Experience and the Race for the White House in 2008

Over in The New York Times Sunday magazine this week, Matt Bai takes a look at this year's crop of leading presidential candidates an opines on the fact that the amount of electoral experience each has is remarkably small in comparison to candidates in years past. Perhaps. Bai writes, for instance, "Obama [...] would set a new precedent for inexperience in the White House", a statement that is demonstrably false -- Abraham Lincoln served just two years in the United States House of Representatives, while Obama will have served four years in the United States Senate by the time the next President is inaugurated.

But even leaving aside a debate over the relative levels of experience of candidates past and present, I want to take a brief look at the argument made by many, including to an extent Bai, that prior experience is important to the success of a President or, similarly, that there is some correlation between a candidate's résumé and his success as a President.

Were one looking for examples of presidencies that were not particularly successful potentially as a result of the lack of electoral experience of the chief executive, one could certainly bring up the current administration, as well as the Carter administration. Prior to entering the White House, the two men had served a combined 10 years as Governors, and one could plausibly argue that this played a role in some of the problems of their presidential administrations.

Yet one need not look far to find examples of men who on paper appeared to be supremely qualified to serve as President but who did not in fact end up making great, or even mediocre, Presidents. Take James Buchanan, for example, whose C.V. included one term in the Maryland House of Representatives, five terms in the United States House of Representatives (including one term as chairman of the Judiciary Committee), two years as minister to Russia, more than 10 years as United States Senator, four years as Secretary of State and four years as minister to Great Britain. Few other Presidents boasted such a high level of experience before entering the White House. Yet Buchanan's presidency was no doubt a failure as the United States edged closer and closer to civil war. One might argue, perhaps fairly, that the Civil War was not the fault of Buchanan. Nevertheless, his experience clearly did not prepare him to stave off the internal conflict. Similarly, Richard Nixon's experience as Congressman, Senator and Vice President did not stop him from undertaking actions unbecoming of a President (to say the least); Lyndon Johnson's experience as Congressman, Senator, Senate Majority Leader and Vice President did not stop him from making the blunder of escalating the Vietnam War; Herbert Hoover's experience as a quasi-domestic czar during World War I, Commerce Secretary and leader of the recovery effort after the great Mississippi River flood of 1927 did not prepare him to adequately respond to the Great Depression; the list goes on.

At the same time, one need look no further than Lincoln for an example of a tremendously successful presidential administration that did not have at its core a President who had much to boast in his résumé when he first ran. Theodore Roosevelt, who had spent two years each as Governor of New York, state Assemblyman and Assistant Secretary of the Navy prior to being elected Vice President and who served less than a year in that position before assuming the presidency following the assassination of William McKinley, is another example of a President whose successes as President were not incumbent on a long list of elective offices held before becoming head of the executive branch.

I don't mean to understate the importance of experience, that we should next elect as President someone who has never held a job in his or her life or even someone who has had successes in his or her career but who has not had any experience in government. That said, I'm highly skeptical of the contention that there is much of any correlation between a candidate's level of experience and his or her success as President. History has shown it not to be the case too many times for it to be true.

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I think all our candidates have enough experience

but I will not be surprised if Hillary uses this against Obama, assuming he starts to make some traction against her. I do hear some undecided voters saying they are concerned Obama's not ready to be president. This is not my worry about Obama.

The danger for Hillary in using this argument is that if Obama starts gaining and she hits him hard on his inexperience, she may drive his numbers down only to find that the undecideds flow to Richardson or Biden instead (who are staking their whole campaigns on having enough experience to be president).

As I said, all the Democrats running have enough experience to be president in my opinion.

I made up my mind based on other factors, including who is closest to me ideologically, who is emphasizing the issues that need to be our domestic policy priorities, who will take the fight to the Republicans and who can win the general election and help us down-ticket in most of the country.

by desmoinesdem 2007-07-15 12:01PM | 0 recs
Great Diary

I am glad that you brought up these interesting facts that prove experience does not matter as much as others would assume. I welcome Hillary Clinton's attacks on Barack Obama in this area for the very reasons you mentioned. All it takes is a few television ads in a few key states that relay this message , an opportunity in a debate where it's brought up and some flyer's and education pamphlets circulated to the poorer communities. The Obama Campaign has the money to do it.

Thank you for posting this.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-15 12:16PM | 0 recs
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Experience as a leader matters though.

Experience in public service, in business, in a community setting...they're all good.  But experience in them as a leader is far more important.

by Peter from WI 2007-07-16 08:58AM | 0 recs
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Obama's Legislative Experience:

96 - 04 Illinois State Senate (8 years)

04 - 07 U.S. Senator (3 years)

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Obama's Total Experience: 14 years

Clinton's Legislative Experience

00 - 07 U.S. Senator (7 years)

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Clinton's Total Experience: 7 years

It looks to me like Obama has twice as much legislative experience as Clinton. Clinton's lack of experience is a weakness.

by Pope Jeremy 2007-07-15 12:41PM | 0 recs
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8 + 3 = 11, not 14.

It's a good point, that Obama has more actual electoral experience, but little things like this need to be right, or we're not gonna convince anyone on the big things.

by Colbycakes 2007-07-15 03:51PM | 0 recs
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Oops! I feel like an idiot!

by Pope Jeremy 2007-07-15 08:52PM | 0 recs
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And presidents are not legislators!

Get the net MyDD, presidents lead, they do not legislate.  In the office of the president, legislative affairs is one small part of the whole operation.  The most important thing is RUNNING A GOVERNMENT.  

Being a legislator and being an executive are VERY different things.

by Peter from WI 2007-07-16 08:59AM | 0 recs
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned the counter-argument to lack of experience=great president= George W. Bush.  

That being said, I think judgment matters more than experience.  Some times, people get better wisdom and judgment from experience, some times experience worsens their judgment.  John Kerry and Al Gore made terrible decisions when running their campaigns, was it because they had been in DC too long? Same for most of the Senators that voted for the war.

Lincoln had good judgment before he took office.  Obama had good judgment before he became a Senator.  Some might say that since coming to Washington his judgment has been overwhelmed by caution and DC consultants, but I think he has always been a guy who picks his fights and builds coalitions.  That's how he became Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review and how he passed death penalty reform in the IL state legislature.

by DaveB 2007-07-15 12:42PM | 0 recs
Experience and Curiosity/Depth/Judgement


I might be wrong, but wasn't George W. an Oil tycoon  and business executive before becoming a Governor of a large state and winning a landslide re-election?

George Bush's weaknesses stem more from his lack of curiousity, very poor character traits(an article in Vanity Fair predicted his strong will even when he was wrong); he didn't lack EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE AT ALL!

Compare him to Bill Clinton who governed a MINUTE state in the middle of nowhere; TEXAS and ARKANSAS and like AMERICA and TOGO. Yet, Clinton(Bill) was curious, smart and quite frankly a good political strategist.

Obama is SMART(magna cum laude HLS graduate), demonstrably curious(just read his first memoir and second book), and the only top teir with true sophistication and credibility on Iraq. His judgment on Iraq, when it mattered was ON THE MONEY.

To be sure it'll be hard to argue this out to the average voter but perhaps Obama is leading among high information voters(and elite democrats), not hillary precisely because they recognise that he will rise to the challenge because he has shown a capacity to do that in the past.

by pmb 2007-07-15 12:59PM | 0 recs
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Actually, W. failed at everything he did prior to becoming governor. He was only an "oil tycoon" in his own mind (funded by daddy's friends) and a "business executive" of the Texas Rangers (part owner). The joke in Texas was 'when will daddy find something George can actually do?' He beat Ann Richards in his first race for governor. Ann had been elected in this red state only because her opponent made one outrageously bad comment: "the weather is like being raped; you can't do anything about it, so lay down and enjoy it." Texas has been historically conservative (even when Democrats held all the offices). Red was back in power with W. and hasn't changed much since.

by royce 2007-07-15 01:26PM | 0 recs
Important diary, thanks
by horizonr 2007-07-15 01:00PM | 0 recs
Other lies in Matt bai's piece


He mentions none of Obama's own other experiences: a constitutional law scholar and teacher at a pretty damn good American University: UChicago.

he acknowledges Hillary's "in the whitehouse" experience without critiquing the difference between being behind the wheels and sitting besides it.

by pmb 2007-07-15 01:05PM | 0 recs
Good front page post.

I have become increasingly interested in reading your posts.  Very insightful commentary.

I agree with your conclusion that experience is not necessarily the most accurate predictor of a successful presidency.

by lovingj 2007-07-15 01:30PM | 0 recs
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I think Bai makes a legitimate point. You have to remember that Lincoln served over a hundred years ago, in a very different time. He was also elected on the strength of the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which has no precedent in the modern era.

I personally view experience as a qualifier for office, and inexperience as a disqualifier. In the modern era, that means a Presidential candidate I would consider supporting must have at least a few years in statewide or national office and a record of accomplishment on those levels. Executive experience is a big plus. Obama barely meets this standard, and I do have some concerns he may not have enough experience to hit the ground running if elected President.

I agree there is very little correlation between level of experience and a candidate's performance in office.    

by Korha 2007-07-15 01:43PM | 0 recs
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Also Lincoln didn't have to sell his soul for 1/2 billion to get elected.  

by changehorses08 2007-07-15 11:04PM | 0 recs
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Wrote about this a couple months ago...

by PsiFighter37 2007-07-15 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans

Frankly, the experience thing always makes me chuckle.

I'd prefer sound judgment and the ability to see all sides of an issue, as well as the ability to hire good people who don't always agree with you.

But, beyond that, I don't know why the Repubs get a pass on the experience issue. McCain's really the only front runner (or former front runner) with any kind of resume.

Rudy's highest job was Mayor, for God's sake.

Thompson was a layabout Senator for a couple of terms in between acting and lobbying gigs.

In between sweetheart executive positions, Mitt was the Governor of a small state he had nothing but contempt for.

The Repub candidates are not the '61 Yankees and we should stop acting like they are.

by Bush Bites 2007-07-15 02:05PM | 0 recs
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Being the mayor of New York City is not like being the mayor of McCheese-ville.

The size of that government is enormous.  The size of that city is enormous.  It's nothing to sneeze at.  That Rudy was a shitty mayor is another thing alltogether.

by Peter from WI 2007-07-16 09:02AM | 0 recs
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Korha,

If you don't think there is any correlation between experience and job performance, why do you view experience as a qualifier for office and inexperience, per se, as a disqualifying factor?

by ayost 2007-07-15 03:23PM | 0 recs
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Well, I mean beyond the minimally acceptable level of experience. For example, someone who has no experience in national or statewide politics would pretty clearly be a clueless president for at least the first few years of his/her administration. But, once you've reached that minimal threshold, then lots of other things come into play--personality, judgment, ideology, luck, etc.--which will make or break a presidency and don't depend on resume lines.  

by Korha 2007-07-15 06:17PM | 0 recs
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I don't understand why legislative experience should matter one whit in how someone will perform in an executive position.  Does anyone ever say "Gee I don't know if I'd vote for that guy for Senator, he's only got 2 years of Governor under his belt"

I can see the argument for having some experience in  the beltway, but what is the skill set one exclusively develops in Congress that has anything to do with being President?

by abburdlen 2007-07-15 03:47PM | 0 recs
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I wouldn't call a president "tremendously successful" if he was so unpopular that seven states seceded from the Union before he took office, and his answer to the crisis was a protracted war that cost over a million casualties.

by Lex 2007-07-15 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

The way I put the difference between the experience of Dumbya and Barack Obama:

"Obama is smart, knowledgable on the issues and articulate, three things George W. Bush is not."

by Adam T 2007-07-15 09:26PM | 0 recs
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Then why don't we let 3 yr olds drive?  Give me a break.  Whoever becomes the next president will have to hit the ground running.  Its not enough to have a nice smile.  We are going to have to figure how to end 2 wars and provide Medicare and Social Security for the 76 Million boomers which will begin to retire in 08. After that we have to get the jobs back that Bush and the Republicans cheerfully allowed to leave this country. But then Obama's job is not to win the Presidency its to bring forth the weakest Dem so that every Republican can then say how LITTLE experience he has. The Media has an agenda its called MORE OF THE SAME.

by changehorses08 2007-07-15 11:14PM | 0 recs
Experience shmerience

I know Abe Lincoln--Abe Lincoln was a great President.  Obama is no Abe Lincoln.  Are we grading on a curve here?  Suddenly no experience is better than experience.  We have gone down the rabit hole--for sure.

by changehorses08 2007-07-15 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

Hillary has already begun to focus on her experience, and Bill Clinton is doing it also, on her behalf and it's getting the kind of media play they want.  

I said it a year ago and I'll say it again ... there is no way Barack Obama is ready to be Commander-in-Chief; Leader of the Free World and President.  Good God, just two months ago David Axelrod described Obama and his campaign as an airplane being built in mid-air after takeoff.

I really think that's the quote Hillary should use in her ads.  It says it all.

by Regan 2007-07-16 02:04AM | 0 recs
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LBJ would have been the greatest president of the 20th century had it not been for Vietnam. I think that your casual aside about him does history very little justice. We should remember that while JFK first sold the Great Society to the American people, it was LBJ's experience that made it happen.

Contrary to 2000 and 2004, whomever is President starting in 2009 will need real experience bringing together the lawmakers who currently occupy Capitol Hill. Unfortunately for us, we have some very ugly things to take care of come January '09.

by bowiegeek 2007-07-16 02:59PM | 0 recs

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