Daschle taking on Clinton

Tom Daschle, hitting back against Clinton on behalf of Obama (CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer")-- in the extended entry. It's odd, because just reading through this, you'd get the sense that Clinton is the underdog, and Obama the favorite, which isn't the case (at least from it looks like for the upcoming contests). I can't help but wonder, given what Daschle is saying about his being aligned with the "Ben-Gay Forum" that met recently in Oklahoma, on what that means for the general election, if Clinton were to be the nominee and Bloomberg also a candidate.

BLITZER: Let's talk about Hillary Clinton. She says the Obama campaign, the campaign you're supporting, is distorting what she and her husband, the former president, have been saying.

She went on "Meet the Press," just a while ago and said, among other things, this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, D-N.Y.: In my campaign, any time anybody has said anything that I thought was out of bounds, they're gone, you know. I have gotten rid of them. I have said, that is not appropriate in this campaign.

You know, when Senator Obama's chief strategist accuses me of playing a role in Benazir Bhutto's assassination, there's silence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: She was referring to David Axelrod, who made comments that the Clinton campaign interpreted along those lines. What do you say?

DASCHLE: Well, this is not something that Barack Obama is going to participate in, Wolf. We've seen too much divisiveness, so much of this back-biting.

This is what the American people are tired of. They don't want to see this kind of thing. They want to move on. They want to have our candidates talk about the major issues, not the back-biting kind of thing that you've just seen again today.

BLITZER: Well, this morning...

DASCHLE: So I think that's really what Barack wants to do. He wants to talk about the issues the American people care bout, not who said what in the last round of give-and-take by the candidates.

BLITZER: This morning, in a conference call with reporters, though, he was pretty critical of Senator Clinton, especially her latest comments on "Meet the Press" today.

What we saw this morning -- I'm paraphrasing -- is why the American people are tired of Washington politicians and the games they play.

He was referring to some comments she made about Martin Luther King and his role in the civil rights movement, as opposed to LBJ. You're familiar with all of that.

So it looks like they're getting, a little, back and forth between the two of them.

DASCHLE: But see, that's exactly what Barack has been trying to say from the very beginning, Barack -- Wolf -- that it's really time for us to start putting the focus on issues that the American people care most about.

They care about the economy. They want to see what the candidates are saying about the economy. They care deeply about health care. They want to see what we're going to do about health care and climate change, and all the issues that really affect them directly.

They don't really care about who said what in the last round. And that's what Barack said this morning.

BLITZER: You sound like one of those moderate Democrats and Republicans who met in Oklahoma recently, who want to see the Left and the Right basically move closer together.

DASCHLE: Exactly.

BLITZER: That's where you are, personally, I take it?

DASCHLE: Well, it's not only where I am personally. But I think it's where the American people are. It's where Barack is. It's why Barack is drawing so much support from independent and Republicans across the country. It's why Republicans say, for the first time, you know, I think I can work for that guy -- or work with that guy, because they don't feel as if he's representing the old Washington politics of the past.

This is the politics of the future, and he reflects it.

BLITZER: And she says he hasn't been really honest, if you will, or above board, with the American people, when it comes to his position on Iraq, which is an important issue, the war in Iraq in this campaign.

BLITZER: I'll play another clip of what she said today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: If he was again the war in 2002, he should have strongly spoke out in 2004. He should have followed what he said in his speech, which was that he would not vote for funding in '05, '06 and '07. That is inconsistent with what he is now running his campaign on. The story of his campaign is premised on that speech.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: All right.

DASCHLE: To borrow a phrase, there they go again. I mean, that is exactly the kind of thing that the American people are so tired of. If there's anything Barack has been clear, straightforward and very, very courageous on, it's Iraq, going all the way back to the very beginning.

I wish I had the record on rhetoric and on position that Barack Obama has today. This is the kind of thing...

BLITZER: You voted in favor of that resolution.

DASCHLE: I voted in favor of it. I regret it today. I wish I could have that vote back. But I'm telling you, no one has been more clear, more forceful, more straightforward on the issue of Iraq, but this is the kind of thing you expect. And this is the old Washington politics that, as I said, the American people are very tired of.

BLITZER: But she says and the former president Bill Clinton, who I know you admire a great deal, he said it earlier in New Hampshire as well, that he hasn't been consistent. He did have a position before the war against the war, but once he became a United States senator from Illinois, that position seemed to change. Listen to the former president.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution. You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war. And you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004. And there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since.

Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I've ever seen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: All right. You know, he went on radio shows later to elaborate, to explain. But that's basically -- he's not deviating from that position that Barack Obama has not been consistent on the war in Iraq.

DASCHLE: Well, I think President Clinton would like to take a lot of those words back.

BLITZER: Why?

DASCHLE: Well, because I think he regrets them now, that's why. Because it's not in keeping with what people expect of President Clinton, frankly. This is below him. This is beneath him.

BLITZER: But tell us why. If he's trying to differentiate and keep him honest on his position on Iraq, what's wrong with that?

DASCHLE: There's nothing wrong with keeping politicians honest, Wolf, but it's another thing to distort the rhetoric. Those quotes were taken totally out of context. If you look at the entire context from what Barack said, again there is no question he has been as clear as anybody in this race with regard to his position on Iraq all the way back to the very beginning.

So, you can take things out of context, you can take clips, but it isn't going to change the position. The position is, he had the good judgment, he had the ability to forcefully articulate that position all the way through this, and it's one of the reasons I'm supporting it....

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40 Comments

Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

I respect Daschle, but he was not at his best here.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-13 11:33AM | 0 recs
LOBBYIST Tom Daschle

is the Mr. in the biggest LOBBYIST couple in Washington DC history and the man who's staff - when he was beaten - became Obama staff.

But of course, Obama doesnt listen to lobbyists...

hey - wait  minute!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-13 11:37AM | 0 recs
Dash-Hole is a PRIME example

He practicedc surrender politics.  HE caved to Bush in 2002.  Caved on taxes, caved on everything.  He even gave Bush a big hug and used the video in his campaign ads.

The Republicans broke with tradition sent Frist into his state to campaign against him, and cut him to pieces and left him among the political dead.  

Tom still hasn't learned.  He still wants to move "closer" to Republicans.  

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-13 11:38AM | 0 recs
Not going to happen, but

Boy, would I love to see HRC win South Carolina primary. That might make Obama and his surrogates think again about the line of attack they are taking.

by Coral 2008-01-13 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Not going to happen, but

Yep, you're right one one thing...not going to happen.

by nafamabo 2008-01-13 12:13PM | 0 recs
Bill tried to sabatoge Kerry during the primaries.

He thought--get this--a southern centrist like John Edwards had a better shot in the general.

by nerdoff 2008-01-13 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton


Geez.  This is the Daschle & Co. that people voted out in 2002 and 2004.  Interesting how he ducked about Axelrod.

He's not a bad person, but really has no sense of the political phase we're in and timing, that's what I take away from it.

by killjoy 2008-01-13 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton
Tim Johnson won in 2002 (a very tough political climate for Democrats)because of Tom Daschle's organization. To say Daschle lost in 2002 is ludicrous.
by Rare Sense 2008-01-13 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

Incumbent Sen. Tim Johnson won in 2002 by a 524 vote margin. In June of 2004 Democrat Stephanie Herseth won the special election for the open at-large South Dakota House seat and was re-elected that November with 53% of the state's vote. Meanwhile Tom Daschle, the sitting Senate Majority Leader, lost his seat in 2004.

That's some machine Daschle had there and some strategy he masterminded as Majority Leader. For years Daschle was the poster child for Democratic political weakness on the Hill. And, as Seymour Glass mentioned elsewhere, all the while his wife was cashing in as a lobbyist. I think we all have a pretty good idea the kind of political climate with which Daschle is most comfortable.

by CMike 2008-01-13 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton


Daschle lost the Senate majority he had in 2002, and he lost his own seat in 2004.

That is refutation.

by killjoy 2008-01-13 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

You're right.

by CMike 2008-01-13 07:43PM | 0 recs
You just described Hillary's senate career

perfectly.

by nerdoff 2008-01-13 11:56AM | 0 recs
Iraqi Blood

drips from Hillary stumpy fingers. She certainly met the Republicans in the middle on that vote, didn't she?

by nerdoff 2008-01-13 08:15PM | 0 recs
Hillary was against the war

but voted for it anyway. Unforgiveable--for any real liberal.

by nerdoff 2008-01-13 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was against the war

No, you're confusing Left with liberal.
by killjoy 2008-01-13 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

Hillary loves war. She will keep us in iraq for 100 years... mccain will be a better president.

by hawkjt 2008-01-13 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

What a shame, but not surprising. Will Daschle ever learn that Repugs hate DEMS and want to destroy us not work with us. Obama can have his tired ass. I'll take the Wilsons and Wesley over him any day.

by lonnette33 2008-01-13 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

daschle helped bush to bring the country together after 9/11. All that hugging and kissing sickened me. They really created a"one America" a bush one America. Dascle and Kerry were losers who did nothing good for the party

by maxstar 2008-01-13 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

You got that right, save for the fact that you inserted the name "Obama", where "Hillary" actually belongs.

by Dmitri in San Diego 2008-01-13 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

Good luck supporting the Karl Rove wing of the Democratic Party.

by Dmitri in San Diego 2008-01-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

You're speaking of Obama, of course, because he, like George Bush,Jr., is also "world leader pretend."

I found out today about Obama's work, or LACK thereof, on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Subcommittee on European Affirs. Given the disrepair of our diplomatic relations with Europe, you'd think Obama would put some of that hope, and friendship, and sparkling fresh change to work, and repair the damage of the Bush administration. He did nothing, not even to pad his resume for this Presidential run.

Like Bush, is Obama lazy,  too?

from Salon.com:

Doubts about Barack Obama's presidential credentials have crystallized during the past two weeks over his stewardship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs, which has convened no policy hearings since he took over as its chairman last January.

by Marsha1 2008-01-13 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

You really have a talent for offensive remarks.  No wonder you like Clinton and the Clintons negative style.

by upper left 2008-01-13 03:45PM | 0 recs
the dem bashing

is getting old with the Hillary spinsters. It's amazing that every dem that endorses Obama becomes an instant demon.  Just proves that point that it is all about Hillary. The party can go to hell.

by JoeCoaster 2008-01-13 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: the dem bashing

The Party went to hell under Daschle's leadership, as I recall. The 2002 elections were the year of the Democrats' fabulous "Me Too!" narrative. Unsurprisingly, we suffered a devastating loss.

If Tom Daschle wants to snipe at Hillary and Bill, I wish him luck. But he really has very little credibility now in 2008 in our effort to regain some of the ground he ceded in 2001 and 2002.

by bowiegeek 2008-01-13 12:39PM | 0 recs
I don't get

Hillary and Daschle both supported the War--initial, pretty full throatedly.  Bill Clinton and his surrogates were even worse.  What's the difference between Daschle and Hillary other than that Daschle actually believed what he was saying and Hillary cynically voted for the resolution so she'd be better positioned for the general in '08?  

Please, dear God, not four more year of these guys and their soap operas

by descrates 2008-01-13 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't get

I'm sorry you're so cynical that you actually believe that.

by bowiegeek 2008-01-13 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: the dem bashing

THey Don't Care about the party.  They cannot have a civil conversation on the issues.  This is how the Clintons have run their campaign, and the mentality of their bloggers.

by CardBoard 2008-01-13 12:52PM | 0 recs
oh right, i remember now how decent

the obama cult was to bob kerry when he endorsed hllary.

and all the vermin said he was talking in racist "code"

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-13 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: the dem bashing

I was a deaniac, partially because I wanted more partisanship. I sent kerry $2,000 for the general election. He wasted it talking about himself ran a terrible campaign and saved a lot for a future run

by maxstar 2008-01-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

I don't know about "spadework."  But it is obvious that the Clintons have started playing racial games here.  For an entire year Obama refused to do anything other than say "Black kids may think a little different about themselves if I'm elected President."  He has never said being Black is a change.  Or, suggested others are attacking him because of his race.

Hillary, on the other hand, Has played up Gender over and over again.  From the "Boys" ganging up on her.  The last debate where she said "being a women is a pretty big change." Last week "No women is an immigrant."  Should I continue?  

Regardless of who you are supporting.  I think some props are owed to Obama for really not getting into a tick-for-tat on race.  Or deviding people simply on the gender or skin color they are born with.  I'm sad to see the Clinton campaign has strategically forced him to comment, by creating a groundswell of blowback in the Black Community.  It is Black Radio, not the Obama campaign, that really pushed back on Bill Clinton's Fairy Tell and the drug-use comments by her NH Chair.  In fact, even then, Obama reserved Comment.

by CardBoard 2008-01-13 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

It is only an issue, because the Clinton campaign made the comments to begin with.  She is winning.  She should talk about her own record.  There is no reason to lie and devide by attacking Obama.  There is no reason to base a campaign around gender.  Obama has been very careful to respect Black Voter's choice.  And I respect that a lot.  Hillary cannot say the same about women.

by CardBoard 2008-01-13 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

So the Clinton campaign called Michelle and Barack liars? Bill and Hillary Clinton have a long track record of lying.  Just see the 90s.

So the Clinton campaign had their spokesperson's roommate produce a video alleging that Obama is a fascist and then denied knowing anything about it?  This Person Lost there job.  Was not part of the campaign.

So the Clinton campaign released a memo calling Obama (D-punjab)? Obama called this his campaigns biggest mistake.  He fired the responsable parties.  It was a mistake.  So was voting for the war.  At least he admits his.

So the Clinton campaign sent out a 50k mailer advising Illinois residents that it's easy to caucus in Iowa? Students are allowed to vote.

" This all Obama's fault. Had that punk never entered the race, we wouldn't have this shit being slung everywhere."   And here is the entire problem with the Clintons.  Obama has the right to run if he wants to.  I know you probably don't like us getting uppity...

by CardBoard 2008-01-13 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

So both Daschle and Obama are part of the Bloomberg Unity school? Why does Bartcop's image of Daschle and Lieberman in punk tutus keep playing in my head?

And would it be inappropriate to point out that Daschle was perhaps the least effective Dem Senate minority leader in modern history?

Daschle, like Obama, is a genuinely well intentioned man who does not have the first clue how bad the other side is. This is as uncomfortable as watching an episode on battered wife syndrome on Oprah or The View.

by Pacific John 2008-01-13 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

Just how far is this 200 year old plus tradition of democracy going to bend to accommodate an Obama presidential campaign and possible presidency?  His legion of surrogates and sympathizers keep on telling us what we can and cannot say, feel or think out loud about Obama:

DASCHLE: Well, I think President Clinton would like to take a lot of those words back.

BLITZER: Why?

DASCHLE: Well, because I think he regrets them now, that's why. Because it's not in keeping with what people expect of President Clinton, frankly. This is below him. This is beneath him.

BLITZER: But tell us why. If he's trying to differentiate and keep him honest on his position on Iraq, what's wrong with that?

Even Blitzer is baffled by this one. Essentially Daschle is implying that it is very bad manners for president Clinton to critique Obama. Just not cricket eh? Jolly bad form.

Again:

MS. DONNA BRAZILE: For him to go after Obama, using a fairy tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.... I think for Bill Clinton to go out of his way to become a distraction to Hillary Clinton and to launch the kind of attack on Obama is just out of character for Bill Clinton.

I'm sorry, Donna that you don't like Bill Clinton using the word fairy tale, but part of democratic political discourse is you get to answer back and he gets to make an argument. You don't like it fight back, argue back with facts and words. And this tone thing. What is the appropriate tone to address/critique Obama? Hushed reverance?  Cloying admiration? Would that do it for you as a form of political discourse in this rambunctious democracy? Please tell me what is the appropriate tone to address Obama?

Congressman Clyburn: "We have to be very, very careful about how we speak about that era in American politics. ... That bothered me a great deal."

No, Mr. Clyburn the history of the civil rights era is not the koran, i.e. the literal word of God. History is to be debated, turned inside out, examined, its part of this nation's 200 year old plus intellectual tradition. I think you'll find Mr. Clyburn that great events and great leaders withstand scrutiny and the test of time just beautifully without censorship. Many books and FBI files later Mr. King is right up there with George Washington and Jefferson in the pantheon of advancing America so just stop trying to censor us all to silence.

Is there an etiquette book for addressing a would be President Obama that I'm missing? Even the Queen of England does not get this degree of reverence anymore and God knows Buckingham Palace has tried to insist Brits curtsey, walk backwards, don't talk to the Queen unless she talks to you first. Wait! That last rule may just be the thing for Obama. That would certainly shut Bill Clinton up wouldn't it? Democracy be damned we have a uniter to elect.

by superetendar 2008-01-13 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

More whine from the wine-and-cheese democrates. Good thing that they are 0 for 43 in presidential elections. Endorsements from Kerry, Bradley and now Daschle is the clearest example of why Obama is going to lose. Instead of saying, "OK, Hillary, I won the hope and change battle and now I am going to do the same on policy." He didn't do that because he can't.

by ND1979 2008-01-13 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

Endorsements from Kerry, Bradley and now Daschle is the clearest example of why Obama is going to lose.

And what do the Mondale/Ferraro endorsements mean for Hillary?

by Will Graham 2008-01-13 04:23PM | 0 recs
Obama wrote a bigger check to DashHell

We thought old Tom was a miserable wimp of leader until we had Reid. Can we finally have a real dem as Senate Leader?

Russ Feingold?
Barbara Boxer?
even Chris Dodd would do.

Is anyone with me on this?

by demwords 2008-01-13 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama wrote a bigger check to DashHell
When will we geet a real Dem to be Senate leader?
Probably never, since a) you don't picke the Senate Democratic leader, Democratsin the Senate do, adn b) if you get Feingold, Boxer or Dodd, you'll be calling them wimps 10 minutes after they take over anyway.
by spirowasright 2008-01-13 03:35PM | 0 recs
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by estabrooks 2008-01-13 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Daschle taking on Clinton

Obviously the Obama campaign is hunting for anything Hillary or Bill says to try to accuse them of racism so they can get the black vote in South Carolina.  I mean, the 'fairy tale' remark I would never even associate with race- they are the ones putting it into people's heads that is what he is saying when he is not.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-13 05:48PM | 0 recs

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