Presidential IQ

A political scientist friend of mine sent me an article yesterday that attempts to estimate the IQ of 42 of the 43 Presidents of the United States. You can read the entire article here, including the convoluted methodology. I would rather just cut to the chase and post the amusing results, ranked from highest to lowest:

Estimated Presidential IQ Range, Age 18-26. Source: Dean Keith Simonton, UC Davis
  1. J. Q. Adams: 165-175
  2. Jefferson: 150-160
  3. Kennedy: 148-160
  4. Clinton: 147-159
  5. Carter: 144-157
  6. J. Adams: 145-155
  7. Wilson: 144-155
  8. Madison: 135-160
  9. T. Roosevelt: 142-153
  10. Garfield: 141-152
  11. Arthur: 141-152
  12. F. Roosevelt: 140-151
  13. Lincoln: 140-150
  14. Filmore: 137-149
  15. Tyler: 137-148
  16. Pierce: 136-147
  17. Hayes: 136-146
  18. W. Harrison: 136-146
  19. Van Buren: 135-146
  20. B. Harrison: 134-145
  21. Eisenhower: 134-145
  22. Cleveland: 133-144
  23. Nixon: 133-143
  24. Polk: 133-143
  25. McKinley: 133-143
  26. Bush Sr.: 133-143
  27. Jackson: 130-145
  28. Washington: 135-140
  29. Hoover: 132-143
  30. Regan: 132-142
  31. Coolidge: 131-142
  32. LBJ: 131-141
  33. Ford: 130-140
  34. Truman: 130-140
  35. Taft: 130-140
  36. A. Johnson: 129-140
  37. Buchannan: 129-140
  38. Taylor: 129-140
  39. Harding: 128-140
  40. Bush Jr.: 129-139
  41. Monroe: 128-139
  42. Grant: 125-130
The paper actually goes down to a decimal point, allowing for tiebreakers. Also, if you remove John Quincy Adams, the range is fairly narrow, only 27-28 points from Grant to Jefferson at each's median. The paper also claims to have an extremely accurate methodology, and that there is a correspondence between intelligence and performance in the Presidency. Somehow, back in 2000, that completely backfired on Gore, who was widely considered to be much smarter than Bush. However, Bush somehow seemed to still win personality points more than Gore. Perhaps, now that people are sick of Bush and consider him a failure, we need to start pushing "gravitas" as an important characteristic of a chief executive. Also, I wonder which current Democratic candidate is the "smartest."

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Re: Presidential IQ

Probably Barack or Richardson.

by northcountry 2007-05-30 09:26AM | 0 recs
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Biden is widely seen as one of the smartest Senators. Dodd impresses me in person, and don't underestimate HRC. Obama's impressive, too, once one remembers experience and intelligence are separate issues.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-05-30 09:52AM | 0 recs
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With Clinton, Edwards, and Obama in mind, we Democrats can be proud of the fact that each of these candidates has the intellectual muscle that is required to do the job well.

by BigBoyBlue 2007-05-30 09:26AM | 0 recs
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This is ridiculous, and I'm sure completely wrong. I remember reading somewhere that JFK's IQ was 119.

http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g35.htm - look down in odds and ends. Or search John F. Kennedy and IQ in google.

That this many president's have that high an IQ simply cannot be right.

by thenew 2007-05-30 09:35AM | 0 recs
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I agree, but if would be fun to see if Democrats have higher IQ's than Republicans (even if IQ tests are not that reliable/valid.)

by misscee 2007-05-30 10:01AM | 0 recs
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Unfortunately, there is not a statistical difference between any of the parties with significant samples:
Federalist: 160+-13
Dem-Reb (1800's): 145+
-13
Dem: 142+-9
Wig: 140+
-7
Reb: 138+/-7

The last 4 are statistically equivalent.  Not being satisfied finding nothing (!), I looked at the correlation of IQ to presidental # (i.e. Washington =1, GWB=43) as a function of party.  There is no correlation or slight negative (-.29) for Reb's.  There is a positive for Dem (0.57), meaning that Dem presidents are getting smarter while Reb's are staying the same.

Of course, all of this is silliness consider the sample size, but still fun nevertheless.

by TxSci 2007-05-30 01:26PM | 0 recs
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IQ is a totally foolish thing, even when used to describe people who haven't been dead for a century and change, like Adams.

I am ashamed to be attached to the same university in which this nonsense was produced.

by nvalvo 2007-05-30 02:48PM | 0 recs
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I'm surprised Nixon and, to a lesser extent, Johnson are so (relatively) low, compared to the rest of the field.

Both of those guys were largely self-made men,  who rose to power without the benefit of a powerful family background, exceptional wealth, or degrees from elite universities...and Nixon, especially, was known for being exceptionally intelligent.

I suppose an IQ of 130-140 can't be considered "low" by any reasonable standard. Still, I'm surprised so many "old school" presidents rank so much higher than they do.

by brownsox 2007-05-30 09:39AM | 0 recs
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I think that both those guys had incredible political instincts and an innate ability to get people to follow them.  Johnson, for example, was a political genius and a tireless worker, but I've never read anything about him that made him seem intelligent.

by TommyBoy 2007-05-30 09:50AM | 0 recs
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I was surprised Nixon was that low as well. Maybe I put too much stock in his brilliance but really, he was. I'm actually surprised that more IQs weren't higher in general but honestly I have a hard time swallowing this speculation and I've never been a fan of standardized tests (even ones that I aced ;p)

by DMIer 2007-05-30 09:55AM | 0 recs
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maybe it's time the dems understand that people want thier presidents to be likeable leaders and aren't looking always for the "smartest person in the room" Bush and Reagan thrived when dems call the dumb and "uneducated" when the debate turns on issues or whether Bush jr, is a fraud and a liar we win, all of our candidates are plently smart enough to be president but some have the  likeability and ability to come of well on television and some don 't, instead of trying to change the fact that since 1960 most elections have come down to whom americans want to see in thier living rooms maybe democrats should try nominating good candidates who also give the public what they want, Republicans may do just that with Fred Thompson while dems amay get sidetracked again worrying too much about "white-papers and qualifications instead of going with the obvious best choice in the likeability dept, Obama who also might be the smartest of the buch too, just like Bill was in 1992.

by nevadadem 2007-05-30 09:40AM | 0 recs
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As someone who works with IQ scores in my job... let me say...

This list could be accurate- if you subtract 20 pts from everyone.  

IQs over 120 are still extremely rare- and I buy Adams, Jefferson and even Clinton being up there-- from what I have seen, I just don't see some of the figures listed (not just Bush) as being that high.

And from what I've read of Nixon, his seems too low (he may be an SOB, but he was smart by all accounts).  

As far as the current crop- the big 4 seem about even- Hillary and Obama may get the nod by a hair.

by jgkojak 2007-05-30 09:41AM | 0 recs
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You are completely right (see my post above). This is absurd.

by thenew 2007-05-30 09:43AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, I'm skeptical of the methodology, but I recall hearing that Bill Clinton's IQ was about 153, which is in the range they gave.

by jallen 2007-05-30 09:46AM | 0 recs
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I don't think Bill is cerebral to the 153 IQ level. 144-148 would be my guess.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-05-30 09:51AM | 0 recs
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How could they be that rare? Doesn't the entire state of Connecticut have an average IQ of something like 115?

Look into the the full paper. You might actually be right, as there was a lower set of numbers than this. It is possible you are talking about two different types of IQ tests.
by Chris Bowers 2007-05-30 09:55AM | 0 recs
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IQs over 120 are still extremely rare

Excuse me?  IQs of 130 or more make up 2% of the population.  When we are discussing presidents, 2% is far different than "extremely rare".

According to the article, 120 is the average IQ of college graduates.  That seems high to me.  Only 10% have 120+ IQs and 28% of the population graduates college, but the curve is gaussian at the edge, so perhaps the numbers fit.

I agree the numbers seem a bit high, but not nearly as high as you claim.

by Mark Matson 2007-05-30 10:08AM | 0 recs
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An IQ of 120 is still only within the 2nd standard deviation above the normal IQ of 100.  Each Standard deviation is 15 IQ points. So an IQ of 115 is at the 84th percentile and 130 is at the 98th percentile.  So an IQ of 120 would be close to the 90th percentile.  So it's not all that rare, especially among the ranks of those who have become leaders.

Having said that I used to administer IQ tests and I know that no way is this George Bush's IQ in the range they have given.  It's impossible.  My husband knew him at Yale and he was smarter than George.  I'm smarter than George.  I guesstimate that George's is hovering around the first standard deviation mark.  

Bill Clinton's is about right, Nixon's is too low. Bill and Hillary are equally intelligent, just different kinds.

by debcoop 2007-05-30 07:59PM | 0 recs
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You forget that although the percentages of people who have such an IQ are low the absolute number of people having that have that IQ is enourmous.

remember there are roughly six million americans who have an IQ above 130. There is only one president. I'd be suprised if the actual number was lower then it is now.

by Ernst 2007-05-31 02:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Presidential IQ

A political scientist friend of mine sent me an article yesterday that attempts to estimate the IQ of 42 of the 43 Presidents of the United States.

43 presidencies, but only 42 presidents, because Grover Cleveland served two nonconsecutive terms. I know this because I have an extremely high IQ.

by arbitropia 2007-05-30 09:44AM | 0 recs
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Yes, and if you had a higher EQ you might not gloat about it. ;-)

by WVaBlue 2007-05-30 10:03AM | 0 recs
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There's a purpose to stating your IQ besides gloating about it?
by Englishlefty 2007-05-30 10:14AM | 0 recs
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Actually, if I had a higher IQ I'd be able to effectively communicate sarcasm on a message board, so allow me to follow your lead and amend my post with a " ;) "

And I've never taken an IQ test, but I do think the president should be smarter than the average bear, so to speak.

by arbitropia 2007-05-30 10:27AM | 0 recs
Fun post.
Here are my guesses on the IQs of the trifecta:
  1. Obama: 140-142
  2. HRC, Edwards: 130-135 (they both have high street smarts, which IQ tests don't measure too well, I think)
by NuevoLiberal 2007-05-30 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Fun post.

My guesses would be a lot higher.  Barack and HRC both went to Ivy League Law schools.  If 132 puts you in the top 2% (as per admission requirement for Mensa) I would guess they both would be in the 150's range (guessing that would eb about top 0.1%)  Being as how Edwards was also one of the most succesfull trial lawyers, I would put him up there, too.

As for the Republicans, I think Romney would be the highest, followed by Guiliani and then McCain bringing up the rear.

by jalby 2007-05-30 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Fun post.

Hillary and Bill Clinton are equally intelligent.  As I said upthread I've given IQ tests and believe me I know what an IQ is like in the 3rd standard deviation, 130-145 (most of my friends are that smart), and I know both Clintons and they are a lot, lot smarter than that.

Okay an example, you make a statement and they  both get the the first, second and third inference that is to be derived from what you said.  There is no need to overexplain something.  They've jumped a couple of steps ahead of you.  But they're both so nice in an interperpersonal way, high EQ as well, that they don't make you feel dumb, they make you feel smart.

by debcoop 2007-05-30 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Fun post.

I may have underestimated HRC's IQ. I am not so sure her interpesonal skills are like Bill's. At least they don't come through in her public persona.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-05-30 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Fun post.

She is warm, and nice, and personable and like Matt said, she really does listen to people and really responds to the content of what you say on a one to one basis....like you're really important.  Bill Clinton is amazing on a one to one basis...for that timeframe,  5 seconds or 5 minutes it's like you're the only person in the world.  It's quite astonishing.  

In 92 when he was running, he gave a speech in the fall at an event in NYC.  He told this touching story about his bus trip of how people told him that they had never voted before, but that they were registering to vote for him.  My parents, who were Holocaust survivors, came to America after the war, they also had never voted, but liked him so much that they were registering just to vote for him.  I told Bill clinton that...he listened with that laser concentration,  got this wide eyed look and his face just looked so well... impacted...you could see how touched he was by what I said.   After he left, everyone around said "oh my gosh what did you say to him to have had such an effect on him like that"  Later on I learned, he was that emotionally responsive to other people's feeling and ideas a great deal of the time.  

by debcoop 2007-05-30 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Fun post.

But we're comparing her to Bill. There are few people alive that match his interpersonal skills (I'd say only a million, tops. Likely only a few hundred thousand. That might sound like much but there are 6 billion people alive right now...)

It's the comparison that makes her look bad. She's still among the very top.

by Ernst 2007-05-31 02:55AM | 0 recs
I'm not suprised

by Shrub's high score (remembering 100 is average). The man keeps his blinders on and is an ideological freezer, but that doesn't mean he's stupid.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-05-30 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not suprised

And a world-class liar, or equivocator, or misleader, however to say that for too many years what came out of Bush's mouth was almost always false but, alas, usually believed. Perhaps snake-oil salesman is the term I'm looking for. Better than anyone, Bush knew what to say to sell snake oil to the masses, and he did. The best in his field.

by Woody 2007-05-30 03:54PM | 0 recs
Not so sure

I'm not so sure about that - W maybe selling snake oil, but I think he's one of the masses. As in, someone sold him on the stuff when he was in the crowd, and now he sells it because he honestly believes it works. He doesn't realize he's conning anybody 'cause he's been conned, too. Not that that's any excuse.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-06-01 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not suprised

but he's not that smart.  check my upthread remark where I say I've given IQ tests.  Okay a minor amendment, I also tested kids with dyxlexia and other learning disabilities and George sure seems from others' remembrances of his childhood behavior to have had a some form of dyxlexia and other language processsing problems,  so his verbal IQ is impacted enough to do badly in that area.

And his SAT scores were pretty poor, and without alumnae affirmative action he did not meet Yale standards  566 Verbal, 640 Math. They certainly don't correlate with IQ in the 130's.

by debcoop 2007-05-30 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not suprised

Undiagnosed dyslexia could have some effect on SAT scores.

But you would have to see a larger difference between Verbal and Math for that to be likely.

by Ernst 2007-05-31 02:58AM | 0 recs
I've never believed

that standardized test scores correlate with intelligence in any way. Maybe one doesn't study, maybe one doesn't care about the test, maybe one just has no test-taking skills or doesn't perform well under pressure. I know my own scores shot up 190 points when I retook it a few months later, and that was with no SAT-specific studying in between.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-06-01 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not suprised

I know some guy did conversion charts.  I looked at them. They are idiotic.  They stop at 1280.  SAT totals, prerecentered still went up to 1600.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=na vclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GG LJ,GGLJ:2006-27,GGLJ:en&q=george+bus h+sat+score

So if George's SAT total of 1206 (566 Verbal, 640 Math) makes him 125-129 ala that right winger Charles Murray then it makes every firend I went to college with and all my good friends in high school geniuses...as well as me.  My scores were much higher than George's, my husband who went to Yale and knew George had higher scores.  I think I'm smart, I'm not being modest, but I'm no genius.

It makes me think that whatever these guys did to guesstimate presidential IQ went off base somewhere.

by debcoop 2007-05-30 08:31PM | 0 recs
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Amusing, if ridiculous pseudo-history and skewed beyond all justification. The alleged link between intelligence and a successful presidency could be shown by any reasonably bright 14-year old to be putting the cart before the horse, and most of the numbers have probably had at least 20 points stuck on. Of course, that doesn't explain J. Q. Adams, who I always thought of as being fairly average as a president and a massive bastard to boot.
by Englishlefty 2007-05-30 10:05AM | 0 recs
This list seems pretty accurate to me

Let's face it, you have to have much more than average intellegence to be president, even with Bush. People with below IQs of 129 could simply not go to Yale (even with a C average), and even if he went there for money, it makes perfect sense that you'd need to be almost 30 points higher than the national average to be both president and a Yale graduate.

Also, keep in mind about the "Nixon was a genius", and although he may actually be in the higher range of that estimate, he still ranked higher than Truman, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, LBJ and had a virtual tie with Eisenhower. It could of course be relative to that time period.

This list also bodes quite well for me, as I'm an ancestor of Adams and Q. Adams... could I have a 175 IQ? nahh.

As far as presidential candidates go, I'd be the first one to say that, as a whole, the Democratic candidates are much smarter than the Republican candidates. If they were to run, I would've put Feingold and Clark at the very top, but since they aren't, I'd probably put HRC, Biden and Obama at the top.

by KainIIIC 2007-05-30 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: This list seems pretty accurate to me

Why does one need a high IQ to be president? It requires good social skills and perhaps some decision making ability, but that doesn't necessarily require a high IQ and good advisors well used can be nearly as good as innate smarts.

Also, there's very definitely a bias towards giving the earlier presidents high IQs. I'm almost positive that can be put down to the nature of the evidence rather than objective reality.

by Englishlefty 2007-05-30 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: This list seems pretty accurate to me

good advisors well used can be nearly as good as innate smarts.

Without innate smarts you're not really able to judge how good a piece of advise is. Innate smart are needed to simple understand which of your disagreing yet also extremely smart advisors is more likely to be correct.

Presidents are generally to busy to come to their own conclusion about everything, no matter how smart they are. A less intelligent president is less likely to figure out which advisor gives the best option.

by Ernst 2007-05-31 03:06AM | 0 recs
Re: This list seems pretty accurate to me

KainIIIC says:
"This list also bodes quite well for me, as I'm an ancestor of Adams and Q. Adams... could I have a 175 IQ? nahh."

Don't sell yourself short.  If you are an "ancestor" of centuries-dead Adamses, you must have mastered time travel, in which case 175 would be a low estimate of your IQ :-)

-- TP

by Rethymniotis 2007-05-30 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: This list seems pretty accurate to me

descendent, they are my ancestors... heh.

by KainIIIC 2007-05-30 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: The Adams family

Well, I'd wondered what had become of this once distinguished family. It had seemed to peter out after the novelist, or at least fade from view. Glad to think that someone is carring those genes. You never know about the next generation. ;-)

by Woody 2007-05-30 03:59PM | 0 recs
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Give me a break.  We've never had a president outside the top 2% or 3% in intelligence?  This list is just asinine.

by Whoppo 2007-05-30 10:21AM | 0 recs
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Yes to EnglishLefty and Whoppo. This article and the urge to examine the spurious concept of IQ across 200 years of history is truly ridiculous. Amazing to me that people with tenure track jobs get publication credit for churning out such nonsense-on-stilts crap. I'm a big Chris Bowers fan, but I would really love it if MyDD could avoid giving a platform to a political science discourse that advances no knowledge of substantive political or policy understanding and further mainstreams reactionary ideas.

by memstrong1 2007-05-30 10:39AM | 0 recs
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There is only one president out of a couple of million people. a 2 or 3 percentage of that would still gives a large enough talent pool to explain that.

Who becomes a president is not a lottery, it's a layered selection, with several highly competitive layers.

Only 0.000001% of the current population is or was a president. That makes a 2 or 3 percentage point pool quite likely.

by Ernst 2007-05-31 03:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Presidential IQ

In educational theory intelligence is seen more than just IQ.  Multiple Intelligence theory has made a dramatic impact on pedagogy. The First Seven Intelligences -- and the Eighth: A Conversation with Howard Gardner has some interesting thoughts about looking at intelligence.

I like Gardner's definition of intelligence

Intelligence refers to the human ability to solve problems or to make something that is valued in one or more cultures.

From a citizen's point of view the most intelligent president is the one who solves the problems of the day best.  FDR ranks high in my book.

by pioneer111 2007-05-30 10:36AM | 0 recs
I thought the IQ concept was discredited

since there are obviously different types of intelligence.

Also, don't some people try to measure IQ based on the vocabulary a person uses? That might work if you are analyzing letters written and speeches given decades or centuries ago, but in the age of modern speechwriters, any smart person's words can be put into the president's mouth.

That said, I believe Clinton and Carter are both among the smartest presidents we've had.

by desmoinesdem 2007-05-30 10:47AM | 0 recs
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Seems to me, people don't value brains in a President, and the Republicans contributed to that situation, too, by denouncing qualified politicians over different eras as "eggheads" or "pointy headed intellectuals" or "the intellectual elite".

Nowadays we get to see Rhodes Scholars and Ivy League alumni pretending to be dumber than they are, talking in folksy aphorisms, and getting photo ops milking cows and operating heavy machinery and other things Presidents don't generally do, trying to make it look as if they're no different from regular folks.

Me, I'd like my President to be one of the smartest people in America (which necessarily is gonna mean smarter than me in particular), but that's evidently a snooty, way out there minority view of things.

Any suggestions what to do about that?

by admiralnaismith 2007-05-30 11:02AM | 0 recs
Why I know this in inaccurate...

Chimp smarter than Grant...I don't think so...

Grant as usual gets the short end of every Presidential rating....but aside from that...can you imagine Grant handling the military the way Bush has?

Grant was in fact highly intelligent, superb strategist, and if you have ever read his memoirs a clear and cogent analyst...

I know it is only a few points...but you will never convince me a dolt like Bush is even marginally more  intelligent than a man like Ulysses S. Grant...

by SaveElmer 2007-05-30 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Why I know this in inaccurate...

Read Grant's memoirs and read Ike's.  There is no doubt that Grant's are readable, clear, and on target while Ike's Crusade in Europe looks like a poor edit of four years of memos.  

The negative on Grant is probably his rank at West Point (39 of 65, but only half graduated at the time).  Grant's rank was severely dropped because of poor grades in French (from 21 to 39).  I would guess he was docked a few spots because of demerits due to sloppy dress along the way as well (Sherman fell from second to sixth because of sloppiness and he was clearly a genius).

I'd have to question Taylor ranking as high as he did.  Unlike Grant, he stumbled through every battle he fought and unlike Grant he had no eye for talent.

by David Kowalski 2007-05-30 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Why I know this in inaccurate...

About Grant's West Point rank, you are right on. George Pickett is mocked for his dead last ranking, but just graduating at all was a major achievement. Like a minor leaguer making the bigs...even journeymen are the cream of the crop...

Grants forte at West Point other than horsemanship was mathematics which he took to pretty easily and tended to trip up others...probably helped him during the war. I have seen some call Grants Vicksburg Campaign the greatest strategically in military history...

I agree with you on Taylor, though Taylor is who Grant modeled himself after...I guess more in terms of deportment than strategy...

by SaveElmer 2007-05-30 02:57PM | 0 recs
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The paper also claims to have an extremely accurate methodology

I think papers generally ALL do that. I mean, you don't go read a scientific paper (or a paper that claims to be scientific) and see them saying "woah, our methodology toooootally blows, please ignore us, for the love of GOD."

I mean, they've got this list, with each estimate given as a +-5 or so range, but they bother to produce rankings with 4 significant figures?  I'm pretty skeptical that IQ can be measured retroactively this way with even the accuracy they're claiming here?

Color me skeptical.

by fwiffo 2007-05-30 11:23AM | 0 recs
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If this is true and Bush really is as smart as this paper claims then it makes my hatred for the man burn even brighter; what wasted potential!  That someone with and IQ north of 130 could put on blinders so dark that he effectively becomes the village idiot is a crime that serves only to compound his myriad others.

by CapitalShill 2007-05-30 11:36AM | 0 recs
Estimated Presidential IQ Range, Age 18-26

I guess Bush could have been that smart in his prime, albeit an underachiever because he's so god damn lazy and always had daddy's money and connections to fall back on...

But clearly all that booze, coke, religious fundamentalism and fart jokes have done some damage along the way... the man has trouble just stringing a complete sentence together these days.

by End game 2007-05-30 11:53AM | 0 recs
Those numbers sent me into uncontrolled laughter

Talk about preposterous. I'm impressed so many commenters already emphasized how high they were.

Let's put it this way, just allow me to bet under the low estimate of every number and I won't have to work or bet on anything else for years.

by Gary Kilbride 2007-05-30 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Presidential IQ

I too doubt the accuracy of those IQ figures.

Lovenstein's numbers look much more reasonable
I blogged this back in march...I stole it from Left is Right.

by greensmile 2007-05-30 02:33PM | 0 recs
Gravel.

Give me a break Chris. I hadn't been hanging around on your site lately and now I remember why. This is not worthy of front paging.

But to answer your question:

Gravel is the smartest.

by OsoDelMar 2007-05-30 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Front Page

Come on. It's a holiday-slow news week. Congress is in recess. No debates. Polls are few because no one tried polling over the long weekend. This IQ guessing game is harmless filler, not to get bent out of shape about.

by Woody 2007-05-30 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Presidential IQ

The presidential IQ's are way too high.

A previous post said he heard John F. Kennedy's IQ was 118. That's probably about right.  I recall reading somewhere that Martin Luther King's IQ was 115.

by notime4lies 2007-05-30 05:00PM | 0 recs
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This was revealed to be something of a hoax when it was circulated a year or two ago. There's really no way to make these estimates with any kind of reliability and many aspects of IQ relate to attention or visual-motor skills which (other than perhaps, Jerry Ford) we have little opportunity to observe.

by rich 2007-05-30 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Presidential IQ

There circulated a couple of different IQ list that were false. I don't know if it included this one.

by Ernst 2007-05-31 03:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Gravel.

I said front paging didn't I. I just think that it would be better in the diaries.

by OsoDelMar 2007-05-30 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Presidential IQ

LBJ might have been sort of evil at times, but he was pretty damm smart!

by howardpark 2007-05-30 06:20PM | 0 recs

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