Florida now Matters to Obama

Out of Florida, The Buzz picked up on a quote by an Obama strategist that tipped off the plan for Obama to compete in the upcoming primary of Florida:

"Advisers to Barack Obama are increasingly convinced that the fight for the Democratic presidential nomination will continue past February 5, when 24 states will hold nominating contests, including California, New York, and New Jersey. "It will not be finished February 5," says a senior Obama strategist. But he admits that a lot depends on the outcome of the South Carolina primary for the Democrats on January 26. If Obama wins there, he will revive his momentum going into the Florida primary January 29 and Mega Tuesday on February 5. Then the battle will move to the contests of mid- and late February and early March.
I have a hard time keeping up with what matters and what doesn't... First Michigan and Florida both were not, because they broke the DNC rules (nevermind that NH and IA also broke those same rules), but now it's been tipped that Florida's part of Obama's game plan, but MI still doesn't matter.

I guess the best way to view this is not through the lens of delegates, but akin to the way that nomination fights were held before the transition in the 1970's when candidates for the nomination would compete in every state. Previously, they would pick and choose states in which they would be on the ballot, and only when competing candidates were both on the ballot, was it viewed as a significant matter. In the end, it's the delegates that matter, which is where MI comes in with a much bigger role, but it's role is limited for now, with Clinton getting the win in lieu of the others passing.

The dynamics have changed since I first wrote about Michigan mattering. It doesn't matter to Obama now, since he already lost and won't run be running the table; and it doesn't matter much to Clinton now, since shes not in desperate need of a win and making the delegate argument. It's now, winless but needing a win, Edwards that lost the most from pulling out of Michigan-- a state that would have been most favorable to him than any of the other early states.

But back to Florida, on the Republican side, it's going to be a huge battle, probably only second to the Texas primary, coming after February 5th, on March 4th. And now that the Obama strategy is also looking at the impact of Florida, it will play just as large a role for the Democrats, second only to California on Feb 5th.

Looking past Feb 5th for the Democrats, toward the rest of the month:

February 9  
Louisiana primary
Washington caucus
Nebraska caucus

February 10  
Maine caucus
	
	
February 12	
District of Columbia primary
Maryland primary	
Virginia primary
	

February 19
Hawaii caucus
Wisconsin primary
And that's it, until March 4th, when Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas and Vermont hold their primaries. On March 11th, Mississippi holds it's primary, And then another 6 weeks passes till the next state, Pennsylvania, holds its primary.

It certainly does look, at this point, like there is going to be a second stage of the campaign, after Feb 5th, when 22 states hold their Democratic Party contest. I'm looking forward to the mid-Atlantic focus on Feb 12th, we'll see quite a bit of a battle in Virginia.

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89 Comments

Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Obama is toast in Florida.  And it only helps HRC if he competes there.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-12 11:58AM | 0 recs
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I agree. And now that Florida matters Michigan automatically matters.

by world dictator 2008-01-12 12:53PM | 0 recs
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Big difference: Obama isn't on the Michigan ballot. They're both on in Florida.

That said, neither may campaign there -- in order to abide by the DNC's wishes.

by Adam B 2008-01-12 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Adam, did you know that IA and NH also broke the DNC rules?  They just did it after the last DNC meeting, so there was no punishment (and everyone just figured by the next meeting, it'd all be settled).

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-12 03:49PM | 0 recs
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I didn't know what.  What's the alleged violation?

by Adam B 2008-01-12 04:13PM | 0 recs
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Michigan's letter to the DNC can be found here.  I confess they have a better argument than I thought they had.

by Steve M 2008-01-12 04:49PM | 0 recs
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Well, the question is, "what's the actual DNC rule?"  Because the letter just states that it's "the other 46 states can't go until 2/5/08"; I don't see anything about what IA/NH/NV/SC could do to each other.

by Adam B 2008-01-12 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

On August 19, 2006, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) set the dates for the selection of delegates to the 2008 Democratic nominating convention as follows:

* at Iowa caucuses held no earlier than January 14, 2008;

  • at Nevada caucuses held no earlier than January 19;
  • at a New Hampshire primary held no earlier than January 22; and
  • at a South Carolina primary held no earlier than January 29.

The rest of the states could then hold their caucuses or primaries to select their delegates after the opening of the "window" on February 5, 2008.

by Steve M 2008-01-12 07:21PM | 0 recs
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I saw that.  The question is what was set down as sanctionable, as opposed to preferable.

by Adam B 2008-01-13 02:53AM | 0 recs
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The sanctions were made up after the fact.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-13 04:17AM | 0 recs
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You sure?  I recall speaking with some members of the Rules & Bylaws Committee in advance of that August meeting, and it seemed pretty clear that losing at least half the delegates was mandatory; the only question was whether the other half had to go as well.

by Adam B 2008-01-13 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Well, unfortunately there's no library on LEXIS for rulings by the DNC.  But I find it hard to believe that with a deal that was negotiated this extensively, some parts of the deal were designated as merely advisory.

I'm pretty sure there were no mandatory sanctions in this deal - meaning that the DNC had the authority to waive the sanctions for IA and NH, as it did.  But the argument MI is making is an equitable one, based upon the unfairness of waiving the sanctions in one case and imposing draconian sanctions in another.

by Steve M 2008-01-13 04:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

In delegate count, IF the DNC seats them, then yes.  But in the media, no it really doesn't seem too.  Maybe things will change, but lack of coverage means it has no effect on momentum.  Of course closer to the convention, its importance may become bigger.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think our party had any more winner-take-all primaries based on the adopted rules for 2008.  I was under the impression it was all proportional.  So even if Obama doesn't win, getting close will be good in a delegate way IF they are seated.

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:43PM | 0 recs
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Florida always matter to Obama or he would have pulled his name from the ballot in protest there as well. I saw through that right away.
by americanincanada 2008-01-12 04:14PM | 0 recs
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Iowa did not break DNC rules.

by danIA 2008-01-12 02:45PM | 0 recs
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Yea they did, both IA and NH moved ahead of the dates the DNC set in stone for them, same broken rule.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-12 03:50PM | 0 recs
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I agree with StrongDem08 here.  No way Obama wins here in Florida.  Let's see how much that matters to him.

TrumanDem

Truman's Conscience

by DuvalDem 2008-01-12 11:59AM | 0 recs
My guess is Obama limps out of Feb 5

Looking down the road at Texas, Ohio, and Pa isn't exactly positive news for him to boot.

Those states would seriously have to favor Clinton.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-12 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Let's see:

1.  Union state

2.  In a recession

3.  Edwards pulls out.

4.  Edwards is an idiot.

by jgarcia 2008-01-12 12:03PM | 0 recs
Edwards will

not pull out. He is in this for the good of the country. For We The People.

by kevin22262 2008-01-12 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards will

He's talking about Michigan.  Edwards already pulled out.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:47PM | 0 recs
the only one in

Michigan is Hillary

by kevin22262 2008-01-12 01:49PM | 0 recs
taking his name off the ballot in MI

certainly seems like a mistake now.

by desmoinesdem 2008-01-12 12:17PM | 0 recs
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Yes, it was stupid of Edwards and Obama to pull out of Michigan because either had a very solid shot of winning the state. Michigan is insurgent friendly; Jesse Jackson won the Michigan Primary in 1988.

by blueflorida 2008-01-12 03:59PM | 0 recs
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I have been saying that for Obama to have any real shot at taking the nomination he MUST win NV, SC, and CA.  He can afford to lose FL, as long as he doesn't play there.  But, lose any of the three I previously mentioned and he is finsihed.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-12 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

CA is proportional, isn't it? So if he wins or comes in a fairly close second, it might not make a huge difference.

by animated 2008-01-12 12:28PM | 0 recs
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There are no winner-take-all primaries on the Democratic side.

by Dave Sund 2008-01-12 12:30PM | 0 recs
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Everything is proportinal, but you don't see the media talking about that.  The media will treat it as winner takes all.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-12 12:39PM | 0 recs
Jerome you have a mistake

WA state Democrats are using the caucus NOT the primary to choose the Democratic nominee.

It is on Feb. 9th at 1pm

by kevin22262 2008-01-12 12:08PM | 0 recs
More info here
Wa State Democrats
http://www.wa-democrats.org/
by kevin22262 2008-01-12 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome you have a mistake

Thanks, updated. That makes that date a lot more interesting. My mom's a precinct chair there!

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-12 03:52PM | 0 recs
which precinct?

I am in Tacoma 29/507

by kevin22262 2008-01-12 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: which precinct?

I don't know which one, near downtown Vancouver.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-12 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: which precinct?

I hope she wasn't near the rare and odd tornado that hit down there.

by kevin22262 2008-01-13 01:05PM | 0 recs
Media trying to drum up race

... A race that doesn't exist.

The in the tank for Obama shills at the NYT are writing fairytales about Obama having a chance in NY.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/us/pol itics/12york.html?ei=5065&en=2343741 b56849024&ex=1200805200&partner= MYWAY&pagewanted=print

Anyone see the polling this week out of NY?  Clinton is up in the mid 20s.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-12 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Media trying to drum up race

unfortunately, another Obama fluff piece. I sorta have gotten used to them.

DP, have you chosen a candidate, yet? I think I read somewhere that originally that you were a Dodd supporter.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-12 12:11PM | 0 recs
Some here would chuckle at that

While I have a lot of respect for Dodd, and Biden and Richardson, I am about as all in for Hillary Clinton as one can be.

I hoped she would run in '04, understood why she didn't and have been waiting since for her to win this thing.

I really like the Clintons because I totally support their view of what government is, and should be.  I totally respect their ability to make government work pretty well in the 90s, despite Republican obstructionism.

Hardworking, tough, smart, caring, politcally skilled ... adjectives that describe both of the Clintons and adjectives that would be great to describe a President.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-12 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Some here would chuckle at that

ok. same here.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-12 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Media trying to drum up race

The New York Times has had a disturbing anti Clinton slant as of late. Doesn't matter, there's really no chance she loses by less than 20 points there.

by Christopher Lib 2008-01-12 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Feb. 9, Nebraska caucus.

My read of it so far is that Obama's got a whole lot of support here. But that's just anecdotal evidence based on party insiders in Nebraska. Edwards has a lot of support, too, but I doubt he'll be in after Super Tuesday. Nelson's endorsement certainly doesn't hurt Obama here.

by Dave Sund 2008-01-12 12:10PM | 0 recs
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Also Feb 9 is the WA caucus. The primary does not allocate any delegates on the Democratic side.

by thetadelta 2008-01-12 12:22PM | 0 recs
arent dems in neb upset

at how obama's campaign slimed and slandered my friend and hero, bob kerry?

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-12 12:50PM | 0 recs
Right on.

Respect isn't taught at one of those nefarious "secular madrasahs."

by Ramo 2008-01-12 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: arent dems in neb upset

Uh, Kerrey said something that obviously came our wrong. Obama's campaign never once accused him of anything. Kerrey then apologized. He likes Obama too, even though he endorsed Clinton.

As an aside, I would have loved for Bob Kerrey to run in Nebraska again. But he has to look at what's best for his family.

by Dave Sund 2008-01-12 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: arent dems in neb upset

Dave, you can't argue with Seymour... he apparently knows everyone of power within the Democratic party.

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: arent dems in neb upset

Amazing... You spell Bob Kerrey incorrectly as Kerry and John Kerry incorrectly as Kerrey.  Just Amazing.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Thanks, updated.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-12 03:54PM | 0 recs
GOP nominee decided first?

Could it be that if McCain sweeps SC, MI and FL, he locks up the Republican nomination.  And the Dems will have nothing decided.

I think Obama wins NV and SC, he still has to do well in enough Feb 5 states.  In addition to Georgia, he has to win California, and at least come close in New York.  

Virginia and Maryland will be exciting if the race continues.  The key in both states will be the black vote.

Then Ohio and Texas come up.  I think Obama's weakness, which could be his doom, is with Latino voters.  As long as we avoid anymore race-baiting and too many negative attacks, a longer nomination race should help the Democrats in the fall.

by mikelow1885 2008-01-12 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

It would be a Clinton dream for Obama to compete in Florida.

Obama will take SC. and going into Feb 5th it will be

Iowa, SC - Obama
NV, Mich., FL, NH - Clinton

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-12 12:20PM | 0 recs
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I really wouldn't assume Clinton has NV locked up...  there is no evidence out there to support that theory.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:53PM | 0 recs
Agree. Clintons going to win NV.

If for no other reason than Obama has to spend most of the next ten days in SC. A loss there or even a very narrow win would by a catastrophe for him. I'm not sure whether she's conceded SC yet, whether she goes there after NV will depend on internal polls I guess.  

by ottovbvs 2008-01-12 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Agree. Clintons going to win NV.

Obama is spending all next week in NV.

by StrongDem08 2008-01-12 02:41PM | 0 recs
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I just have to say, Florida is Hillary country! I live in Tampa, FL and everyone i have been talking to, are behind Hillary! Plus I know a lot of Cuban and Puerto Ricans here in Tampa, who previously voted for Bush, but is solidly behind Hillary now!

I stand by my prediction that Hillary will win Florida handily!

by boxer4hrc 2008-01-12 12:20PM | 0 recs
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Right.. because Tampa speaks for the entire state.

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama
I am from Florida as well and will be voting absentee for the primary and in person for the general, our state is too important not to vote. I am all in for Clinton. My dad and the majority of my family all live in Florida; in and around Tampa, Lakeland and Orlando, respectively. Not to mention having tons of friends in Miami and the panhandle. I can assure you Florida is Hillary Country. I have been shocked by how much democratic support, as well as republican support, she has there. It really is astounding.
by americanincanada 2008-01-12 03:48PM | 0 recs
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That is because Florida is a suburb of New York.  You guys are practically Hillary constituents.

by Steve M 2008-01-12 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama
I am one of those rare breeds of Floridian who was actually born there. Florida is really very interesting in that so many different communities are present in the electorate. Cubans, latin, italian, african-american, white, conservative, gay, etc. I have been equally baffled and intrigued by Florida politics for years.
by americanincanada 2008-01-12 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Clinton will do well in the I-4. Clinton & Obama could split North Florida. Clinton will do well in Broward & Palm Beach, although I could see Miami-Dade being split or even going for Obama.

by blueflorida 2008-01-12 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama
They could possibly split north Florida, I agree I-4 is all Hillary. However, we disagree on Broward/Dade; given Obama's insistence that he would sit down and negotiate/talk with Castro, I believe he will have a hard time taking south Florida.
by americanincanada 2008-01-12 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Most Miami-area Cubans will be voting in the GOP primary won't they? African-Americans, Haitian-Americans, and young upscale whites will dominate the Dem primary.

by blueflorida 2008-01-12 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama
I'm not so sure that the GOP still has a sure hold on all those cuban voters. It has been really interesting to talk to my Miami friends, they say there is a tidal wave of support for Hillary among the cuban community that seems to transcend party. For what it's worth.
by americanincanada 2008-01-12 05:09PM | 0 recs
Maybe I'm entirely wrong.

Maybe I'm entirely wrong in how I read that but it says that he will revive his momentum going into Florida. If he wins South Carolina and Nevada then Florida will be much closer than it would be if he lost them. His losing Florida by a huge margin would kill any momentum going into February 5th.

I honestly don't know whether or not he'll be competing in Florida, but winning SC and NV can only help his chances in Florida.

by Obama08 2008-01-12 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe I'm entirely wrong.

I respectively disagree Obama08. Only because the has been I think two polls done in Florida since his win in Iowa and Hillary is still leading by double digits. And I have to say that a lot of the people I have been talking too are annoyed that the DNC has disenfranchised us. So I think we will decide the way we want to and not look at mo! Just a thought.

by boxer4hrc 2008-01-12 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe I'm entirely wrong.

She had a big lead in one and an 8 point in another.  However, neither was done by pollsters with a really good track record either.  So who knows where the hell race stands.  If Obama wins NV and SC, Florida will tighten... I don't know if Obama can win, but if he excedes expectations and it is closer then that is nearly as good as a win.

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:57PM | 0 recs
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I still think Clinton will win Florida, and that is why I don't think Obama will contest it. However, I doubt it will be a win by the 20% that the polls suggest.

by Obama08 2008-01-12 12:51PM | 0 recs
I would love for this to last until April 22

and PA, but I really rather doubt it will.

by andgarden 2008-01-12 12:52PM | 0 recs
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I think there's a real chance that this gets to the point where party leaders say "Hillary's the Prez, Obama is the VP..were not going to have a brokered convention. Then it's Obama's turn next time around"

by world dictator 2008-01-12 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

There's this pesky issue of voting that would get in the way of a coronation by party leaders...

by Ramo 2008-01-12 12:59PM | 0 recs
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Brokered Convention...

by world dictator 2008-01-12 01:18PM | 0 recs
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I think it would only happen if Hillary leads in the delegates but doesn't have enough for the nom.  If a brokered convention came down to THAT scenario then yes, its perfectly plausible.  Long term strategy for the party, I'd probably be forced to admit it would be something that would good too, as Hillary would probably be too old to run in 8 years.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

i think it will be done after feb 5th

by boxer4hrc 2008-01-12 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Florida is a closed primary in which only Democrats can vote. As we have seen, Clinton leads among Democrats. Clinton also have the benefit of having New Yorkers who moved to Florida. So, I'm inclined to think Clinton will win Florida.

The thing about Super Tuesday is about half the states have open primaries in which Independents can vote in. That could help Obama a lot. If Clinton does not have the momentum going into Super Tuesday, Obama could win all those states with open primaries. If not, he could come as close as he did in New Hampshire in these states.

by RJEvans 2008-01-12 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Who won among Dems in Iowa?  

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

>>> Who won among Dems in Iowa?

A lot easier to pull off the upset and out-organize in a low-population, low-participation state than a higher-participation and in particular high-population states.

My profile for Obama wins would be smaller states with relatively high college-age populations.  

by InigoMontoya 2008-01-12 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

You mean the 1-point victory by Obama? Come on.

by RJEvans 2008-01-13 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

I will say Florida WILL matter, only because the candidates names are on the ballot. It does not matter if they did not compete, their names are on the ballot and the choice will be up to the voters. Michigan on the other hand, I think the media will say Clinton wins Michigan but it will not be a momentum state for Clinton.

by RJEvans 2008-01-12 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

I'd agree with that.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

Well since Obama pulled out of Michigan (and yes I will agree that was a mistake) it ISN'T important to his strategy because he can't do anything about... short of mounting a write-in campaign.

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 01:25PM | 0 recs
Voter Suppression

Since Hillary filed a voter suppression lawsuit in Nevada without any compunctions, I wonder if voter suppression tactics in FLORIDA ITSELF would seem too ironic.

by commissar 2008-01-12 01:38PM | 0 recs
To such has panic bought the Obamanauts.

A preposterous claim. No evidence. Just throw mud and hope it sticks. These guys are starting to panic. I can smell it.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-12 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

I pointed out this quote yesterday, thanks for the full post on it Jerome, I think it is a pretty big deal.

The most recent polling (also reported in the Buzz) had Clinton up by 12 points on Monday before New Hampshire.  She has lead there consistently and if she was ahead by 12 at the peak of Obama's surge then I have to think she is the favorite to win.  This point was emphasized on NPR this week when they interviewed USF Professor Susan Macmanus, one of the most respected political observers in Florida.  Macmanus also stated that it would be very hard to see Obama win in Florida without major campaigning there.  It is strongly favorable to Clinton.

This is compounded by the fact that there is a campaign prohibition and so it will be hard to really shake things up in Florida.  That being said, there is not a prohibition on fundraising there and I could see Obama doing a swing of low dollar rally-fundraisers to energize his supporters and get earned media going into the primary there.

I think we will see mounting pressure to break the no-campaigning pledge as we get closer to Florida's primary and the immense stakes become clear.  Not to mention the pledge is not to the DNC but to the state parties in IA, NH, NV, and SC.  Once those contests have been completed one could almost argue the pledge had been honored and we might see a big GOTV push in Florida.

To say it again: the stakes are very high for every campaign in both parties.  Florida will almost certainly make a big difference.

Lastly, this highlights another big question I have about Obama's campaign.  As I and others have said, my biggest reservation about Obama comes from his untested nature as a candidate.  I honestly don't see how he can compete with Clinton in Florida and I think his only viable strategy was to bypass the state and downplay the significance for Clinton.  By having someone from his campaign even mention "Florida" and "momentum" in the same sentence they are just letting Clinton run the board.  How can he win this if he plays by her rules?  I have to say this is another strategic error and it only underscores my concerns about what an Obama general election campaign would look like.

I just don't see how he could be successful by buying into the concern trolls on social security and health care and then making strategic political mistakes and letting the Republicans run the board.  If he is the nominee I hope I am wrong and he wins, but this is just another sign.

by rcipw 2008-01-12 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

What poll are you referring too as it is not on rcp

by yitbos96bb 2008-01-12 02:50PM | 0 recs
by rcipw 2008-01-13 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida - Beauty contest.

No where in that article is any Obama official saying that Florida has taken on added significance. He is on the ballot so unlike Michigan there will be votes cast but to infer from that quote that now Obama is contesting in a state where no dem will campaign is ludicrous.

Florida is not even being mentioned by the national media when they go thru the calender for dems.. for GOP - yes it is big time. for dems... not a blip.

by hawkjt 2008-01-12 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida - Beauty contest.
Floria is mentioned every time CNN lists the primaries on their site, their shows and their commercials. Make no mistake, Florida is vastly more important than you think.
by americanincanada 2008-01-12 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama
Is there any momentum left?
The only possible momentum generator I see left is an Obama sweep of NV, SC and Fla. With no major polling happening in NV the Clinton campaign has successfully lowered any expectations there. A win for her would be news but a loss will be downplayed. Again in SC due to demographics a win for her would be news and a loss will be downplayed. However in Fla the reverse is true. A win for Obama would be news and big news.
But nobody can campaign there. The first one who does would risk alienating the party establishments in all of the Feb. 5th states. There really isn't enough time for any campaigning to change the outcome. Obama would never damage his core narrative and Hillary would never reinforce her negatives by campaigning there.
The only way I can see a campaign playing in Fla at all is by accelerating any national ad buys possibly contemplated prior to Feb 5th. Moving an ad buy from the 3rd and 4th to the 27th and 28th could at the margins move some votes (as the buy itself will get some play multiplying its effect).
Other then that I see a long slog with delegates at best split 45-35 and probably closer.
by Judeling 2008-01-12 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

I think DC and Maryland goes Obama, with VA going to Hillary.  I don't really think the Governors' endorsement in either MD or VA will carry the day.  What Iowa did for Obama was to give him momentum in the AA community nation wide.  If he follows up with a victory in SC, that will just cement his presence in MD and DC going into Feb 12.

by Kingstongirl 2008-01-12 05:49PM | 0 recs
Don't forget DC on Feb 12

DC doesn't have the population (and thus the delegates) of VA and MD, but we will still be part of the story that day if the Feb 12 regional primary ends up being significant. We've also got an "influential African-American population", and dynamic young mayor Adrian Fenty has endorsed Obama.

by KCinDC 2008-01-12 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Florida now Matters to Obama

I wouldn't be so confident in NoVA supporting Hillary. There are a lot of strong grassroots organizations for Obama.

by Obama08 2008-01-13 05:03AM | 0 recs

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