outside of the margin of error in Clinton's favor in the next few days.

If a primary happens, and there's no media coverage, then it didn't really happen.

by Kal 2008-01-15 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

But there IS media coverage.  Go to CNN.com, MSNBC.com, Foxnews, Realclearpolitics, etc.  I am sure the papers will carry the Democratic results as well.   The results are shown, and Clinton looks good.  It is not wall to wall coverage, but just the realization that Clinton won one will register more so whether delegates count or not.  I think she'll get a 2, 3% boost across the board from this, which could be enough to get her over the top in NV.

by georgep 2008-01-15 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

I've seen the delegate koolaid you've been touting-- dreamland.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-15 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Ditto

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Good news for the Democratic party. Still crossing my fingers that Romney will be the nominee.

by Korha 2008-01-15 04:07PM | 0 recs
Who will deny Michigan their ballots?

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-15 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Looks like as many Democrats came out to this as did for the GOP.  That is quite amazing.  I think Democrats are stoked.  The results so far also appear to be a thumbing of their noses at Edwards and Obama for pulling out of Michigan in a display of political calcule that is an insult to the voters of Michigan.  Rarely have I seen a display of such cowardice from major candidates (given that the "principle" explanation does not wash, as Obama and Edwards decided to remain on the Florida ballot.)   I would not be surprised  if this apparent Clinton validation in Michigan ends up giving her a bounce and makes the difference in Nevada for a win.    

by georgep 2008-01-15 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

True - it was a mistake for Obama and Edwards not to remain on the ballot.

by enthusiast 2008-01-15 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread

Democrats voted for McCain, not Romney, so don't pat yourselves on the back. Republicans elected Romney.

by RJEvans 2008-01-15 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS
Jerome,
Did the Obama campaign really send a directive to the media to tell them to ignore MI? If they did that's dumb. dumb. dumb.
by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Yea, FL too.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-15 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Looks like Obama still controls the media. I haven't really heard anything meaningful about the Democrats' (meaningless) primary in Michigan.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Haven't watched TV then have you? Everytime they announce MI results they include Clinton.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-15 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Whenever I've heard about Michigan, the Democrats have gotten MAYBE a sentence devoted to "Clinton won a primary with no delegates and no one else on the ballot." Not a whole lot of coverage. Compared to Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton's coverage is on page 28D.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election ... - WILLARD WINS

Okay folks... please remember:

As long as Obama's middle name keeps being brought up, it's "Willard," not "Mitt."

by tilthouse 2008-01-15 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Romney's now got 2 golds and 2 silvers. I don't see how he fades away now.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-15 04:30PM | 0 recs
Clinton "blows away expectations"?

Where did this come from? There were no expectations in MI. Seeing as how no one nationally is even paying attention to MI on the Democratic side, this is just more BS from Armstrong. Pathetic.

by Lawdawg 2008-01-15 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton "blows away expectations"?

Agreed. Anything to prop up Clinton and a worthless primary.

by Kal 2008-01-15 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton "blows away expectations"?

Kal, if MI is a throwaway for the Democrats, I'm wondering why you haunt a thread talking about a Primary that is of no consequence?

Okay.  MI is not important.  MSM is not talking about it.  So why continue to respond and refute every point?  It's not important, right?

by FilbertSF 2008-01-15 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton "blows away expectations"?

The primary's not important, but countering Jerome et al's propaganda is worth my time.

Jerome is hurting this blog with his constant detachment's from reality. I'm doing what I can to try to help MyDD.

by Kal 2008-01-15 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton "blows away expectations"?

I agree. I would have ignored this thread entirely but for Armstrong's ridiculous update. Clinton won a state that has been stripped of its delegates. Bid deal.

by Lawdawg 2008-01-15 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton "blows away expectations"?

You are not helping.  You appear to be trolling.  Why not say your piece one time, and if Jerome Armstrong is such a thorn in your hide (and object of a weird obsession) then why not just ignore his blog and go elsewhere?

by georgep 2008-01-15 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton "blows away expectations"?

Keep the flames to yourself, please.

I've been visiting this blog for years. I really like it here, especially the front-pagers and Breaking Blue. However, Jerome really taints this blog with his half-truths, poorly cited stories, and his weird obsession with Obama. I do what I can to help the blog be credible.

by Kal 2008-01-16 10:27AM | 0 recs
by Mike Connery 2008-01-15 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Lost YOuth Vote

Is that a surprise???

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-15 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Lost YOuth Vote

Actually yeah, considering she won the 25-29 vote in New Hampshire and turnout today was extremely depressed.

by Mike Connery 2008-01-15 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

I'm sorry but if 50% is the weak ass expectation of the Clinton campaign in this primary, yeah she beats those expectations.  But jesus christ she is the only one on the ballot besides Kucinich, Dodd and Uncommitted.  A top tier candidate should be getting at least two thirds of the vote with no one else running.  I'm amazed that over 40% of the Democratic primary voters said No to  Hillary.

by minvis 2008-01-15 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

you are delusional.

Those are Obama and Edwards supporters making a point... they are still on their candidates side.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-15 05:13PM | 0 recs
"Uncommitted" currently at 37%

That is the real story here. Over a third of Democratic voters braved bad weather and went into the booth to vote for "uncommitted" instead of Clinton.  That is remarkable. 3 out of 4 AAs who did so said they would have voted for Obama. Could "uncommitted" get to 40%?  

by Lawdawg 2008-01-15 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Uncommitted is an expression of the actual hard support of Obama and Edwards (and richardson, dodd, Biden etc). If HRC can get a Majority over all the rest, i'd say that is an accomplishment, also considering there wasnt a large GOTV effort in Michigan.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-15 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

With all do respect, it is quite different to go to the polls to vote for your candidate as opposed to taking the time to go to the polls to vote for "uncommitted."  My responses to this thread are mainly a reaction to Armstrong's silly assertion that this is some unexpected margin for Clinton.  Any of the three major Dems would have received a majority of the votes if running unopposed. The "uncommitted" vote is clearly a vote against Clinton. I am surprised it is as large as it is quite frankly.

by Lawdawg 2008-01-15 05:29PM | 0 recs
well to each their own

Why is it much different? This has been one of the greatest elections for democrats in the primaries in a LONG time.  Records are being broken all the time, and people are passionate about who they support.  Obama has pushed forward A LOT of people to get involved and speak their voice. People are going out to vote.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-15 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: well to each their own

We can agree to disagree. I agree that Democrats are energized.  I just think that with bad weather in MI today (or so I've heard) I think deciding to go to the polls to vote uncommitted is more an anti-Clinton vote than a pro-other candidate vote. I find it hard to believe that Edwards or Obama would not have received just as many or more votes than Clinton if running unopposed in MI.

by Lawdawg 2008-01-15 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: well to each their own

You obviously missed that there WAS a concerted effort (even radio ads) for the "uncommitted" vote to come out in force.  I see, frankly, no justification for your contention that any of the other candidates, running unopposed, would have had the exact same showing.  That seems like Kool-aided stuff.  Edwards had about 8%, 10% in every poll we have seen.  Yet, he would have pulled in 53%?  Seems impossible.  I guess you just want to make Clinton's showing look as bad as possible, which is your right, but when logic falls by the wayside in the process, it isn't necessarily a pretty pic.

by georgep 2008-01-15 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

My two cents:

The takeaway, if there is any (and I think there isn't) is what TPM pointed to:  the exit poll #s among AAs.  They went to the poll by a large margin to vote for literally no one rather than a Democratic front runner.

We can talk about it being a concerted effort by Edwards or Obama surrogates, but I'm sorry -- I don't see how 38% of the Dem. Party were led to the polls to vote "uncommitted" by the Edwards and Obama forces when neither had field personnel or $ devoted to the task of getting them to vote for no one.

It is about defining narrative at this point.  The HRC campaign can tout a victory over no one in particular, because that's all they can do.  Everyone else will point to this:  1)  to the extent delegates will come out of this farce, it will do so after the nomination process has been decided, and 2)  the exit polling.

58-37% in a low-turnout election in which few resources or attention were expended by anyone is not a victory or defeat or anything.  

Some I have heard on this forum appear to be put more effort in emphasizing this and FL in which no delegates are at stake and de-emphasizing NV and SC in which media focus and delegates are definitely at stake.  Because of the proportional representation system and the fact that the papers will print delegate counts of primary/caucuses sanctioned by the D party, I'd rather have delegates right now, thanks.

by ChrisR 2008-01-15 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Michigan Election Results Thread - ROMNEY WINS

Are you from Michigan?  Because I can assure you that every person who voted "uncommitted" knew exactly who they were voting for.

by Steve M 2008-01-15 06:22PM | 0 recs
CNN is showing 0 Delegates at stake Michigan

NYT says "to be decided" with no number even footnoted.

(Jerome disagrees, I know.)

Uncommitted will get 41% of the vote; Clinton 54%.

by commissar 2008-01-15 06:46PM | 0 recs
Any actual Michigan Democratic delegate counts?

In order for the Clinton campaign, Jerome, or the MyDD delegate tracker to count the Michigan delegates, the numbers have to be available. Can anyone find any media source that has delegate results out of tonights primary?

by msn1 2008-01-15 06:49PM | 0 recs

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