"the United States should designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization...and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists."

- I don't see anything wrong in that language . I would have voted for it if I was in the senate.

This is not a declaration of war.

Yet another example of why Clinton 2.0 doesn't have the judgement to be president.  She doesn't learn from her mistakes.

As I Hillary supporter, I do not freakin' understand why she would vote for this amendment. Dumb real dumb. Big freakin' mistake.

Dodd is becoming dailykos' new darling. Unfortunately, he's still going nowhere in real world. Dailykos has full control of:

1) Dodd

2. Edwards
   
3. Obama

Props to Dodd and Biden on this one.

He skipped the Movon condemnation vote.

He skipped the vote on Biden's measure for Iraq.

He skipped this vote on Iran.

What is more important for a Senator to do than to vote on such important issues?  Especially dealing with Iraq and Iran.  

It's ridiculous that 'netroots' want to fully control every senator's every vote. The truth is many of them are independent-minded politicians, they are going to take orders from 'openleft' or 'dailykos'.

Dems who backed the measure:

Akaka
Baucus
Bayh
Ben Nelson
Bill Nelson
Cardin
Carper
Casey
Clinton
Conrad
Dorgan
Durbin
Feinstein
Johnson
Kohl
Landrieu
Lautenberg
Levin
Lieberman
Menendez
Mikulski
Murray
Pryor
Reed
Reid
Rockefeller
Salazar
Schumer
Stabenow
Whitehouse

Dems who voted against it

Biden
Bingaman
Boxer
Brown
Byrd
Cantwell
Dodd
Feingold
Hagel
Harkin
Inouye
Kennedy
Kerry
Klobuchar
Leahy
Lincoln
Lugar
Mccaskill
Sanders
Tester
Webb
Wyden

It's not all along 'moderate' and 'liberal' line.

For those that don't see what is wrong...listen to Webb
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/webb -kyl-lieb-iran/

After we attack Iran...and we will before Nov 08.
All these Dem Senators will say "I had no idea the President would use this to justify attacks."

Good god people..why are Dems kissing Lieberman's ass? The fact Lieberman put his name on the amendment is enough to vote it down...
Where was Sen. Obama?

What does it matter!! Th Republican Guard is part of the Iranian Army!! The equivalent would be to label the Marines a terrorist organization. I really am disgusted with Clinton, Schumer, etc. If I had a brother or sister sitting on the Iraq/Iran border I would be tearing my hair out. As is, I merely am quivering with rage at my spineless Ny senators.

What is with Senator Clinton!!!

I find that as progressives, we're sort of hamstrung on the issue of Iran because there are legitimate concerns about some of the things they do, yet we don't want to end up as enablers of military action.

As Dodd notes, there obviously was a bait and switch on Iraq.  We all agreed that Saddam was a bad man, that he had wrongly invaded a neighbor, that he had gassed his own people, and so on.  And once we all agreed to those things, it was like "well since you agree that he's so awful, you surely must support getting rid of him, right?"

That said, it's still a tough spot to be.  If we had it all to do over again, I certainly wouldn't change my mind on whether Saddam was a bad man.  Nor am I going to put myself in the position of defending or excusing the Iranian regime just because I think military action would be a blunder.  Look at Wes Clark, who is as committed an opponent of war with Iran as anyone, yet hardly presents himself as an apologist.

Rick Santorum used to regularly sponsor bills condemning Iran and making regime change our official policy.  Yet those bills always contained an important hedge: "Nothing in this bill shall be construed to authorize military action against Iran."  I sure wish we could have fought for a disclaimer or that sort in this amendment.

While I am disappointed in her vote, I hope she can come through with a good explanation....

I remember North korea being dubbed as a terroist nation; so I guess the iran republican guard being a terrorist guard is not surprise.

The real surprise was jack reed from R.I saying yes....since he voted against the iraq aumf.

And in essence, the amendment said that combat its prescence in iraq makes some sense....especially if you want to do political reconcilation as well as partitioning....partitioning the regions would not help if the iranian prescence was too strong...so to some extent biden amendment needs some of the ideas on the kyl/lieberman to work on...  

the fact that levin, pat murray, stabenow, jack reed also voted yes....these guys voted against the iraq war authority...

and i noticed that boxer switched her from yeah to no at the end....  

So this "sense of the senate"  amendment was somewhat confusing to say the least...

WHAT THE FUCK HAS BEEN IN THE WATER IN MARYLAND LATELY?!?

This is the best reason why I could offer that Senators, with the sole exception of Jack Kennedy, who was executive by the grace of being a Kennedy -  why senators should not be president.

Shades of Farenheit 911...

StopIranWar.com
http://stopiranwar.com

Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)

It's hard not to conclude that these otherwise solid Democrats vote with the administration on issues related to terrorism because their states were most impacted by 9/11.

Todd, this is nuts.

Cardin, Mikulski, and Lautenberg all voted against the war in Iraq, which certainly came after 9/11.

Lautenberg is one of the best liberal votes we have in the Senate and I have little doubt he would have voted against the war had he been in office in 2002.

You're offering a very broad condemnation of these reliable liberals based upon a single vote.  Carl Levin, Jack Reed, Patty Murray, and other good liberals voted yes on the amendment as well.  They don't fit very well within your "impacted by 9/11" theory.

(I posted this in another diary)

This vote EXPRESSES THE SENSE OF THE SENATE, and has NO legal standing. Stop trying to misrepresent Hillary Clinton over and over a again. This is NOT a vote for war with Iran.

This is the Amendment. Read it. Understand it, and stop exagerating the vote. I fully support Clinton and her vote.

SA 3017. Mr. KYL (for himself, Mr. Lieberman, and Mr. Coleman) proposed an amendment to amendment SA 2011 proposed by Mr. Nelson of Nebraska (for Mr. Levin) to the bill H.R. 1585, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes; as follows:

   At the end of subtitle C of title XV, add the following:

  SEC. 1535. SENSE OF SENATE ON IRAN.

   (a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

   (1) General David Petraeus, commander of the Multi-National Force Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``[i]t is increasingly apparent to both coalition and Iraqi leaders that Iran, through the use of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps Qods Force, seeks to turn the Shi'a militia extremists into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq''.

   (2) Ambassador Ryan Crocker, United States Ambassador to Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``Iran plays a harmful role in Iraq. While claiming to support Iraq in its transition, Iran has actively undermined it by providing lethal capabilities to the enemies of the Iraqi state''.

   (3) The most recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, published in August 2007, states that ``Iran has been intensifying aspects of its lethal support for select groups of Iraqi Shia militants, particularly the JAM [Jaysh al-Mahdi], since at least the beginning of 2006. Explosively formed penetrator (EFP) attacks have risen dramatically''.

   (4) The Report of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, released on September 6, 2007, states that ``[t]he Commission concludes that the evidence of Iran's increasing activism in the southeastern part of the country, including Basra and Diyala provinces, is compelling. ..... It is an accepted fact that most of the sophisticated weapons being used to `defeat' our armor protection comes across the border from Iran with relative impunity''.

   (5) General (Ret.) James Jones, chairman of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, stated in testimony before the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate on September 6, 2007, that ``[w]e judge that the goings-on across the Iranian border in particular are of extreme severity and have the potential of at least delaying our efforts inside the country. Many of the arms and weapons that kill and maim our soldiers are coming from across the Iranian border''.

   (6) General Petraeus said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq on April 26, 2007, that ``[w]e know that it goes as high as [Brig. Gen. Qassem] Suleimani, who is the head of the Qods Force. ..... We believe that he works directly for the supreme leader of the country''.

   (7) Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, the president of Iran, stated on August 28, 2007, with respect to the United States presence in Iraq, that ``[t]he political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly. Soon we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course we are prepared to fill the gap''.

   (8) Ambassador Crocker testified to Congress, with respect to President Ahmedinejad's statement, on September 11, 2007, that ``[t]he Iranian involvement in Iraq--its support for extremist militias, training, connections to Lebanese Hezbollah, provision of munitions that are used against our force as well as the Iraqis--are all, in my view, a pretty clear demonstration that Ahmedinejad means what he says, and is already trying to implement it to the best of his ability''.

   (9) General Petraeus stated on September 12, 2007, with respect to evidence of the complicity of Iran in the murder of members of the Armed Forces of the United States in Iraq, that ``[t]e evidence is very, very clear. We captured it when we captured Qais Khazali, the Lebanese Hezbollah deputy commander, and others, and it's in black and white. ..... We interrogated these individuals. We have on tape. ..... Qais Khazali himself. When asked, could you have done what you have done without Iranian support, he literally throws up his hands and laughs and says, of course not. ..... So they told us about the amounts of money that they have received. They told us about the training that they received. They told us about the ammunition and sophisticated weaponry and all of that that they received''.

   (10) General Petraeus further stated on September 14, 2007, that ``[w]hat we have got is evidence. This is not intelligence. This is evidence, off computers that we captured, documents and so forth. ..... In one case, a 22-page document that lays out the planning, reconnaissance, rehearsal, conduct, and aftermath of the operation conducted that resulted in the death of five of our soldiers in Karbala back in January''.

   (11) The Department of Defense report to Congress entitled ``Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq'' and released on September 18, 2007, consistent with section 9010 of Public Law 109-289, states that ``[t]here has been no decrease in Iranian training and funding of illegal Shi'a militias in Iraq that attack Iraqi and Coalition forces and civilians..... Tehran's support for these groups is one of the greatest impediments to progress on reconciliation''.

   (12) The Department of Defense report further states, with respect to Iranian support for Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, that ``[m]ost of the explosives and ammunition used by these groups are provided by the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force..... For the period of June through the end of August, [explosively formed penetrator] events are projected to rise by 39 percent over the period of March through May''.

   (13) Since May 2007, Ambassador Crocker has held three rounds of talks in Baghdad on Iraq security with representatives of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

   (14) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 10, 2007, with respect to these talks, stating that ``I laid out the concerns we had over Iranian activity that was damaging to Iraq's security, but found no readiness on Iranians' side at all to engage seriously on these issues. The impression I came with after a couple rounds is that the Iranians were interested simply in the appearance of discussions, of being seen to be at the table with the U.S. as an arbiter of Iraq's present and future, rather than actually doing serious business ..... Right now, I haven't seen any sign of earnest or seriousness on the Iranian side''.

   (15) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 11, 2007, stating that ``[w]e have seen nothing on the ground that would suggest that the Iranians are altering what they're doing in support of extremist elements that are going after our forces as well as the Iraqis''.

   (b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

   (1) that the manner in which the United States transitions and structures its military presence in Iraq will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, in particular with regard to the capability of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to pose a threat to the security of the region, the prospects for democracy for the people of the region, and the health of the global economy;

   (2) that it is a vital national interest of the United States to prevent the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran from turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force that could serve its interests inside Iraq, including by overwhelming, subverting, or co-opting institutions of the legitimate Government of Iraq;

   (3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;

   (4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;

   (5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224; and

   (6) that the Department of the Treasury should act with all possible expediency to complete the listing of those entities targeted under United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1737 and 1747 adopted unanimously on December 23, 2006 and March 24, 2007, respectively.

Last fall I started warning against this day... I want to call out all the Hillary and Biden supporters - what the hell are you thinking supporting these hawkish neo-con hacks?  

I am even going to set my support of Obama aside unless he makes a statement against this legislation.  I understand, and even called up some friends that work on the Senate side, that no legislation other than the Biden bill was suppose to be up for today.  But if Obama would have supported it I will not support him.  I may even ask that my campaign contributions be returned.  I suggest that the Hillary and Biden people go ahead and take that step.

We have to stand up as a country people!  This is out of control!

You should see the comments of right wing bloggers today.

They are calling it "Barack's Disappearing Act".

How in the world could you repeatedly "miss" very important ( controversial) votes?

I don't care how busy he is but something is not right.

Its bad enough that he can say he "would have voted against the war" If he was in the Senate back then- so why are you still not voting now that you are in the Senate.

Its very easy to take the popular position without having to actually vote!

The sixSeantors you mentioned voted with the administration becasue their states were affected by 9/11,huh?
Okay, then could you possibly cut them some slack for a change?
Oh I forgot, this is the liberal blogosphere, the Blog Birch Society.
All Democratic memebers of Congress must vote 100 percent for whatever the little old lefties in tennis shoes demand, no matter how unrealistic those demands are. Otherwise, clinton, Obama, Biden, etc. don't love them.
They aske what DUers should do about this, My advice: Fold your arms real tight, puff your cheks, go sit in the corner and pout.

Is there anything the Congress can do that is not 100% proof of gross stupidity? Give Cheney an inch, and he will take 10,000 miles. Anyone not learned that lesson yet? I am totally disgusted with these Bush appeasers.

They can all go to hell. Hillary can lead the way. May they all rot.

See:

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