When Elizabeth Met Ann
by Jerome Armstrong, Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 02:21:21 PM EDT
Why does Hardball and ABC legitimize her by giving Ann Coulter a platform to say these things in the first place?
Tags: Ann Coulter, Elizabeth Edwards (all tags)
by Jerome Armstrong, Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 02:21:21 PM EDT
Tags: Ann Coulter, Elizabeth Edwards (all tags)
One of the good things about Ann's publicity is that she reflects the elitist tendencies of conservatives (which is typically how they try to brand liberals and progressives). Her referring to juries as "illiterate" is a good example.
Similarly, she reflects badly on conservatives in general. The more she is the face of conservative policies, arguably the better. Who would want to be on this bitch's team?
But, Elizabeth was effective. By being so dignified and polite, she was able to highly how inappropriate and noxious Coulter is by contrast.
yeah, i tend to agree about Coulter. anyone who takes her seriously is never gonna be on our side anyway.
If you look at the transcript on Think Progress, Coulter in her lame rebuttal attempt, refers to the juries in North Carolina as "illiterate." That's what most of the Republican really thinks of rural and southern voters.
Look at Chris' numbers. They're pathetic. Russert and Matthews don't get along. They both wanna be NBC's number one political guy.
Then, Olbermann comes along as a juggernaut and creams the rest of the lineup in the ratings race. You know this must burn Matthews up to no end.
Thus, he's Jerry Springerizing his show for eyeballs. Pathetic. Note to Chris: if you'd shut the fuck up once in a while and let someone actually complete a sentence from time to time, then perhaps more people would tune in and not be irritated when they do.
Agreed. EE is brave to call in and confront her, but this is a ratings thing from top to bottom. Nothing was resolved here, and all that happened was the level of dialogue was dropped to Ann's level. Do I think we should ignore her? I don't know - part of me thinks that she'll just keep blowing up like she did in the spring, and part of me thinks that they won't let her go away. But to engage her kind of feeds the machine that keeps her alive, and I'm not sure I agree with that.
We called on our candidates to drop out of the Fox News Debate instead of challenge it head on in order to keep them from getting the ratings and the chance to throw mud. Why should this be any different?
Well, objections to the Fox debate were presumably based upon the expectation that Fox would frame the discourse in a manner that reflects poorly on democrats generally (or something like that).
Here, there was no danger of being trapped in an adverse frame. EE obviously coordinated it with Matthews and knew that he (the show's host) would be sympathetic to her. Matthews has always like Elizabeth a lot, going back to the 2003 primary. To me, this all seemed cleverly set up to frame Coulter as the destructive, hateful windbag that she is. I can support that.
Is there really such a big difference between what they've done in the first place, and what MyDD is doing in the second place? Matthews clearly was being critical as well.
The real story here is what was being written in the crawl about Senator Lugar and Iraq.
That playing with your hair gives away her nervousness.
Fess up Ann, you said John was a faggot, taunted him about his dead son, and hoped terrorists killed him.
Why is this woman -- the shame of the University of Michigan -- on TV?
how utterly embarrassing. one moment to hang my head as a wolverine.
Perhaps when the Dems get the White House we can hire people at the FCC who will enforce the rules. If you call yourself a news network then you damn well better do news.
You want the government to determine what constitutes "news"? What "rules" are you talking about enforcing?
I don't want the government making any decisions regarding what constitutes valuable information/expression. I don't want the government making sure the media is balanced (as if everything is dichotomous and can be balanced). If you want to vote Coulter off of Hardball, the legitimate way to accomplish that is customer feedback--see, e.g., Don Imus.
If you call yourself a news show then you had better be a news show. News networks get licensed by the FCC to do news. Fox calls itself a news show but does nothing but one-sided commentary. There are two reasons for this -- first they are biased and second its a cheap way to get ratings. Who loses when networks do this? We all do. Was it always like this---NOOOOOOO. This is what happens when you put cronies in charge of agencies. You say you don't want the gov't making sure the media is balanced. Would you rather hear a half-hour program on the release of the Harry Potter book or the state of this nation?
Of all the times someone has had their mic cut on TV, this would have been one time that it would have been justified.
That pig makes my sking crawl. I can't believe that they had her on. She is the most crude, objectionable person I think I have ever had the displeasure of watching.
Ick, I feel like I need a shower.
What's the point for EE to legitimize her? It's crazy.
Looks like EE is running Edwards' show every day.
I agree.
Elizabeth Edwards is so far above that nasty c**t, that she shouldn't even give her any credibility by lowering herself to her level by wasting any breath on her.
are greater than the costs, Coulter will continue to have air time.
when Don Imus uttered his racist and misogynistic comments, everyone rose up and forced him off the air by going to his advertisers and the radio network.
when ABC/Disney was ready to roll with that 9/11 movie, everyone did the same.
when Ann Coulter spews her venom, we crack jokes and call her names but no calls to producers, networks, her booking agency, her publisher, the advertisers on the shows like The Today Show or GMA or Hardball. why is what she says less offensive or more acceptable, or why are we not doing everything we can to get her off the MSM and into her little rightwingery corner where she belongs. as long as she gets air time, she will continue to spew her narcissistic tripe. get her off the air and off bookshelves, that would be a public service to the country.
I'm taking up writing to Universal Press Syndicate, her sole syndicator, its parent company, Andrews McMeel, and Uclick.com's major clients again. Hopefully we can get her dropped from her last major publishing avenue, which, ironically touts itself as "national perspectives on life, family, and politics."
... and from everything I've seen Elizabeth Edwards is a remarkable human being.
Having to listen to Elizabeth attempt to have a "dialogue" with Coulter was truly painful.
I know you're not supposed to criticize Elizabeth in any way, but she would have served us all much better if after arranging the pre-planned phone call with his staff, she had instead turned on Matthews for giving Coulter the forum and playing to the basest instincts of his audience, not the best. Engaging Coulter in any way, including using her as a fundraising tool, places her on equal footing and makes her newsworthy.
EE: "I'm gonna ask you again to politely stop using personal attacks as part of your dialogue."
AC: "Ok, I'll stop writing books."
Even the hardest of the hardcore dittoheads can tell that Ann's reply has NOTHING to do with Mrs. Edwards' request, and that Ann is warping the question. Talk about transparent. When that's your best reply to something as straightforward as Mrs. Elizabeth's request, you know you've lost, and so does your audience, no matter who they are.
And Matthews' comeback about Clinton's legs and Lewinsky's weight was a great follow-up. I don't have much respect for him anymore, but he scored there. And "Read the sentence?" I'm pretty sure context can't salvage THAT.
What a bitch.
Even Matthews seemed embarrassed by Coulter's snotty comments, and nobody bit on her nasty attempts to equate her snide remarks with "freedom of speech."
But why does Matthews continue to invite her to spew her vitreol on his show?
Good for Elizabeth Edwards for speaking out on this nastiness and showing what a stupid snot Coulter is.
Didn't think I could like Elizabeth Edwards any more than I already do. But she keeps getting better and better.
I don't think she legitimized Ann C. by calling in. Maybe if EE had behaved differently on the call. But the contrast was so effective that it did much more good than harm.
I'm sure if someone like Joe Biden tried to challenge Ann C. in a similar way it would be a disaster given his "style." But Eliz. Edwards handled it perfectly.
I really wish she were a candidate for something.
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