Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory is Not Possible in Iraq

As I noted a little earlier, the Bush administration and it's Republican allies have been in full time hack mode trying to attack Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for saying that he does not believe that the Iraq War can be won militariliy at this point. To an extent, this effort has been successful in that it has gotten the media repeating administration talking points. But just how successful has it been in swaying votes or even just bolstering the President's (or Republicans') position among Americans? Take a look at the data from the most recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal (.pdf) survey:

Do you think the U.S. goal of achieving victory in Iraq is still possible, or not?

Yes, victory in Iraq is still possible36
No, victory in Iraq is not still possible55
Not sure9

These numbers, along with others from the poll that for instance show the public backing the Democrats over President Bush on the issue of Iraq by a similar 56 percent to 37 percent margin, quite clearly indicate that regardless of the bluster by the Bush administration and its allies inside the Beltway (both within Congress and in the conservative media) Americans just aren't buying the spin out of the White House any longer.

In some ways this points to an even greater problem for the Bush administration than just the battle over Sen. Reid's rhetoric. While the President and his proxies feel the necessity to engage the Democrats over the issue of Iraq, both because they believe it to be important on both policy and political levels but also because they believe they must do so for the President to remain relevant, every moment the White House spends talking about Iraq is a moment in which it is playing into the Democrats' hands. Certainly there are not a wealth of issues that the President can speak to that will improve his fortunes and those of his party, but one would think that he would be able to find at least one better for him and the GOP than Iraq. Then again, perhaps 36 or 37 percent is the best George W. Bush and the Republican Party are aspiring for these days...

Tags: George W. Bush, Harry Reid, Iraq (all tags)

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Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory i

  Wow.  Stunning numbers.  There is a big difference between a majority that disapproves of Bush's handling of the war, and a majority that thinks the war is lost.  The war is going to be an even bigger issue in 2008, if that seems possible.

by cilerder86 2007-04-25 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry

I just don't understand why anyone calls this thing a "war," or why they think it could ever be "won."  It looks to me like the war is long over (we won), and what we have now is an occupation.  You can't "win" an occupation, you can only continue it, or not.

by Perry Oikos 2007-04-26 08:04AM | 0 recs
I'm calling Reid's office right now

to tell him what I think as a Nevada resident about the job he's doing.

by nevadadem 2007-04-25 03:46PM | 0 recs
Reid is brilliant

I'm sorry. Whether Reid intended to or not, his  comment was brilliant. Now we have the GOP drilling Reid's words into the nation's brains, over and over again, and shifted the debate to whether this war is still winnable. We have a majority who knows this is true, and growing. This is a debate i'm willing to have.

The fact is, when people realize the war is lost, and that these "consequences of pulling out" are already owed, the war debate is on Democratic ground. If we can't admit it's lost, then it will be Democrats who "lost" it by pulling out.

We can't pull out until it's common knowledge Bush failed, and there's no putting Humpty back together again.

by Memekiller 2007-04-25 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Reid is brilliant

bingo Reid took a risk, he thought the american people were ready for the truth, when Obama said lives were waisted in might of been the wrong word and harsh for some soldiers families but it doesn;t make in untrue, Reid thinks The nation is ready to here that the Iraq war from a military standpoint is lost, not un winnable or some word that makes it sound better but simply lost. So far polling shows Reid was right.

by nevadadem 2007-04-25 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory i

This is the kind of message we need to spread as far and as wide as we can.  To all D.C. Democrats: the public is to your left on virtually every issue.  It doesn't feel that way because the traditional media is to your right on every issue.  

So here's the plan.  Go left, and when the media bitches, tell them to go Cheney themselves.  Oh, and be consistent, simple and straightforward in your rhetoric.  That's why Reid's comments worked. That's why the GOP is freaking out.

by Jim Treglio 2007-04-25 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory i

Hmmm..., 1004 respondents to the poll out of 300,000,000 Americans in the country.  I would have to question the sampling procedure first, then raise red flages over the actual questions used...but that's the difference between a cheap opinion poll with a 0.003% representation of the population with no validity or reliability of accurate sampling of the population, and a real research survey.

by totalkaosdave 2007-04-25 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory i

  Jeez, MyDD trolls really need to educate themselves on how opinion polls work.  A "one" for you, ignoramus.  100% of cilerder86's think totalkoasdave adds nothing to the commentary on the site.

by cilerder86 2007-04-25 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that

I feel kinda bad for him. I mean, having to descend to 'But only 1004 people responded?' That's tough.

I would've suggested something more like: the question's too vague! All the Defeatocrats probably thought this meant Iraqi victory over Americans!

I just wish the Administration would keep the White House website updated with this week's definition of 'victory' ... if any.

by BingoL 2007-04-25 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory i

Yes, obviously every opinion poll ever is meaningless. Muppet.

by Englishlefty 2007-04-25 05:56PM | 0 recs
A Barad-dûr moment?

Ever since the debate started on the language of the war supplemental I have been arguing that the time would not be ripe for serious action by the Democratic caucus until it was ok to say "Bush lost the War." Harry Reid spoke those words and you could feel a seismic change in the national debate. The truth keeps erupting through the thick mantle of lies.

It reminds me of Barad-dûr the moment after the Ring is destroyed. America is awakening from the phony patriotic illusion built so carefully by Bush and the MSM after 911. The whole Bush edifice that seemed so dauntingly material and evil is collapsing into vapors--let's pray.

by anothergreenbus 2007-04-25 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Americans Agree with Harry Reid that Victory i

Thank goodness for that.  And plaudits to Harry Reid for tellin' it like it is.  Probably the most courageous public service of his illustrious career; imagine, brave enough to tell America it has lost a war.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-04-25 06:56PM | 0 recs
check out this photo

The huge halo around Reid's head in the Reuters photo was hard not to notice, and reminiscent of the Bush halo pics.

by Winston Smith 2007-04-25 06:59PM | 0 recs

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