Did the RNC Just Strengthen the DNC's Hand re: Florida?

One of the most potent arguments against the Democratic National Committee taking any action to inhibit Florida's ability to hold a presidential primary in January (aside from, of course, the argument that voters in Iowa and New Hampshire shouldn't be entitled to anything other voters aren't entitled to) is that by stripping the Sunshine state's delegates, which the DNC has threatened to do, the Democratic Party may face negative repercussions in the general election. Tim Padgett, for one, expresses such a view in Time magazine this week. But does that argument hold water if the Republican National Committee is threatening to do the exact same thing?

The Republican National Committee plans to penalize at least four states holding early primaries, including New Hampshire and Florida, by refusing to seat at least half their delegates at the party's national convention in 2008, a party official said Tuesday.

Much of the focus in the primary scheduling fight up to now has been on the Democratic National Committee's moves to penalize Florida by not seating its convention delegates because of the state's decision to move up its primary. But the Republican rules are even more stringent, and the national party said today that it would not hesitate enforcing them.

As alluded to in the lede, the RNC is going one step further than the DNC, threatening not only Florida but also New Hampshire and South Carolina, two states who had exceptions carved out for them by the Democrats so that they are able to hold pre-February nominating contests. Perhaps, then, there will be extended debate over whether the Republicans are trying to kiss off not only Florida but also New Hampshire and even Michigan, whom they are also threatening? I'm not holding my breath. That said, the RNC's move, at least on its surface, seems to make it easier for the DNC to threaten sanctions against the RNC, if only for the fact that it would not, then, be alone in doing so.

Taking a step back, I think that the fronloading of the primary season coule lead to a huge mess, and that it's something that isn't a terribly good development. I write this not as a fan of Iowa and New Hampshire dominating the nominating process, because I certainly am not. In fact, as I have written before, I don't think that Iowa and New Hampshire have done a particularly good job at selecting nominees for the Democratic Party, at least judging by the results of the elections in the 30-plus years since the two states secured their most prominent positions. Instead, I write this as someone who tends to believe it's important for there to be at least some thought in designing the nominating process.

If there is some good to come out of this, perhaps it will be that the DNC will revisit its scheme for choosing a presidential nominee in a the most serious way since the late 1960s, when the nomination process was upended in the wake of the disastrous 1968 Democratic convention. In this case, there would be an opportunity to put some real thought and intention into reforming the process rather than throwing a bandaid here or there. Maybe I'm hoping for too much, though. Maybe we're in for an effective national primary for the time to come. But then again, maybe that wouldn't be the end of the world, either.

Tags: DNC, Florida, Florida Primaries, Primary Schedule, RNC (all tags)

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Re: Did the RNC Just Strengthen the DNC's Hand re:

I agree...this is the kind of thoughtfullness that kos has completely passed over at Daily Kos. He is so obsessed with ending the IA/NH monopoly that he oversees how disastrous this current arrangement is to the nominating process.

A national primary would be the absolute worst development in decades, and this leapfronging of the states is making the process ridiculous. The only people this helps are establishment candidates with big bucks that can carpetbomb big states with non-stop ads.

We need reform, but hoping that this mess will make it all pretty for 2012 ignores the fact that should the Democratic nominee win the general, it would only hinder reform since the 2012 primaries would be nothing more than symbolic since the nomination will be the incumbent's by default. If our nominee doesn't win however, waiting for 2012 is moronic since this election is too important to mess around with the way the states have been doing.

by need some wood 2007-08-28 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Did the RNC Just Strengthen the DNC's Hand re:

Where do you get the idea that Kos likes the current setup?  He dislikes it as much as anyone.

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-08-29 04:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Did the RNC Just Strengthen the DNC's Hand re:

A national primary would be better than the system that is emerging for 2007/2008. I don't like situations, like the one we are in now, where changing the rules at the last minute is a potential winning strategy. If the current system persists, we can expect candidates in 2012 to  build strategies around gaming the system, by getting their favorite states to move up the primary dates.

On the other hand, a national primary seems pretty impersonal, and even more vulnerable to manipulation by the same big corporations that have already purchased most of our political discourse.

by Mark Wallace 2007-08-28 09:40PM | 0 recs
Question

Can someone tell me what Florida democrats, who are the minority party in both chambers and the Govenor's mansion, were supposed to do in order to prevent the primary from being moved up or what they can do in order to move the primary schedule back?

I honestly don't know so if someone more informed about this could answer my question i'd appreciate it

by world dictator 2007-08-28 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Question

Hold a non-binding "beauty contest" on the legislated date and then choose the real delegates on the DNC sanctioned date.  Then they get seated.

by NvDem 2007-08-28 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Question

They could have started by not publicly supporting it at the time.  :-)

by Simon Stevenson 2007-08-29 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Question

kind of biased aren't you?

by world dictator 2007-08-29 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: National Primary

As I posted in an earlier diary, a national primary would not be as weighted to a well-known and -financed candidate if delegates were awarded by proportional vote per congressional district.  It's the winner-take-all formula (admittedly more common in Repub primaries than ours) that favors those christened as "inevitable" by the MSM.  

by CLLGADEM 2007-08-29 01:39AM | 0 recs
Re: National Primary

As far as I know, all Democratic primaries assign delegates proportionately, relative to the percentage of votes and none of them are winner-take-all, as some Republican primaries are..

by Anthony de Jesus 2007-08-29 01:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Did the RNC Just Strengthen the DNC's Hand re:

I've actually suggested that Iowa isn't really a bad first state, considering that it is one of the most ideologically representative states in the nation for both parties and because its relatively small population probably makes it financially less prohibitive for longshot candidates.  I would be happy with setting Iowa to be the traditional first state in the nation to decide delegates and give it a hard date with everyone else required to be behind it.

The thing that I hate is states having presidential primaries on different dates from primaries for other offices such as Congress and governor.  That always seemed wasteful to me.  Some states do presidential and Congressional primaries on the same day.  Others do not.

by Anthony de Jesus 2007-08-29 01:43AM | 0 recs
National Primary

A national primary would basically guarantee that every 4 years low information/cult of personality voters would choose the best-funded, celebrity establishment candidate.  No one else would have a chance.  

by Will Graham 2007-08-29 03:23AM | 0 recs
Late States to Decide Dem. & GOP Nominees?

With literally half the states all voting within a few weeks very early, and a likely splitting of delegates such that no one has a majority in either party, it may fall to the late voting states to decide the nominees.  We could see real campaigns among the last 2 or 3 candidates still standing in each party to compete for large blocks of delegates such as that of Pennsylvania, in April.  Would PA.'s be the largest block of delegates (winner-take-all) NOT voting in those first few weeks?

by pasuburbdem1 2007-08-29 03:36AM | 0 recs
Well televised politics

It seems that so much in the way we elect people is geared, not for electing good leadership, but for garnering good TV ratings.  This whole gridiron battle of two well financed and similar looking goliaths is anathema to almost any concept of democracy.  It's time that Progressive Democrats start raising their voice for the dismantling, not just of the primary system, but of the two party system. Of course this is just crazy talk because it is a matter of putting the concept of democracy for all above the concept of power for our party.  Corporate Democrats will always marginalize this idea because it seriously threatens the power base of corporations.  

This is not unlike American foreign policy in which we talk about the spread of democracy while we finance right-winged dictators.  The reason that we do that is because dictators are much easier to control.  Similarly, a two party system financed and run by corporate America works very well for the power elite.  Primaries are an important part of that system.

by Hugh Stearns 2007-08-29 04:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Did the RNC Just Strengthen the DNC's Hand re:

The whole thing is a cluster ... like so much of the nation. How about if the DNC and the RNC hold conventions but no one goes. Screw 'em all.

by BloggerRadio 2007-08-29 02:12PM | 0 recs

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