Huckabee Rising

Amazing what 2500 non-binding votes at a Republican Party fundraiser will get you. According to the latest ARG poll (600 Republican LVs, August 26-29, MoE+/- 6%), Mike Huckabee is on fire in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina:

CandidateIowaN.H.S.C.
Romney27279
Giuliani172326
Huckabee1499
Thompson13821
Gingrich746
McCain51212
Hunter1--
Paul132
Brownback - 12
Tancredo---
Undecided151312

(Showing last month's numbers makes the handy table very cluttered so you can check out the histories by clicking each of the state names above.)

To put Huckabee's standing in context, in the last ARG poll, taken in July prior to Huckabee's second place finish at the Iowa Straw poll earlier this month, he was polling at 1% in Iowa and New Hampshire and at 3% in South Carolina. Today he is competitive with the "top tier" in all three states. By contrast, the only appreciable bump Romney, who actually won the straw poll, got was a 6 point boost in Iowa (sadly Brownback's 3rd place straw poll finish actually resulted in a drop in support in Iowa from 1% in July to -- now.)

Pointing to perhaps the real reason Fred Thompson finally announced today that he intends to get into the race next Thursday, while Huckabee surged 6 points in South Carolina, Thompson dropped 6 points; and in New Hampshire, while Huckabee surged 8 points, Thompson dropped 5. Interestingly, Thompson remained unmoved in Iowa by Romney's and Huckabee's surges there; the same can not be said for Giuliani and McCain who plummeted 5 points and 12 points (!) respectively.

So, how's that whole skipping the straw poll thing working out for you, guys?

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Iowa, Mike Huckabee, New Hampshire, Republican, South Carolina (all tags)

Comments

65 Comments

Re: Huckabee Rising

As I told someone one on another thread.

A person who supports the fair tax will never get elected to the oval office. Democrats obviously oppose it adamantly but most Republicans hate it.

When the WSJ and the Club for Growth are bashing your regressive tax plan you know its doesnt have a chance

by world dictator 2007-08-30 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

He's one of the ones who doesn't believe in evolution, too. Maybe I'm naive, but I certainly -hope- that'd drag him down in the general.

by BingoL 2007-08-30 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

You'd think that not believing in evolution would be a bigger deal than a belief in the fair tax...and yet I bet its not.

I agree with you though. But to be fair I think Huckabee explains his non belief in evolution the best.

by world dictator 2007-08-30 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

How does Huckabee explain it best. He does a cop out saying basically saying "I know jack shit other then god made it, and if evolution is the method he chose so be it." He's backed off at least in recent media his evolution denying ways. But then again there is no good way to deny evolution, it is almost the equivalent scientifically denying that gravity exists.

by pierredude 2007-08-30 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

And thats the best method one could have for explaining "not believing" in evolution. Personally I think he does believe in it.

by world dictator 2007-08-30 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I agree. After being excited a while by his personality, I've cooled down. This guy will never get elected. His platform is crazy. To have a flat income tax system, and then tell voters he's going to tax them at 25% rate for everything purchased from Wal-Mart?

He is a non-starter in general election. Don't believe GOP will nominate him...

by areyouready 2007-08-30 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

He WILL however be VP. A danger to the democrats if we don't pick the right VP

by world dictator 2007-08-30 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

The 25% sales tax is supposed to replace the income tax.  Not supplement it.

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-08-30 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I actually thought the GOP liked the "fair tax".  I remember hearing Rudy Giuliani getting booed for not endorsing it.  O_o

Oh well.

by Namtrix 2007-08-30 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Yes, they like it. But when dems start to run ads on how these folks are going to tax you at 25% rate for everything you purchase from Wal-Mart...

He's a non-starter despite a likable personality.

by areyouready 2007-08-30 05:43PM | 0 recs
Fair Tax is very Green

Since there is no tax on used items people will be directed away from new items which should help the Earth.

However, converting to the Fair Tax is a real problem with lots of losers.

by NCJim 2007-08-31 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Fair Tax is very Green

Yes because old used items are usually so much cleaner than new items.

Thats just BS.

Thats the kind of comment a republican trolling on a democrat site would say.

Though in the spirit of charity, I'll just own it up to being a stupid comment though.

by world dictator 2007-09-01 04:09AM | 0 recs
Well, well, well...

Watch this space.  This is an insurgent candidate who is a potential threat to the highly overrated notion that the 2008 election is going to be a walk-through.  And nobody is going to give a toss about his tax plan if he looks like he has momentum.  I have stated many times that I believe the Republican primary campaign is many months behind compared to ours and it is still very early days yet for them.

I wish I had put money on him on InTrade back in February, that's for sure.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-08-30 05:36PM | 0 recs
Texas too

I ran a Texas poll last night and Huckabee was up from 7% in June to 13% now. Romney was also up 6, McCain down 5, Thompson down 4, though still leading Giuliani, who was flat (don't tell Trump).

Haven't published yet but I'll have the details at my site later tonight or tomorrow.

One thing with the GOP - lots of gender gaps. Huckabee, Thompson and Paul do much better with men while Giuliani does much better with women. Romney has more balance, but several points better among men. Women are much more likely to be undecided.

I also got a very passionate endorsement from a Ron Paul supporter on my voicemail, but he'll be disappointed to hear that Paul slipped from 6% to 5%.

by IVR Polls 2007-08-30 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Texas too

can you do more polls on democratic side, especially IA and NH? Maybe some head-to-head matchups against GOPers in some weird places such as Arkansas, West Virginia where nobody polls.

by areyouready 2007-08-30 05:57PM | 0 recs
Mostly democratic polls

I'm in Texas and have a copy of the vote file, so it's not expensive to do the GOP here. The list is the majority of my cost. I do a Texas Dem poll for the Burnt Orange Report and will do the same for any other Dem state blogger that can get me access to their vote file. The BOR poll for this month is complete and will be up at their site in the next few days. No big movement in the Dem primary, but I also did the Sen primary for the first time.

by IVR Polls 2007-08-30 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Texas too

I think theres enough polling being done in IA and NH

by world dictator 2007-09-01 04:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Is there any doubt that Edwards would beat Romney in places like NC, VA, SC, GA, TN, and OK?

That's the GOP's biggest fear.

Romney versus Edwards.  Romney would more than likely choose Mike Huckabee to try and help with evangelicals and southerners, but Edwards would have a great chance of winning those states against Romney, especially if he runs with Wes Clark.

by OE 2007-08-30 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

You are kidding, right?

You can study the vote totals by state in the 2004 election here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/r esults/president/

NC was a 12% Republican win.
VA was an 8% Republican win.
SC was a 17% Republican win.
GA was a 17% Republican win.
TN was a 14% Republican win.
OK was a 32% Republican win.

The only one of those states that is even remotely in play for the 2008 Presidential race is Virginia...and that is very, very remote. It would take a landslide Democratic win nationally for VA to flip. Forget about the other states you mention.

by hwc 2007-08-30 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

You're way off mark.  Just because Kerry performed badly in the south does not mean every Democrat will.  

Edwards is actually from the south, like George Bush in 04.  Romney, on the other hand, is a wealthy, New England, flip-flopping Mormon.  The situation is almost reversed this time around.  Also, the country has changed a lot since the last election.  George Bush won as a war-time incumbent, but now the country has shifted decidedly against him.

by Namtrix 2007-08-30 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I sure hope you're right, Namtrix. Dems can certainly perform better in the South than Kerry did, and I think NC is almost as much in play as VA, but it's still the biggest uphill battle we face.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-08-30 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

All of the states just mentioned are totally irrelevant to a Democratic Presidential landslide in the general election.

Kerry states plus Ohio, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, West Virginia, and/or Arizona. Those are the states that are seriously in play for flipping from blue to red.

You guys are seriously mistaken if you think places like SC, GA, Tenn, or Oklahoma are in play.
Virginia's a big long shot. North Carolina is moving Democratic, but I don't think anyone believes it will be in play this time around.

You can study the electoral college map here:

www.270towin.com

by hwc 2007-08-30 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

You mean from red to blue. Nominate Hilary and it aint going to happen.

by Boilermaker 2007-08-31 04:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I disagree with the map. I think MN and NH will go Dem. With Hilary the nominee, NM, OR, MI and PA will be too close to call. NV, CO, WI, IA, FL and OH will be lost. With Edwards as the nominee, the Dems will win NM, OR, IA, MI and PA and CO, WI, OH and FL will be too close to call.

by Boilermaker 2007-08-31 04:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

It's an interactive map. Start with the 2004 actual results.

Seriously. Of course, NH and Minnesota and Wisconsin will go Democratic. There is no way Clinton loses any Kerry states. Not happening.

Either Ohio or Florida gives the election to Clinton. Get both and you've got a solid win. More than that and you are looking at a blowout.

by hwc 2007-08-31 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I am not as optimistic about WI as you are with Hillary at the top of the ticket. To win Florida, the Dems probably need to get a Florida running mate..Bill Nelson comes to mind.

by Boilermaker 2007-08-31 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Yeah, just because Kerry faired badly doesn't mean that these states are competitive. It's the problem with the Hillary Clinton Campaign mindset of 50%+1=victory, something that Karl Rove is known for aiming at. Democrats should be aiming for 56% of the vote rather than 50.6% of the vote.

Though, some of those states are hopeless, but some of those states could flip. Virginia is the biggest example, with North Carolina w/ John Edwards, and the far-reaching possibilities with Tennessee and South Carolina.

The Midwest is also safe with John Edwards, seeing as how he is the choice among rural voters (and they compose significant margins in WI, MN and IA).

by KainIIIC 2007-08-31 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

This Hillary supporter is aiming for 300 to 320 electoral college votes. There's upside potential beyond that, probably as far as 350 to 188.

by hwc 2007-08-31 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

In 2004, Republicans weren't cratering in the Latino vote. Making allowances for the fact that the Cuban-Americans don't tend to vote in line with other Latinos, I still think the state could be won by a Democrat without a Floridian on the ticket.

That said, Florida isn't the state I'd be most optimistic about, as it didn't shown the same encouraging results as other regions in 2006.

by Englishlefty 2007-08-31 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

who doesn't beat Romney?

by world dictator 2007-09-01 04:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Future is Ames

When Iowa and New Hampshire lose their first-in-the-nation status due to 'primary envy' by all the other states, and we move to the simultaneous 50-state national primary, then all we'll have left will be non-binding straw polls. They'll be hugely important in the future, because actually everyone wants to see some kind of indicators, some tryouts, BEFORE the first big states vote.

Gee, I kinda preferred the good old days when a dozen primaries scattered around the country were enough, and they stretched from late February until early June. Of course, what that schedule lacked, the irredeemable flaw, was that not every state could be first. The same-day national primary will solve that problem. And leave us with Ames.

by Woody 2007-08-30 06:03PM | 0 recs
the lesson is that it was a huge bunder

for McCain and Giuliani not to compete -- while they avoided losing to Romney, they let Huckabee come in second and get good press.  

Well, maybe McCain would have finished behind Huckabee anyway, but I sure think Giuliani would have beat him.

by John DE 2007-08-30 06:14PM | 0 recs
Is this just good news for Giuliani?

Romney seems to be falter.  If some of these realy states split between the candidates, maybe Huckabee Iowa, Romney NH, Thompson SC, with Giuliani winning the later big states, like CA, FL, NY.  It just seems to me the Republic Part is in disarray.  No one is gravitating to anyone in particular.  If those votes split and Giuliani wins FL, then I think he will be the nom..

by bookgrl 2007-08-30 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this just good news for Giuliani?

The Republicans are in the same boat the Dems have been in several times...all their candidates really suck, for one reason or another. The Republican race is totally unstable.

by hwc 2007-08-30 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

As someone else said above- this is why the Democrats can not afford to have the hubris of thinking whoever wins the primary will have an easy time of the general. I say this because Huckabee is likeable and puts a new face on old crappy ideas, but its America, so a new face counts for half the battle. We can not afford to assume we have this wrapped up.

by bruh21 2007-08-30 07:06PM | 0 recs
Huckabee Rising

Somehow I just can't believe that someone named 'Huckabee' is ever going to be elected President.

by global yokel 2007-08-30 07:18PM | 0 recs
I like Huck

can't help it.  I think he is guinine and respect some of his choice in arkansas - especially post-Katrina.  I'm not going to vote for him, but I have a lot of respect for him... I think him vs. Obama would do a lot for the political dialouge in our country...they both seem fair minded and to have a purpose beyond themselves.

by CardBoard 2007-08-30 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

May I make a suggestion to Democrats?

Stop saying that you LIKE one of the Republican candidates. Good God Almighty....do Democrats want to lose?

Here's a clue. Democrats are supposed to tear down the Republican candidates and build up the Democratic candidates. Sheesh. We need to go back to the days of ward bosses to keep everyone in line!

by hwc 2007-08-30 07:22PM | 0 recs
not a healthy

attitude for our country

by CardBoard 2007-08-30 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I don't believe this for an instant. Voters are getting more and more fed up with that kind of recationary partisanship, and eventually it's going to show. There's nothing wrong with not painting your rival as the devil incarnate.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-08-30 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

this is what seperates Hillary supporters from the rest of us.  The people who want to pull a Rove on the Republicans this time vs. the people who want a change in how we do politics.

by CardBoard 2007-08-30 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Yeah, you are right. Love your enemy but tear down your friends. Typical democratic losers' attitude. No wonder they keep on losing.

by areyouready 2007-08-30 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Why do you have to tear down anyone?

by Nathan Empsall 2007-08-30 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

That is also an example of an unhealthy attitude...

by bowiegeek 2007-08-30 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Get back to me when you've voted for 40 years and celebrated Democratic victories three times.

I want to change how we do politics. I want to see a frickin' Democrat actually win the White House for a change.

by hwc 2007-08-30 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

MAybe we should stop playing the same games then.

by CardBoard 2007-08-31 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

The GOP hasn't been using slime tactics this way for 40 years, they've been using them this way since 1994. And we had the House and Senate for the bulk of that time, too.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-08-31 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

this is what seperates Hillary supporters from the rest of us
[...]
the people who want a change in how we do politics

Currently your "change" is limited to excluding a large part of the democratic party. Yeah. what an improvement.

by Ernst 2007-08-30 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Honestly don't understand what you mean.  Who is being excluded and from what?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-08-31 10:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

He complains about Clinton supporters not being inclusive enough in politics, while he has a history of comments that sets Clinton supporters apart from the rest of the posters here.

I found it striking to see him argue for inclusion while he regularly practices the reverse.

by Ernst 2007-09-01 03:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Maybe it is time that Hillary supporters and others mended a few fences around here.  The acrimony detracts from whatever common cause we share and, personally, I find the affect on the site disruptive from both perspectives.  Any thoughts?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-09-01 03:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

So you're advocating blind hatred towards people?

Yeah, that'll win us elections.

by Namtrix 2007-08-30 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I would also point out that elections are won by the best campaign. There is nothing to indicate that Mike Huckabee has a clue how to run and win a brass knuckle national election.

Who are his strategists? His pollsters? His finance guys? His ad guys? Folks, this is big league baseball. With the exception of a fluke election as a backlash to Watergate, amateurs don't win.

by hwc 2007-08-30 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

This is important to remember in the primary, but if he somehow got through (which I don't think will happen either, but you can't rule it out this far ahead), he wouldn't be quite such an amature for the General. The GOP would rally around him and the strategists, pollsters, PR guys, accountants, etc. from the other campaigns would join him.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-08-30 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

It's not as easy as it looks. There is an element of chemistry between the candidate and the strategists. The groundwork for a successful Presidential campaign starts years ahead of time.

You can't just go and hire a Bob Schrum or a Joe Trippi and hope to win Presidential elections.

by hwc 2007-08-30 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Good point.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-08-30 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

he doesn't have to run best campaign. the press has just got to like him and they do.

by bruh21 2007-08-30 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

McCain had all the best money could buy, and where did that get him?

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-08-30 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

It's kind of bizarre that the love showered to Huckabee by a supposed 'progressive' blog is more than from those right wing corners.

I checked freeper land and redstate, and did not find particular enthusiasm of Huckabee by those wingnuts. Some of his big government idea is definitely a non-starter for their base. I guess that's why he has some 'appeal' here.

by areyouready 2007-08-30 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I don't think he's getting any love here.  Just people giving a warning.  If he somehow wins the nomination, don't you think Tweety and the Big Punkinhead will slobber all over him?

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-08-30 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

read freepers' reaction to a Huckabee candidacy. I don't see any enthusiasm among their base at all. Rinse your hands after reading it...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news /1889134/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news /1888479/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news /1887878/posts

by areyouready 2007-08-30 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

I very much doubt Huckabee will win the Republican nomination, but he would certainly be a dangerous candidate in the general if he ever gets there.

by Korha 2007-08-30 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

As a resident of Arkansas, I would advise you not to take Huckabee too lightly. He is articulate, his speech is "soothing," and he actually has some legitimate "compassionate conservative" ideas ... things that will sound "reasonable" to many of the so-called Reagan Democrats and Independents. Add to that his background as a Baptist preacher and he fits the right-wing's idea of the perfect candidate. Right now, with closeted Repubs like Chris Matthews talking up Huckabee almost nightly and the MSM's desire for a good story, he may have more success than anyone could imagine.  I, like most, don't think he will win the nomination, but if he actually does "catch fire" in the early, small, primaries, he would be a formidable candidate come November of '08. Back in the day, who ever thought a Governor from a small state in the south (Arkansas) could actually become a nominee for president, much less win the general election!

by randron 2007-08-31 04:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Back in the day, who ever thought a Governor from a small state in the south (Arkansas) could actually become a nominee for president, much less win the general election!

Lots of people, actually. Bill Clinton had been tagged as a rising star with serious Presidential aspirations at least eight years before he ran in 1992. Bill and Hillary had been networking the Democratic Party since their law school days...actually going back a little further to his Rhodes Scholar days at Oxford for Bill. Many of his close political allies were people he met at Oxford. Hillary had been working the Children's Defense Fund side of the Party since Law School -- childrens issues, health care, education, etc.

by hwc 2007-08-31 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Huckabee Rising

Huck is a lot closer to the Reagan specter than any of the Candidates...In the  R debates so far he is the best speaker...his conservitive consistency is interrupted with things such as a tax hikes....but still way more in line than Rudi or Mitt

Once Thompson fades....and it won't take long..
Huck will take over...

Of course it is hard to predict how any of this will shake out after we bomb Iran...

by DenverD 2007-08-31 06:11AM | 0 recs

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