Do What McJoan Says

There's a progressive vote underway.  Do what McJoan says and call these members with an ask that they vote 'yes' on the McGovern amendment.

Jerry McNerney 202-225-1947
Shelly Berkley 202-225-4695
Howard Berman 202-225-4695
Vic Snyder 202-225-2506
Zack Space 202-225-6265
Ed Perlmutter 202-225-2645

This is a clean and fully funded withdrawal vote.

Update [2007-5-10 18:12:46 by Matt Stoller]: And it goes down by 255-171. Hoyer votes against, Pelosi for. That's a pretty good number of progressives, and a good showing. And now we have people on the record for or against the war.

Atrios has a list of freshmen Dems who voted against this.


Most of the new Dems backed the amendment, including every winner on the netroots page except McNerney (who is losing his base). On a note of pique, I'll add that Ciro Rodriguez was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign in 2006. I'm embarrassed to have supported him last year and I'm embarrassed for him now. Most of the others are Rahm-bots.

We have a lot of work to do, but the Democratic Party is for the most part a strong antiwar group.

Tags: George Bush, Iraq (all tags)



Result in!

Progs did much better than I guessed they would: 171-255, D169-59, R2-196.

Pelosi voted in favor, Hoyer against.

by skeptic06 2007-05-10 02:07PM | 0 recs
And those targets

Perlmutter voted in favor, the rest voted against.

by skeptic06 2007-05-10 02:11PM | 0 recs
John Salazar sucks as much as his brother

I guess they are better than the alternatives, but they shame Colorado progressives.

by magster 2007-05-10 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Result in!

Who were the two Republican Ayes?

by Silent sound 2007-05-10 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Result in!

Duncan TN
Paul TX

Where is Walter Jones?

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Result in!

Ron Paul and John Duncan

by skeptic06 2007-05-10 03:42PM | 0 recs
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McNerney is going to get some heat for his no vote.  There has already been grumblings of discontent from activists who helped him win in the fall.  This will add fuel to the fire.

by juls 2007-05-10 02:21PM | 0 recs
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  I donated to McNerney last fall.

 I didn't donate to him so he could go to Congress and be a wuss.

 I think I'll donate elsewhere next year.

by Master Jack 2007-05-10 02:42PM | 0 recs
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Dunno if it will change your mind, but here is his response.

by juls 2007-05-10 06:56PM | 0 recs
McNerney - Iraq

I also gave to McNerney. I read his response and the excellent discussion that followed. Thanks for the link. Gotta say I'm still conflicted on the best course but I think Eugene captured very well the argument against McNerney's vote:

I am concerned  (7.25 / 4)
By the language of "responsible course" and similar things in McNerney's nonspecific statement.

How exactly was the McGovern bill irresponsible? The redeployment out of Iraq was fully funded. So the redeployment plan then was clearly responsible.

I am then left wondering about the "reduce the violence in Iraq" and "prevents the violence from spreading to other countries" language. Those are direct echoes of Republican talking points about our presence in Iraq, and we would rightly expect that someone like McNerney understands their falsity. US troops there are not reducing the violence in Iraq and our presence there does nothing to stop it from spreading to other countries - and the assumption he uses seems to indicate that he believes continued US troop presences DOES either reduce violence or provide regional stability...which are Republican talking points.

I would have more respect for McNerney and his staff if they explained the true reasons for this cowardly vote - that they were suddenly afraid that a strong stance against the Iraq War would hurt them in 2008 (when McNerney and his team should know better, given the reasons for their 2006 victory) or that they knuckled under to pressure from higher up.

McNerney failed us today. Once again we are reminded that even though we must work with them for the moment, we cannot trust the Democrats to protect our values or pursue the policies we elected them to enact.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave
by: eugene @ Thu May 10, 2007 at 19:47:11 PM PDT

by Curt Matlock 2007-05-11 05:26AM | 0 recs
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Any coincidence that the two republicans who voted yes are running for president?

by umcpgreg 2007-05-10 02:39PM | 0 recs
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That's John Duncan, you're thinking of Duncan Hunter who is running for president. He's very pro-War

by utbrian 2007-05-10 04:15PM | 0 recs
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Drat those Dems.  Pombo and Bonilla would certainly have voted wholeheartedly for withdrawal, if only we'd let them stay in office.  McNerney and Rodriguez are huge, HUGE steps backwards from the days of Republican rule!

by admiralnaismith 2007-05-10 02:39PM | 0 recs
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Lol, j/k.  I read Duncan and thought Duncan Hunter.  Anywho, Ron Paul's a good kid sometimes.

by umcpgreg 2007-05-10 02:39PM | 0 recs
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Ciro Rodriguez?
He voted against the war resolution
back when, IIRC, but now he's standing
shoulder to shoulder with Henry Cuellar?
by Woody 2007-05-10 02:41PM | 0 recs
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  The war must be wildly popular in his district, I guess.

  We need to have a draft that applies ONLY to congressional districts whose representatives support the war.

by Master Jack 2007-05-10 02:43PM | 0 recs
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fuckin A.  Ciro?  That CD ain't for this war.  I'm sick of this shit.  It's one thing if one of our people comes from a red district, but this isn't one of them.  and, besides, this war ain't popular even in purple or even red areas.

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 03:16PM | 0 recs
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I'm really surprise.  I almost think it might be a mistake.  Ciro has always been 100% anti-Iraq-war.  Is everyone sure we have the right ROdriguez here?

by pontificator 2007-05-10 04:12PM | 0 recs
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To comment on two from the list, McNerney could have voted yes without political damage.  Giffords, OTOH, has a Tim Bee breathing down her neck and has a 100% perfect porgressive record so far.  I'll forgive her this one, but it is disappointing.

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 02:58PM | 0 recs
indeed on McNerney

That seems to be the thought at Calitics.

by Bob Brigham 2007-05-10 03:01PM | 0 recs
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Will somebody in McNerney's district please give his office a call and ask for an explanation of his vote....?

by global yokel 2007-05-10 03:02PM | 0 recs
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Hopefully they'll put something up on Calitics (him and his staff have a long and great relationship with the site).

by Bob Brigham 2007-05-10 03:17PM | 0 recs
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McNerney is a big disappointment. His campaign literature which we used in Pombo's home town made it perfectly clear that McNerney was running AGAINST the war. He didn't need to do this.

by janinsanfran 2007-05-10 03:31PM | 0 recs
Give these guys a break

These guys are from tough districts and have to moderate their records to get reelected.

by Toddwell 2007-05-10 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Give these guys a break

when 66% of the entire country (including voters from all sides) are against the war now, it isn't risky to vote for withdrawal.

as even tweety says, NO ONE in 2006 lost by being too much against the war.  and i am sure it'll be that way in 2008.  indeed, the risk for our side - the Dems - is if they are perceived to NOT BE DOING ENOUGH to get the hell out.

things have changed.  so these guys blow into office benefitting from attitudes against the war, but when it's time to vote, sell out.  hmmm, and that's smart?  we have to give them a break?

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Give these guys a break

Some of these districts are very, very tough and these guys must vote their district.  I have already read a lot of letters to editors in these districts that have chided their representitive for voting for "defeat" in Iraq and in "lock step" with Nancy Pelosi.  These guys know their districts and know that they have to represent their constituents.

by Toddwell 2007-05-10 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Give these guys a break

yeah, we know that letters to the editor are a great reflection of the mood.  hmmm, newspapers bend over backwards to publish an even number, no matter what the percentages are.  

CWA, Christian coalition, john birches, they all have LTE writing campaigns.  LTEs mean shit.

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 03:54PM | 0 recs
the war is getting less popular

with almost no chance of getting a "bounce".

by Carl Nyberg 2007-05-10 04:11PM | 0 recs
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  The "moderate" position is disengagement from Iraq. The details may vary, but staying in Iraq indefinitely is the fringe position.

by Master Jack 2007-05-10 03:34PM | 0 recs
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The others aren't all that surprising - it's still disappointing, though.

McNerney, though - WTF?

by PsiFighter37 2007-05-10 03:20PM | 0 recs
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Progressives in KS (or just sane people) need to do something about Boyda... How the hell did she get through?  She's a disaster democrat:

Thinkprogress: "FACT CHECK: Congress Does Not Have To Fund Escalation In Iraq

Last night on ABC News, newly elected Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-KS) said she would support funding for 20,000-40,000 more troops in Iraq because President Bush "is the commander in chief. ...We don't get that choice. Congress doesn't make that decision."... ress-escalation/

by SandThroughTheEyeGlass 2007-05-10 03:33PM | 0 recs
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One? That's an exaggeration. One mess-up doesn't deserve complete and total abandonment. As well, I find it interesting that people are loved one second, and after one vote are suddenly the biggest mistake of a candidate, and then back to great after a few more good votes.

by JewishJake 2007-05-10 04:08PM | 0 recs
This vote is different

For a lot of us who walked for McNerney, this was one of the motivating factors. Iraq isn't just some vote. It's the vote.  I'm not giving up on him yet, but it's going to be hard to justify driving out to Danville next year for this kind of BS.

by utbrian 2007-05-10 04:17PM | 0 recs
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I very much agree with your basic premise.  However, some votes are indeed much much bigger than others.  A vote that has to do with this occupation is pretty damn profound, don't ya think?

According to your logic, no one should have any problem whatsoever with Hillary Rodham Clinton's voting record.

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 04:18PM | 0 recs
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Hillary's got a pretty good record.

by jallen 2007-05-10 08:29PM | 0 recs
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# On October 10, 2002, Clinton spoke to the Senate in favor of a use-of-force resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq, saying: "The facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt."

# On December 15, 2003, when it was clear there were no large stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Clinton's support was unwavering. "I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force," she told the Council on Foreign Relations. "We have no option but to stay involved and committed."

# On April 20, 2004, Clinton told CNN's Larry King that she did not "regret giving the president the authority," noting that Saddam Hussein "had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

# In October 2005, amid growing anti-war sentiment, Clinton still told the Village Voice: "I don't believe it's smart to set a date for withdrawal . . . I don't think it's the right time to withdraw."

# By November 2005, Hillary was softening her stance, saying in a letter to constituents: "If Congress had been asked [to authorize the war], based on what we know now, we never would have agreed."

# On December 18, 2006, Clinton went even further, saying on the "Today" show: "I certainly wouldn't have voted that way."

# On January 13 of this year, Clinton spoke from Baghdad about President Bush's call for a troop surge: "I don't know that the American people or the Congress at this point believe this mission can work."

# On January 17, Clinton called for a cap on the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, and suggested withholding funds for the Iraqi government.

# Finally, on January 27, Clinton hit the campaign trail in Iowa and demanded that the president "extricate our country from this before he leaves office.

You fill in the context that shows she has an amazing record?

by SandThroughTheEyeGlass 2007-05-10 08:42PM | 0 recs
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Note: The Before and After running for President.

by SandThroughTheEyeGlass 2007-05-10 08:43PM | 0 recs
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I'm not a single-issue voter.  I meant in the aggregate.  I can find some votes I disagree with, but on the whole, it's a pretty good record.

by jallen 2007-05-10 10:38PM | 0 recs
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Reality dictates we can't be anti-war against the jihadists who want to kill us...and please don't try to say they aren't here because the news is full of six of them who wanted to kill our soldiers while we're supposed to be protecting them here, at home.

Look up's poll to see 90% of over 7,000 citizens do not want to surrender and withdraw our soldiers until the Iraqi's have a semblance of stability which we'll know more about around October.

by Winghunter 2007-05-10 05:09PM | 0 recs
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"the news is full of six of them who wanted to kill our soldiers"

Yeah, right.  More orwell 1984 scare-tactic propaganda.  

rolls eyes

You MUST be a troll, right?

by jgarcia 2007-05-10 05:22PM | 0 recs
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"Rahmbots" is no longer operative as an insult here, since Rahm voted with the good guys.

by pontificator 2007-05-10 07:23PM | 0 recs
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people on this site bear the strangest grudges against rahm. i sorta like the guy.

by eddersen1 2007-05-10 08:41PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, there were less than 20 more seats he could have won if he weren't a DLC wanker. It reminds of the old quote about being born on third base and thinking you've hit a triple. He was a disaster in a good year so people apologize for all his mistakes.

by Bob Brigham 2007-05-10 08:44PM | 0 recs
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Yes, but he voted with the good guys on this one.  So deriding frosh who voted the other way as "Rahmbots," doesn't really make sense now, does it?

by pontificator 2007-05-11 05:34AM | 0 recs
Think strategically, please.

I disagreed and was initially highly displeased with my rep Heath Shuler's vote on the McGovern amendment. Then I remembered that he voted "aye" on the most recent Iraq supplemental. He also voted "aye" on the previous bill that the Chimperor vetoed. He also voted "aye" to protect labor unions' right to organize and many other bills that promote a progressive agenda.

After 16 years of the greedy, lying, corrupt, and just plain godawful Charles Taylor, I am most grateful to have a Blue Dog in that seat voting with a Democratic MAJORITY.

The new Dems aren't always in tune with the progressive wing and it's a shame, but it's a fact of life. Many of us in NC-11 knew the score but voted strategically last November. We weren't thrilled with some of Shuler's positions, but he got our votes and our money and will continue to get them as long as he keeps a Republican ass out of our district's seat.

The fact is that he and the rest of the new Democrats are far better for our districts - and for our country - than the Republicans they replaced. Many of us are upset about the McGovern vote, but please consider the previous six years; it certainly gave me pause.

by Spiffarino 2007-05-10 08:13PM | 0 recs
Another purity test

It's getting comical. At the end of the day, there might only be the Green Party left.

by Populism2008 2007-05-11 01:22AM | 0 recs


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