The Afrosphere

A while back Chris wrote a series of posts on diversity in the political blogosphere. At the time I found the discussion to be rather insightful, as it brought some pretty important questions into focus: How is the progressive, political blogosphere defined? What, if any, obligations do blogs have to be diverse? What new media activities are different groups of people engaging in? Furthermore, why do groups gravitate to one kind of media over another? What are the consequences(if any) of that? I don't intend to try and answer any of these questions in this post, but rather I want to put something on the table that may help further our thinking on these matters.

A few months back, a group of black progressive bloggers, formed what we call the Afrospear/Afrosphere. I might be wrong, but I would trace its origins to discussions betweenvariousbloggers about the so called "whitosphere" and "blackosphere" and the CBC Institutes initial decision to let the Fox News host the Democratic presidential debate. That at least, is where I joined the conversation. Either way, there was a sense among us that political blogging could be used as a tool to rally the black community around certain issues and affect change. We also felt that collectively we could better achieve these aims. Speaking only for myself, I looked to the various successes that the larger progressive, political blogosphere, has had in changing the Democratic party, and wanted to achieve similar goals within the black community. In my opinion, there is a leadership crisis within the black community, particularly in the realm of politics and the connection between blacks of my generation(I'm 21) and older blacks. It was and is my hope that political blogging can be a small part of changing those dynamics and is one of main reasons I started blogging.
Since we joined together, we have been working to build basic infrastructure within the Afrospear. We've talked about setting some basic goals and positions that we can all agree on. Most recently, we've been engaged in a conversation about increasing awareness of the health care crisis in our communities, and discussed tactics to achieve that goal through blogging and other new media.

Lets bring this back to the questions raised earlier. What I have always thought to be most beautiful and perhaps, most important about what we are trying to do, is the diversity of experiences, beliefs and opinions within the group. We are spread throughout the country, and indeed, the world-- not to mention the ideological map. And yet we all agree that there are serious issues facing people of the African Dispora, and we feel an obligation to try and address them.

As we build our own movement, one of the questions I've thought about is what, if any, role can the larger progressive, political blogosphere play in our aims? In my opinion, I see the two movements as part of the many constituencies that converge in the Democratic party and use it as a vehicle to achieve certain political goals. My thinking on that is similar to how Chris outlines here. If we accept that premise, then what are our mutual points of interest and convergence? What actions can we take together and what can we learn from each other? Or is any of that any of that even necessary? Thoughts?

Tags: Afrosphere, blogging, Diversity (all tags)

Comments

29 Comments

Re: The Afrosphere

Welcome!  

Another voice is always great.  I look forward to your perspectives.  (Also, interesting, is the "action project" element on the page.)  

I'm only thinking out loud, but clearly, the low hanging fruit, in terms of accomplishments, should be the first things to go after, in terms of legislation.

Number one - some form of national health care, that doesn't sell out to big corporations.  

Secondly, things that benefit families, again, over corporations.

Third, education legislation that works.

by jc 2007-06-02 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

I echo the welcome.  Different perspectives are needed.  I am sure there is common ground that we all can consider and that there will be issues that we learn about from each other.

I like jc's agenda:  universal health care, family issues, education programs, and jobs with living wages to promote the resurgence of the middle class for everyone in the country.

by pioneer111 2007-06-02 09:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

You linked to a Francis Holland blog page!

It may be well worth abandoning MYdd. Something that I will have to think about. I always liked it here, more than KOS and several other blogs.

But in light of Jared as a front pager - I may have to leave.

by dk2 2007-06-02 01:13PM | 0 recs
Obama tilt on the front page?

Here is what Holland stated about Edwards:

Edwards doesn't offer me anything except more of the same.  I'm going to tell you straight out, as I've said it before:  If you define the status quo as "the historic and continuing political disenfranchisement of women and Blacks in America ("the poor"), then it becomes absolutely clear that the election of John Edwards would be the clearest possible reaffirmation of the status quo.  

The election John Edwards will reaffirm that the 35% of America that is white male still holds an absolute monopoly over the Presidency in a country that is 65% not white-male.  That political monopoly has economic consequences that are obvious when you look at who is poor in America.  

And that's why ultimately John Edwards candidacy, as an "anti-poverty president", will not not resound with me or with most anyone who is a not a white male.

http://francislholland.mydd.com/comments /2007/3/10/2144/61150/8#8

Seems like his is what can now be expected at this site, front page diaries from an avowed Obama supporter that present issues from and indirectly advocate for the Obama point of view.    

by francislholland on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 08:40:20 AM EST

by citizen53 2007-06-02 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama tilt on the front page?

I am totally baffled by this thread.  Jared is making really valuable contributions here.  I'm not sure I agree with his post about an Edwards/Obama but it was thought provoking and interesting.  So is today's post on the Afrosphere, which is totally unrelated to the Presidential race.  I'm glad he's posting here.

by Shai Sachs 2007-06-02 03:03PM | 0 recs
What?

That is a pretty crude comment.  This is a great diverse blogging community.  I personally think that Jared will serve as an informative addition to the front posters.

by lovingj 2007-06-02 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: What?

You didn't seem to hep on it a few days ago, seems like you were lamenting about KOS and now Mydd and such.

Funny how a few hours changes your whole perspective.

by dk2 2007-06-02 03:03PM | 0 recs
Double what?

I may have have misgivings about some of the postings on Obama but I have stated in the past that I thought MyDD felt like a more inclusive progressive community.

What's your beef?

by lovingj 2007-06-02 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Double what?

what's yours

by dk2 2007-06-02 03:30PM | 0 recs
Are you the same lovingj

who was repeatedly banned at Daily Kos?

Nothing crude about dk's comment at all.  

by littafi 2007-06-03 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

So because he links to one idiot, you can't ever trust him or someone he's associated with? Seems a bit drastic, doesn't it?

by Englishlefty 2007-06-02 03:08PM | 0 recs
You are rabid

Calm down

by Populism2008 2007-06-02 05:08PM | 0 recs
Don't leave.

Jared is young.  He is a big Obama supporter. I doubt he knows Holland's history.

He will soon learn.  Or he should read FLH a bit.  I cannot believe Jared would endorse such content.  

If you do not agree with FLH, you are a racist or sexist.  That often is his position.

I do not think Jared is there, although his call for Edwards to drop out in favor of Obama was quite amusing.

by littafi 2007-06-03 12:45PM | 0 recs
Steve Gilliard (1966-2007)

In memoriam.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-06-02 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

Jared, thanks for your thoughts.

I can imagine many issues on which the progressive blogosphere and Afrosphere can work together.  In addition to the political bread-and-butter issues like health care, education, etc. (as noted above), there are a variety of cultural issues that come to mind.  For example, what can we do to strengthen socially conscious hip hop?  What can we do to support minority owned businesses?  What about addressing the problem of violence within inner cities?  And so on.  I'd love to see our two communities working together on some of these issues.

Incidentally, you didn't mention it above, but I'm sure some folks here might be interested to see this, which I just caught on Jack and Jill today: http://rsspect.org/.  It's an aggregator of black blogs.

by Shai Sachs 2007-06-02 02:17PM | 0 recs
Great post.

Hands up to MyDD for allowing a diversity of views to the frontpage.  That is amazing and should be commended in the blogosphere.

While there are some goals that are unique to the African American community as a result of circumstance, I think, for the most part, progressive issues are common to both communities.

Personally, I do not like to look at it as entirely separate but more like an extension of one another.

I think MyDD has really been taking the lead on innovation in the netroots and blog and I have come to enjoy this site immensely.

Great job Jared, Matt, and MyDD.  This is beginning to feel like a very inclusive progressive community.  Kudos!!!!!

by lovingj 2007-06-02 02:29PM | 0 recs
Wrong again

Lovingj - there is nothing diverse about choosing a front pager to represent the face of MYdd that has a candidate affiliation. Which should be disclaimed  on every post Jared makes not just the ones about candidates..

Nothing any which way you slice it, and quite frankly it has and will be a damaging blow to the the diverse political blogosphere concerning Mydd.

No matter how many times I disagreed with Matt, or Chris I still respected this website. I am not sure that will continue.

by dk2 2007-06-02 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong again

Is this your GBCW post?

by Populism2008 2007-06-02 05:09PM | 0 recs
Can you imagine the outcry

if a member of Students for Edwards posted on the front page?  But it's okay for Obama.  

Silly stuff.

Well, Jared was honest. We know where he is coming from.

It is good to have diversity and I am glad there is an African Ameriocan blogger.

But knowing his position as an Obama supporter, somehow his calls for Edwards to withdraw don't impress me much.  
Give him a break.  He's young.  It also is wrong to assume Jared speaks for the "black community."   He speaks for himself.

As for linking to FLH, well, we all learn.

by littafi 2007-06-03 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

It looks like francislholland still reads MyDD:  Intrepid Jared Roebuck Brings the AfroSpear to MyDD.

by Manic Lawyer 2007-06-02 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

Reading that piece you linked, I'm moved to ask, Are we sure FLH isn't a spoof?

by skeptic06 2007-06-02 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

No, but I'm sure he's a kook.

by ElitistJohn 2007-06-02 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

.....are you still reading his blog?

by seriouslymeek 2007-06-03 09:28AM | 0 recs
Since Mr. Holland called me out...

on his blog, and said I quoted him simply because he is "Black and has a big Black mouth!" I responded on his blog as follows:


Since you came at me personally with your nonsense that implied I attacked you and/or Jared for racial reasons, I will take the liberty of a response.

Here is what you said:

The commenter is only criticizing Jared for quoting Francis L. Holland, who is Black and has a big Black mouth! Uh huh!

First, you are not that important to me.  Sorry.  I cited your remark to show your bias against Edwards.    Of course, you can say whatever the hell you like about Edwards, but clearly it WAS no less a remark grounded in racism against him because he was not black.  So who plays the racial game, Mr. Holland?

As for the substance of your remarks against Edwards, and love for Obama, not all blacks seem to be in your corner.  Here is some black commentary:

Black Commentator; May 24, 2007:

This is also precisely why trojan horse US Presidential candidate, Barack Obama, went so far as to smugly and most inaccurately state that "there is no Black America." [Reference NPR: Can Barack Obama Win the Black Vote?] Obama's "there is no Black America" assertion is an abomination, and is exactly the kind of dangerously ridiculous and demeaning rhetoric that Black America has endured from white racist political candidates. Perhaps, he wishes that there were "no Black America" and no Black American collective consciousness of Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Haimer, Medgar Evers, or even Martin Luther King, Jr. Perhaps, he wishes simply to define Black America out of existence. Black America will never allow itself or its ongoing collective struggle to be defined out of existence by Mr."There is no Black America"- Barack Obama or anyone else, regardless of their biological color. This is an example of how utterly horrendous the act of allowing others, who in actuality do not represent our social, economic, or cultural experience, to define who Black Americans are and can be. To Barack Obama, we Black Americans will surely say, as did our African ancestors, "Beware of the naked man who offers you clothes." Black America does exist and we shall continue this struggle to collectively define ourselves.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/231/231_ keeping_it_real_defining_ourselves.html

BlackAgendaReport; 5-30-07:

The snow-job Barack Obama campaign has succeeded in divorcing itself from any discussion of issues, thanks to the helpful hand of corporate media. Predictably, African Americans prefer a symbolic presence in the corridors of power, to a candidate that reflects their progressive outlook on the world. And many whites welcome the prospect of voting for a Black man who has made clear he will not acknowledge - much less challenge - their privileges. Still, Obama styles himself a "Joshua" who will lead his people into the Promised Land. In fact, he is the political heir of King Herod.

. . .

But Obama's main constituency is not Black; it is white people that want to absolve themselves with one vote of the guilt for centuries of racial oppression. In other words, Black folks crave a symbolic victory - even one that has no substance to it - and a significant number of white people would celebrate an Obama presidency as marking the end of the race "problem" in the United States. Forget about mass Black incarceration; the decimation of the Black middle class through loss of manufacturing jobs; gentrification that is dislocating the dark populations of inner cities; school systems that are more Jim Crow today than ever before, and even less functional; and a war budget that destroys all hope of domestic social progress in our lifetimes.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.p hp?option=com_content&task=view& id=234&Itemid=33

What say you?

I am sad that you seem to play the race card, which I certainly did not.  I was trying to show my objection to an outright Obama supporter on the front page of MyDD.  The attribution to you, who made your own racially based comments about John Edwards, purely was evidentiary, and more to show your political bias than racial motivation.  

However, since you raised the subject, so will I with regard to you.  That you are so quick to imply a racial basis for my remarks  is a sad comment, fueled by what can be seen as a narcissistic need to be a victim.  You have no idea who I am, sir, yet you have seen fit to characterize and judge me based on your own narrow minded purpose.

by citizen53 2007-06-03 12:24PM | 0 recs
Classic Frances.

Poor Jared.  You do not want Frances on your side.  Trust me.

I hope Jared talks about issues.  We know you like Obama.  I disagree.  But there are a lot of issues to talk about.

Know much about lead poisoning?  It is a big one in the community.  

by littafi 2007-06-03 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

I think this is a good (and tough) question.

One one hand, you would say that simply by virtue of being a place for progressive discussion and activism this overlaps in a significant way with black issues.  But on the other, that totally ignores the way that issues tend to take on a white hue unless there is a concentrated effort to make them otherwise.

The most important thing, I think, is simply to ensure the growth of the "progressive" blogosphere while at the same time ensuring that there is ample space for the "Afrosphere" to exist on its own.  There should of course be overlap, and ideally the amount would grow organically over time.  But the "over time" part is probably important - I think it has to happen as a long-term process where the voices of those not normally heard filter in on a wide range of issues but are heard loud and clear in a few targeted areas.

Basically, pick a few battles where you will make an effort to get the wide-ranging progressive netroots motivated to act, and use that as the foot in the door.  Individuals should never feel obligated to post in a place like this if they would feel more comfortable writing their own blog focused on issues that are personally more important to them.  Not to say that anyone here should ever make them feel unwelcome, but there should always be a recognition that "bottom up" activism has to really be bottom-up.  Places like MyDD and Kos are the establishment in that sense (even if not in many others).

As for finding areas to work on, some of the suggestions above are very good.  Bringing to attention the racial components of policies that we can generally agree on (health care, education, etc.) should be a priority.  Emphasizing the importance of these issues to politicians interested in gaining the support of the netroots is important.  It's probably important enough that it would be worthwhile for everyone to make a serious effort to post about these issues more than they normally would - a kind of affirmative action in emphasis.  

For individual members of the MyDD community, take the time when thinking about issues to contemplate the role that race plays in them.  Imagine how you might think about them from a different standpoint.  Think about how that might change both your assessment of the issue and (especially) the way you rank the importance of different goals.  

One example: I know people around here care A LOT about Iraq.  I'm one of them.  It's a really big deal and should be at the heart of the progressive movement right now.  But at the same time, it is not difficult to imagine folks who might not rank it as a particularly high priority.  For a worker whose job has been outsourced, who has a kid in need of medical care but doesn't have health insurance they might consider Iraq to be a secondary concern behind the economy and health care.

For a pregnant woman living in a rural area hundreds of miles from the nearest abortion provider, working at a job that won't give her time off, with a family who would disown her if they found out she got an abortion, that might be the most important issue.

On the reverse side, a black woman who is deeply religious may be strongly against abortion.  While we might disagree on that issue, it should not necessarily make her feel excluded from the progressive community on many other issues.  Especially since this is precisely the kind of person who might be most receptive to the Democratic approach to abortion - provide health care, education, etc. designed to improve the lives of women and potential mothers so that they feel less pressure to have an abortion.

Three final, related thoughts.  First, the netroots exists on the net, obviously.  And there are a lot of people who might be interested in the issues here, but simply do not have access, or the free time, or even the education to make a place like this accessible.  If we want to enrich this community, part of what we need to do is change that basic fact.

Second, as much as many folks here love this type of community, there is really no way it will stop being the predominantly white place that it is anytime soon.  As such, there may be many folks who just have no desire to come here (or places like this).  We should accept that choice by individuals, even as we do our best to make changes on a group level.

Third, racial politics is local.  This is true for all kinds of politics, of course, but is especially true here.  The question of who is president matters, but it might matter quite a bit less than who is mayor to someone living in the city.  And even beyond that, politics happens in communities, not just in the government.  The netroots can be a part of that, but it simply cannot be a replacement for actually organizing in your physical location.

I don't have any good suggestions on this point, but I think it does need to be said.

by Baldrick 2007-06-02 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

I would suggest that we tackle the digital divide for the poor both urban and rural.  This is something dear to both Elizabeth and John Edwards.    If we get free or cheap access to the internet for everybody, then we will make our democracy work again. Jesse Jackson said that we need coalitions not co-existence. Let's start by bringing in the poor and making them stronger and more knowledgable.   That's a worthy goal for real liberals.    

by Feral Cat 2007-06-03 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: The Afrosphere

Amen to that Baldrick.

by Tony Rose 2007-06-03 08:24AM | 0 recs
You are linking to

Frances Holland?  You know he was autobanned from Daily Kos?

Not a credible source at all.

He spews anti-Edwards stuff and did in the past.  Edwards is white.  His position is we must have a woman or black candidate.

Is that your position?
 

by littafi 2007-06-03 12:41PM | 0 recs

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