National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Yesterday morning, I produced a chart of the rolling averages of national Democratic nomination preference polls from February 23rd through April 24th. I thought about that chart a lot today, and considered different ways that polling averages of this sort could be produced. The result of that thought is a second chart, meant to be a companion of the first chart, that provides a lower estimation of support of all three top-tier candidates.

National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate, 2/1-4/24
DateClintonObamaEdwardsOther / Unsure
Apr 2434.3%25.9%16.0%23.8%
Apr 2034.0%25.1%15.0%25.9%
Apr 1633.9%24.6%15.1%26.4%
Apr 1334.9%24.0%15.7%25.4%
Apr 1035.8%22.0%15.5%26.7%
Apr 0635.4%22.9%15.4%26.3%
Apr 0235.4%22.9%15.4%26.3%
Mar 3034.8%23.6%15.3%26.4%
Mar 2734.9%25.0%14.3%25.9%
Mar 2335.8%25.8%12.5%26.0%
Mar 2036.4%25.0%11.6%27.0%
Mar 1636.5%25.8%12.1%25.6%
Mar 1336.1%25.0%12.6%26.3%
Mar 0936.2%25.0%12.7%26.1%
Mar 0635.7%25.4%12.7%26.1%
Mar 0235.6%24.0%11.2%29.2%
Feb 2735.0%22.4%10.2%32.4%
Feb 2435.8%21.3%10.3%32.8%
Feb 2036.0%20.0%10.7%33.3%
Feb 1635.3%19.2%11.3%34.2%
Feb 1238.0%17.8%11.6%32.6%
Feb 0935.0%18.7%11.7%34.7%
Feb 0536.7%17.3%10.7%34.7%
Feb 0137.3%17.3%12.7%32.7%

This chart differs from the first chart in two key ways. First, it incorporates all polls that include the entire, announced Democratic field in their nomination preference question, including those polls that put Al Gore in the question. Second, when a given poll offers both Gore-inclusive and Gore-exclusive results, this chart utilizes the Gore-inclusive data. There are many benefits to this methodology:
  1. More data. This chart only excludes polls that ask two-way or three way questions, and as such increases the total data points from 33 to 43.
  2. Longer trend lines. The increased number of data points allows for a trendline going back to February 1st, rather than February 23rd.
  3. Less Soft Support. This is the most important difference. Supporters of Gore are placed into the "other / unsure" category. This is justifiable on the grounds that if "Poll Participant X" would choose Gore instead of a "Non-Gore Candidate Y" simply because Gore is included in the question, then "Poll Participant X" clearly is a very, very soft supporter of "Non-Gore Candidate Y." As I have long railed about the excessive pushing of undecideds and leaners in Democratic nomination polls this far from the actual primary / caucus season, this is actually a useful way to up the percentage of "other / unsure" even in polls like Gallup that push undecideds way too hard. At this point, it seems obvious that those who at this point would still support Gore are clearly undecided about the rest of the field (or, as I will discuss tomorrow, not yet engaged in the campaign). By contrast, those who support "Non-Gore Candidate Y" when gore is included in the question are harder supporters of "Non-Gore Candidate Y." thus, this chart produces a lower, but harder, estimate of support for all candidates. Even though I don't like unannounced candidates being included in poll questions, this methodology is a means of making lemonade out of lemon polls.
Otherwise, the two charts are methodologically identical. The excel spreadsheet I use to gather this data can be found here. Note that polls are added to the average the day after they are completed, and removed from the average fifteen days after they are completed. Only candidates averaging over 5.0% in national polls are included in the chart. Source polls can be found at Polling Report and Rasmussen. I will update this chart every three or four days throughout the entire primary / caucus season. Until the release of the next Rasmussen poll on Monday, results for April 27th are partial, and thus are not included in the chart.

Tags: Democrats, national Democratic poll average, polls, President 2008, Primary Elections (all tags)

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17 Comments

Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

You could make a google docs spreadsheet out of your spreadsheet and make it viewable...

by tunesmith 2007-04-27 01:15AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Nice idea, Chris needs to get gmail.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-04-27 04:26AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

I worry about this, since it is conceivable that it provides a rather misleading picture.  Imagine we did this with the Republican nomination, and included a choice for "George W. Bush again".  If hardcore Bushies support, say, McCain at a higher rate than they support everyone else, it skews numbers away from McCain.  Similarly, if you offered Republicans a choice of their candidates and Jesus, it would probably relatively advantage Ron Paul (and Guiliani, probably).  I'm not saying it's true here, but it seems like a worrying aspect of this methodology, in that it could confuse preference of a dream candidate with soft support.

by notapipe 2007-04-27 01:59AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

The percentages Gore draws from which candiates are well known.

I think it's logical to classify them as soft,

Voters who have you as a second choice compared to a "dream" are less likely to support you as much as voters who have you as a first choice over that "dream" candidate.

Especially if that "dream" candidate is a known and elegiable contender. It's obvious that the support is soft, because you would lose them as soon as that person steps in.

As for if you offered Republicans a choice of their candidates and Jesus,

Republicans wouldn't have that choice, Jesus is a commie who's soft on terror. He'd run for the democratic nomination. And who's going to vote for a guy with facial hair, anyway?

by Ernst 2007-04-27 03:08AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

I look at that chart and it tells me one thing, nothing has changed.  Clinton & Obama are unchanged with a slight uptik for Edwards.  Nothing has happened in this campaign so far that will be remembered past next week.  We are still in the first inning, only the line up & its order have been established.  The frontrunners will want to keep it boring for awhile.

by howardpark 2007-04-27 03:22AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Are we looking at the same chart?  If we take these to be the less soft support it is clear that Edwards and Obama are on the rise, and Clinton is falling.

Clinton's fall has been slow, but somewhat steady.  She is down about 3% in 3 months.  A somewhat significant fall.

Edwards has gained about as much as Clinton has lost, though it has all been since late March.  He was holding steady until late March at which point he launched up a little over 3%.  His rise in support has all been after the announcement that Elizabeth Edwards has cancer.

Obama has gained just over 8.5% in the polls in the last 3 months.  It has been very gradual and fairly constant.  I think that this is likely due to growing name recognition.  His favorables are up there with all the other candidates, yet his unfavorables remain incredibly low.  That means that many people don't know enough to form an opinion.  This would suggest to me that his rise in the polls will continue.

I will be told by everyone that my analysis is flawed and that I am biased in favor of my candidate.  I think Hillary will have a small bump or a plateau following this debate, though her numbers will subsequently continue to fall.  It seems that the more people know, the less the like her.  

It seems to me that Edwards will stall out for a little while.  He does have the most detailed policy proposals out, but people aren't looking for that yet.  The support he has gained isn't necessarily soft support, but he is not getting the free media that he once did.  

Obama will continue to rise in the polls.  There are many people who don't yet have an opinion of Obama and data would suggest that when people learn about Obama they like him.

In two months time the polls will likely be:

Clinton  22%
Obama    22%
Edwards  17%

by Obama08 2007-04-27 04:33AM | 0 recs
Look at the sequential reads ...

... since they are 15 day periods, take 14-16 day intervals:

  • (15 days ending): Clinton \ Obama \ Edwards \ Other-Undecided
  • Feb 12: 38.0% \ 17.8% \ 11.6% \ 32.6%
  • Feb 27: 35.0% \ 22.4% \ 10.2% \ 32.4%
  • Mar 13: 36.1% \ 25.0% \ 12.6% \ 26.3%
  • Mar 27: 34.9% \ 25.0% \ 14.3% \ 25.9%
  • Apr 10: 35.8% \ 22.0% \ 15.5% \ 26.7%
  • Apr 24: 34.3% \ 25.9% \ 16.0% \ 23.8%

That's the 8 point gap for Obama to cross until he is ahead in as many polls in a given week as Hillary ... and basically 8 months (a little over 16 fortnights) to do it in.

If he crosses Hillary, she gets caught in the crosschop of two media stories ... one, "why Obama took over as the front runner", and the second, because its the easiest speculative storyline (attractive with pundits because they require no real research) with Edwards trending up as well is "will Edwards be able to catch Hillary too?"

But Big Media would certainly prefer to have a single "Hillary front-runner, Obama challenger" storyline all the way through to Iowa.

by BruceMcF 2007-04-27 06:21AM | 0 recs
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In two months time the polls will likely be:

Clinton  22%
Obama    22%
Edwards  17%

Not at all likely.  Clinton's support has held steady in the mid-30s for four months now.  In two months time you see her support crater by a full 12%?  Based on what?  Her consistent mid-30s showing in the polls will suddenly collapse in no time?  Maybe a debate that exposes her as a pretender, nothing but the quintessential "presidential wife" lacking all substance and knowledge?  I don't see either of those as viable points, especially after her showing in last night's debate.  

by georgep 2007-04-27 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Sorry, meant 32-32-18.  I expected her to lose another 3 percent and Obama to gain a little more slowly than he has been.

by Obama08 2007-04-27 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

You have any graphing software Chris, that would be cool to see on a map. Looks like Clinton meanders up and down but ends up a bit lower, Obama goes up then slips back a bit then up to where he was, and Edwards just has a steady climp higher.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-04-27 04:25AM | 0 recs
Easy enough

by IVR Polls 2007-04-27 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Two points:

1. In the non-Gore polls the differential between HRC and Obama tends to be smaller.  She still leads but less so.

2.  Not much difference between this and pollster.com (You have Gore as other and they don't but most of us are only tracking the top 3).  

Your first chart was refreshing and unique.

by aiko 2007-04-27 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Can anyone explain why the shape of Obama's trend line is different here than at Pollster.com.  The trend line there does not show a dip in March, it shows a slower rate of growth for a few weeks before the Q1 fundraisnig announcement, but no dip.  Are you using different polls, is he doing some type of regression analysis to smooth out the line?

Bottom Line:  Obama has doubled his lead over Edwards and cut HRC's lead in half.  I think it is clear that he is the one with the most momentum.

by upper left 2007-04-27 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Except that according to the graph he did most of that heavy lifting between 2-1 and 3-1 and roughly stabilizing after that.

While Edwards is gaining slowly but consistently.

Seeing these numbers I don't think we're in a position to call it momentum yet. I think we're more in the jockeying for good starting positions phase. Interesting, but not indicatory for how the race will go.

by Ernst 2007-04-27 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

I think if you combine grassroots enthusiasm, fundraising, polls, and being taken seriously by the pundit class, I think Obama has the momentum.  I realize that many JE supporters would like to argue the point, but I think the evidence is pretty strong, not overwhelming, but pretty strong.

by upper left 2007-04-28 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Well, I'm rooting for the only major candidate without any evidence of momentum, so I have a unique system to judge momentum. Seeing that they bth move in on my candidates turf...

Who scares me the most?

The person I'm most afraid of in the short run would be Obama.

But in the long run I'll go with Edwards.

Highly unscientific, I know...

(Sorry for the Double post)

by Ernst 2007-04-29 04:00AM | 0 recs
Re: National Democratic Polls, Low-End Estimate

Well, I'm rooting for the only major candidate without any evidence of momentum, so I have a unique system to judge momentum. Seeing that they bth move in on my candidates turf...

Who scares me the most?

The person I'm most afraid of in the short run would be Obama.

But in the long run I'll go with Edwards.

Highly unscientific, I know...

by Ernst 2007-04-29 03:59AM | 0 recs

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