Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

To begin my stint as one of the Obama supporters on the front page, I'd like to thank Jerome for the opportunity to write here. In the tradition that has developed over the past week, I'll start my series by writing about who I am and how I've come to support Barack Obama for President.

In many ways, I fit what has become the stereotypical (though by no means accurate or all-encompassing) profile of an Obama supporter. While each of the MyDD bloggers for both the Edwards and Clinton campaigns are middle-aged, I'm still less than a month removed from celebrating my 21st birthday. I'm currently a student at Northwestern University, just outside of Chicago, further fulfilling the conventional characteristics of being a "well-educated" urbanite (well, as well-educated, in one manner of speaking, as someone my age could be, I like to think). Finally, and most importantly, I consider myself to be something of an activist, having served on the executive board of a progressive student community development group for the past 2 years, volunteered for the campaigns of netroots candidates Tim Walz (MN-01) and Dan Seals (IL-10) in 2006, and, this summer, interned for the Iowa arm of Senator Obama's Presidential Campaign.

It is from my experiences volunteering in low-income neighborhoods, studying theories of community development and social policy, and talking to hundreds of voters in small-town Minnesota and suburban Chicago that I have drawn the conclusion that Barack Obama is the best candidate to lead the Democratic Party and the country in the post-Bush years. Put simply, I find that:

1) Obama's life experiences demonstrate the greatest commitment to progressive causes and ideals of any candidate running, and from these experiences and his resulting vision he has demonstrated that he is not only the best advocate for our causes, but also has the best judgment to take them on in the Oval Office.

2) Obama is far and away the best spokesperson our Party has to offer in a time when a new era of extended Democratic and progressive dominance of government and popular political orthodoxy are within reach. An Obama Administration would be our best chance to facilitate such dominance.

Experience

It may seem strange to many of you that I would cite Obama's experience as a reason to support him in the primary, given that most of the attacks he has faced from his opponents have focused on his supposed "inexperience and naivety." Beyond throwing out platitudes about "experience that really matters," Obama's time spent as an organizer and civil rights lawyer has shaped his worldview in a way that has caused a deep understanding of the issues he will face in the White House. The experience also demonstrates a lifelong commitment to progressive advocacy absent in many of the other candidates. Since most of you have likely read or heard about Obama as a community organizer, I'll just quote a brief explanation of one of the many lessons he took away (this comes from a long article in the New Republic profiling his days as an organizer):

Obama was a fan of Alinsky's realistic streak. "The key to creating successful organizations was making sure people's self-interest was met," he told me, "and not just basing it on pie-in-the-sky idealism. So there were some basic principles that remained powerful then, and in fact I still believe in."

Chicago pastors still remember Obama making the rounds of local churches and conducting interviews--in organizing lingo, "one-on-ones"--where he would probe for self-interest. The Reverend Alvin Love, the Baptist minister of a modest brick church amid the clapboard bungalows of the South Side, was one of Obama's first one-on-ones. During a recent visit to his church, Love told me, "I remember he said this to me: There ought to be some way for us to help you meet your self-interest while at the same time meeting the real interests and the needs of the community.'"


Such an observation may seem obvious or unimportant in distinguishing a candidate (and perhaps some of the more perceptive Clinton supporters would be able to point out she herself wrote her senior thesis at Wellesley on Alinsky), but the organizer in Obama shows up in both his political philosophy and his policy proposals.

Logically, the policy that strikes the strongest chord with his days as an organizer is his plan to end urban poverty. Obama recognizes and addresses the myriad complexities of the issue in very practical terms. I first wrote about the plan in a diary the day after it was introduced. While I've been quite impressed with the persistence of John Edwards on this particular issue, I think that Obama's greater experience in this area becomes clear when the plans are compared. The Edwards plan focuses on removing the poor from inner city neighborhoods and dispersing them into "better" areas. This cuts off the social lifelines developed over the years in such communities, and also often leads to problems accessing services designed for the poor, as relevant organizations become much harder to reach. Such an approach has proven ineffective in the past:

...Edwards proposes doing away with public housing projects and replacing them with 1 million rental vouchers, to disperse the poor into better neighborhoods and suburbs, closer to good schools and jobs.

The idea sounds bold, but it faces a deflating reality: A major federal experiment conducted for more than a decade has found that dispersing poor families with vouchers does not improve earnings or school performance, leaving some economists puzzled that Edwards would make such dispersal a centerpiece of his anti-poverty program. Edwards said he was unaware of the experiment.


By contrast, Obama's plan largely focuses on developing neglected communities from within. In his speech introducing his plan, he once again highlights his knowledge of the intricacies of the issue by comparing a poor neighborhood as it is now with one that would be transformed by the services made available in his new program:
What's most overwhelming about urban poverty is that it's so difficult to escape - it's isolating and it's everywhere. If you are an African-American child unlucky enough to be born into one of these neighborhoods, you are most likely to start life hungry or malnourished. You are less likely to start with a father in your household, and if he is there, there's a fifty-fifty chance that he never finished high school and the same chance he doesn't have a job. Your school isn't likely to have the right books or the best teachers. You're more likely to encounter gang-activities than after-school activities. And if you can't find a job because the most successful businessman in your neighborhood is a drug dealer, you're more likely to join that gang yourself. Opportunity is scarce, role models are few, and there is little contact with the normalcy of life outside those streets.

What you learn when you spend your time in these neighborhoods trying to solve these problems is that there are no easy solutions and no perfect arguments. And you come to understand that for the last four decades, both ends of the political spectrum have been talking past one another.


If you're a child who's born in the Harlem Children's Zone, you start life differently than other inner-city children. Your parents probably went to what they call " Baby College", a place where they received counseling on how to care for newborns and what to expect in those first months. You start school right away, because there's early childhood education. When your parents are at work, you have a safe place to play and learn, because there's child care, and after school programs, even in the summer. There are innovative charter schools to attend. There's free medical services that offer care when you're sick and preventive services to stay healthy. There's affordable, good food available so you're not malnourished. There are job counselors and financial counselors. There's technology training and crime prevention.

You don't just sign up for this program, you're actively recruited for it, because the idea is that if everyone is involved, and no one slips through the cracks, then you really can change an entire community. Geoffrey Canada, the program's inspirational, innovative founder, put it best - instead of helping some kids beat the odds, the Harlem Children's Zone is actually changing the odds altogether.


Perhaps most importantly, Obama has deep ties to the issue. During his 2004 Senate campaign, while addressing the same organization he had worked with when first arriving in Chicago, he remarked:
"I grew up to be a man, right here, in this area. It's as a consequence of working with this organization and this community that I found my calling. There was something more than making money and getting a fancy degree. The measure of my life would be public service."

While I chose to focus on poverty to emphasize how I think Obama's experiences have prepared him for the Presidency, one could just as easily see how the lessons he took from his family and years spent abroad helped him to avoid making the same mistake so many of our other candidates made in authorizing/co-sponsoring the Iraq War:

In so many situations, Obama takes the time to think through a difficult question and deliver an honest (and typically impressive) answer, rather than delivering a pre-packaged talking point as Clinton and Edwards often do (though if I have to be fed talking points, I do like the rather bold ones that have emerged from the Edwards campaign in comparison to the poll-tested garble that often emerges from Clinton). Obama has shown an unparalleled (in the Presidential field) lifelong commitment to fighting on behalf of progressive causes, and has demonstrated an ability to draw on those life experiences in explaining and defining his policy. This ability is very much related to the second major reason why I support Obama: the ability to build off of his Administration a new national progressive consensus, including a dominant and "durable" Democratic Congress and electoral college for years to come.

A Dominant Progressive Majority

Since psericks largely covered this point in his post earlier today, I'll spend less time here. Without going into great detail, I will simply point out that Obama is quite popular among independents, and holds larger national leads in general election matchups over Republican opponents than Clinton or Edwards. But perhaps the most compelling case to be made for Obama comes from the enthusiasm with which his candidacy has been embraced by America's young voters. By one (albeit imperfect) indicator of youth "activism"--Facebook--Obama overwhelmingly leads all of his closest rivals...combined:

# of Facebook Supporters as of the time I'm Writing This:

Barack Obama: 129,896
Hillary Clinton: 36,044
Ron Paul: 19,466
John Edwards: 15,523
Mitt Romney: 15,282
Fred Thompson: 9,983
John McCain: 8,433
Dennis Kucinich: 7,457
*Rudy Giuliani apparently doesn't believe in Facebook

Obama's campaign has been quite effective in organizing on college campuses, folding into the campaign a group that had grown organically throughout the country earlier in the year. And if there is one group in the country that has overwhelmingly rejected Bush, it is young people. Young voters broke Democratic in the 2006 elections by a margin of 22 percentage points that would be absurd if it wasn't so...completely un-absurd, given who we were competing against. The internet generation is ours for the taking, and there is clearly no better candidate to turn this generation into the one that ushers in the next great era of progressive dominance than Barack Obama.

Think about it: the George W. Bush Administration will be the first lasting political memory in the collective consciousness of the millions of young adults of my generation.

What if the answer to the unprecedented corruption and lawlessness wrought on our country by the Bush Administration is the most sweeping and progressive government reform package offered in our history?

What if the reckless foreign policies of the neoconservative establishment and its enablers (including many figures running for the nomination of each Party today) were replaced by someone with the foresight to have opposed the Iraq War from the beginning because he thoroughly understood its disastrous implications?

What if the Republican ideology of "can't do, won't do, won't even try" was replaced by the progressive ideology of "I am my brother's keeper"?

What if we had a spokesperson who could explain our vision as eloquently as he did that summer evening in Boston every day for the next 4 years?

It's time to elect the one person who can make that happen.

Tags: 2008 Presidential Primaries, Barack Obama, candidate worship (all tags)

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on an unrelated note

I saw Edwards speak today in Iowa, and walked away as impressed as ever. He did a great job delivering his stump speech, and his whole family was along, making for some endearing moments. He said little controversial or out of the ordinary, and left immediately after ending the speech, but the crowd was large (150+) and seemed for the most part very engaged while he was talking. Whoever our nominee is, we'll be in good hands.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-15 07:25PM | 0 recs
drove by Obama HQ in Des Moines on Tuesday

There's a big sign out front, right under the "Obama for America" sign, that says something like, "Not Paid For by PACs and Federal Lobbyists."

The Obama HQ has by far the best visibility of all the campaigns. It's on a major road in the hippest neighborhood in downtown Des Moines, right near the hippest block in that neighborhood. Tons of people drive or walk around there.

The Edwards and Clinton HQ are in the same office park about a half-mile from there, but there's practically no visibility. You have to drive on a minor road, turn into a nondescript parking lot, and go around to the back of the building to find the entrance. No campaign signs are visible from the street. I'm sure it's great value for money in terms of office space, but I am jealous of the Obama location!

I don't know exactly where the Richardson HQ is--either downtown in a different neighborhood or maybe just south of downtown. Biden HQ is in a suburban office building. Don't know where Dodd's office is.

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: drove by Obama HQ in Des Moines on Tuesday

Is it by where the farmer's market is? Over by the capitol, I can't remember the neighborhood name.  Could you give street names please?  I now live in IC, but am from DSM.  IN case you are wondering I have only seen Obama's HQ in Iowa City, and it is in downtown, one block from the bars (pedmall) and one block from the campus. Haven't seen a sign like that, all the signs there now are hand painted.

by fakes seizures 2007-08-16 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: drove by Obama HQ in Des Moines on Tuesday

the address is 323 E. Locust (Locust is the one just South of Grand). The office is basically located on the stretch in between the Capitol in the River, just South of 235

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: drove by Obama HQ in Des Moines on Tuesday

Every office in the state now has one of the "federal lobbyist" signs. And you're right, that is a great location for the Obama office in DM. I've only been there once myself, but it's right in the middle of everything

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 08:38AM | 0 recs
facebook

One Million Strong For Barack Obama has 300,000 members - I'm not sure what group you looked at

by CardBoard 2007-08-15 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: facebook

Candidates have profile pages where you can click "support this candidate"  that is what he is refering to.  

It is worth noting the 300,000 from the group, and he should probably put the myspace numbers up too, to give more information.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

good work, Max

by iamready 2007-08-15 07:28PM | 0 recs
great job Max

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by nevadadem 2007-08-15 07:28PM | 0 recs
Nice post

I repeat my refrain, why is Obama afraid to associate his progressive agenda with the Democratic Party?

You wrote:

What if the Republican ideology of "can't do, won't do, won't even try" was replaced by the progressive ideology of "I am my brother's keeper"?

What if we had a spokesperson who could explain our vision as eloquently as he did that summer evening in Boston every day for the next 4 years?

Why won't that spokesman embrace the Democratic Party and argue that the Democratic Party vision is the superior one, and that the Republican vision is extreme and ineffecitve?

In short, why won't Obama be a DEMOCRATIC spokesman for our vision and against the Republican vision?

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

He is big.  Only he embraces everyone.  Everyone.  No one is left behind, as this adminstration has left everyone behind.  He is talking about thinking.  Making us think, whether we agree with him or not.  Yes, it is great to get "one-liner", but what is behind the line?  This race is too important, and we want change, we must vote for it.  The same ol' people, run everytime.  What is new about them?  I know everyone always talk about us vs. them.  Well, are we any better to keep following that line?  I know so many people who are Republicans and vastly embarrassed what they got in Bush.  And they should be.  But, the "what if" is a possiblity.  Why not?  

by iamready 2007-08-15 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Excuse me, he needs to be for the Dems VISION, and fight for the election of all Dems, you know, the folks who will help him is he becomes President?

Is it REALLY that hard for him to argue FOR the Democratic Party?

I'll be honest, if he can't do that, then he should not be the Democratic nominee for President.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Well, he is for our vision.  Isn't the democratic party supposed to be a "big tent", we take you and embrace you?  And I have been a democrat all my life.  Grew up with a working family, my parents worked "hard" to get us through school, solid democrats, but what is wrong with looking at change.  In 1992, Bill Clinton, lord, I could not wait to run to the polls for him.  My mother worked hard on his campaign.  He was exciting and brilliant.  He spoke to me.  I have not had that since Barack Obama.  I don't know, Katrina woke me up.  Seeing people begging for drops of water, food.  I never, ever want another person in that office that do not care about me.  How in God's name could any sitting president let our "family", "citizens" lay out in the street and just don't give a damn.  I want more, I demand more.  I want change.  I love the Democratic Party, but if I am forced to not think, feel, believe in a candidate because s/he is not talking a certain line?  It is time for me to become an independent.

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Different point.

Honestly, why are Obama supporters ducking the issue. I have never questioned Obama's commitment to a progressive agenda.

I have been quite clear that my objection to Obama is his political style - his failure to embrace the Democratic Party, the Demnocratic brand, and his failure to stand up to the Republican Party and to criticize the Republican brand.

I think it is clear that Obama supporters do not care about that. I think it very much confirms that Obama is for yes, promoting his vision, but he is NOT about promoting the Democratic Party.

That is a serious shortcoming for me in a Dem Presidential candidate.

Others can have their views on this, but I do wish the point I make would be addressed.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Whenever he is attacked, he always shoots back.  Sometimes his campaign shoots back so fast, you can't tell who shot first.  

I also recommend checking out his debates with Alan Keyes.  He never let Alan Keyes take the debate.  

The idea here is he has to win the primary, so he is focusing on that.  Whenever he has to, he responds to Republicans.  Until the primary is over, then he will push us forward.  

It wouldn't make a ton of sense to "embrace the Democratic party" when they are voting wrong on key things like the BS Iraq spending bill, and while he isn't considered the "Establishment candidate".  When the moment of truth is here, you will see.  Until then, it isn't necessary nor the right time.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 08:12PM | 0 recs
When HE is attacked

he shoots back.

When the DemParty is attacked, lots of times it is he doing the attacking. It is never he doing the defending.

Your comment is a strike against him in my book.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

Sorry, but who is he attacking?

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

He attacked Dems for not being tolerant of people of faith.

He attacked Dems for being too partisan.

He seems to never attack the GOP.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

Not being tolerant of people of faith?  What?

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:32PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

His speech last year.

It caused a firestorm.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:41PM | 0 recs
read these MyDD posts

from last year:

Chris Bowers, The Two Obamas and Me
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/12/4/2222 27/496

Chris Bowers, Obama Closes Daou's Triangle on Electoral Strategy:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/28/1327 18/681

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

The question to ask though... is he wrong?... There are many Dems who are intolerant of people of faith... I have seen it MANY MANY MANY times on MyDD and Kos and it bothers and insults me everytime... many times they attack ALL Christians and not just the religious right who perverse the religion; its just as bad as the right wing wackos who attack all muslims and not just the ones the islamic fundies who pervert the religion.  You may not LIKE what he said, but that doesn't make it untrue... and I never walked away from that speech with the impression he was saying the entire party does it, instead elements of the party.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-15 08:57PM | 0 recs
I replied to this a few posts downthread

before I read your comment.

There is no excuse for Obama lending legitimacy to malicious right-wing stereotypes about Democrats.

You do not typically hear Republicans campaign against primary opponents saying, "Look, we can't just be the party carrying water for big business and the richest 1 percent of Americans."

They do not build themselves up by reinforcing a negative stereotype about other Republicans.

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 09:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I replied to this a few posts downthread

Why is it that just because you disagree with his statement about tolerance of faith, you claim its a right wing stereotype?  Its not... There are many tolerant people in the Democratic party... many members of the religious left... there are others who attack ANYONE who is proud of their religion as right wing zealots... THAT'S a BULLSHIT attitude for those people to take and it is to that group  the speech is addressed.  Maybe the actions of claiming its propping up a RW stereotype do MUCH MUCH MUCH more in the actual propping of the stereotype than Obama's statement... The ones who object to it with your argument are far in the minority of the power and emotion of the speech... it is generally regarded as one of his best, right after the 2004 Keynote.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

We have a constitution which states that this nation was founded on the principles that there should be a separation between church and state.  This way we would all be tolerant of everyone else's faith or lack thereof.  Our founding fathers came from England where you had to attend one church or you were guilty of a crime against the nation state. A smart man like Obama should know that we have laws to cover this issue.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 11:12PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

Yes he is wrong! They have the right too believe whatever they want but the don't have the right to force their beliefs on the rest of us.

by gar2458 2007-08-16 03:53AM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

Ah, but there is the fallacy in your argument... Obama is NOT calling for everyone to believe his faith... He isn't saying you need to believe in any religion... He's saying that regardless of your beliefs rather aethiest, Christian, Muslim, or whatever, we need to be accepting of all...  The comments that ALL CHRISTIANS want people to only follow there faith is just as intolerant as the wingnuts saying Aethiests will burn in hell.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

If he worships Republicans so much he should run as a Republican.  The media gives no respect to the Democrats and Obama wants the media to like him so he copies them

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:47PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

That is such an ignorant statement showing you completely do not get or understand the points being made... Utter ignorance

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

That is such an ignorant statement showing you completely do not get or understand the points being made... Utter ignorance

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

He doesn't seem to attack Republicans for being intolerant.  No one asked Obama to run as a Democrat.  If Obama becomes the candidate for the Democratic party he will have to embrace our party's platform.  It occurs to me that perhaps Sen. Obama wants to run as an Independent like his pal Joe Lieberman did.  This would split the Democratic Party and would give the Presidency to a Republican. A real Democrat wouldn't want to do that.  Perhaps this is why he trashes the Democratic Party but is so in awe of the Republican Party.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 11:21PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

I too think he is planning an independent run. A Cult of Personality Ego campaign.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:50AM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

Keith Obermann found it interesting on his program yesterday that Obama used the p, hrase he was a uniter and not a divider when speaking of Hillary and Rove used the same phrase when speaking to Rush Limbaugh yesterday. Rove said he would be working with a presidential candidate but would not say which one.  I wonder if its Obama and if his job is to split the Democrats in order to put another Republican in.

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

Are you really that fuckign stupid?  Seriously, I've read some stupid posts on MyDD in the 3 plus years I 've been here, but this ranks as one of the worst ones ever.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

At least I can spell the F word.

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: When HE is attacked

A lot of Dems are not tolerant of people of faith

by CardBoard 2007-08-16 03:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Oh yeah, he's the man. Dan Quayle could have beaten Alan Keyes in a debate. Probably even in a spelling contest. The dude is a rabid right wing imported nutjob. No real competition at all. Seriously your hero worship is kind of frightening.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Your ignorance and stupidity are just as frightening... Go back to Free Republic with the rest of the freepers and stop attacking good Democrats like Obama.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

I am not ducking the issue.  Can't I just look at your question different?  What do you want me to say?  It is like going to the opera, play, movie, every single perception will be different.  That is why the Democratic Party is one that accept that.

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

How can he not be for Democrats, when he is in the party?  

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Great question. Explain why he is not embracing the Dem brand?

Harold Ford is a Dem too.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:24PM | 0 recs
he reinforces right-wing frames sometimes

I've said this before, and I'll say it again now to explain what we are talking about.

When Obama says that all too often Democrats are intolerant of expressions of faith in public, he plays into a false and malicious right-wing stereotype about Democrats.

When Big Tent Democrat or Chris Bowers or others bring this up, Obama supporters often say, well, some Democrats are intolerant, or well, Obama is trying to build a new coalition.

I'm Jewish. How do you think people would like it if I got on tv and said, "All too often we Jews are greedy and cheat other people. We need to remember to be honest in our business dealings, whether our customers are Jews or gentiles."

Obviously, this reinforces a hateful stereotype about Jews. The fact that somewhere out there a few greedy, dishonest Jews exist does not justify the use of this kind of rhetoric.

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 08:58PM | 0 recs
Re: he reinforces right-wing frames sometimes

Tolerant is the key word here. When you are a Democrat you are tolerant of people's differences.  This country was founded on the Separation of Church and State.  The reason for this is so that every person could worship freely in their own way.  If they choose not to worship at all then that is there prerogative.  We don't need anyone to find a new way. Obama is running in the primaries as a Democrat. This is neither the time or the place to trash Democratic Ideals or the Constitution.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:53PM | 0 recs
Re: he reinforces right-wing frames sometimes

I hear the comparison, but here's the thing: while people don't choose their race or ethnicity, we all choose to be Democrats.  I don't think the same sensitivities need apply.

Obama's challenging Democrats to be better Democrats.  He's showing us he doesn't need to suck up to us, and I think he also has a genuine distaste for militantly secular Dems.  

I don't want a candidate who's content to pat me on the head because I happen to be in his/her party.  We should ask for more from our candidates.  

by Cloudspitter 2007-08-16 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: he reinforces right-wing frames sometimes

I know a lot of Democrats who are intolerant of people of faith... not just wingnuts, but anyone who is proud of their religion.  Even if these people have never told them, "Your going to hell" or "You should believe what I believe", they still attack them.  I have seen people on here go as far to call all christians hatemongers or uneducated idiots.  I once heard a fellow dem call someone an idiot for saying God Bless you after they sneezed.  Obama NEVER said the entire party was like that and that's the gross inaccuracy Big Tent Dem and Bowers have often portrayed...although, I don't think they do it trying to be dishonest, they are just incorrect.  That speech as a whole was made to say that those who aren't accepting of others views on religion need to be tolerant of them.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

I hear you.  Its trendy in the media to trash Democratic ideals and the Democratic Party in general.  It is sad to see a Democrat trashing what most of us believe to be great about our party and our country.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

I have been quite clear that my objection to Obama is his political style - his failure to embrace the Democratic Party, the Democratic brand, and his failure to stand up to the Republican Party and to criticize the Republican brand.

I think it is clear that Obama supporters do not care about that. I think it very much confirms that Obama is for yes, promoting his vision, but he is NOT about promoting the Democratic Party.

note:minor spelling adjustment

That is my main problem with him too. Well, that and the fact that he can't stop saying stupid things.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

As I suspected. Just another brainwashed Obama Cult of Personality Camp Explainer. At least you are being honest with your hero worship.

So you are threatening to leave the party. Well isn't that special. I am sure that will help your credibility here and elsewhere. Good riddance!  

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

As long as idiots worshiping at the cult of she-who-must-not-be-named, whose main leap into national prominence and whose biggest qualification was the fact she was fucking the president, then the party will be safe. If those people lead the party once again, then heaven help us all.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

As long as idiots worshiping at the cult of she-who-must-not-be-named, whose main leap into national prominence and whose biggest qualification was the fact she was fucking the president, then the party will be safe. If those people lead the party once again, then heaven help us all.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-16 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Just because he isn't shouting , "GO Dems No Matter What !" doesn't mean he's not proud of being a Democrat. He's running for President , not DNC Chairman.

In case you haven't noticed, the Democratic Establishment has destroyed this party. Why do you think there are so many people leaving and becoming Independents? Hello?

It's not about just switching parties. It's about Change. It's a little hard to run around touting the praises of the Democratic Party when those who control our Democratic Party are rejecting the Change that Obama is trying to bring.

Who was in power when we voted to go into Iraq?

Who?

Who is in power now?

Who?

Washington Establishment Democrats who are opposed to the Progressive movement and to Obamas Fresh new Ideas of Change. The question isn't why isn't Obama embracing the Democratic Party. The question is why isn't the Democratic Party Establishment growing a pair and embracing Barack Obamas message of Change , Hope and Unity ?

You know, like John F. Kennedy did. Instead, it is THEY who bend over for the Republicans. It is THEY who put the shackles on themselves , grab a basket , run out into the field and work for the Republicans.

Not Barack Obama.

If you read my argument and take it in context and not cherry pick it, you will see that I am correct.

by BlueDiamond 2007-08-15 07:43PM | 0 recs
He's running for

the Democratic nomination for President. He needs to be for the Democratic Party. He would be biger than any DNC Chairman.

Does he believe that his vision is not compatible with the Democratic Party's?

I find your comment not only unconvincing but an extreme turnoff on Obama. I think and hope you do not speak for his views.

Howard Dean ran against the Dem Establishment. but he ran FOR Democrats and the Democratic vision.

You remember, the whole Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party thing?

Obama is not running for a disenfranchised part of the Dem Party, he is not arguing for the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party.

He is running from the Democratic Party.

Not only is it a bad strategy for the Party, it is a bad strategy for his candidacy.

Let me be clear. Unlike many, I do not object to his attacks on Hillary, that is what politics is.

I strongly object to his failure to stand up for the Democratic Party and to expressly stand against the Republican Party.

I also find it ironic that he is intent as being viewed as a unifier while dividing the Dempcratic Party. It smaks of hypocrisyu.

It is also dumb politics. Anyone can see he has no qualms attacking Hillary. How about a few broadsides at the Republican too?

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

It's interesting to contrast Obama with Bill Clinton, who takes endless amounts of grief for being a centrist triangulator, yet is proud to be a Democrat and to distinguish our party's vision from that of the Republicans, 7 days a week.

by Steve M 2007-08-15 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

Clinton is clearly to the Right of Obama on issues, Bill I mean.

Clinton is clearly the better Democrat.

I thin my point is clear and I do think the responses we hear from Obama supporters on the matter are wholly unsatisfactory.

IF they do not care about the issue, that is their right. But I do not care for the ducking of the issue one gets in response.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:04PM | 0 recs
FDR and Harry Truman

never forgot about the Democratic brand. Obama could do to learn from them.

by andgarden 2007-08-15 08:08PM | 0 recs
Or the GOP brand

They knew about negative branding.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

I couldn't agree more.

by Steve M 2007-08-15 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

Obama's ideas come from an expensive education at Harvard, where he met and cultivated rich Republicans.  This is his life's experience.  He has not been in the military.  He is well traveled and considers himself an intellectual.  He is no more in touch with ordinary people than is George Bush.  The rich friends Obama made in College denegrated Democrats all the time.  Imagine a party that wants to take care of the poor and the old.  They laugh at our party for believing that government has a responsibility to take care of its people.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 11:37PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

Obama made it clear that he isn't a real progressive, that deep down he is really conservative.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

That is what I am afraid of.  Obama is a conservative and I think he is setting himself up to run as an Independent to split the Democrats and put another Republican in.

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

you're both ridiculous. His Senate voting record is more liberal than Clinton's or Edwards'.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

Perhaps you can tell me what bills Obama sponsored.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

You can find them yourself on his Senate website or on his campaign website.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-17 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

The reason I asked you is because I read that he has not brought up any bills since he has been in the Senate.  I guess it must be true.

by changehorses08 2007-08-17 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

It is absolutely false, he has actually been quite active for a freshman.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-18 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

The reason I asked you is because I read that he has not authored any bills since he has been in the Senate.  I guess it must be true.

by changehorses08 2007-08-17 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

Perhaps you can tell me what bills Obama sponsored.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

That's beyond the pale.  Do you even bother to read the articles before you add comments to them?

Obama grew up biracial and middle class, was born outside the white political establishment, and traded a comfortable consultant job for a post as an organizer of churches and unions in inner-city Chicago.  

Obama has the hardest background of any of the candidates, except Kucinich... that dude had to live in a car.

by Cloudspitter 2007-08-16 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

"He is running from the Democratic Party"

Actually, he is running for the Democratic nomination.  That involves drawing contrasts with other candidates.  His message is one of change.  If the extent of that change was simply trading parties, yelling 'rah rah any democrat will do', he wouldnt have any reason to run.

"I also find it ironic that he is intent as being viewed as a unifier while dividing the Dempcratic Party"

He is running for the party's nomination.  That means he has to draw distinctions.  Sorry, its not a hillary coronation.  As far as dividing the party, read any of the 'inside baseball' stories about the campaigns and you'll see that Hillary Inc is trying to strong arm the entire party (consultants, fundraisers, elected officials, etc) into supporting her or staying on the sidelines, promising punishment to those that didn't bow down to her if she wins.

"expressly stand against the Republican Party."

Sorry, when you run for President, you present your vision for governing.  You talk about what you want to do to make the country better.  Just whining about the other guy isnt enough.

"It is also dumb politics. Anyone can see he has no qualms attacking Hillary. How about a few broadsides at the Republican too?"

All of his "attacks" on hillary have been him responding to actual attacks from Hillary Inc.  Every time she tries to spin one of his common sense answers on foreign policy into "inexperience and naivety", he slaps he back.  Now you are crying about "attacks".  How ridiculous.  And as far as attacking the Republicans, he has responded to their attacks each time as well.

by WellstoneDem 2007-08-15 08:45PM | 0 recs
Nonsequitor

It is as if you pieced together quotes of my comment in order to avoid my central point.

I won't respond to this in substance. You sure didn't respond to me in substance.

Indeed, you whole defense of Obama attacking Hillary is disingenuous as I say expressly I have no problem with it.

Ironic it remains.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-08-15 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Nonsequitor

Please tell me what your magical central point is because you're "argument" looks more like a list of ridiculous statements that don't line up too well with reality.

by WellstoneDem 2007-08-15 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

You forget this is not the general election and Obama is not the candidate.  He is running in Democratic Primaries, this is not the time or the place to trash Democrats.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 11:39PM | 0 recs
Re: He's running for

Excellent points but these Obama Followers are like brainwashed lemmings and only support all things Obama. He never does or says anything wrong. If they had their way they would rename the Democratic party the Obamacratic party just to pay homage to their hero.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

On the contrary.  In 2004 35% of Americans identified themselves as Democrats. In 2007 52% now consider themselves Democrats.  Why would you run as a Democrat but worship Republicans. Could it be that maybe your big money donors are Republicans and you have to please them?

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

Big Tent -- I totally agree.  Our party is the party of big ideas.  Without the Democrats there would never have been a middle class.  There would never have been Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Workmen's Compensation.  We believe that government exists to help people.  I am proud to be a Democrat and I cannot understand why anyone would run for the nomination as a Democrat but not embrace the Democratic Party.  I have heard Obama speak about the Reagan Revolution of which he is very proud.  What Reagan did was start us on this downhill slide.  His mission was to get rid of unions and bring in cheap labor.  Trickle down economics would benefit us all. Only Bill Clinton the man who has never supposed to be president stopped the downhill slide and Obama today trashed that administration as dividing the country. I would also like to ask why Obama doesn't embrace the Democratic Party.  If it was good enough for FDR, JFK, and Clinton why isn't it good enough for Obama. Maybe Obama is running for Pundit on Fox News.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

I think this is legitimate criticism. I actually have more worries about Edwards or (especially) Clinton abandoning a progressive agenda should things go sour in the 2010 midterms for some reason (as they did in 1994), but I can see your concerns about the lack of partisanship coming from Obama.

I don't really have an answer that you're going to like. To be honest, I'd like to see him get more partisan too. However, I don't think it's something that he is being coached into by Axelrod and Plouffe. For one thing, I don't think Obama is one to be coached, especially if his blunt honesty on foreign policy as of late is any indication. Hillary is clearly obsessed with staying on the newest set talking points developed by Wolfson and Penn, and Trippi has completely repackaged Edwards from 2004 (neither of these points are necessarily meant to be taken as digs at either candidate. I admire Clinton's discipline and like this Edwards campaign a lot better than the one I caucused for in Minnesota in 2004). However, Obama seems to instinctively avoid demonization of his opponents. I believe this stems from his days as an organizer, when such behavior would have undermined his objective of building coalitions to improve the neighborhoods where he worked. Check out this passage from the same New Republic article I linked to above:

Publicly, as well, Obama has made his organizing days central to his political identity. When he announced his candidacy for president last month, he said the "best education" he ever had was not his undergraduate years at Occidental and Columbia or even his time at Harvard Law School, but rather the four years he spent in the mid-'80s learning the science of community organizing in Chicago. The night after Obama's announcement speech, he made a similar point on "60 Minutes" as he led Steve Kroft around the old neighborhood.

Obama's self-conception as an organizer isn't just a campaign gimmick. Organizing remained central to Obama long after his stint on the South Side. In the 13 years between Obama's return to Chicago from law school and his Senate campaign, he was deeply involved with the city's constellation of community-organizing groups. He wrote about the subject. He attended organizing seminars. He served on the boards of foundations that support community organizing. He taught Alinsky's concepts and methods in workshops. When he first ran for office in 1996, he pledged to bring the spirit of community organizing to his job in the state Senate. And, after he was elected to the U.S. Senate, his wife, Michelle, told a reporter, "Barack is not a politician first and foremost. He's a community activist exploring the viability of politics to make change." Recalling her remark in 2005, Obama wrote, "I take that observation as a compliment."


I can't get to it now, because I only have a hard copy and most of the online part is blocked, but there's also a part in that article where Obama feels bad for ambushing a landlord for maintaining a deplorable safety record. His genuine instinct seems to be to reach out.

That being said, and while I agree that he needs to associate the Party with his vision, I'll offer a couple of other observations:

1) no other Presidential candidate ever uses the word Democrat in his or her commercials. Not Edwards, not Clinton, not Richardson. Not many incorporate it as a major part of the typical stump speech. It seems a couple of the candidates are better at making the occasional statement with the kind of language you are looking for, but it is not even close to being a prominent theme in any of the other campaigns. I think you often unfairly single out Obama on this issue.

2) the reason I think you single him out is that he has made some unfortunate statements about the deficiencies of the Democratic Party, be they real or imagined by the traditional media (like the one you cited about religion and politics, which I feel has strains of both the former and the latter). This does violate the reciprocal of the Reagan commandment (thou shalt not attack another Democrat), but I don't think Obama is using this type of language just for his own personal gain. As I think he truly believes in the value of coalition-building, I think he truly believes the Democratic Party shares the blame when he makes statements like that. To add to that thought, he makes the kind of statements you attack him for a lot less often than you seem to imply

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 12:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post

As an Obama supporter, here is my take on his non-partisian rhetoric:

Obama wrote in the Audacity of Hope that it will require much more than a 51% majority to achieve major reforms such a Universal Health Care.  

To that end he is reaching out to independents and disaffected Republicans in order create a large progressive coalition.  Harping on the word "Democratic" may serve as an impediment to getting these potential converts to listen to the serman.

Recnet polls show that his strategy to appeal to non-Democratic voters is having some sucess.  Whether or not Obama can bring in enough new voters into the Democratic primaries to offset Hillary's lead among most traditional Democratic Party voting blocks remains to be seen.

Since Obama can only win in '08 by attracting significant numbers of new folks to the Democratic primaries a sucessful Obama candidacy will be extremely good for the incresing the size of the Democratic Party and tht, I hope we agree, would be a good thing.

 

by Sam I Am 2007-08-16 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice post
This argument is silly. Obama is running as the outsider. This is how it's done. You don't run as the outsider and say "Democrats are doing a great job!" He does promote progressive ideals, but to equate progressive ideals with Democratic ideals is to deny the fact that a major portion of our party does not embrace progressive policies. How can he promote clean elections as a Democratic value when so many Democrats embrace the current system of legal bribery? How can he claim that concern for the impoverished is a Democratic ideal when so many Democrats show so little concern for those in poverty? Can a commitment to the protection of civil liberties really be considered a Democratic value? Even among Democratic activists, I've heard far too many suggest that party unity is more important than protecting our civil liberties. Is that some kind of sick joke?

By promoting progressive values Obama begins the process of reintroducing the Democratic party, as well as middle America, to the merit of truly progressive ideals.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:05AM | 0 recs
refresh, repost for

your embed to pop up, the video

by iamready 2007-08-15 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: refresh, repost for

yeah, i tried that, but it didn't work. someone seems to have fixed it for me. i've always had hit-or-miss luck with posting videos in diaries

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-15 08:49PM | 0 recs
What's his plan to restore Constitutional govt?

Or is that issue not even on his radar?

Note what Elizabeth Edwards had to say:

http://www.correntewire.com/elizabeth_un der_john_the_constitution_returns

Where's Obama on this? (Hillary being a lost cause.)

by lambert 2007-08-15 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: What's his plan to restore Constitutional govt

Elizabeth Edwards is the reason John Edwards will never be president of the United States

(among other reasons)

Its the secret that everyone knows deep down.

by world dictator 2007-08-15 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: What's his plan to restore Constitutional govt

Nasty nasty nasty!! Wash your mouth out.

by mrobinsong 2007-08-15 07:54PM | 0 recs
your comment reminds me

of early 1992 when Republican strategists were trying to define Bill Clinton as a guy who "can't control his waistline and can't control his wife."

Nice.

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 07:56PM | 0 recs
Constitutional govt

Your comments wither from a light gust of wind.  Because they are pathetic cheap shots being made on a blog.  I can understand you saying that on live MSM television, They love it.  They love the arguing and the controversy.  It is great for ratings.  

However, here, it is unnecessary and uncalled for.  For similar reasons (as noted above) Bill Clinton never should have been president by your standards.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt

Calling a post bad but not stating why is  empty rhetoric.

You act like the media is going around forcing Elizabeth Edwards to say these things.

But as to the logic behind your argument, if Hillary Clinton is such a polarizing figure and can't win, do you really think they want a more liberal version of her with a much bigger mouth who is much more prone to using it?

by world dictator 2007-08-17 04:31AM | 0 recs
Constitutional govt?

Obama plans to close Guantanamo Bay and restore Habeus Corpus.  I haven't seen specific plans, but I know that is the general idea.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt?

But he also plans to leave troops on the ground in the Middle East.

He's an empire builder.

It devastates me to find out that only Kucinich and Gravel (plus Ron Paul - ha!) are the only Democrats that don't want to use our boys to run the world.

These days it is the only thing I care about.  

by alexia 2007-08-15 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt?

Wow, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore... THat's a strawman argument.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-15 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt?

You mean realistic things like training Iraqi's and protecting the embassy?  

Sorry, those do not equal "empire building".  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt?

History would suggest that as long as you don't conquer and declare yourself emperor for a thousand years of another country five times the size of your orginal one you're not really all that serious about empire building.

leaving some troops for securing an embassy and training an army so we can leave as fast as possible would get him laughed out the empire builder's club

by Ernst 2007-08-16 12:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt?
Richardson has stated he would remove all troops from Iraq.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Constitutional govt?

How come Obama doesn't bring a bill to the floor restoring Habeus Corpus?  Obama is full of talk but light on action.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: What's his plan to restore Constitutional govt
Second highest rating from the ACLU among viable candidates. First is Bill Richardson.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead
Good post.
People should learn more about the candidates.
by win 2007-08-15 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

I respect your diary.

However if I were a less charitable person I would say that using facebook as an indicator of support totally discredits everything you just said.

However, I wont go that far. But really...facebook groups mean little in the race for president. Just ask Ron Paul

by world dictator 2007-08-15 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Discrediting who?  The YOUNG, who we can bring to our party?  This is what young folk do, socialize.  If we are so critical about trying something new, we are lost.  While skeptical you should be, if this changes everything, look out.

by iamready 2007-08-15 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

I think obviously I was refering to the fact that joining a facebook group doesn't translate into votes.

by world dictator 2007-08-16 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

1. Young people are coming out liberal in a 2-1 ratio.  We need to utilize that in order to gain a long-lasting majority control of the United States Government.  

2. Ron Paul's campaign caught fire to young people and he raised around 5 million dollars, which is significantly more than the fundraising quarter prior.  

3. Facebook groups are a sign of youth support.  It is worth noting that Obama has the most support among youths by a wide margin.  

Please.  If you're going to trash the diary, pick a serious basis to criticize it.  There were actual points being made and your criticism holds no weight because they are poorly based.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Actually they're very valid. That support for Ron Paul hasn't translated in any real support. low single digits, no local troops on the ground. Facebook groups are a sign of interest. clinking a link is something wholly different then actually voting.

Every cycle somebody touts the youth support as the reason why a candidate is the best. Every cycle somebody explains that this time the youth vote will make a difference. Every cycle somebody explains that this time the candidate will surf to the whitehouse on a wave of the young people nobody ever could reach except this particular candidate.

They always tout different versions of facebook, young people at rallies, etc. And each and every time it doesn't happen. And each and every time the candidate counting on those young people loses. I wish it was different, but young people don't swing elections. but every cycle since the sixties somebody argues that this time the young will win the day...

by Ernst 2007-08-16 12:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

I'm relatively young--25 years old--and an Obama supporter, and I have to agree with Ernst and world dictator on this. I too am a bit baffled by the Obama campaign's touting of Facebook numbers. Yes, it's great that young people are making a show of support for him, but I am not convinced that social networking support can actually turn into votes, especially primary votes. I think he could probably get a lot of those people to register and come out to vote in the general election, but I'm not sure he can get enough young people to come out and make a difference in the early primary states to make a difference. And the MyBarackObama site, while indisputably effective for organizing volunteers, otherwise seems like a superficial ploy to attract the same kind of low-information young voters that are supporting him on Facebook and MySpace. I don't understand why the campaign has wasted so much effort on this kind of stuff when, to overcome his real problem--the widespread perception that he's somehow too inexperienced to be President--he needs to reach out to older voters who have probably never even heard of Facebook. I hope I'm wrong on this, but it's the one thing that really bothers me about his campaign. I think the "Obama doesn't support the Democratic party meme" has been blown out of proportion on this site, although I have to admit I still hate the fact that he supported Lieberman in 2006.

by HatchInBrooklyn 2007-08-16 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Social networking sites are a great way to organize volunteers and to get out the vote near election day. Most of the parade walking volunteers in a lot of the parades I've been in came through facebook.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-17 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

We need to utilize young voters? No really? Call Howard Dean because he needs to know about this right away!

I think you missed the boat on a very obvious statement. Clicking a link to sign up on a facebook group and turning out to the polls are two entirely different things. Furthermore we don't know how many of these people are registed to vote or  are eligble to vote. Also just because you join the group doesn't mean Obama is the candiate of your choice. I know plenty of people who are in multiple candidates facebook group.

by world dictator 2007-08-16 10:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

If you look at the cross tabs of polls, they show young voters breaking for Obama too.  Its great, and we've been getting better at showing up, I just hope we come out full force to the caucuses and primaries.

by WellstoneDem 2007-08-15 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

thanks max

by aiko 2007-08-15 07:46PM | 0 recs
Obama campaign event on C-SPAN

C-SPAN has streaming video of this afternoon's Obama campaign event in Iowa.

RealPlayer format:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ 081407_obama.rm

Enjoy.

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A couple of comments:

This is the third Obama event I've watched over the last couple of months. The candidate seems worn out. This one seemed to be lacking in energy and a bit detached.

As he was working the crowd at the end, he told the crowd that he would only autograph copies of his books. He also said several times that he wouldn't pose for photos. I've never seen a candidate do that.

by hwc 2007-08-15 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama campaign event on C-SPAN

Oh please.  Aren't they all?  And when Clinton is on time restraint, she says, good-bye.  Let's not nick pick.

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:05PM | 0 recs
he said he wouldn't pose for photos?

Really? I don't have time to watch the video now.

That is unusual. I've seen candidates cut their stump speeches short to leave more time to shake hands and pose for photos with people in the crowd.

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: he said he wouldn't pose for photos?

I was at an Edwards event today where he literally raced out of the room as soon as the stump speech was through, leaving no time to shake hands or interact with the crowd. I think it was because he was in a hurry, however, as he's developed quite a reputation for being late to his events here in Iowa. I went to the event with a State Representative who said, "We don't have to get there on time... Edwards sure won't." He was only about 15-20 minutes late to the thing I was at, but that was in the middle of the day and he obviously had other things to get to.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-15 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: he said he wouldn't pose for photos?

He said, "I can't pose for individual photos. If you want photos, just take them as I'm movin' along..."

It struck me as odd, because the three or four events I've seen Clinton do, she signs everything and poses with everybody.

by hwc 2007-08-15 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: he said he wouldn't pose for photos?
Clinton did not interact with any of us when I saw her speak at the EFCA rally in front of the Capitol Building. Maybe she only extends that courtesy to Iowans.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama campaign event on C-SPAN

Things are at a ridiculous pace right now... I think they are all tired, and I'm not surprised to hear you say that. I saw Edwards speak today, and he left immediately after the event was over without really interacting with anyone who came.

That being said, Obama is in a unique position in that so many people want his autograph or a picture with him. That just doesn't happen to the same degree with the other candidates (maybe because they write really shitty books)

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-15 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama campaign event on C-SPAN

Now you know how he raise campaign funds.  He sells his books.  He charges people to get in to his free campaign appearances and he even sells his campaign buttons.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama campaign event on C-SPAN

Who are you trolling for?

Hillary or the GOP?

by Sam I Am 2007-08-16 04:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Great stuff, especially the part about poverty. I also admire Edwards for continuing to talk about the issue, but I also think Obama's plan is just plain better. Revitalizing neighborhoods as opposed to essentially abandoning them seems much more sensible to me, showing Obama's experience working in these impoverished places.

by This Machine Kills Fascists 2007-08-15 07:50PM | 0 recs
That's a real

mischaracterization of Edwards plan.  

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: That's a real
Please elaborate.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

It's clear to me that the ticket will be Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama. They are both agents of change, both passionate about change for social justice, in poverty and opportunity for all, for health care for all. They are serious about rule of law, about saving the planet. Both see this time as a unique time for change in our history.

Hillary Clinton wouldn't pick either of them and neither would pick her. She's an officer of the DLC, and has too much political cynacism.

Edwards and Obama are both idealistic pragmatists about preserving democracy. They are political twins.

So how do Democratic voters bounce Hillary? She has been crowned by the political press. If Edwards takes Iowa and Nevada and Obama takes South Carolina and New Hampshire, and Clinton comes in second four times in a row, doesn't she have to quit?

by mrobinsong 2007-08-15 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

We're actually not a democracy. We're a republic. Democracy is simply majority rule, which can absolutely screw 49% of the people.

by alexia 2007-08-15 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Of course the Republic isn't doing too much for us right now either... We get screwed on a regular basis as is.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-15 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Definitions

Of course the US is a democracy.

Definition: Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

There are several forms of a democracy.The two most common forms are a republic or a constitutional monarchy.

Republic: A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.  The legislative branch is congress.

Constitutional Monarchy: System of government in which a monarch shares power with a constitutionally organized government. The monarch may be the de facto head of state or a purely ceremonial leader. The constitution allocates the rest of the government's power to the legislature or parliament and judiciary.

by pioneer111 2007-08-15 10:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Definitions

You need to say this dozens more times.  After 1980 kids were not taught Civics and most have no idea that there are 3 equal branches of Government. Legislative, Executive and Judicial.  Our current President would like to change the constitution and have the power centered in the Executive Branch.  We may see a constitutional crisis before this administration is over.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 11:54PM | 0 recs
neither would pick the other

Edwards or Obama would pick either a governor or someone with a lot of foreign policy experience as VP.

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: neither would pick the other

I used to think that, but now I feel like they would look really good on a ticket together. A lot of times it's best to have a thematic ticket:

1980: Reagan and Bush represent law and order and restoring American confidence

  1. Clinton and Gore represent the "bridge to the 21st Century"
  2. Bush and Cheney represent "bringing dignity back to the WH," plutocracy, and unprecedented levels of corporate corruption

I think Obama and Edwards would make a powerful ticket that represented a dramatic change in the collective national mindset. However, this is probably just wishful thinking since they're my 2 favorite candidates. Out of the top 3, the only combined ticket I can see under any circumstances would be Clinton-Obama, and even this seems unlikely to me (and undesirable, personally). I don't think any of the 3 are eager for the VP spot this time around

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-15 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: neither would pick the other

You are a dreamer.  I am a realist.  We have enormous problems in this country that will take at least 8 years to fix.  This country has been on auto-pilot for the past 6-1/2 years and we are in deep crap.  I want the needs of this nation met before we decide we want to make over the entire world in our image.  Its good for young people to dream big but when you get older you will see that life is about pragmatic things like making sure you can afford to have your share of the American dream.  Its about having healthcare so that one illness won't bankrupt you. Hoping that you won't have to take care of your aging parents while trying to do the best to educate your children and save for your retirement. When FDR became president during the Great Depression he was not a liberal but he was pragmatic and understood that the government had money and the people didn't. He knew his job was to get that money to the people so that they would have something to live for. That would seem to have been a realistic point of view.  What we have right now is change -- we need to go back to what works.    

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 12:17AM | 0 recs
Re: neither would pick the other
we need to go back to what works


If you're black or latino, what/when was that?

If you're gay, what/when was that?

When it comes to health care, as you mention, when exactly was that a functioning system that covered everyone?

This line is not a legitimate solution to any of our society's problems, it is a slogan promoted by one candidate and her supporters.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: neither would pick the other

Bill Clinton created 22 million new jobs.  Consumer confidence was at an all time high, we balanced the budget and social security was secured until the year 2052.  People went from welfare to work because there were jobs available.  The Clintons are smart and bring the best people to Cabinet level positions.    If expanding medicare could not be mandated in 1994, its because of massive corporate advertising by the insurance companies, Unions didn't embrace it and Corporations were against it. Now the cost of healthcare has hit the roof, Unions have signed on and corporations realize that healthcare costs are causing American products to be too expensive to compete in the marketplace. Hillary was part of one of the most successful administrations in the 20th century. She can bring the people who served Bill Clinton back on board to fix this enormous mess she will have inherited from Bush 43.

What has Obama accomplished in his 2 years in the Senate?  What bills can Obama point to and say I made that happen?   He talks about being against the Iraq war but he was not in the Senate at that time.  He has voted for every appropriations bill for that war and has expressed no opposition to it until he decided to run for president. Obama talks in generalities but never in specifics because to tell us what he really wanted to do would turn off the electorate. However, in an unguarded moment he talked about privatizing Social Security.  In the words of Ronald Reagan--trust but verify.  If you like Obama so much then listen to his words and see if you hear him say anything specific about where he would take this nation.

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

I could see an Obama/Edwards ticket but i think an Edwards/Obama ticket is very unlikely since Edwards would have a more difficult time winning the primary because of money and broad support.

Obama has the money + his base is much deeper then Edwards.

Edwards is probably done in South Carolina and the fact that he's moving some staff out of Nevada can't be pictured as good news...My guess is that money is running low and they won't be able to spend too freely in NV while doing so in IA.

News from the ground in Iowa is that Hillary and Obama have completly erased his lead there and the last polls out of Iowa have started showing a closer race.

If Edwards losses his Iowa lead , i just don't see him getting it back because Obama and Hillary have way too much money and will be able to really turn out every rock just to turn out their supporters.

by JaeHood 2007-08-16 04:41AM | 0 recs
who you calling middle-aged?

Max, don't you know life begins at 40? I'm just 38...

by desmoinesdem 2007-08-15 07:58PM | 0 recs
sorry about that one...

i considered taking it out after i first wrote it, but i thought you could handle it haha

but until we get universal health care, your life is half over, statistically speaking

although, I live something of a hedonistic lifestyle, so if anyone's taking bets, we're probably even money

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-15 09:56PM | 0 recs
Nice post

It's obvious that you put lots of time and thought into it.

I'm scarcely a year older than you, and I absolutely understand the generational draw of Obama. I felt it last fall, before he announced.

But I have to agree with BTD. Where is Obama the Democrat? Why is he a Democrat? Does he agree with Edwards and Dodd that 2009 is too long to wait to get out of Iraq?

Talking about poverty and race is important. But the #1 issue in America today is Iraq, just as it was last November, and two Novembers before that.

I really want to like Obama--I mean that--but I think he's flushing his considerable platform down the toilet, while occasionally hectoring Democrats for being Democrats.

by andgarden 2007-08-15 08:05PM | 0 recs
Coverage

I was watching news in Minnesota, and I was feeling a warm fuzzy feeling for Hillary - then I thought about it, the coverage was really biased toward Hillary, capturing her best moments, when I know Obama is a better speaker. So does anyone track this? Can demonstrate and document this or is it just my impression? Has corporate media picked the Democratic candidate?

by Grace Kelly 2007-08-15 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

YES

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

yes

by nevadadem 2007-08-15 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

We have bits of news being reported titled, "Is Obama black enough?"

I haven't seen any titled "Is Clinton woman enough?"

So my answer is yes.  They aren't cutting the cake the same.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Hillary Clinton was asked if she was black enough to be President.  

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Is she?

by Sam I Am 2007-08-16 04:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

judging by the trend that has emerged among last 43 Presidents, yes.

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Being that Bill Clinton was the first Black President you would have to judge for yourself.

by changehorses08 2007-08-16 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

It's just your perception.  Hillary gets plenty of lousy coverage.  

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Corporations LOVE She-who-must-not-be-named....

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-15 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Forget watching the snippets on the news. If you want to get a real sense of the candidates, watch a campaign speech from each one. C-SPAN has recent events from all the candidates:

Clinton in Beaufort, SC (edited down to 10 minutes, beginning and end of speech):

rtsp:/video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ 072807_clinton.rm

Obama in Iowa today, Michelle introduction, speech, followed by questions:

rtsp:video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ 081407_obama.rm

Edwards in Iowa, intro by Elizabeth followed by Edwards:

rtsp:/video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ 081407_edwards.rm

Here's a link to the entire C-SPAN archive. There are tons of candidate appearances going back to 2005:

http://www.campaignnetwork.org/VideoArch ive.aspx?section=section1

by hwc 2007-08-15 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Oops:

Obama link

rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ 081407_obama.rm

by hwc 2007-08-15 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

Edwards link

rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ 081407_edwards.rm

by hwc 2007-08-15 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

BTW:

To answer your question, Clinton is outstanding on the stump in the way she connects with her audiences. I don't think the newsbytes do her justice.

by hwc 2007-08-15 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Coverage

are you from the cities, Grace? I like your blog a lot, though I have to admit I haven't been doing a good job of keeping up with the MN blogosphere, especially this summer

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 09:10AM | 0 recs
But..but..but..but

...Obama should get more experience. Obama should wait until 2016. Obama should be nice to Hillary.

;)

by Nedsdag 2007-08-15 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: But..but..but..but

Someone needs to be the Harry Potter to her Voldemort... Might as well be Obama.

by yitbos96bb 2007-08-15 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: But..but..but..but

Yes, because coronating her president is just so much easier.  

Can anyone explain to me why Clinton supporters want competitors out of the picture entirely?  

I've seen multiple posts by multiple people reflecting this attitude and I don't find it healthy for any democracy by any means.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-08-15 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

It is Obama's time to lead. Wonderful work, Max.

by hanna 2007-08-15 09:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

I like that you are young and active in politics.  However, I do not see what you see in Obama.  I think in time when he is more seasoned he might be a fine candidate.  Right now however, he is too green and the problems in this nation are too big.  He talks about being a uniter and yet he thinks its necessary to divide Democrats.  I am very disappointed that he has not appeared to have thought out his reasons for wanting to be President and that he is part of the same old politics of trashing your opponents so that you can be the only one left standing when the primaries are over.  Where did the audacity of hope go?  Or is it too audacious for us to believe that a candidate who talks about hope actually means to run a hopeful campaign.  In the first 3 months of his campaign people really liked him but the more they saw of him the more they realized that he is not ready to be President.

by changehorses08 2007-08-15 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead
Primaries are divisive by their nature. You show me a primary candidate who is a uniter and I'll show you an also-ran. I see Hillary Clinton as being divisive in this campaign as well, but it's foolish to criticize her about it because she's trying to win a freaking election, as are all the candidates.
by anevarez 2007-08-16 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

It's a primary election, and he's in 2nd place. He needs to begin drawing distinctions between himself and Clinton if he wants to win. Edwards is doing the same thing with both Clinton and Obama. In my experience, most of the people who ask questions like "what ever happened to the politics of hope?" are either Republicans looking to take a shot at a Democrat or Clinton supporters who were hoping for their candidate to have a cakewalk primary with Obama emerging as the VP

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Great post, Max.  I'm also an Obama supporter, and I was sort of surprised to figure out that part of my attraction to him as a candidate was a generational thing.  I'm 28, and I don't even identify with my own generation all that well.  But I recently had an argument/discussion with my Dad (a baby boomer in every sense of the word) about the candidates, and I discovered that I am truly sick of boomers being in charge.  I really hope that we're ready to move on from that era.

By the way, I grew up in Evanston -- my Mom still lives there at the corner of Forest and Main.  It's a great town.

Sarah

by Sarah R Carter 2007-08-15 10:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Wow, really? There's a great restaurant about 2 blocks down from her place then: The Lucky Platter. It's got a pretty good vegetarian menu, but also has some really good sandwiches, grilled fish, etc. I'm sure you've been there more than me, but if you haven't, it's definitely worth hitting up the next time you visit your mom

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 12:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Great post Max. But if you are within 10 miles of Evanston and not eating at Buffalo Joe's, you should get your head checked. :)

by Benstrader 2007-08-16 12:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

HA!, I love Buff Joe's as well. Great place... I remember trying to pay with a debit card the first time I went and getting the dirtiest look ever. I had a friend who lived on Church and Ridge, and every weekend when we'd go over to watch college football games, we'd stop by Buff Joe's and pick up some wings. Mmmm, can't wait to get back to town this fall

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-16 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

Great post Max...Keep up the good job.

by JaeHood 2007-08-16 04:50AM | 0 recs
Facebook is troublesome...

...for instance I am an Obama supporter on Facebook, in fact of the major candidates Obama is the only one I have listed facebook support for... but I don't intend to work for him in the primaries, I don't trust him for back-stabbing progressives in his words.

by MNPundit 2007-08-16 04:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Why It's Obama's Time to Lead

I am new here.And alot of people seem to be mad at obama because he isn't partisan enough.Haven't we learned that does not get you any where.Just look at the last past 6 yrs.I want a president who is for everybody,no matter what there political view is.Not another Bush who's just for the republicans.

by blue time 2007-08-17 07:15AM | 0 recs

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