Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

I'm glad to see the Edwards campaign making a bigger effort to highlight the differences between him and his rivals. Here are videos contrasting him with Clinton and Obama on electability, trade, and lobbyists. (I'd like to see additional ads pointing out the Edwards is the only one of the leading candidate to reject nuclear power and the Bush's GWOT frame.) And a memo released yesterday articulated his argument against Obama and Clinton.

The lesson out of New Hampshire is that while the media have anointed two celebrity candidates, both are deeply flawed.  Senator Clinton, we've known for a long time, is plagued with questions over electablility and continues to defend the status quo in Washington. Senator Obama's weakness was revealed Tuesday night: voters want a fighter. If Obama was thrown-off by Clinton's attacks last week week, that's nothing compared to what Republicans will throw at the nominee this fall. If Obama is too weak to stand up to Republicans, and Clinton is too corporate to offer voters real change, Democrats will seek a nominee who not only stands for change but who actually shows some fight.

This is pretty good, as far as it goes. But it's general. One of the odd things about the Edwards campaign is that although he'd led on policy, although he's put out a truckload of bold, detailed proposals, he hasn't made a big effort to highlight the differences between his platform and those of Obama and Clinton. On the one hand, this makes sense: voters don't make decisions based on two points of a ten-point plan. But specifics are needed as evidence for the philosophical and strategic case he makes above.

What does it means that Clinton is too corporate? It means that she supports the Peru Free Trade agreement and other NAFTA-style trade pacts. What does it mean that Obama isn't a fighter? It means that as president he would leave Bush's tax cuts for the rich in place until 2011.

I'd like to focus on that last point, because it's an important, horrendous position of Obama's that's gotten little attention. Unlike Edwards (and I believe Clinton: I've seen conflicting reports) who would roll back Bush's tax cuts for the rich, Obama would let them expire (scroll to bottom).

The additional revenue needed to fund the up-front investments in technology and to help people who cannot afford health insurance is more than covered by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do.

The tax cuts for the rich were the centerpiece of Bush's regressive domestic agenda, but Obama wouldn't even move to roll them back. Why not? Does he buy the rightwing argument that a roll-back would hurt the economy? Does he fear the charge that he's a tax-raiser? Progressive minds wants to know.

What's worse, as you can see from the blockquote above, Obama would use the renevue from the expired tax cuts to fund his health care plan. The money wouldn't be available to 2011. Would he wait till then to push for health care reform? Or would he present a plan early, to be funded with money that's not yet available? Either way his moderation on tax policy would threaten the chance of health care reform. I'd love to see Edwards turn to Obama in tonight's debate and say:

Senator Obama, you say you represent change, yet you wouldn't even do anything to roll back Bush's tax breaks for the richest people in the country. What kind of change is that?

I don't think I'm the only Edwards supporter who's been frustrated by his decision not to aggressively challenge Obama. Edwards seems to genuinely prefer Obama and his reform message to Clinton and her corporate-sponsored New Liberalism. Fair enough. The only problem is that Obama is, as Paul Krugman says, less progressive than his rivals on domestic policy.

Edwards should by all means continue to critique Clinton for her indefensible defense of a broken system, but he should also critique Obama for positions that undercut his claim to bold change. On health care for example: Edwards should point out and keep pointing out that Obama doesn't have a plan for universal coverage. Obama has done a good job of clouding the issue by demonizing mandates, but the fact remains: his plan would leave millions of people uninsured. How to highlight this in the debate? Maybe like this:

Senator Obama, you say that under your health care plan, everyone would choose to get insurance. Yet all the health care policy experts say otherwise. They say some 15 million people wouldn't get insured under your plan. What evidence do you have that they experts are wrong?

Most voters around the country are just tuning in, and there's a chance to educate them. But if Edwards doesn't work to explain why he's more progressive than the other two, then people will buy the claim pushed by both the MSM and the sphere that the positions of the candidates are all the same. If people don't understand the differences between Edwards and his rivals, they'll vote for the celebrities.

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Why did Edwards "only" finish second in Iowa? Mike Lux--a Hillary admirer who predicted that Edwards would fade and maybe finish below Richardson--has an answer: he was too angry! In any early entry for worst "liberal" blog post of the year, he writes:

I think the problem has been that the anger is the only thing that voters were hearing. The lesson of the Edwards failure to me is that anger alone is not enough: that we have to combine the righteous anger we feel with telling people about the new ideas we have. Edwards had produced a bunch of great policy papers earlier in the campaign, but his core message in debates and advertising felt like it was all about the anger. If we can give people a sense of how we are going to change things and solve problems, and combine it with our anger at injustice, then we can win elections.

Never mind that he beat the most famous woman in the world.
Never mind that Obama spent more money on TV in Iowa than Mitt Romney.
Never mind that he by most accounts won the DMR debate by focusing on his "fighting" message.
Never mind that he rose in the polls as his populism sharpened.
Never mind that his surge was stopped by the DMR's self-fulfilling outlier poll, which vastly overestimated the number of independents who ended up voting.
Never mind that the populace is angrier than at any time in recent memory.
Never mind that a healthy majority thinks Big Business has too much power in Washington.
Never mind that the press virtually ignored him.
Never mind that his hardcore populism is just about the only thing that got him attention.
Never mind that he didn't do enough to distinguish himself from Obama.
Never mind that he was hurt by the haircut stories.
Never mind that he would have won in a cycle that didn't feature celebrity candidates.
Never mind that his opponents are skilled pols.
Never mind that Lux and others pushed the idea that public financing made him non-viable.
Never mind the only people who think Edwards is angry are political opponents and journalists.
Never mind that Lux is using an Obama-Dodd-GOP talking point against Edwards.
Never mind that Lux mistakes outrage for anger.
Never mind that by portraying Edwards as angry Lux is stigmatizing populism.
Never mind that it's long been a practice of the establishment to depict threats to the status quo as "emotional" or "unbalanced" or "angry."
Never mind that Edwards bombarded people with mail detailing his policy proposals.
Never mind that he talked about those proposals in the hundreds of speeches he gave.

No, the problem was that Edwards conveyed too much anger. Please read Lux's entire post and tell me if there's any way to conclude that he's not an establishment hack. And think about this post next time the MSM depicts a populist as angry.

Tags: Barack Obama, differences, Health care, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Lobbyists, Taxes, trade (all tags)

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36 Comments

Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

On the Lux stuff: I care less about Edwards than I do about progressive populism. I don't want to see his message stigmatized and demonized, least of all by ostensibly progressive bloggers.

by david mizner 2008-01-15 11:08AM | 0 recs
Who is this Lux?

He seems like another A-Lister who is just like the MSM.

We need a real progressive blogosphere.  These faux progressives make me want to puke.

They do not fool real activists.

by TomP 2008-01-15 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is this Lux?

Well people seem to take him seriously so I did.

by david mizner 2008-01-15 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

I wish our watchdog media was really there. A populist, anit-corporate candidate has emerged, ready to go to the mats for the middle-class, take on the hard issues of poverty and human dignity.

Instead of reporting on this fanfare for the common man, Edwards is described as "angry." Guess what? Americans are angry, too. Angry at our president in congress for their half-assed attempts to end this war. Angry at the president and congress for doing nothing to help make insurance affordable. Angry at the president and congress for being corrupt, elitist fatcats who won't return their calls and letters but happy to show up to fundraisers organized by Pharma and Big Oil.

The mainstream news media is forcing John Edwards out. Regardless of who you support in this primary, you should be "angry" about this, too.

by dannybauder 2008-01-15 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Yup, I suppose there are polls that could determine whether the public thinks Edwards is too angry. I know this: he had the best favorability ratings in Iowa.

He's the only candidate speaking to the hurt, sense of betrayal, and yes, anger of the public.

by david mizner 2008-01-15 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Edwards has a lot of good read meat to offer on his own; not just being Obama's wingman. He can't just go after Clinton like he did last time. He has a chance to really distinguish himself tonight by going after Hillary for negative campaigning and Obama for his conservative leaning domestic policy proposals. I hope the Nevada polls gives him the wind in his sails he needs to stand alone tonight.  

by alexmhogan 2008-01-15 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Right I've never really bough the "choice" between going after Clinton and Obama. He should criticize them both, and distinguish himself.

by david mizner 2008-01-15 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Probably Kucinich is gonna help out Obama by going after Edwards. Does the guy do anything as a candidate except show up for debates?

by david mizner 2008-01-15 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

"And think about this post next time the MSM depicts a populist as angry. "

For what it's worth, this post reads as an angry tirade from a person defending progressive populism.

Which is not to say that it's not an effective angry tirade.

by along 2008-01-15 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

I said Edwards doesn't come across as angry. Or purely angry.

I made no claims for myself!

by david mizner 2008-01-15 11:26AM | 0 recs
Good diary!

What I want to know is this.

How many supporters, of candidates other than Edwards, were "angry" and pissed because congress did not fight as strongly for We The People as they had hoped for?

Edwards is saying and doing what most on the blogs wanted congress to do.

by kevin22262 2008-01-15 11:28AM | 0 recs
Edwards isn't doing anything new

He has been running for President since late 2002.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-15 11:33AM | 0 recs
well

that still does not answer my question.

by kevin22262 2008-01-15 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

As an Edwards supporter, I respect Richardson and Dodd. I actually like Dodd a lot. He has some of that fight in him.

by kevin22262 2008-01-15 11:30AM | 0 recs
also...

I gave a little money to Dodd.

by kevin22262 2008-01-15 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Edwards has done a good job of differentiating himserlf from Clinton so far, but he has not yet made a case for why people should vote for him instead of Obama. Obama's domestic policies are the most right leaning of the three, as are Clinton's policies on foreign relations. I'd really like to see Edwards stand up for himself rather than for Obama like he did in the NH debate.

by devil 2008-01-15 11:30AM | 0 recs
Bingo! But it is too late.

Edwards should have done as you say over the summer, or fall at the latest.  He didn't.  The race has passed him by.  He is done after SC.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-15 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Bingo! But it is too late.

I think he still has a chance. The polls (i know...) show him quite close in NV. I don't think he's out yet. But if he is out, I'd choose Clinton over Obama, me thinks he's too soft for the republicans.

by devil 2008-01-15 11:41AM | 0 recs
If Edwards got the Culinary like he thought

Maybe.

But I would be surprised if Edwards finished close.  I suspect a 1-2 that may or may not be close.  But I think third will be a more distant third this time around.

I am not an expert, and I blew Iowa, where I predicted Edwards, Clinton, and Obama ( I thought we'd see a 140,000 to 150,000 turnout with fewer indies than some said), but I think the narrative is againt Edwards at this point.   People will be moving from him to Clinton or Obama because they hear and see a two person race.

Besides Edwards seems to be spending more time in SC.

If Edwards doesn't do well in NV that just makes SC tougher for him.  I don't see how he can pull the race out.  He can't spend on Feb 5 like Clinton or Edwards either.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-15 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Bingo! But it is too late.

"He is done". You say this so much. Why do you continue to post comments like this? You know nothing about what Edwards will do.

by kevin22262 2008-01-15 12:15PM | 0 recs
Edwards at the last debate

One of the oddest moments of the last debate was Edwards going after Hillary on Obama's behalf, in part, over healthcare.  Clinton's plan is a lot like Edwards' plan.  Obama is the one with the different, arguably more conservative, plan.  Why didn't Edwards defend his plan?

It seemed to me in NH that Edwards has completely abandoned his policy proposals - at least in his ads and at the debate - in favor of his "fighter" language and positioning himself as a "change" agent.  That's not going to get it done at this point, IMO.  

I thank Edwards for his policy contribution to the campaign, I just wish he'd fought harder for them and argued why they were better than the other candidates.  It seems a bit late to try to start that debate now, when Edwards is way behind in money.

by BDB 2008-01-15 11:32AM | 0 recs
Will he lick Obama's boots tonight?

That is Edwards problem.  He has settled into a back seat behind Obama.   Even in the debates it simply looks like John is carrying Barry Obama's bags.  He looks weak as he seems to jump to Obama's defense, or glam on to an Obama attack.

I have said since April.  If Edwards wanted to win he needed to take on and take down Obama first.   Edwards supporters said I nuts.

They thougth John and Barry would play nice, take out Clinton, and then sit down and decide who would be President and who would be vice President, and that John would have a fair shot at the top slot and John and Barry would walk off together arm in arm.

Of course that isn't how politics works.  It is a fight, a struggle, and the winner takes all.

Edwards let Obama get away from him.  Back when it was Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Edwards should have been gunning for Obama first and that number two slot.   If he had he may be where Obama is now, the co-leader in the race, and Obama may be in distant third.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-15 11:32AM | 0 recs
Kucinich: Not Much Respect Left

I think Kucinich has as much right as anyone to particpate, but his motives are real questionable. His 2nd round endorsement in Iowa -like in 2004 -- seemed to be more about hurting the strongest progressive candidate in the field than anything else. What's the guy trying to do? I'd imagine he's going to spend nearly all his time going after Edwards this evening.

by alexmhogan 2008-01-15 11:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Great point on the health care funding thing.  He puts it off until nearly the end of his term.

If Lux thinks Edwards is angry, he should terrified of Mizner.

by MassEyesandEars 2008-01-15 11:40AM | 0 recs
it's ludicrous to claim

Edwards didn't win Iowa because he was too angry. He basically doubled his number of supporters from 2004. It wasn't enough because Obama pulled in even more new caucus-goers.

I have a diary in my head about why Edwards did not win Iowa. I may write it in a few weeks or a few months. I can tell you that being too angry did not enter into the equation.

The so-called angry Edwards was just a media invention, like angry, unstable Gore and angry, unstable Dean.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-15 12:03PM | 0 recs
Why so angry? Seek wisdom from Wellstone

The late great Minnesota senator Paul Wellstone used to close many of his speeches with a story about an abolitionist in the 1840s who was famous in his day for delivering passionate and "heated" speeches condemning slavery...One day the man was asked why his speeches were so full of "fire" and "passion" and "anger." ---- The abolitionist replied: "because I have mountains of ice before me to melt."  ----- WELLSTONE knew the challenge that progressives faced in taking on the entrenched corporate interests that continues to leave millions uninsured 15 years after the futile Hillarycare fiasco ... WELLSTONE also spoke strongly (some may say with "heated" rhetoric) about the abuses of corporate Democrats since 1993 when CLINTON INC. betrayed the core values of the Democratic Party and crossed the aisle to join with the Gingrich Republicans to ramrod passage of NAFTA (the mother of treacherous worker and enviro-unfriendly trade deals to follow)....HANG TOUGH EDWARDS---Your MISSION should you choose to accept it is to RE-CLAIM the DEMOCRATIC WING of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY ---- Hillary CLINTON is a corporate SHE-WOLF in poll-tested triangulating sheep's clothing ---- Dare to look behind the curtain AMERICA --- do not be fooled by the crocodile tears of the poll-tested ever-calculating CLINTON ---- TURDBLOSSOM ROVE and other "smoke blowers" and "spectacle creators" will continue to paint Clinton's followers as core Democrats and Obama as "wine-sipping intellectuals ----

     Senator EDWARDS needs to turn up the heat on corporate abuses --- offshore Cayman Island tax shelters; Blackwater; Enron; subprime mess; compile a laundry list of GOOD and BAD ----

     Corporations are not evil ---- but certain systematic effort to crush unions and deny workers justice and equality is.   Certainly the behavior of a COSTCO is preferable to the behavior of a WALMART ---- DIVIDE the corporations into "responsible" and "reckless" ---- the war is on reckless, people-exploiting, profiteering types not a blanket indictment of all---

     Argue along "moral" lines Senator Edwards...not just the "profit/greed" meme --- if you just rail about the financial hit that Americans suffer as their jobs are eliminated and wages are depressed by corporate greed you fail to factor in what's driving all these amoral corporations driving the Race to the Bottom: many of the countries "sucking up" jobs in AMERICA and shipping abroad are turning a blind eye to the exploitation of workers...crap wages...poor conditions...lax regulations...pollution of the environment...In China and Mexico and South America and Jordan and Peru and elsewhere .... STAND UP --- PEOPLE before PROFITS ---- It is time for a new age of MUCKRAKING ---- Crackdown on these abuses --- The time is ripe for reform...

    Your MISSION is not IMPOSSIBLE Edwards --- Bonus points if you can tie in the push by GATES and others to import H1B visa workers and further depress wages and talent in America ... Blue collar workers are not the only ones in the corporate crosshairs.  Heavy-in-debt college grads are vulnerable too...I challenge EDWARDS to DARE to touch speak beyond the groupthink issue-avoidance MANTRA that is the Democratic Party's current posturing and positioning on illegal immigration...

      As Truman once said: "Give'em the TRUTH" --- they'll just think it's "hell" ----

by Progressive Populist 2008-01-15 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

David Mizner: But if Edwards doesn't work to explain why he's more progressive than the other two, then people will buy the claim pushed by both the MSM and the sphere that the positions of the candidates are all the same.

Sorry, it's true, it really is. If any of the three gets even half of what they're promising accomplished, this whole country is going to be completely transformed. I don't think there's some conspiracy keeping Edwards down; the fact is that he's gone pretty much as far as his message is going to take him. Obama and Clinton are both heavyweights, and they've both appropriated Edwards' policies and a large portion of his rhetoric. That's good because it means Edwards has been a progressive and populist force driving the race leftward. But the upshot is that the substantive policy differences between the top three candidates are extremely miniscule in almost every area. Yes, they really are. I think the central question to voters then becomes, who's best quipped to deliver on those shared policies? To use the frame from the last debate, what's the most effective way to deliver change? And in that debate all Edwards has is... what? Clinton can make a specific case for her experience bringing change, and Obama can make a specific case for his ability to bring people together around a common purpose. Edwards would have his populism, except Obama and Clinton aren't ceding that ground to him--they all claim they'll fight for change.  

Edwards hasn't been too angry, I think. It's probably what's taken him as far as he has gone. Populism is popular. But fundamentally I don't think the rationale and the narrative for his candidacy is as compelling as those for his opponents. And that's why he's in a rightful thrid place right now.

by Korha 2008-01-15 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Hunh? It's true that the "positions of the candidates are all the same?"

That's demonstrably not true. They're not enormous, the differences--after all, E, O, and C are all mainstream candidates pushing mainstream ideas--but the differences between Edwards and his rivals are larger than the differences between, say, Gore and Bradley. Or Dean and Kerry.

But as I can see why that you, an Obama supporter, would want to deny that the differences exist.

by david mizner 2008-01-15 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

Okay, basically the same. As I recall Bradley put out a much more ambitious domestic agenda than Gore, including a universal health care plan. And the Iraq issue between Dean and Kerry? There's much more. You can't find anything nearly as dramatic between Edwards, Obama, or Clinton. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...  

Oh yeah, since we're attacking each other's integrity, I can see why that you, as an Edwards support, would want to exaggerate the differences that exist. Edwards and Clinton want to repeal the Bush tax cuts on the rich, Obama merely wants to let them expire at a slightly later date? This is your big issue of differentiation? Look, I'll grant you that Obama leans consistently to the right of the two others on domestic policy. Fine, fair criticism. But--possibly with the exception of the individual health care mandate, though maybe not there either--it's clearly a minuscule lean. On health care, for example, someone like Paul Krugman basically feels the Obama plan is fine but what he really doesn't like is how Obama is using so-called right-wing frames to attack the idea of the mandate. But rhetoric and policy are two very different things.

I think the core issue here is what I said before: we all want the same things, but who can best deliver on actually implementing those things? Edwards needs to make a specific case that he is the best, and I guess has been trying to make that case. I just don't buy it. The guy's actual record serving in government is very mediocre.      

by Korha 2008-01-15 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

I am an Edwards guy.....but....he is dead wrong on Nuclear Power....we need it and we need it now

by adbct 2008-01-15 12:43PM | 0 recs
most of my environmentalist friends

disagree with you.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-15 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

I'll refer you to what Al Gore said:

Q: Let's turn briefly to some proposed solutions. Nuclear power is making a big resurgence now, rebranded as a solution to climate change. What do you think?

A: I doubt nuclear power will play a much larger role than it does now.

Q: Won't, or shouldn't?

A: Won't. There are serious problems that have to be solved, and they are not limited to the long-term waste-storage issue and the vulnerability-to-terrorist-attack issue. Let's assume for the sake of argument that both of those problems can be solved.

We still have other issues. For eight years in the White House, every weapons-proliferation problem we dealt with was connected to a civilian reactor program. And if we ever got to the point where we wanted to use nuclear reactors to back out a lot of coal -- which is the real issue: coal -- then we'd have to put them in so many places we'd run that proliferation risk right off the reasonability scale. And we'd run short of uranium, unless they went to a breeder cycle or something like it, which would increase the risk of weapons-grade material being available.

When energy prices go up, the difficulty of projecting demand also goes up -- uncertainty goes up. So utility executives naturally want to place their bets for future generating capacity on smaller increments that are available more quickly, to give themselves flexibility. Nuclear reactors are the biggest increments, that cost the most money, and take the most time to build.

In any case, if they can design a new generation [of reactors] that's manifestly safer, more flexible, etc., it may play some role, but I don't think it will play a big role.

Now, Gore assumed away two pretty big concerns in that answer.  But setting that aside, the rest of what he said is worth thinking about.

by Steve M 2008-01-15 01:08PM | 0 recs
For whatever reason

Edwards' message is not resonating with lower income and working voters.  He came in 3rd in NH among union voters.  He also did not win the "angry" voters.  Clinton won both those groups.  

Some of it may be the media, but I don't think that's all it is.  Voters who like him, really like him, but there are large groups of people  who are the target of his message that he is simply not connecting with.  I'm not entirely sure why.  Maybe it's something about him.  Maybe it's something about his campaign.

I know sometimes I really like him and am moved by him, and other times there's something about him that totally turns me off.  My emotional reaction to him is weirdly inconsistent.

by BDB 2008-01-15 01:16PM | 0 recs
he seemed to do better in middle-income areas

He definitely trailed among upper-income voters, which is not surprising, because the system basically works for them, and the feel-good Obama rhetoric is appealing.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-15 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: For whatever reason

I have a suspicion that lack of media hurts more with lower-income folks who don't tend to follow politics as closely.  Kind of ironic, I guess.

by Steve M 2008-01-15 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Differentiates + Lux Obfuscates

There are real differences between Edwards and Hillary/Barack and he should nail that this evening in a town filled to the brim with union members.
I have no idea why he gave Barack a pass last week. Edward is wicked smart but he's not perfect.  But he's pretty darn close, so let's see where his adept trial lawyer mind is going.

Nelson Parry  on the new Sirius Left Dave Marsh Show said Hillary was financed by the arms industry  and Barack was "slipping into their clutches . He said Obama represented a "certain strata" of folks, not black people in general.

Edwards is the people's candidate. It is clear that he understands that nothing will change here or in the rest of the world with corporations in charge.
I don't want some insurance company deciding whether I live or die.  

by Feral Cat 2008-01-15 01:16PM | 0 recs

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