this is a real Obama supporter, I think someone posted it there to make Obama supporters look ridiculous...

Although, on the other hand, there is a mounting paranoia among Obama supporters; just take a look at the diary accusing people of calling Obama pro-war. Asked to produce the name of one person who had called Obama pro-war, the diarist and other Obama supporters came up with...no one.

Obama isn't pro-war; he's "merely" using GOP frames that undermine thew anti-war movement. A clear difference that Obama supporters can't seem to comprehend.

Sounds like a concern troll on Obama's site complaining about concern trolls on Kos, MyDD, etc. What a joke.

Some people get carried away with stupidness...does it have to be a front-page post as you skip out?

Ahh...friggin' long campaign.

...but do we want to go trolling candidates blogs for the most outrageous and inciteful ones?

Thanks Jerome.

It will be interesting to see what happens here. I tend to think the friction Obama is picking up here and elsewhere is deserved. He and his campaign could totally roll with it, but I think his supporters are in for a disappointment, or at least some disappointing pushback from sharper minds.

I'll be curious to see if he starts to lose overall support or not. His blogosphere cred is certainly on the decline. OTOH, I wouldn't want to underestimate the potential size of a personality-based campaign. Still, it seems like no matter how wide that support is, it would by necessity have to be pretty thin.

... at minimum. Good grief.

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Authentic learning ends where faith begins.

I really hope it's a troll plant.

Nothing like using an accusation of racism to hide a little racism in.

FTR, Obama should definitely attend YKos. It's in his back yard, and it's a chance for him to get to know an important constituency and to let them get to know him.

To the poster from the Obama camp...

These people are not ' haters'. They are just ' skeptics'.

And, if you think THIS is harsh...

You need to go to the Black Blogosphere and see what some of his critics have written about Senator Obama.

As an Obama supporter, you have to develop a thicker skin than this.

but then again it hasn't been enough to simply disagree, it's been necessary to misrepresent his position on the issue, which is pretty sad and pathetic in and of itself.

This person doesn't represent the majority of Pro-Obama people.  I'd say ignore it.  It's like the select group of Pro-Edwards or Pro-Hillary people who stab at Obama whenever they get a chance.  Denounce them and then ignore them.  

This fellow needs to take a look at the straw polls. Nearly two-thirds support Obama as their first or second choice. I believe he was also second place in the last Dkos straw poll. Amazing how many 'nasty, vicious, venomous' people support him over here. Must be a vast, racist (and apparently Southern) conspiracy. Or something.

And for the record, the only 'monkey' is the President.

1. I think the original poster on Barack's blog is a fake and over the top.

2. I think by you posting his blog entry on the front page of MyDD you are actually proving his point that this site has bias against Obama.

It's not true. It's probably a rightwing plant. Nobody talks like that in real life. Sounds like an anonymous letter writer, a poison pen, if you will.

I'm going to Yearly Kos! It's going to be fun. Republicans who can't say whooee, it's gonna be a good time tonight, are dorks who live for money instead - and being mean.

Can we please ignore ridiculous commenters?  Any idiot can post an idiot comment/blog post.  Front-paging a quote from a random idiot who is an Obama supporter (supposedly, anyways) is irresponsible.  Every candidate out there has some idiots who support them.

So how is this different than the Fox "News" personalities using a random post to "prove" that we were all anti-semites because we were against Lieberman?

The commentary cited above is idiotic, but that said, I think the most major frustration isn't just Obama's use of GOP framing for Dem legislative issues, even though I didn't like that he'd allowed to look that way.  

What's hurting him the most (yes, I realize this is just tired, practical wisdom) is lack of policy specifics, or at least some broad policy direction that sets him apart from his peers.  

Another diary here on MyDD that cites Obama's eventual speech delivering foreign policy ideas will be crucial.  If he knows what's at stake, he'll be swinging for the fences with this speech.

And, more importantly, it'll be something that can properly re-orient our national security.  I credit Obama with the pragmatism to get us there, but I'm waiting to see what the speech looks like.  

We can get some more of those crazy "will we protect our embassy" parsing words threads going...

Man, I need a beer...what a couple of days it's been around here.

the frontpagers are pro-Edwards on both this site and kos and have not been fair to Obama, but this rant is ridiculous, a strong minority of those that visit here and on kos are Obama supporters and while a few nuts exist most of us are in the mainstream of political discourse.

It's hard to imagine there are any comments at Daily Kos calling Obama a "monkey."  And of course, any such comments that did exist would swiftly be troll-rated into oblivion by the community.

However, as ridiculous as the allegation by this (maybe fake, maybe real) diarist is, I hate to give it even the tiniest fragment of traction by front-paging the claim.  Maybe I'm overly cautious, but it's not like there's a lot of good this diary can accomplish anyway, so I would have just left it alone.

and Jerome you have also done what the "idiot poster" did yourself, elevating a select few morons as a "supporters of Obama" meme, what he has done to Obama opponenets you have done to him, honestly this is why I did not contribute and will not to any fundraising campaigns here.

We rightly get angry when someone from the media picks a single comment off of a blog and then implies that it accurately reflects the feeling of that blogging community...

whoever posted that story on the front page proved how biased this site is. you proved the very thing you seek to ridicule.

That's it?

You post this comment with no response? Are you trying to instigate a fight? Anyway, I can say that I have seen many anti-Obama posts on all of the blogs mentioned, but the charges of racism and the allegation that he's been called a monkey on Daily Kos I cannot confirm. I have seen worse than that on Huffington Post but many of them are Republican Trolls or Imus Democrats.

How do we know you didn't post it yourself bro?

Just Kidding.

;p

I mean, going on candidates blogs to look for the most ridiculous comments is just plain ridiculous in of itself. We accuse the right-wing blogs of doing this and yet we have Jerome, the blogfather himself, setting a LOW example to all of us.

Really sad to see such posts on MyDD particularly coming from someone like Jerome.

I can't believe this is real. First, acting as if MyDD (or the others) has one singular voice and it is rabidly anti-Obama is simply ridiculous. Second, the appropriate action to take would be to flood the sites with Pro Obama rhetoric, not to ignore them. Ignore the base? Sounds like Bob Shrum to me.

I'm a big Obama supporter, but criticism should be welcomed and responded to. He is very new to the scene, and we need to know what he is all about.

If I had to tender a guess, I think this post is one from a Clintonite, trying to inflame the Obama/Edwards debate.

If that post was planted, it's a plant that somebody put a fair amount of effort into.  The guy has his own profile page, and apparently has 9 'friends' on the site.

( I call this one: Are Edwards supporters Racist?")

Barak is The Oprahs' "boy toy.." (none / 0)

Barak Obama is The Oprahs' "Boy Toy", what did you expect..?
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As an American of African decent , I am growing increasingly concerned with the attacks being hurled at Oprah. I have asked for video so that I may see for myself what the fuss is about, but now I'm reading comments about Barack Obama and I'm starting to become suspicious. What does he have to do with this other than his being Black? What are you trying to say? Where is the video.? I want to see for myself and I am really growing concerned because I have never had the impression about Oprah that many of you seem to be expressing.

Give me proof. I want to see for myself. Also, I think what she did in Africa was awesome. I don't think promoting heath by not allowing junk food is "my way or the highway" as was suggested up thread.

I need an answer because what I am seeing does not reflect Oprah at all.

by KS
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KS:

Usually, when people want their arguments to be taken seriously, on a message board or in the real world, they communicate in coherent and complete sentences. That seems to be an art you haven't yet mastered. All you have done throughout this thread is play the race card completely inappropriately every time someone puts forward a rational critique of anything Oprah does or says. Try coming up with an equally rational defense of Oprah instead of mindlessly reverting back to the same old "you're all racists because you called a young black male a boy!!!!!" hysteria.

The public/private school issue is also absolutely irrelevant. Imperical social science evidence has shown that performance improves significantly when students' families are involved in the educational process. Period. And incidentally, this trend holds true on a cross-cultural basis. If you have access to the PsychNet academic database (which is for social science students and professionals), you could pull up page after page of such research. Crying ignorance and demanding links does not make your own lack of informedness anyone else's fault. Private schools can of course get away with more than public schools can--that freedom to get away with more does NOT mean that such tactics are wise or beneficial for students. These particular choices are no more wise in a private school setting than in a public school setting. And in Oprah's case, it does seem to be a matter of control, since she has absolutely no training or background in cognitive psychology or education, and yet prides herself on the power she wields in determining her school's policy. If she was truly interested in making the school as good as it could be, she'd let people with the appropriate training make the decisions instead of micro-managing it herself.

And while we're on that subject, do you have a Master of Arts in Teaching? If not, should you really be debating the educational merits of Oprah's dictatorial private school with somebody who does have such a background in the field? I think not. It's plain you hadn't even done your homework on Oprah's school. You wanted to prattle on about junk food instead of addressing the real educational issues at play here. Only after others brought those issues to your attention did you run off and try to cobble together some kind of a response to save face. And more disturbing than anything else is the fact that you call yourself an Edwards supporter, and yet you're blindly and irrationally defending Oprah after her plainly adversarial attack on his family, and on top of that are blindly and irrationally attacking fellow Edwards supporters as being racist for daring to defend their candidate and his family against Oprah's hostile questioning. Instead of trying to dig yourself out of the hole that you keep making deeper and deeper, I suggest you just give it a rest now.

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/4 /6/194725/2181

Yawn. I wonder if you'd want another Democratic organization taking a concern troll comment from your blog and putting it on the front page of theirs.

Maybe its a Southern white thing...they have a history well known to us all.

My history, FWIW:

1972: Supported Shirley Chisolm.

1976. Supported Fred Harris.
      
1980. Supported Edward Kennedy.
      
1984. Supported Jesse Jackson.
      
1988. Supported Jesse Jackson.
      
1992. Supported Larry Agran in primaries.  Voted for Ron Daniels (Jackson's deputy campaign manager in 1988), Peace & Freedom Party in the general election.
      
1996. Disgusted by Clinton's signing away welfare, voted for Ralph Nader in the general.
      
2000. Disgusted by lack of progressive options, didn't support anyone in the primaries. Safe in a blue state, voted for Nader in the general.
      
2004. Supported Kucinich for his early, vocal and staunch opposition to the Iraq War.

Total: 9 elections. Supported black candidate in: 4 elections.  Supported white southerner in: 0 elections.  Supported white urban liberal in: 4 elections.  Supported white populist in: 1 election.

If I support Edwards this time around, that will increase the white populist count to 2. If Sharpton were running this time, I would almost certainly be supporting him.  After supporting all those folks who didn't get elected, I would just love to be supporting Obama this time around.  But he doesn't seem to want support from people like me.  Not since he won the 2004 Senate primary.

Not cool. This is what right wing bloggers do to make left wing bloggers look bad. For a guy who hates it when Democrats talk like Republicans, you really sound like one.

PS. I support Edwards.

honestly I was considering giving to maintain this site, I can deal with the fact the front pagers support Edwards and I like alot about this place, but this type of front page post says alot about what this site is starting to become and it isn't for the best.

honestly I was considering giving to maintain this site, I can deal with the fact the front pagers support Edwards and I like alot about this place, but this type of front page post says alot about what this site is starting to become and it isn't for the best.

by posting his nutty post you prove his point.. mydd is biased against obama.. the nutty part by the way is the racist stuff.. the rest is pretty much right on the money.

there's been plenty of smears on obama being posted here.. i'm sick of it frankly... the recent diary by vox populi about obama: democrats hate the troops or some such way beyond the line of common decency... there was the post by matt stoller yesterday or day before which is still up about how obama gave foxnews an interview.. and the examples go on and on..

its fine if edwards campaigners hate obama so much and want to post whatever they want..but obama supporters may just look elsewhere to exchange ideas ... edwards supporters might do well to remember that obama may win the primary anyways so you might want to chill and be a bit more civil..

on their candidates website?

Someone on John Edward's site said this about Obama. Did anyone blog on it on FRONT PAGE?

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/4 /6/194725/2181

By the way, I think many in & out of the military will hesitate to vote for someone with the name B Hussein Obama, wrong as that may be, and as much as I am impressed with him.  So John Edwards may want to remember that when he (hopefully) chooses a running mate for his VP.  We need John Edwards now.  We need for him to win, desperately!  

Jerome is delusional or maybe drank this afternoon, but THIS IS A NEW LOW!

Meanwhile Hillary is the winner here: she is so smart she culls posts on her website.

THis blog is stooping really know.

this site is turning from a liberal blog to an Edwards rapid response site or worse

Guys.  C'mon.  Seriously.  Taking this to heart is like taking a blog which was using another blog for it's source to say 'Obama stops his freezeout on fox and praises McCain' seriously.  

Again, it's one radical Obama supporter, not the majority.  

If you wanna pick bad apples I could dig a few here.  

Today someone had to bash Al Franken with the GOP spin on his entire campaign.  People have been bashing Obama on non-bash-worthy material.  People have been bashing Edwards on non-bash-worthy material.  The only thing that comes out of it is ignorant division between our own party.  

The "progressive" blogs seem most concerned with attitude, tone. If it's in your face, they like it. So in the 2004 primary season only upper-left seemed to give Kerry a break; most of the rest I saw were rabidly antiKerry and pro-Dean, even though his record and policies were more progressive than Dean's. And when Dean was out and Deaniacs migrated to the Kerry blog, the main thing on their minds seemed to be the absence of the "bat" for keeping track of contributions. Complaint after complaint, request after request: give us the Bat! So intelligent! So progressive! I share a lot of the concerns about Obama--such as his apparent tendencies in 2005-2006 to criticize the Democratic brand, his leanings toward nonpartisanship. But the move that now seems underway in the big progressive blogs like this one and dailykos to pile on against Obama is really disheartening. Looking at what Edwards said about the war just after the invasion, do you really trust him? Is he more than packaging? Do you really want to eviscerate Obama so early, risking that Edwards might be the only alternative to Clinton that you'll be left with?

I'm with the complainers on this one - taking one commenter and making him the voice of all the others is not only misguided, it is downright misleading. I have been increasingly impressed by the valuable debate and insight on this blog and then you go and blow it all with a stunt like this. Please remove it. IMMEDIATELY.

I am strongly anti-war-on-Iraq (and always was), but I also like what Obama said in the two books of his that I read. I think a President Obama would be a thrilling break-through for modern American politics. From what he has said, I have every reason to believe that he is against destructive military involvements. I am willing to give him some latitude in his rhetoric for now.

I also like many of Edwards' stated positions. So, I like both candidates at this point. Maybe they will end up on a winning ticket together. For that matter, Richardson has many demonstrated strengths, too, especially in matters of peace and diplomacy.

It's more than a year until the election, and, based on the last three months, I'd predict there will be a lot of major events in American politics before November 2007 rolls around. At that point, I will definitely limit my commitment to just one of these fine candidates, so that I can give a full year of support to their campaign.

Until then, I will try to support all of them, unless one of them does something plainly and directly contrary to my principles. If Hillary wins the primary, I will gladly support her in the general; and if you think that's a bad idea, then maybe you're part of the Bush problem against which I've been struggling since January 2000, when I committed to Gore.

I know that after these dark years of GOP control, we're all impatient and frustrated, but can we refrain from the premature rush to judgment?

... About Obama.

Thats seems to the standard message from Obama's supporters.   Even here on mydd whenever Obama is painted in the slightest of negative light his supporters get worked up into a tizzy and resort to the playground equiv. of a third grader saying, "you take that back."

This country is in a position to either correct its course or let Jeffersonian government go extinct in the next decade.  The public's mood and the criminal/incompetent/irresponsible/etc behavior which has been exposed, in no small part by blogs like this one, have me hopefull.  Then I see things like this and begin to lose hope.  
Please everyone don't fool yourself.  The most important thing for our nation and the future of Jeffersonian government is that we get a democratic president and retain majorities in both chambers of congress begining in 09.  Any of our democratic candidates will do.  I have my preferances and openly admit that at this point I am an any democrat but Hilary guy, but I cannot stand for this type of fracturing amongst us this early.  
If Hilary gets the nod, I will happily vote for her in the general.  You won't see me thrashing her here before that.  Almost as important is that you won't see me throwing hissy fits at her supporters either.
Obama supporters, please quit throwing a tantrum any time anyone wants to discuss the pros AND CONS of your guy.  We do the same with the other candidates too.  Hilary and Edwards supporters, please make sure that your negative comments regarding Obama are substantive.

DON'T BLOW THIS CHANCE TO PUT DEMOCRATS IN CHARGE OF FIXING WHAT W HAS FUCTUP BY CANIBALIZING EACH OTHER DURING OUR SHINING MOMMENT OF POSSIBILITY!!

I am really surprised to see a pro like Jerome trolling a site and picking an obvious troll comment and making it seem like it's real.
It's really sad that the guys at mydd have forgotten progressive ideas, open minds and dialoge.  Instead they have become what they hate the most.  Just like the rightwingers who smear the character of a decent person and have become narrow minded.
I do suggest they change the name of their site from my direct democracy to The John Edwards Fanzine site.

Not everybody who defends Obama is a "troll," the most overused word on the blogosphere.

I have to say, I have seen a lot of vicious anti-Obama sentiment on DailyKos. I felt personally insulted by some of Markos' comments about Obama supporters "frothing at the mouth" whenever he attacks Obama for "surrendering" to Bush and "caving" to the right, language I pointed out to him that Democrats hate to be accused of w/respect to a "phased withdrawal" in Iraq. But all of a sudden its ok for fellow Democrats, in a primary, to attack each other as being less than American. I completely agree with the quoted blogger who said DailyKos has questioned Obama's integrity and motives.

Listen, if people disagree with Obama on his Iraq position, fine, but he's FAR to the left of Hillary and Edwards, that's a fact. Hillary would leave 75,000 troops, and Edwards voted for the war to begin with.

But anyways, when people attack Obama supporters, it pisses me off. I volunteered for Obama for 7 hours during his LA speech in early Febuary, and I don't appreciate having our enthusiasm thrown in our face because DailyKos or others have some agenda to fulfill, or because they aren't smart enough to realize that the front runner, Clinton, is far more centrist and poll driven than Obama ever would be. But then again, Obama's not advertising 5k a week on DailyKos!

call me a troll if you want, but this kind of intern-dissent among Democrats is completely unnecessary, Democrats should be seeking to score points off REPUBLICANS, not each other, damaging our candidates before the general election.

Ahh, this thread takes me back to the 2004 primary flamewars.

I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd bet that:

*There's not a single instance of anyone calling Obama a "monkey" anywhere on DailyKos

*The poster is a troll

*Jerome posted the complaint because he thought it was funny.  I thought so too.

*The commenters on this thread who are upset about the raw deal Obama's getting are going to have a long, stressful primary season on the dem blogs.

I odn't understand why Jerome is upset by two vocal assholes.  Why the hell do you even care, and why is this worthy of a front page post?  Its pretty ridiculous.  

Yawn............
.

I didn't start reading MyDD and DailyKos until well into 2004, by which time most of the primaries were over.  So I missed what seems to have been some nutty sniping between supporters of one candidate or another.  I was a Deanie until Dean dropped out, and I started doing Kerry stuff soon after.

So for those of you who were around here in 2004...

Is this, like, normal?

Clearly there are some really thin skinned supporters of one campaign or another.  And I've seen some really paranoid, crazy posts by some folk. I don't think it helps the campaigns these folks represent, but if what's happening in the DOJ right now is any indication, sometimes your true believers are you worse nightmare.

I'm not sure what we can do about this, besides ignoring the nuttiness, supporting whoever each of us thinks is the Right Guy/Gal, and being level headed enough to support the nominee when the dust clears.  But it makes sense to try.

Duly noted.

Gonna be a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnggggggggg primary season.

It would not be a suprise to see some of the bloggers that post here becoming "Edwards consultants" in the very near future.

I think the reason this has touched a nerve is actually more to do with its (admittedly screwy) attack on DailyKos. There is an understandable, but misguided, feeling of solidarity and superiority amongst the left-wing blogs that causes a thin-skinned defensiveness which is frankly embarrassing to behold. I happen to think the blogosphere here is usually right about the answers it condones. However, folks must learn to be discerning about their loyalties - We cannot let ourselves believe that the groups we like or dislike are real, bounded entities. That is the right wing trap - 'fight for those you belong to'. We are all individual, at the end of the day, and those groups we identify with are ultimately illusory (yes, that includes national groups).
Obama is just a man, no more, no less, and as such cannot lay claim to some blog-derived form of moral purity. ON THIS ISSUE, he may be misaligned with many bloggers (though I tend to believe he thinks he is doing the right thing for Iraqis (remember them!) and that if it turned out he wasn't, he would change his mind) but as a well-rounded, experienced and insightful PERSON he is a very interesting and unusual choice for POTUS. Let's leave it at that...