Fundraising in '03 and '07

The comparison that Obama's campaign has brought up, in relation to Howard Dean's numbers, is something to look into, along with how Obama's fundraising tactics, specifically raising small funds from his speaking venues, points toward how he has changed the terrain, which Edwards just recently adapted to, but not Clinton.

The numbers of Obama now, 258,000 donors and 358,000 contributions, are nearing the number that Howard Dean took in during his '04 presidential campaign. The number of donors to Dean's campaign was approximately 318,000 and the total number of donations made was approximately 454,000. The comparison, as far as the numbers go, shows that Obama has set new records for this point in the campaign, but the campaigns are drastically different in origination.

Obama has had the advantage of having mainstream media coverage that has been very widespread and positive. It's really only in the liberal blogosphere and on liberal websites, that you see any tough analysis of Obama's candidacy at all. That's something that doesn't compare with Howard Dean, which seemed the exact opposite.

Dean's widespread coverage was on the blogs, and among the liberal websites, and very little outside of that until the end of the year. Positive? The establishment's resistance to Dean was immense, and the mainstream media coverage, what little of there was, would always counter-balance the positive things happening with Dean's campaign with negative quotes from insider Democrats. Dean depended on the internet and small donors; Obama got 70 percent of his 1Q money from $1,000 and up donors. It's on the strength of having such a high-donor base that Obama nearly broke the record that Bush set during the second quarter of 2003, when Bush took in over $35 million.

I think the real story here, is not how Obama is similar to Dean, but how he is different. One of the things I noticed during the 1Q, is how a relatively small part of Obama's 1Q raised came from the internet. In the 1Q this cycle, is that Obama raised $6.9 million (out of $26 million) over the internet; just above Edwards, who raised $3.3 million (out of $14 million) over the net. In comparison, Dean, who raised about $50M overall for his campaign, had $25M of it come directly over the internet. Over half of Dean's funds came from online donors (and even more than half in the first few quarters), but much less of a percentage for Edwards, and even less for Obama (I've not seen internet-raised numbers for 2Q from any candidate).

It's not the internet, but instead it's Obama's strategy of having paid events has been the boon needed to skyrocket his donor numbers. I've not seen a story on the phenomenon that he's created, but the paid venues have got to have provided Obama with tens of thousands of donors to add to his overall numbers. It's the speaking-venue donors (similar to a rock concert), not internet donors, that's leveraged the donor numbers for Obama; and alongside the astounding high-donor numbers that have sky-rocketed his total raised, it's combined to create a compelling narrative that gives a strategic advantage to Obama.

The Edwards campaign noticed what Obama was doing, and also embarked on a similar effort:

Only a few weeks ago, Edwards introduced "Small Change for Big Change," a series of grassroots fundraisers geared to attract small donations. The events have been held in major cities across the country, and have brought in 40,000 donors.

And that's paid off:

...slightly more than half of the $9 million -- $4.7 million -- came from small donations. In the first quarter, more than 80 percent of donations to the Edwards campaign were $100 and under; this quarter, more than 80 percent were $50 and under.

This reflects the campaign's effort to expand its grass-roots base and to rely more heavily on Internet donations. Mr. Prince said the number of contributors had increased by 70,000 in this quarter to reach a total of 100,000 donors.

Smart moves by Obama, and a good counter by Edwards. Crickets from Clinton.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards (all tags)

Comments

95 Comments

Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I think it's time to stop the name calling and the unfair use of the term "rock star" when describing Obama.  The label implies a popularity outside the realm of politics which is not true.  He caught the attention of the nation because of his riveting, inspirational address at the 2004 Convention.  He added to that popularity with his work for the Party during the 2006 elections to do all he could to restore a Democratic majority to Congress. He furthered his popularity with writing two books to explain how his personal history has molded his politics.  There is nothing "rock star" about it, it is politics which have motivated huge numbers of people in this country.

In your sentence "It's the speaking venue donors (similar to a rock concert), not internet donors, that's leveraged the donor numbers for Obama", what does the term "rock star" add to your point?  Nothing, except to somehow degrade the experience.  The people who come to the Obama events do not do so to be entertained.  They come looking to be inspired, looking to be believe once again, or perhaps for the first time, that they can make a difference, that politics are meaningful.  To denigrate Obama as a "rock star" likewise denigrates the people who come to hear him as "groupies" and their motivations as "entertainment".  It's time to stop these insults.

by Doug Dilg 2007-07-02 07:22AM | 0 recs
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If you can't handle the reality of celebrity as a factor in life, then that's your thing, but rock star is perfectly appropriate to reflect the point- media driven attention based on personality. Why is Paris Hilton in the news? Why are other celebrities in the news? It's not what they have done. None of this takes away from Obama, but it's disingenious to claim that positive media attension doesn't affect either his donor base or the amount of money raised. That would be like claiming media doesn't matter.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

WHAT POSSITIVE NEWS?

NAME IT?

Give me a list of the so-called positive News because I haven't seen it and I'm a bona fide News Junkie.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I won't play this little game with you. If you want to pretend that Obama hasn't gotten a lot of good free press that's your thing. But, let me flip this by asking why exactly does it bother you so much that Obama is liked by the press, and how is that a slur in your mind?

by bruh21 2007-07-02 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Yeah. That's because you can't name anything. That "Good Press" claim isn't working anymore.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

After reading some of your posts in the other diaries- nevermind. I understand now your principle emotional approach is instigation. Good luck with that- I want be playing.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 08:06AM | 0 recs
Why won't you answer his/her question?

You mentioned all this "free press" that Obama is supposedly getting. S/he asked for examples of what you were talking about.

So why won't you answer the question?

by Mystylplx 2007-07-02 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't you answer his/her question?

because the question is silly.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

by the way- google his name in news- check out just the headlines. it's all crowd mentality type of coverage. rah-rah headlines. if the other poster wre interested he or she could have done the same. but they aren't. the question merely suppose that i got a problem with that element of politics, when  in fact i think we need more of that kind of dedication on the democratic side.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Google "john Edwards" and it's all rah rah stuff too. There's nothing significantly different in the way they are being covered. Right at this moment there's several stories singing the praises of EE. Most of Obama's stories at the moment are about his fund-raising prowess, but that's to be expected when he's now proven himself to be a better fundraiser than the previos champ, Bill Clinton.

by Mystylplx 2007-07-02 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

i googled his name so i can safely say- uh no.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

So can anyone else and safely see "uh yes." A couple stories about the fundraising numbers, some fluff pieces on E.Edwards, one story (on the first page) about his call for a minimum wage hike, a pro-Edwards piece talking about Ann Coulter (or maybe a anti-Coulter piece would be a better description.) etc.

Now how does that differ from the coverage Obama is getting? Other than the fact that currently Obama's press coverage is mostly fundraising news they get about the same kind of coverage. Obama gets more because he's polling much higher. The press has been pretty kind to Edwards so far. The only things he's really been hit with are the $400 haircuts and the hedgefunds stories, both of which played out quickly.

Obama, on the other hand, has been hit by everything other than the kitchen sink. Neither of them are being hit by anything right now.

Which would you prefer? Getting made fun of for a $400 haircut? Or being called a "magic negro" in the LA Times? Edwards has had it easy so far.

by Mystylplx 2007-07-02 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

i didn't just google today.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Neither did I.

by Mystylplx 2007-07-05 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Yeah, I don't see it either, but maybe I'm biased.

I'm in Chicago and the Neocon Tribune has been savaging him.

by Bush Bites 2007-07-02 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

By the way- let me be even more clear- I think Obama if he does have celebrity should absolutely use it. I think his charging so that he can raise money that way is brilliant. I am glad Edwards is following his lead. This stuff is all kumbaya stuff about what you think we are thinking. I just told you what I am thinking- now how does that fit into your mindset that this is an insult.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

By the way- as usual you read things through your own lense. It's only an insult if you are unable to handle reality.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

The gist of your nitpicking seems theological in essence-- that I am somehow degrading "the experience" by comparing Obama's paid speaking venues to a paid rock concert.

I love rock concerts. And the comparison, unless you can make a case for some other one, is spot on. People pay to go and listen to Barack Obama; people don't pay to go and listen to other politicians. It's an Obama phenomenon. Not "just like" but "similar" to a rock concert. The key of the comparison is paying for the event.

It's a compelling breakthrough by Obama in small-donor fundraising that Edwards is following, and I'm sure others will be as well.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-07-02 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Now that Edwards is doing the same is he now a "rock star".  Your claim that people don't pay to listen to other politicians is not true - what about $2300 plate dinners?  You don't think people are paying big bucks to go to a celebrity's house to hear Clinton.  What Obama did was take that concept and bring it to the people.  It really has more to do with "populism" than popularity but of course you wouldn't use that word because it implies something which may not be true or may not convey the image you want. Heavens forbid, this wave of excitement be considered populism or a movement.  Your sentence didn't need it.  It was put there as a dig.

by Doug Dilg 2007-07-02 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Yea, Edwards is now a rock star too.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-07-02 08:01AM | 0 recs
Well...

... I wouldn't say "star." More like an opening act at this point, but at least he's trying.

by Mystylplx 2007-07-02 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I don't care he being called a "rock star", rock stars draw loyal FANS, who PAY to SEE them.  Only Obama hopes these fans continue to donate and vote for him.  They are donating, we will see in January if they vote.

by icebergslim 2007-07-02 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Jerome's 'rock star' argument promotes the message that the  people attending these 'events' are passive and superficial spectators, fans, and not involved in the process of progressive politics like his beloved netroots.  He ignores the organisational successes of the campaign, like the mobilisation of committed canvassers, and portrays Obama as a creature of popular culture.

This is a dangerous and negative frame for Obama and should not be accepted, it is essentially derogatory and dismisses Obama as a serious candidate.  It is merely a clever variation of the 'fluff' candidate argument which has been used, inappropriately, by Obama's detractors from day one.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-02 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

The "rock star" thing doesn't bother me, as long as they don't imply there's no substance behind the personality.

As far as I'm concerned, it's about time the Democrats had a compelling personality running for president.

If Gore or Kerry were "rock stars," we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

(Though, I'd argue, Gore is now a "rock star" too.)

by Bush Bites 2007-07-02 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Just as an aside, the Edwards campaign was doing small-dollar house parties and such around the same time Obama started doing the $25 per person events.  But in making them a bigger, planned set of events did follow after Obama made some waves with his.  

by Peter from WI 2007-07-02 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Nice try, Jerome, but no sale.  Yes, Obama has used his paid speaking events to increase his donor base and it is a clever and effective strategy.  No, this does not invalidate his message, which is about crafting post-partisan solutions in an ailing political system by engaging large numbers of previously marginalised voters to build a mandate for change.

Your 'rock star' frame is intended to diminish Obama as a serious political leader and portray him as a creature of popular culture, a 'fluff' candidate, and it disrespectfully belittles as 'fans' the thousands of supporters who give their time and money to his campaign because they understand and believe in his message.  The people are not stupid, Jerome.  Obama and Edwards supporters would just stay home if they were not committed to change in the US political process and attempting to dismiss these significant online and attendance numbers as a junk culture phenomenon does them a disservice.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-02 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I like "rock star" but can you use Slate's "messiah watch" language in the future.

by gb1437a 2007-07-02 07:33AM | 0 recs
What's wrong with rock stars?

Obama is running a terrific rock star campaign. Even the video of his events on his website is rockstar in style.

It's not happening by accident.

by hwc 2007-07-02 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I don't think Armstrong was using 'rock star' in a disparaging way. I've seen both HRC and Obama refered to as rock star candidates in non-disparaging ways.

It's true that some use the term to paint Obama supporters as people who don't know anything, but that's not what Armstrong was doing here.

by Newsie8200 2007-07-02 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Expect to hear more crickets from HRC considering her campaign isn't even releasing from what I've read the number of donors. That's telling if true that they are refusing to do so. It suggests their support is a mile wide, inch deep.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 07:23AM | 0 recs
an inch wide

with  a mile deep pockets

by TarHeel 2007-07-02 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I'll be shocked if Edwards pulled more donors then Hillary in q2...That would be big news...Maybe this is the reason why she's not releasing it...She wants it to be lost in the news of Bill Clinton campaigning in Iowa.

by JaeHood 2007-07-02 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I actually believe Obama bested Dean Q2 internet totals in Q1... I think he has raised more on the internet now than Dean had raised online through Q3

by gb1437a 2007-07-02 07:25AM | 0 recs
Crickets for John Kerry at this time.

Yes the landscape is very different. But it's my impression that Kerry won by insider efforts in Iowa. I can see Clinton doing that. Then the rest is standard broadcast media stuff. Clinton can do that.

Now maybe Edwards can do an insider Iowa thing and probably Obama can keep up with Clinton on the standard media thing. We await to see whether the media turns on Obama and/or Edwards. Clinton is essentially inoculated against media negativity.

Of course, it's interesting that I'm painting a picture of how Clinton can win it, as if she has to catch up.

by Jeff Wegerson 2007-07-02 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Crickets for John Kerry at this time.

We await to see whether the media turns on Obama and/or Edwards.

I think the media already turned on Edwards.  Haircut, Hedgefund, and (*Gasp!) he's rich!  The media has dutifully repeated the wingers' attacks.
by maddogg 2007-07-02 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Crickets for John Kerry at this time.

The media has not turned on Edwards, that implies that they were positive on him and I don't believe they have been positive on him this election cycle.  The media wants a Hillary v. Obama story and Edwards gets in the way of that.  Just look at how MSM handled the E. Edwards cancer story.  

by msstaley 2007-07-02 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Crickets for John Kerry at this time.

Good points about Edwards, thanks.

by Jeff Wegerson 2007-07-02 10:35AM | 0 recs
Internet Donors - 50,000
Jerome is, I think, only right about the percentage of money raised --- not about the percentage of donors.
ABC News on April 4th has Obama raising $6.9 million off the internet, which is not a huge percentage of his total.
But that money was raised by 50,000 donors online --- half of his total number of donors.
So while Obama isn't getting a huge percentage of his funds from the internet yet, his overwhelming number of donors is 50% from the net.
by psericks 2007-07-02 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Internet Donors - 50,000
The link:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id= 3007098
by psericks 2007-07-02 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Internet Donors - 50,000

And his overwhelming number of donors is the result of small-donor contributions:

90 percent of Obama's donations were small donations of $100 or less

Again, it all depends on whether you're looking at percentage of funds raised or at the percentage of people contributing.

by psericks 2007-07-02 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Internet Donors - 50,000

Thanks, that's corrected [from 4.2 to 6.9] but the wider point is still the same-- his take over the internet not being as large a percentage as Deans for his overall numbers. Dean's internet numbers, as a percentage of people contributing, were much higher than 50 percent.

So out of Obama's 100,000 1Q donors, half of them were internet, probably about 10,000 of them high-donor, and the other 40,000 would have come from direct mail/events?

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-07-02 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Internet Donors - 50,000

And I think your general point about venue-driven small donations is really interesting.  I don't mean to dispute it.
I just think the internet story with the Obama campaign isn't about dollars raised but about the number of contributors.
Obama's strategy of encouraging people to give a contribution online of any amount to continue to grow the number of contributors seems to be paying off.  They focused very heavily in their online drives (unlike Dean's bat) on gathering numbers than on dollars.  The strategy and use of the internet is different: the idea is to draw people into the campaign and generates excitement (and get them to encourage friends to contribute).  So while Obama's huge fundraising total isn't on the internet, a hefty portion of his hundreds of thousands of contributors are.  It is a key role.

(Your numbers are probably about right. Opensecrets.org has the number of $200+ contributors at 15,195 and $2,300+ contributors at 4,821, no break-down for $1,000+...)

by psericks 2007-07-02 08:02AM | 0 recs
Opinion

1. Those of us who attend events have already donated to the campaign so we are paying for the 25.00 tickets to the Campaign Rallies, not "Rock Concerts" as well as donating on line and by phone.

2. Obama has NOT received an overwhelming positive Media coverage, but rather the opposite. Although, I agree that the blogosphere has been more obnoxiously vicious towards him. The real truth is that despite the attacks from Madassa to Punjab , there has been nothing but false allegations against Obama that won't stick.

3. Obama is not Dean ( Thank you Jesus ) and never asserted that he was running his campaign like Dean. They were simply pointing out where Dean was in the race and where they are now. Just like Edwards stole ideas from the Obama Campaign , the Obama Campaign took some good ideas from the Dean campaign.

4. Those who attend his "concerts" got their information about Obama ON LINE through other Obama Supporter outlets . So, it really doesn't matter whether they donate on line or via phone or at the events. It all goes back to the on-line grassroots from individual Obama supporters who launch their own events and outreaches on behalf of the senator.

5. I don't think it's fair or appropriate to ridicule and dismiss 350,000 Obama Supporters by insulting our intelligence with the suggestion that our support is shallow with your references to Obama Campaign events being nothing more than "Rock Concerts". We know exactly who Obama is and we support him.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

So your problem with the analogy at base is how it makes you feel right?

by bruh21 2007-07-02 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

No.

It's not true. I don't like when people state opinions as if they are facts.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

if you say so.

by bruh21 2007-07-02 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

I do

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

You do realize that this was a very positive front-page post about Obama, right?

Yet you dutifully found a way to be wholly insulted at the very prospect of someone having a different opinion of Obama than you do.

by LandStander 2007-07-02 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

Agreed. I don't understand why these posters are getting so worked up. I read this post as being very positive and insightful. I think these posters who are getting so worked up are reading way, way too much into his analogy.

I should also note that I particularly enjoyed the irony from the poster claiming that the analogy was "not true" (clearly an opinion) and then stating in the next breath, " I don't like when people state opinions as if they are facts."

by yedi 2007-07-02 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Opinion

Your resistance to this frame of Jerome's is well stated.  This was not a positive front page diary on Obama but yet another attempt, as you say, to ridicule and dismiss 350,000 Obama supporters by insulting our intelligence with the suggestion that our support is shallow.  And not for the first or last time either.

It is perhaps too much to ask that the 'established' netroots embrace the message and the aims of Obama's campaign, but it would be nice if they were at least fair and balanced commentators.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-02 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

IMHO, the key is taking the GOOD parts of the Dean campaign, mixing in new ideas, and having an improved overall performance.  There's certainly no reason to replicate Dean's campaign, since it didn't ultimately succeed.

Obama's challenge is really threefold - he must: 1) excite the base (which is most likely to vote in the primary); 2) build continued goodwill among the general electorate; and 3) battle a fairly entrenched front-runner for the nomination, who has locked up almost all of the casual voters and institutional support.  When people nitpick how Obama's campaign is being run, I wish they would keep these concurrent challenges in mind.  

Dean did a great job, at least initially, at #1.  Some would posit that #2 is unnecessary, or even counter-productive - but I vehemently disagree.  Dean never really attempted to address #2, and it's all speculation how he would have handled the general.  Dean also didn't have to deal with #3, as the potential 800-pound gorillas (Gore and HRC) both passed.

I really, truly think that Obama has just been doing the dirty work in the trenches to set up the big play.  Obama has done a good - if not perfect - job walking the tightrope, building goodwill (#2) and exciting supporters (#1).  He now has the ammunition to take on the challenge of #3, hopefully without sacrificing primary or general election goodwill (as going negative early would have done).

by NC State Dem 2007-07-02 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I think you buy the tickets for the Obama events online, so those actually might contribute to his online totals.

by enarjay 2007-07-02 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

And that is part of the process - accessibility online.  This is where I really give Obama's campaign credit for their outreach to donors.

It all can be used legitimately  to create his narrative.

by pioneer111 2007-07-02 10:17AM | 0 recs
Obama's Q1 online take was $6.9M -- not $4.2M

$6.9M was a little more than 26% of Obama's $26M total for Q1.

$4.2M was Clinton's online number.

WaPo story here.

by horizonr 2007-07-02 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Q1 online take was $6.9M -- not $4.2M

Thanks for the correction.

by horizonr 2007-07-02 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Q1 online take was $6.9M -- not $4.2M

Thanks, let me know if you see 2Q numbers.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-07-02 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Q1 online take was $6.9M -- not $4.2M

I'll keep my eyes peeled.

by horizonr 2007-07-02 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

rofl ok thats the first time I have ever seen anyone use the term crickets like that and it rocks.

you are absolutely right. there is a total inverse symmetry to this entire deal. obama is coming off too green for me here.

imho and i mean H.o.  the coverage regarding astronomical budget figures is not dissimiliar to baseball salaries.

if anything what we've learned from baseball is tha that the team that just pours the most money into things will only bounce up their chance to go to the show by what - I wish I had a number here - but lets say maybe by half.

chance happeneth to all things. I started out the season in obama's camp but he just continually strikes me as green, green green green.

if anything obama / richardson would be my ideal ticket if we're stuck with him. but my ideal ticket in the whole world would be  richardson/clinton.

by Trey Rentz 2007-07-02 07:51AM | 0 recs
Wait a sec...

The idea that Obama raised significant of his money through speaking events seems disingenuous to me.  It implies that he is merely capitalizing on the fact that people want to see him speak, rather than eliciting somehow more "legitimate" donations from people who believe in his campaign.  I think the vast majority of people that pay to hear him speak do so because they want to contribute to the campaign and would do so otherwise.  In addition, most of his larger rallies have been free and it was only recently that he had some events where you had to purchase tickets.  Chicago, Austin, Oakland... all free.

And why does it matter where the funds were raised?  I understand we are all on a blog here and like to think of ourselves as important and "leading indicators" and such, but who cares if money is raised over the internet or by other means?  Why are percentages raised online relevant?  Does the grassroots take many forms?

by BobbyWallace 2007-07-02 07:54AM | 0 recs
while it is working for him, it is setting a BAD

precedent that, from now on, you need to PAY to see a politician speak. are you fucking kidding me? the founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew that citizens needed to pay in order to hear the views of a candidate. it reminds me of donald trump's infomercials where, for only $19.95, you can learn how to be a millionaire. now, for only $19.95, you can go listen to a politician and see if he is worthy of your vote. give me a break. i don't mind obama himself but please - you arent really building a movement just because you have people pay to come see you speak and made a lot of money doing it.

by scanman1722 2007-07-02 08:03AM | 0 recs
WTF ?

Uh, yeah. Okay.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: WTF ?

face it, you're biased. every time someone writes anything about obama that isnt licking his balls, you cry foul. stop - its annoying. deal with the fact that not everyone thinks he is the greatest think since sliced bread. also deal with the fact that not saying something great about him is not exactly saying something bad about him.

by scanman1722 2007-07-02 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: WTF ?

Yes. You just described the average Edwards supporter. You should post a diary.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 08:19AM | 0 recs
Perhaps you should ask how...

to remove "Edwards" from your name.

by citizen53 2007-07-02 09:23AM | 0 recs
I support the gist of this comment...

1,000%.  I suspect that is where we are headed, and it's in the wrong direction from my perspective.

by citizen53 2007-07-02 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Here's what I'm missing: to attend one of Obama's live events, you generally had to purchase your ticket over the Internet.  

There are two other advantages to this format that haven't been discussed yet:

  • gives him something to do in these cities other than speak at $1000+ events, and
  • generates free media in cities where there's little active campaigning right now.

by Adam B 2007-07-02 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

by the way- its not just Obama speaking events- there are also Obama donor parties that my friends keep inviting me to attend

by bruh21 2007-07-02 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

This was a good strategy for Obama.

I remember many on these boards were criticizing him for "paid" kickoffs.  But, these "kickoffs" was able to garner addresses, email addresses, etc. and able to throw their names in the donor bank.

And the thing about it is how many folk will really PAY to see a politician?  Not many, whose views of politicans are anything but NICE, but people are paying to see him.

After Q1, Edwards did the same thing and it paid off.  Why Clinton has not garnered this tactic is beyond me?  What is it?  Too good to ask for 10, 15, 25 bucks?  That is something her campaign is going to have to address.  Because she lost this money game due to SMALL DONORS, period.  There are power and numbers in the people over corporate.  And if she want Obama OUT of her striking distance, she need to cut the money, and she has not been able to do this.  Until then, he organizes and still is a pain in the ass, to her.

by icebergslim 2007-07-02 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

No one, as far as I know, has yet raised the point about matching funds. Obama and Clinton have already foregone matching and will not have to stay within the caps. I presume, though, that Edwards will accept matching funds --- which is why a $40m ticket makes sense. If he raises $40 + gets his match on donations up to 250 per donor, that will put him at the spending caps for the early states.

The question is whether or not Clinton or Obama will pay any political price for foregoing matching funds and spending caps in the primaries. The way people are talking about Obama and Clinton, even around here, folks seem to think that its good to end to even partial public financing of elections -- a step we absolutely need to take to save our democracy.

by desmoulins 2007-07-02 08:14AM | 0 recs
no?

Public financing is completely superfluous for candidates who can build movements on their own. All public financing does is allow joke candidates like Kucinich to farm taxpayers' money.

by jforshaw 2007-07-02 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: no?

Obama has stated he would use public financing in the general if the Republican nominee agrees.  He is serious about this.  He took the trouble to get a ruling from the FEC and they accepted his argument.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-02 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Quick addendum -- foregoing caps is what allowed Kerry to spend $5 down the stretch and come from behind in Iowa. The point is that a candidate who hoards his or her resources but remains competitive, could very well pull out from the pack.

by desmoulins 2007-07-02 08:15AM | 0 recs
I don't belive this is entirely correct

"Dean's widespread coverage was on the blogs, and among the liberal websites, and very little outside of that until the end of the year."

Dean had tremendous coverage through the summer and into the fall of 2003. By the end of the year, not as much, so it's the opposite of what you say. In the weeks leading into Iowa, though, what he had was a whole lot of negative press coverage whereas Kerry and Edwards received only positive coverage in that period.

by zac 2007-07-02 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't belive this is entirely correct

Dean really got negative coverage after Saadam Hussein was captured in Mid-Dec. and he made the remark, I suppose it is a good thing. The national press and all of the other democratic candidates jumped all over him for that remark.

His prophetic remark that this does nothing to end the war in Iraq though true was not believed at the time and was cast as a negative  comment by him.

by BDM 2007-07-02 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

I think this is a good point.  To me edwards and dean are similar in one respect that I think is prone to failure.  They try to make the campaign about its supporters.

Considering the fact that at the end of the day you are electing a president and not the presidents supporter's I think that that is a bad strategy and one Obama is not repeating.

by sterra 2007-07-02 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

how is your post connected t the diary other than you trying to pigback off of it>

by bruh21 2007-07-02 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

HRC did do at least one event similar to what Obama and Edwards have been doing.

It was in the D.C. area. American Idol alum Katherine McPhee was there.  

It's definitely not something HRC's camp has done as much as Obama and Edwards.

Obama got A+ media coverage in Q1 (mostly do to one of the best candidate announcements ever, which has the added bonus of forcing Chris Matthews to freeze his butt off in below-freezing temperatures in IL). The media coverage in Q2 was mixed (C+/B-), but he ended up with more money & more donors anyway. The good thing about those small donor events is that the attendees get to tell their friends & family about Obama... spread the gospel if you will. Helps combat any negative media coverage.  

Before the Q2 numbers came out, Edwards was getting quite a bit of credit for the small donor strategy, which really should've gone to Obama... After, Obama got the small donor strategy credit. Obama's media team did their job in getting the best coverage (with the added benefit of much of what they put out as 'accurate spin') post Q2 numbers release.

Two key differences between Dean and Obama... Obama is a better natural politician. He's also got a more compelling life story. (How many people can say that they're a son of a goatherder?)

Also, one more thing.  Both Obama and HRC are tapping into media venues that aren't political in nature usually. HRC did an interview with the tabloid entertainment TV show "The Insider" in May, but I saw tidbits re-run in June. Obama recently called into Hot97 in NYC. I assume that JRE is doing this, but I haven't seen/read/heard anything with my own eyes.

by Newsie8200 2007-07-02 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

due to, not do to.

by Newsie8200 2007-07-02 08:37AM | 0 recs
ugh, due to, not do to.

by Newsie8200 2007-07-02 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: ROCK STAR

Can those of you who have dismissed the Obama Campaign as nothing more than a hyped up love fest of groupies over a celebrity, do me a favor please?

Click on this link and read about ten or fifteen of the comments and tell me how you have come to that conclusion.

Thank you

http://www.barackobama.com/

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-07-02 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: ROCK STAR

I just read some of the comments.  They are all about how Obama inspires them, not about what Obama is committed to doing.  It is a qualitative difference that sometimes I think is hard to communicate to someone that doesn't see it - and I think this is true in both directions.  I just don't get the adulation of Obama, and I really would like to understand it.  So there is something in people's perspective that is different and I think we seem to talk past each other.  I believe it creates frustration from both sides, but I don't know how to get past it.  It is an interesting phenomenon in itself.  Maybe an insight will come at some point.

by pioneer111 2007-07-02 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: ROCK STAR

Because a key part of being President is to be able to inspire people.  Kucinich probably has the best health care program, that doesn't make him the best candidate.  The job is for leader of the Nation so that ability to frame issues in a way which inspires people is very important.  If you read Obama's speeches it is very clear what he is committed to.  He also offers specifics but we all know the specifics don't get passed as is.  It is Obama's ability to keep focussed on what he is committed to and not get wrapped up in possession of the specifics which enables him to accomplish things in the legislature and to reach across party lines without compromising his ideals.

by Doug Dilg 2007-07-02 12:24PM | 0 recs
chum

The Obama campaign spent a massive amount on chum (hats, t-shirts, buttons, bumper stickers) in Q1, far more, proportionally, than any other campaign. Over $300k to "Tiger Eye Promotions", an online chum vendor.

They are getting small donations not only from tickets, but from chum sales. The campaign appears to operate very much like a merchandising effort around a rock star.

by souvarine 2007-07-02 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: chum

So you are buying the 'rock star'/junk politician frame?  I thought you were supposed to be an insightful political commentator yet you are just piling on to Jerome's derogatory message.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-02 01:29PM | 0 recs
Frames

MSNBC is framing the moeny numbers in terms of Primary dollars - showing Obama ahead of Clinton by 10 million - this is pretty important in how it is framed

by gb1437a 2007-07-02 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Frames

This is good, as far as it goes, but the much stronger frame -- and the real ledger-sheet
story -- is that Obama raised half again as much as Clinton for the primaries, and
that even Bill Clinton could not keep this from happening.

by horizonr 2007-07-02 09:18AM | 0 recs
Ticket sales vs. support...

I wonder if one who buys a ticket to see a politician can be considered a donor, or is that person more accurately a paid attendee?

Will these one time ticket sales translate into votes, or even subsequent contributions?

by citizen53 2007-07-02 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Ticket sales vs. support...

I think the fact that 10 million came from online donations means that came from dedicated donations.  20 million could be fluffed from events, but probably less to account for mail, people who really did go to see the senator and plan to donate again, etc.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-07-02 09:52AM | 0 recs
Not sure if this has been posted yet

but around $3.5 million for the Edwards campaign for the 2nd quarter. So they did a bit better online this quarter than last.

by okamichan13 2007-07-02 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Obama has big donors.  Nobody's hiding that fact.  Significant to note that 90% of Obama's donors can donate more.  That means about* 25k people have donated to their full extent.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-07-02 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: What does internet fundraising mean?

Maybe someone can help me on this.  What difference does it make how the contributions are actually made- via the internet (credit card), via mail (checks, cash and credit card), at fundraisers (checks, cash and credit card) or at large events (checks, cash or credit card)?  

Aren't we just talking about a venue/method of payment and not necessarily support from the netroots?  There seems to be an unspoken assumption that internet donations are somehow representative of netroots support.  These days people pay for all sorts of things online.  I maxxed out to Obama on January 16 via an internet donation, before I even started paying serious attention to the political blogosphere.

Above, enarjay brings up a good point. If you buy a ticket to an event on line, do you count it as an internet generated donation or an event generated donation?  And what difference does it make?  It seems to me that the number of donors and the average contribution amount per donation are more important numbers than through what vehicle the contribution was made.          

by mboehm 2007-07-02 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: What does internet fundraising mean?

I think it is just interesting to those who like to analyze in depth, but I agree.

Even if they are paid events this is a new and interesting development.  Other candidates have to decide whether to follow suit or to go a different direction.  

Ultimately what matters are the votes.  How the votes are earned and influenced will be important for future campaigns.

by pioneer111 2007-07-02 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

Does anyone know where I can find the number of individual donors for dean, kerry, edwards, gephardt, etc. back in 2003/2004? thanks!

by maxc1986 2007-07-02 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

try CFI.

by Adam B 2007-07-02 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Fundraising in '03 and '07

"Obama got 70 percent of his 1Q money from $1,000 and up donors. "

This is a tricky use of numbers.  While the source of funds as a share of the total is important, the more important thing to look at is HOW MANY OBAMA DONORS are giving less than $1000.  Naturally as a share of the total the larger contributions will, by definition, take up a larger share (in most distributions).

But what's amazing about Obama is the NUMBER OF PEOPLE giving smaller donations, on the internet, or anywhere.  Focusing on the money, as seemingly everyone does, is less important.  What's significant is that you have very large amounts of serious Obama supporters, who will spread his message like wildfire.

that's what's amazing here.

by elinw 2007-07-02 04:31PM | 0 recs

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