Giuliani's (Un-) Electability

The stronger Hillary Clinton appears, the more effective Rudy Giuliani believes this case for his candidacy becomes:

"I'm the only Republican candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton."

And certainly Giuliani's unlikely strength among constituencies not typically inclined to support a northeast pro-choice, pro-gun Republican would seem to bear out the effectiveness of this strategy. As GOP strategist Mike Murphy says:

"Nobody asks if you're pro-choice or pro-life if you're in a Hillary fight."

Take the results of the latest Gallup Poll, via TPM:

* Rudy leads among conservative Republicans with 30%. Thompson is in second with 23%, John McCain in third with 15%, and Mitt Romney is in forth with 10%.

* Rudy leads among Republican voters who attend church weekly with 27%. Thompson is in second with 24%; McCain has 17%; and Romney has 9%. Rudy also leads among Republicans who attend church monthly. Not surprisingly, the catholic Rudy is very dominant among Catholic voters, but he's also leading among Protestants, too.

* Rudy is tied with Thompson among southern Republicans at 28%. McCain has 12% and Romney has 6%.

But not everyone thinks he's out of the woods with these voters. Former GOP mayor of Los Angeles Richard Riordan said this during what was purportedly an endorsement of Giuliani:

He said Giuliani was "too liberal" to appeal to the party's conservative base.

"On the primary, you get this solid, super-right-wing group of people who are going to have litmus tests on everything from gun control to abortion to other things," Riordan observed. "He's going to be hurt there."

Perhaps most disconcerting for Giuliani, though, is the potential unintended consequence of the nomination of the so-called most electable candidate: a primary challenge from the right. From Salon via TPM:

A powerful group of conservative Christian leaders decided Saturday at a private meeting in Salt Lake City to consider supporting a third-party candidate for president if a pro-choice nominee like Rudy Giuliani wins the Republican nomination. [...]

"The conclusion was that if there is a pro-abortion nominee they will consider working with a third party," said the person, who spoke to Salon on the condition of anonymity. The private meeting was not a part of the official CNP schedule, which is itself a closely held secret. "Dobson came in just for this meeting," the person said.

Which would, of course, in the end make him not electable at all. Funny how things work out.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani (all tags)

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Re: Giuliani's (Un-) Electability

Assuming Hillary is the nominee, is there any consensus among Progressives as to which potential GOP nominee would present the toughest match-up for her in the general election?  This post seems to suggest that it would not be Giuliani, but it's not clear.  I happen to think that Mike Huckabee (a man very unlikely to be the GOP nominee) would present the toughest match-up.  I base the observation on the following: (1) the south would fall in line for him, so he could spend his time trying to pick-up states elsewhere, (2) governors have an easier time campaigning on their record, (3) also as a governor, he does not have a controversial Congressional voting record to defend, and (4) he is, by many accounts, a natural politician and quite likable.  I think the remaining candidates, in descending order of strength against Hillary, are McCain, Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney.            

by Mose 2007-09-30 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Giuliani's (Un-) Electability

You seem to be suggesting that today's GOP is in danger of becoming the pre-Bill Clinton (1968-92) Democratic party: bound and deetermined to nominate candidates who can't win.

by spirowasright 2007-09-30 01:49PM | 0 recs
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Mose, I tend to agree with your analysis. Living here in the buckle of the Bible Belt (SW MO), I can say from first-hand knowledge that there are large numbers of Conservative Christian types that will NOT vote for Rudy under ANY circumstances. The GOP is under some delusion that the social issue crowd will somehow be forced to vote for Rudy. Believe it or not, social issues are much more important to these people than simply electing a Republican to the White House. Talk of a third-party, far-right candidate does not surprise me at all; in fact I fully expect this scenario if Rudy is nominated. And as we all know, if this happens the GOP candidate has NO CHANCE of being elected, no matter who that candidate may be.

by Poll Addict 2007-09-30 02:12PM | 0 recs
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We don't want Rudy. Who is the third party guy going to be. Alan Keys Gary Bauer or Judge Roy Moore. The votes they get Rudy will back tenfold with white independants we want Mitt or Fred.

by dobied 2007-09-30 03:39PM | 0 recs
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I don't want Rudy because I am worried that the fundamentalist leaders are just bluffing and will back down and endorse Giuliani if he wins. Then we'd be in trouble.

But if the Republicans genuinely can't hold together the religious right and secular right for the next election, they're completely screwed. They CAN'T win without the religious right. It would be like Democrats driving off some huge Democratic core constituency like African-Americans or women. You can't win that way.

Dobson has them by the balls and they know it.

by tjekanefir 2007-09-30 04:00PM | 0 recs
Don't forget these polls - Rudy can be beat

Democratic Candidate vs. Republican Candidate

Survey USA - September 28, 2007
Oregon
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 7.33%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 7.66%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 12.00%

Survey USA - September 27, 2007
Minnesota  
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 15.66%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 10.66%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 17.00%

Survey USA - September 26, 2007
Wisconsin
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 5.00%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 7.66%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 8.66%

Ohio (20 electoral votes)
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 3.33%
Obama trails the Republicans by an average of 7.00%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 9.33%

Iowa (7 electoral votes)
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 7.00%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 9.33%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 15.66%

Missouri (11 electoral votes)
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 3.66%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 5.33%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 13.00%

New Mexico (5 electoral votes)
Average
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 11.33%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 10.00%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 13.00%

Kentucky (8 electoral votes)
Average
Clinton trails the Republicans by an average of 5.00%
Obama trails the Republicans by an average of 12.33%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 1.33%

Virginia (13 electoral votes)
Averages
Clinton leads the Republicans by an average of 9.33%
Obama leads the Republicans by an average of 3.66%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 11.33%

Alabama (9 electoral votes)
Average
Clinton trails the Republicans by an average of 8.33%
Obama trails the Republicans by an average of 23.33%
Edwards trails the Republicans by an average of 5.33%

Kansas (6 electoral votes)
Average
Clinton trails the Republicans by an average of 8.00%
Obama trails the Republicans by an average of 5.00%
Edwards trails the Republicans by an average of 1.00%

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by mrobinsong 2007-09-30 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Giuliani's (Un-) Electability

Hillary wants Mitt Romney. He has no personality, he is a flip flopper, he wears magical underwear, he is a Mormon.

by dobied 2007-09-30 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Giuliani's (Un-) Electability

So wait, what happened to all those hard-line Catholics who had temper tantrums about the fact that John Kerry supported abortion rights? Are they going to call for Giuliani's excommunication too?

Oh, nevermind, I think I know the answer. :P

by tjekanefir 2007-09-30 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Giuliani's (Un-) Electability

This is interesting because I said last week many religious Republicans are going to find it hard, some impossible, to punch that card for Rudy because of his pro-abortion stance- I understand their point of view, I am on the fence really about the abortion issue at times, but I know some really do think it's murder and some of them, their conscious is not going to let them do it- may not be a lot- who knows- but it's not something that will go away easily.

by reasonwarrior 2007-09-30 09:19PM | 0 recs

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