Tom Harkin Steak Fry

by Todd Beeton, Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 12:32:17 PM EDT

The Democratic candidates have gathered at the Tom Harkin Steak Fry in Indianola, IA today where, David Dayen reports back, a record-setting 12,000 people have gathered this year.

The candidate speeches have begun with Obama going first. He made news by announcing that he will not support a funding bill that does not contain a timetable for withdrawal.

Richardson followed with a funny line about global warming: "Al Gore was right, we just hope he doesn't get in the race." Dayen also notes Richardson echoed Dean with a call to "take our country back."

Hillary Clinton is up now and as Harkin was introducing her, the crowd started chanting "Hillary Hillary!"

The speeches are being covered live on C-SPAN (livestreaming HERE.) Also Iowa Independent is liveblogging it.

Are you watching? Are you there? What do you think?

Update [2007-9-16 16:41:9 by Todd Beeton]: Hillary Clinton had a good line. She said that the day after she is elected (she won't wait for inauguration) she'll send representatives to travel the world and send the message: "the era of cowboy diplomacy is over, America is back!"

Update [2007-9-16 16:56:11 by Todd Beeton]: Chris Dodd is delivering a barn burner of a speech. A lot of Democratic pride but also some criticism of Democrats for not "standing up for its values and its principles." He said "it's about time we stood up and said we want our constitution back." Restoring the constitution will be the first thing Dodd does as president.

Update [2007-9-16 17:9:24 by Todd Beeton]: John Edwards is echoing the rhetoric we heard from him at the YearlyKos debate: taking Washington back from the entrenched special interests, not replacing corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats and returning the power to the people. C-SPAN keeps cutting to supporters in the crowd who brandish signs and cheer him on. Seems as though his support is the most enthusiastic. I liked his line about universal healthcare -- if a candidate has a healthcare plan that does not cover every man, woman and child in this country, ask them "what man, what woman, what child in America is not worthy of healthcare?"

Update [2007-9-16 17:33:20 by Todd Beeton]: Joe Biden gave a tight heartfelt and, as he called it, serious speech. "This war must end! This war must end!" He cited his plan for Iraq including getting our combat troops out of the civil war and acknowldeging the fact that Iraq can not be centrally controlled. He actually has quite a vocal and well-positioned contingent yelling "Let's Joe, Go!"

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Re: Tom Harkin Steak Fry

Just got done seeing HRC's speech on C-Span. She was actually better than i have ever seen her at a rally like this. She was actually really motivating and, hmmm, even, dare I say, inspiring?

by jgarcia 2007-09-16 12:43PM | 0 recs

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No, all she was doing was playing mind games.

"I'm a woman, can't you see? Make history with me."

What a joke of a speech.

by OE 2007-09-16 12:44PM | 0 recs

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That's what happens when you mimic Barack Obama

YES WE CAN ?

Sound familiar ?

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 01:10PM | 0 recs

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haha mimicking Obama, thats funny

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-16 01:12PM | 0 recs

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Isn't it ?

It's even funnier than her own stump speeches.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 01:15PM | 0 recs

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She was about the same as always that I have seen, nothing special.

by BDM 2007-09-16 01:33PM | 0 recs

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Sound familiar ?

Sure ... immigration rallies, May 2006.

by dblhelix 2007-09-16 01:21PM | 0 recs

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Ha Ha Ha Ha !

Yeah, that's where she got it from.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 01:23PM | 0 recs

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Actually, its origin is as the rallying cry for Chavez's United Farm Workers Union -- which was co-organized by Dolores Huerta, an early Clinton endorser. I heard her lead crowds for Clinton back in May with Yes, We Can! - ¡Sí, Se Puede! and nobody would claim that she does not have the historical bona fides to appropriate the call.

I know you've got better stuff than this in your arsenal, Blue Diamond!

by dblhelix 2007-09-16 01:49PM | 0 recs

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Good luck with that spin.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 02:07PM | 0 recs

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Re: Tom Harkin Steak Fry

jgarcia:

She gave the abridged version of the stump speech she unveiled in New Hampshire on Labor Day.

by hwc 2007-09-16 01:46PM | 0 recs

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What an idiot, Hillary Clinton is.

"Vote for me, I don't have a penis."

That's basically all that she is saying.

I'll turn my television set back when this crap is over with.

Hillary Clinton is appealing to the Dumbest Common Denominator, which is what people who base a "PRESIDENTIAL" vote on gender, are.

Maybe someone should ask Hillary Clinton if she thinks Karen Hughes would make a great President, since Hughes has also given birth to children.

by OE 2007-09-16 12:43PM | 0 recs

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C'mon you are just pissed she has had the best performance and reception so far .

She knows what she is doing , she touched all her constituencies in her performance , it was a beautiful sight.

by lori 2007-09-16 12:46PM | 0 recs

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That "OE" is such a sour-grapes nasty and bitter poster.

by jgarcia 2007-09-16 12:48PM | 0 recs

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No, I just don't believe in biting my tongue when I see someone pulling a fast one.

That's what Hillary Clinton was doing.

You can best believe that that little ROVIAN tactic of hers has been focused-grouped.

I'm so glad that people like me and Albert Einstein, the Introverted Thinkers & Extraverted Intuitives can see through this crap, but when we only make up 3% of the population, most of the rest of you will never get it until it's too late...as usual.

Peace.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:39PM | 0 recs

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Geez, to equal yoursel to Einstein? I'm about to throw up...

by areyouready 2007-09-16 01:50PM | 0 recs

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The personality type...the way the mind works. I am not "Einstein," and I didn't "equal" myself to him. We are the same personality types.

by OE 2007-09-16 02:10PM | 0 recs

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Chris Dodd is the best speaker so far.

He shows you the difference between someone who actually talks about SUBSTANCE and someone like Hillary Clinton who only talks about SELF.

She's a joke.

"MAKE HISTORY WITH ME STARTING IN IOWA."

That has to be the dumbest thing that I have ever heard in my life.

Thank you Chris Dodd for actually TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MATTERS.

by OE 2007-09-16 12:50PM | 0 recs

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so what do you have to say , dodd also asked for their votes .

i hope you are mad about that.

by lori 2007-09-16 12:57PM | 0 recs

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No, because he didn't say "VOTE FOR ME, I'M A MAN."

Unlike Hillary Clinton whose sales pitch was "MAKE ME THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT."

What a joke.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:02PM | 0 recs

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Not to women. I'm too polite to call

you a dummy.

by bookgrl 2007-09-16 01:03PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

If any of the male candidates stood up and said, "VOTE FOR ME, I'M A MAN," that would be as dumb as Hillary Clinton saying vote for her because she's a woman.

You apparently think it's completely fine to make a sales pitch on something that superficial.

I'm glad that ALL WOMEN aren't that superficial.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:20PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

Do you have 'angry white man' syndrome? LOL.

by areyouready 2007-09-16 01:21PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

Apparently you have a stereotype of the "WHITE MALE," if you are so sure that I am one.

Go ahead, tell me. What are my demographics?

by OE 2007-09-16 01:33PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

You can have angry white man syndrome without being white or a man. That's why it's called a syndrome.

by bowiegeek 2007-09-16 07:08PM | 0 recs

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I'm not superficial.

I would never vote Hillary just because she is a woman, but her gender will make her election victory meaningful to me in a way that can't be true of anyone else.

by bookgrl 2007-09-16 01:24PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

"SHE" made a superficial sales pitch.

I am so glad that all women aren't superficial.

That ROVIAN TACTIC of the Clinton campaign is meant to SLAP MEN, not women. Meant to make some men feel "guilt" if they don't support Hillary Clinton, like they aren't doing it just because she's a woman, instead of the fact that she's a corporate Democrat and an incrementalist.

For some women, they'd probably agree with me that her saying that is ridiculous.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:35PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

The real sad thing is that there are still women like you who are lacking of self-respect, hate smart and determined women. They feel threatened by these women.

by areyouready 2007-09-16 02:06PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

Clever. You used the same tactic that Hillary Clinton did in her speech.

To even ACCUSE someone of lacking self-respect and hating smart and determined women, just because they don't support Hillary Clinton is an insult in and of itself, and a sign that you have a low level of intelligence.

The only thing that Hillary Clinton, as a potential nominee "threatens", is Democratic House and Senate seats in 2008.

Most men, like those on Dailykos, DU, or MyDD, love intelligent and determined women. We don't view women as property.

We view them as EQUALS, so we are going to equally criticize their politics. Women here should do the same.

Hillary Clinton used a Rovian tactic, plain and simple.

by OE 2007-09-16 02:17PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

Do you even know what "Rovian" means?

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 02:25PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

I wouldn't even have made a big deal about it if even one of her supporters would have just agreed that Hillary Clinton saying "make history with me beginning in Iowa...so that your little girls, blah, blah, blah" was a shameless ploy. The type of things that Karl Rove does on a regular basis.

But when they just defend that crap, which I know that they don't really believe, it makes my blood boil.

I can't help it, even though I do feel bad after my emotions get the worst of me, and I call people stupid or naive:

Finally, the dominant Ti function means that the INTP takes his interests and beliefs very seriously. Honesty and directness when explaining these interests are usually displayed. INTPs detest facades and particulary dislike people who exhibit them. Equally, those kind of people also dislike INTPs and avoid them at all cost, for they know that the INTP will see right through them. The INTP's serious nature also makes them almost immune to mockery and being made fun of, at least when face to face with their mocker. If someone attempts to make a sarcastic, mocking comment about an interest of an INTP, the latter will defend himself with a pure, almost naive seriousness, explaining his position with a severe exactness, wielding his words like swords. This almost always disarms the mocker who does not expect such a penetrating defence. The INTPs defence usually also contains a subtle but biting attack thrown back in the mocker's face, chiefly because the INTP cannot entirely hide the fact that he believes his opponent to be stupid.

by OE 2007-09-16 02:09PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

Hillary's supporters do not do her any favors on the "internets". They offer, bar none, the stupidest political arguments that you will see on Democratic blogs, other than those of rank wingnut trolls.

It is one thing to support your candidate. It is another thing to offer patently bogus arguments that insult the intelligence of all involved.

Like many informed Democrats, I am leaning towards Edwards, accepting of Obama, and hoping for Gore. But that doesn't mean that I would withhold criticism of any of them, if I thought they screwed up. For instance, I still maintain that Gore ran a lousy campaign in 2000, Obama was a fool for sticking by Lieberman in CT, and Edwards caved on his war vote. Hell, I even criticized Edwards for his cheap shot at Hillary's wardrobe in a past debate.

BTW, I too am an INTP. I don't recall that portion of the personality type before but it is dead-on bullseye.

p.s. stop procrastinating.

by space 2007-09-16 03:55PM | 0 recs

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Re: I'm not superficial.

If Edwards said it it would not matter because every American President has been White male. Your analogy is void.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 02:14PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

Why are you still here? You are the most vile person on this site and bring NOTHING to the debate. All you do is spew empty words that is intended to get a rise out of civilized posters and unwarrantly attack the presidential candidates because you don't agree with what they say. You're no different from a far-right attack machine.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 01:29PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

Actually, HILLARY CLINTON IS NO DIFFERENT than the right-wing attack machine, which is why she it using Rovian tactics.

"Vote for me, or else you are putting down a woman" -- essentially what she was saying, is the equivalent of Karl Rove trying to make Bush Pastor-in-Chief, to appeal to 25 million White evangelicals.

Different group, same tactic.

She didn't appeal to "ideals."

Make history with me is a joke. Why didn't she campaign for CAROL MOSELY-BRAUN and say the same thing?

Well, we know why, of course.

by OE 2007-09-16 02:04PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

Because she was for Clark.

by bowiegeek 2007-09-16 07:09PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not to women. I'm too polite to call

I'm not. The person is a dumb ass. And that is a slight to asses everywhere.

by DoIT 2007-09-16 03:59PM | 0 recs

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Why are you so angry? LOL.

by areyouready 2007-09-16 01:09PM | 0 recs

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hillary doing well gives people high blood pressure!

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-16 01:13PM | 0 recs

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What kind of message is "MAKE HISTORY WITH ME," aka, "I'm your girllllllllllllllllll."

What a joke.

Hillary Clinton is playing the same DUMB mind games that the Bushes pay.

And can someone tell me why Harkin's wife -- WHO HAS ENDORSED CLINTON -- and Clinton herself keep looking over in John Edwards' direction?

Well, we know that's the only one the Clinton team has ever bene the least concerned about, in the first place.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:17PM | 0 recs

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Is it wrong to make history?

You definitely need to calm down, otherwise you may need to seek asylum in another country for the next 8 years...

I'm sorry for you...

LOL.

by areyouready 2007-09-16 01:19PM | 0 recs

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It is ROVIAN to make a sales pitch, "MAKE HISTORY WITH ME STARTING WITH THE IOWA CAUCUSES."

She apparently thinks her positions on the issues aren't good enough for her to actually win the nomination once the voting starts, so she instead decides to appeal to the DUMBEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, by appealing to tribal instincts, in this case, superficiality.

Don't be sorry for me. Be sorry for yourself, because you will be the one who pays in the end.

They say that a prophet is never welcome in his own house. The message, is someone telling the truth if other people don't see it, will always be ignored, just like I was right about everything about the 2004 election, and I'm right about everything I'm saying now.

You know, some people actually get paid a lot of money just to say the things that I am saying. Just ask Karl Rove, Bob Shrum, and so on.

It's nothing but strategy, understanding how people think, and how "FRAMING" works.

Hillary Clinton made a superficial sales pitch today, and it was a joke.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:28PM | 0 recs

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You're acting incredibly trollish. n/t

by bookgrl 2007-09-16 01:30PM | 0 recs

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And this isn't?

"You definitely need to calm down, otherwise you may need to seek asylum in another country for the next 8 years..."

He made the point that "Making history with her" and instead of arguing that, areyouready says he needs to calm down or go to a mental hospital. Come on. At least play fair here.

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-16 01:33PM | 0 recs

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Re: And this isn't?

Typo

Making history with her" comment has no substantial value for any positions and instead of arguing that... etc.

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-16 01:34PM | 0 recs

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Re: And this isn't?

Incredible, Jeremiah. Are you saying YOU don't see anything wrong with OE hijacking this diary to write post after post about Hillary Clinton's ROVIAN TACTICS in this speech? You wrote many posts about areyouready, who clearly brings a lot more to the table than OE. I wish sometimes some of you would jump over your own shadows and see when someone from your end of the totem pole (not liking Clinton) writes nonsensical posts on a consistent basis.

by georgep 2007-09-16 02:45PM | 0 recs

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Re: You're acting incredibly trollish. n/t

Hey, I just point it out.

Hillary Clinton was employing a Rovian tactic.

If her supporters are going to ignorantly defend her right to be Rove-lite, then I'm going to tell them that's what they are doing.

If Edwards does something stupid, I'm honest enough to say it.

by OE 2007-09-16 02:01PM | 0 recs

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What a fucking idiot!

by DoIT 2007-09-16 03:57PM | 0 recs

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Clinton is lacking in college for all

She wants to make tech training and jobs for those who don't make it to college.

Got to love Edwards in College for those who want it! Available to all.

by dk2 2007-09-16 12:53PM | 0 recs

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Ah, no. She has advocated

affordable college for all, but she recognizes most young people won't finish college and many won't attend at all. This isn't just a matter of affordability. Newsflash! Some young people don't want to go to college, and many jobs require additional training(which is what she is advocating) for jobs but NOT college degree's. In fact, a liberal arts education often isn't applicable to jobs in fields such as mechanics or even truck driving(a thriving field). I'd be very surprised if JE did not share her views.

by bookgrl 2007-09-16 01:00PM | 0 recs

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News flash back!

Many more would if they could. The enrollment in states that give scholaships from the lotto money proves that if they have it many more will go.

College enrollments up in states that offer lottery money scholarships.

by dk2 2007-09-16 01:21PM | 0 recs

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Re: News flash back!

She has plans to make college affordable. This is such a typical elitist attitude. Many jobs require a different sort of education than a liberal arts college degree. We have to address everyones needs. There are opportunities in this economy and certainly the coming green economy that can not be realized just with college education. Imagining that college is the only option is actually not helpful to young people who want jobs and training, but not necessarily a classroom style education.

by bookgrl 2007-09-16 01:36PM | 0 recs

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Re: Ah, no. She has advocated

I've heard Clinton give a little background on her call from technical training. Specifically her talking to car dealerships who can't find young auto mechanics to hire -- good, solid working class jobs that go wanting because we aren't doing a good job training young people.

I think this is one of the stronger components of her education pitch.

by hwc 2007-09-16 01:40PM | 0 recs

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Re: Ah, no. She has advocated

It still isn't the same as college if they want it!

It's great for those who want it because that is what profession they want, but it is a alternative choice to those who can not afford college!

College for those who want it is better!

by dk2 2007-09-16 01:54PM | 0 recs

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Re: Ah, no. She has advocated

A liberal arts education may not be applicable to this or that but it is a well rounded education that allows a person to "reason" almost any given situation. We need a lot more of that.

by DoIT 2007-09-16 04:08PM | 0 recs

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I'm frankly sick and tired of John Edwards trying to stay nice while being critical.

I'm also sick of this "BROTHERS AND SISTERS" junk. No one wants to hear it.

Just make your point and sit down, and stop trying to "FEEL" people.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:04PM | 0 recs

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Who the hell do you like?

Only Dodd?

by bookgrl 2007-09-16 01:06PM | 0 recs

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Re: Who the hell do you like?

I support John Edwards for President, but I call it like it is.

It's not a matter of "WHO" I like, it's a matter of whether I like "WHAT" I'm hearing.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:08PM | 0 recs

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Well, I find you hypercritical.

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

I find you naive.

I am not HYPERCRITICAL.

I point out "WHAT IS." That's highly observant.

We, the People of the United States, are the employers, not these candidates.

It is my job as a citizen to be critical. I can support a candidate with my vote and dollars, and still be critical of them.

John Edwards is finishing strong. He started weak.

Does that make me highly critical, or just honest? I say, it makes me honest.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:13PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

One of the reasons you were critical of Hillary with blinders on was because she asked people to caucus for her , now even Edwards asked for people to caucus for him , are you angry about that ?

No one is not asking you to be critical , but when you do it with a certain bias like we all do , then we know where you are coming from.

by lori 2007-09-16 01:16PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

Don't come up with the line that she said " Vote for me because I am a woman ".

That is part of her selling point , just like she says vote for me so we get UHC , Global warming etc and she has every right to use it. Just like other candidates use their own points.

by lori 2007-09-16 01:24PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

Well, then she's making a superficial, Rovian sales pitch, that's a form of reverse psychology.

Does she want people who don't vote for her to feel guilty for not supporting a "woman"? Of course she does, which is why she uses it.

I'm calling it when I see it.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:30PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

These are questions that I wish she would answer:

On Iraq, why did you say the troop surge was working in August, yet suggest Petraeus was lying about its gains?

You say you will bring the troops home and you voted to cut off funding, but also said you believe America needs to keep a force in Iraq to fight terrorists. Explain the contradiction

by BDM 2007-09-16 01:38PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

She did say the surge was working in Al Anbar, which was an accurate statement, but she never said Patraeus was lying about the gains in Al Anbar.

She did vote to cut off funding, mainly as a symbol to the President to urge him to change course. She believes America needs a small force in Iraq because if you have not noticed, there are still many terrorist around Iraq.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 01:54PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

Then she is being deceptive to say she will end the war with a residual force in Iraq of approximately 60,000 troops or more which will engage in combat with the result of more american combat fatalities.

How many more americans will die with Hillary's plan for leaving a residual force in Iraq if she win's the presidency?

I have been to war so this is no academic exercise on my part.

by BDM 2007-09-16 02:04PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

I don't see deception considering she has publically stated we may need a residual force. Deception will be saying we don't need a residual force and then leaving a residual force once President.

The only Democratic candidates who want a pull out NOW is Richardson and Kucinich. You should not asking how many more soldiers will die, but how to we pull out effectively and in a way that does not further threaten the security of Iraq, the region and the U.S.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 02:21PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

Why do you believe that right wing frame of those issues.

This reminds me of 1968 of those who said we could not leave vietnam because of security in the area and the spread of a regional conflict with the Communists taking over.

They were wrong then and are wrong today.

Edwards advocates only troops in Iraq for protecting the embassy and humanitarian workers,

Other forces in the region if necessary for Al Queda operations. This is a difference from the other two front runners.

by BDM 2007-09-16 03:01PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

You obviously did not understand what I said, as many Edwards supports seem to do. Misrepresent.

"You should not asking how many more soldiers will die, but how to we pull out effectively and in a way that does not further threaten the security of Iraq, the region and the U.S."

Read it carefully.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 03:05PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

"You should not asking how many more soldiers will die, but how to we pull out effectively and in a way that does not further threaten the security of Iraq, the region and the U.S."

I don't believe this meme from the right wing establishment.

We need to pull out as quickly as possible. We do no good staying in Iraq as an occupying force. The longer we are their more americans die for nothing.

Have you ever been in combat. I have been in combat in Vietnam and I know the horror and destruction of war. It is easy for you to talk about staying because you have never probably been to war and it is of no consequence to you.

In the final analysis Iraq will fall or become some sort of government on their own without america proping them up.

My prediction, is that we will eventually be forced to leave and their will be chaos and violence as their is now.

by BDM 2007-09-16 05:28PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

"She did say the surge was working in Al Anbar, which was an accurate statement, but she never said Patraeus was lying about the gains in Al Anbar."

We've seen gains in Al Anbar. I believe it is more due to Shia tribes turning against Al-Qaida vs. a product of the surge.

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-16 02:36PM | 0 recs

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Re: Well, I find you hypercritical.

Also correct. Well done.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 02:58PM | 0 recs

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John Edwards can be so naive.

If his health care plan costs $90-120 billion dollars, and you can save $120 billion through cost saving measures that are included in his plan, then if the plan only costs $90 billion, you make $30 billion.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:07PM | 0 recs

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Spit just popped up on John Edwards' mouth, lol.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:10PM | 0 recs

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He does that when he's really serious. He used to spit all the time back in 2004. I know. I was his supporter and I analysed everything. It used to annoy me.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 01:20PM | 0 recs

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It happens to me when I have been lecturing for a long time. There's really nothing that can be done about it.

by misscee 2007-09-16 01:53PM | 0 recs

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I can see Joe Biden. He's going to go after John Edwards over that "funding bill" line.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:10PM | 0 recs

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Obama / Edwards 2008

There's no doubt about that now.

All I saw Dodd doing was rehearsing for Vice President.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 01:13PM | 0 recs

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Looks like Biden is also rehearsing for Vice President.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 01:18PM | 0 recs

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Re: Tom Harkin Steak Fry

So OE says Hillary Clinton is an idiot. Why the Hate? Your childish behavior does not help your candidate.

by Justify My Vote 2007-09-16 01:18PM | 0 recs

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If you smoked crack, should I hate your parents?

I don't have "a candidate." I support one with money and my vote, that's it. Beyond that, I don't have anything, and neither do you.

by OE 2007-09-16 01:57PM | 0 recs

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What do I think?

I think there is TOO MUCH reporting on a steak fry and speeches and hardly any about the protest in DC.

As the netroots and bloggers, we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not promoting and coving the protest in a BIG way!

by kevin22262 2007-09-16 01:21PM | 0 recs

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Sorry, while i am against this war, i dont support communists like PSL and other groups who are basically running the ANSWER coalition

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-16 01:41PM | 0 recs

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Re: What do I think?

we on the left are lame.

by kevin22262 2007-09-16 03:46PM | 0 recs

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no, i'm on the left, but i dont support communism and think it brings more harm than good to a society.

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-16 04:13PM | 0 recs

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not what I mean.

The protest were not about communism. The majority of people there were not communist or about communism

In all protest you get different groups. They were just one of many.

We on the left are lame for not seeing through that and supporting the protest.

by kevin22262 2007-09-16 08:17PM | 0 recs

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ahh gotcha - the thing is, PSL uses it as a breeding ground. my cousin was swept up into it because she went to an ANSWER protest here in NYC. Now she is off the wall.

Almost everyone in PSL is in ANSWER and i dont think the groups are mutually exclusive anymore.

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-18 01:16PM | 0 recs

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Re: Tom Harkin Steak Fry

Love Hillary. Was also very impressed and moved by Edwards' speech. Sigh, so many great candidates.

by Coral 2007-09-16 01:40PM | 0 recs

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It's great when some people get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis cuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address =132x3525259

by OE 2007-09-16 01:45PM | 0 recs

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Clinton stole this, Clinton stole that. Cry. Cry. Cry.

Seriously, it is getting old.

by RJEvans 2007-09-16 02:01PM | 0 recs

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She copied all of them because she knows she looks like a fool talking about polls and "I'm in it to win it !" all the time. That was getting old.

by BlueDiamond 2007-09-16 02:09PM | 0 recs

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I am not sure, not totally sure you understand, that The HIll's clarion call:

"the era of cowboy diplomacy is over, America is back!"

Is going to be perceived by the other nations of the world as such a great thing.

Mexican-American War...

The Phillipines...

Vietnam....

Lebanon...

Israel....

I thought The Hill had all this great 'experience'. This statement shows just how laughable that meme is. Of course she wasn't saying this to the folks overseas.

Nope....

This was for the vast mass of Americans who still think people over there like us.

In short, for the fat fools glued to their TVs and their gas-guzzlers who believe we give the most foreign aid of any nation.

Sorry, Hill no low-info voters hangin' here.
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by Pericles 2007-09-16 02:19PM | 0 recs

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I just got back from it (skipped the Biden speech as he makes me sick). There were a LOT of people who left, or at least exited from the front after Obama's speech, mostly younger people though to be honest all of the "big three" had lots of younger operatives in the crowd.

I was impressed by Hillary's passion and intensity, and while I will class it as "shrill" in my efforts to work against her, I must honestly say it made a favorable impression on me.

Obama was good with the not funding but again I just felt like he was speaking in abstract, not nearly as concrete as the other speakers were. I really want to like Obama but I just can't.

Richardson and Dodd both echoed words about the national service program that I support (and would definitely take part in, debt or no debt). Richardson said some good things especially in regards to education and energy. I wish Dodd were viable and Richardson was the VP.

Edwards was solid and good as always some strong populist words but he talks so much about the poor I wonder if he makes the middle-class feel like he will ignore or hurt them with that focus.

I am still an Edwards leaner.

by MNPundit 2007-09-16 02:40PM | 0 recs

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I watched Hillary's speech on C-Span. I love her passiona and intensity, but I agree with you she's almost shouting... lol. Not sure whether it's working well on the spot. Glad she's left a good impression on you.

by areyouready 2007-09-16 02:49PM | 0 recs

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I thought she was a bit hoarse and shrill.

Nothing special in her speech and to me it certainly didn't stand out.

I thought Edwards gave the best speech of the group.

For disclosure, I am not an Edwards supporter yet.

by BDM 2007-09-16 02:56PM | 0 recs

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Look , man you use of " shrill " is ridiculous . You have already made your point in your comments that you don't see her in favourable light , so I won't take you seriously.

Using the word " Shrill " doesn't help your case , tell me how did Chris Dodd sound . Did he sound shrill ?

by lori 2007-09-16 03:20PM | 0 recs

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Hillary bellowed.

by misscee 2007-09-16 03:41PM | 0 recs

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Shrill means loud screeching sound which is un-pleasant to the ear.

Un-fortunatrly Hillary has a tendency to sound like this. Too bad she doesn't have Bill's rhetorical skills.

by BDM 2007-09-16 05:31PM | 0 recs

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Yeah, Biden's speech focusing on ending the war in Iraq wasn't worth listening to. It's not like he even has a plan for bringing about a political solution. Move on, nothing to see here....

by Norm91 2007-09-16 09:26PM | 0 recs

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As far as John Edwards goes-he says lots of the right things now that he has been running for President for 3-4 years but I can't stop wondering how, in this day and age of global warming and care of the environment, could he build a 28,000 sq ft house-with an indoor squash court no less (imagine how much energy it would take to light that baby)-that's a Walmart for goodness sake-How can he justify that and talk about the environment- can someone explain it to me?

by Menemshasunset 2007-09-16 03:31PM | 0 recs

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Damn I wish I was where you are. Great diary!

by DoIT 2007-09-16 03:55PM | 0 recs

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Hillary gave her usual well prepared laundry list of stuff. In addition, she loves to tell people what they want to hear. I have been noticing this more and more.

Liking Biden more and more for his pasion.

Like Edwards too.

Obama is seriously looking strong. It amazes me how far he has come and how he is giving everyone a run for the money. Just look at his organization! Gotta give him credit. Liked when he spoke of himself having the two decades of experience. l'm liking what I see!

by 100 PCT 2007-09-16 04:40PM | 0 recs

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How can you say Obama is looking strong? Sure he has lots of money and can afford big support on the ground but honestly- his poll numbers are flat at best- If he were a woman he wouldn't even be in contention- no way- He's the future for the party - too bad he couldn't wait until he had some gravitas. As one of the pundits put it-he's a great first date but oh that second -not so good-
Check out Washington Post: War Critics Question Obama's Fervor
Some Say Actions Don't Match Talk
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/09/14/AR2007091402254. html

Read that and then tell me he's looking strong-

by Menemshasunset 2007-09-16 06:02PM | 0 recs

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I watched tonight. Saw all but Obama, who I chose not to watch.

Watched the rest, and loved what I saw. Everyone was on fire. So much passion, so much fire. Everyone provided great style and substance.

While I love Edwards, and he was great as always, I really liked Biden's speech. Hillary was great, as was Dodd. Richardson provided a lot of bold ideas but I think he's dreaming a bit.

Of the 5 I saw, any of them will work for me. Unlike 2004, I really am finding myself having less of a preference. Maybe this is what George Bush has done to me.

by takingbackamerica 2007-09-16 08:26PM | 0 recs

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Hillary Clinton had a good line. She said that the day after she is elected (she won't wait for inauguration) she'll send representatives to travel the world and send the message: "the era of cowboy diplomacy is over, America is back!"

Kind of ironic, as that line is basically a staple of the stump speech Obama has been using for over a month. I heard him deliver it down here in Miami not 4 weeks ago.

Something like:

"I want to go before the UN and tell them, 'America is back!'"

LOL.

It got great applause.

Indeed, I believe someone posted a diary on this site a couple weeks ago about attending an Obama event in San Fran (it may have been on DKos though) that had video of the entire speech, you can watch it and see for yourself.

Classic. The most noteworthy part of Hillary's speech was a rip off.

by mopper8 2007-09-17 07:10AM | 0 recs

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Some documentation:

Obama: America is Back!
guest column

By Matthew Sutton of Central Point, Oregon. Matthew is an attorney and a grassroots supporter of Barack Obama.

Speaking to an energized crowd of over 4,000 people in Portland, Oregon on Friday night, Sept. 7th, Senator Barack Obama foretold of his message to the rest of the world upon his election:

"America is Back!" ...to work with you in addressing the major problems facing the world we live in.

Not the arrogant America of the last several years, but the America characterized by the fundamental decency of its people. Senator Obama reminded us of the hope and optimism that has helped the United States overcome so many greater problems in our Nation's history.

Well done Hillary

linky

by mopper8 2007-09-17 07:20AM | 0 recs

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Or you can just watch it for yourself, here, it's at 1:40..."I'm lookin forward to going before the United Nations General Assembly and saying, 'America is back!'"

He's been using that line for at least a month.

by mopper8 2007-09-17 07:29AM | 0 recs