Obama Takes Statistically Significant Lead in South Carolina

The South Carolina Insider, a division of an Atlanta-based polling firm, has conducted what appears to be it's first survey in the Palmetto State, the results of which seem to upend the common wisdom about the state of the race in the fourth stop in the road to the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. Lee Bandy has the details.

The Illinois senator's showing represents a complete turnaround for Obama who trailed in earlier South Carolina surveys.

Today, Obama holds a comfortable lead in South Carolina, according to a new telephone poll.

He leads with 34 percent of the Democratic primary vote, followed by Clinton with 20 percent.

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Obama was the overwhelming choice of blacks, winning [43]* percent of the African-American community, to 28 percent for Clinton.

There are a few things to note about this poll before reading too much into its results. First and foremost the poll, which has a margin of error of slightly more than plus or minus 4 percent and was in the field from Friday through Sunday, had a sample comprised of registered Democrats in South Carolina -- not likely voters. While it's not clear to me how a tighter screen on respondents would have affected the results of the poll, I'm fairly certain that it would have skewed the numbers one way or another because population of likely Democratic primary voters is significantly smaller than the population of Democrats in the state. Along the same lines, this poll could very well represent first impressions rather than hard support as voters simply are not as engaged today as they will be next January, let alone after the first debate in the state later this month. Finally, it's important not to read too much into a single poll.

That all said, these results do run at least somewhat contrary to the common wisdom about the race in South Carolina. And if these numbers hold -- or even grow -- South Carolina could stand as either a firewall or a momentum builder for Obama come January 2008.

Update [2007-4-10 14:26:22 by Jonathan Singer]: I might add that these numbers are quite different from polling from ARG and Emerson College back in February, both of which showed Clinton with a similarly sizeable lead. This could mean that there has been movement in the state -- but it could also mean that the latest survey is an outlier.

Tags: 2008, Democratic primaries, South Carolina (all tags)

Comments

45 Comments

Registered Democrats is an odd sample.

Edwards will win South Carolina again.

by MeanBoneII 2007-04-10 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Registered Democrats is an odd sample.

Particurly since South Carolina does not have party registration, every voter is an unaffiliated who gets to chose his own primary.

by THE MODERATE 2007-04-10 08:59AM | 0 recs
Check out these Republicans sweating over Edwards.

They sound worried. That's good.

by MeanBoneII 2007-04-10 09:05AM | 0 recs
I'll repeat my prediction of a month ago

Hillary will not win a single state, not even New York.

by david mizner 2007-04-10 09:25AM | 0 recs
That is simply hilarious!

by dpANDREWS 2007-04-10 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll repeat my prediction of a month ago

Give me some of that great stuff your smokin.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-10 02:26PM | 0 recs
Let's not forget

that South Carolina is more than 2 weeks after Iowa--more than enough time for the numbers in SC to turn upside down. Also Florida and Michigan might be held on the same day as South Carolina.

by david mizner 2007-04-10 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Registered Democrats is an odd sample.

Yes....I have never heard of the Insider Advantage group before.  When they report that they surveyed "Registered Democrats" in SC, I have to call into question their validity.  We (well, I used to live there) don't register by Party in SC.  Polls usually say "Likely Democratic Primary Voters."

That being said, this should raise HUGE alarms for Edwards.  This is the only State he won in 2004 and I see it as a must win for him in 2008.  If he's in third place, he's in trouble.

by tlanehudson 2007-04-10 09:18AM | 0 recs
Even taking this dubious poll's numbers...

...Hillary and Obama roughly split 61% of the African-American vote. That leaves 39% who are not sold on those two. Edwards would only need about half of them to end up winning South Carolina, because he'll win at least half of the white vote. As we get closer to actually pulling levers, this kind of poll will weigh heavily on primary voters.

by MeanBoneII 2007-04-10 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Registered Democrats is an odd sample.

It maybe an odd sample but it helps Edwards more because likely primary voters helps Obama more since black consists of over 45% of like Democratic primary voters.

Edwards will not win South Carolina. I only want the Democrats to run a respectful campaign.

by mdiogu 2007-04-10 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Registered Democrats is an odd sample.

Edwards won SC last time around by 30% and won a plurity of the african american vote. It's a lot tougher this time around, but I see Hillary and Obama splitting the african american vote with Edwards keeping a good slice of their vote and taking in an overwhelming amount of the white vote for the win.

Obviously if he wins Iowa (and gets first or second in NH) it would boost Edwards in SC too.

by Quinton 2007-04-10 12:33PM | 0 recs
Wow

I wouldn't want to be the candidate trying to convince black voters not to choose Obama, great news.

by nevadadem 2007-04-10 08:56AM | 0 recs
Obama is going to do very well...

with black voters, who are 50% of the Dem primary voters in South Carolina.  It should be a good state for him...

by rashomon 2007-04-10 08:58AM | 0 recs
this is not a surprise

45% of primary voters are black.

If Obama gets 75% or more of the black vote he wins SC..

not very complicated.

by TarHeel 2007-04-10 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not a surprise

We had our first Obama meeting in the Upstate (Greenville-Spartanburg) portion of SC last week.

The meeting was well attended and attracted a diverse crowd in terms of both age, race, and political background.

Hillary and Edwards had better bring their A game to SC if they want to be competitive with Obama.

by Sam I Am 2007-04-10 09:11AM | 0 recs
Obama now has a chance

I think now, that Obama can outright win the primary as before, I thought he was going fot the vp slot. He is taking the anti-Hillary vote that otherwise that might have gone to someone else.

by olawakandi 2007-04-10 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama now has a chance

the black vote is a big key here, as Obama is seen as really in the race to become the first black president does anyone really think when all is said and done and everyone is engaged in the primary, not just the nutcases like us, that Obama won't win an overwhelming majority of african american voters. Some black people I know thought he couldn't win before so they supported Hillary but now they see thousands of white Iowans showing up for him and know this isn't Al of Jesse this guy can win.

by nevadadem 2007-04-10 09:07AM | 0 recs
Good point, but that would be undermined...

...by a third-place finish in Iowa.

by MeanBoneII 2007-04-10 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Good point, but that would be undermined...

Maybe... It really depends on how close things are in Iowa.  A close second in Iowa underminds winning in Iowa...  If Edwards got 32 and the second candidate got 28, Edwards win would give him a modest bounce at best.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-10 02:30PM | 0 recs
Last time, that was about the margin Kerry had...

...and it was no modest bounce.

by MeanBoneII 2007-04-11 01:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama now has a chance

Jesse had some big crowds in Iowa when he ran. I remember seeing on C-SPAN a couple of hundred people on what looked like a farm in the middle of nowhere.

by joyful alternative 2007-04-10 06:07PM | 0 recs
please try with a straight

face to say that the black vote Obama gets would not go to Hillary because of Bill if Obama was not in the race.

Obama helps take votes and money from black wall street money bundlers... in NY

by TarHeel 2007-04-10 10:22AM | 0 recs
Overwhelming Black Support??

"Obama was the overwhelming choice of blacks, winning 33 percent of the African-American community, to 28 percent for Clinton."

A 33-28 advantage is hardly overwhelming under any circumstances.  And when the entire poll only had 500 respondents, a 5% difference amongst African-Americans has to be well under the MOE for that group.

by RT 2007-04-10 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Overwhelming Black Support??

Not only that, but the 5-point is difference is about a third of the 14-point difference in the overall sample, which implies that non-blacks in SC are much more likely to pick Obama over Clinton than are blacks.  Weird poll, which I'll take as support for my feeling that '08 polls conducted in spring '07 are worthless.

by aaronetc 2007-04-10 09:58AM | 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing

Although I do expect that Obama's share of the black vote in polls will increase as the campaign goes on.

SC is going to be quite the battle between Obama and Edwards. I think Hillary will have trouble there after we push her into a distant third place in Iowa and NH. :-)

by desmoinesdem 2007-04-10 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Overwhelming Black Support??

I have a feeling that this is a typo, but I haven't been able to track down a correction (if there is one to be made).

by Jonathan Singer 2007-04-10 10:36AM | 0 recs
evidence for typo

The text on the front page (in a little scrolling window) says:

Interestingly, we see the same African-American vote split (Obama in the mid-40 percentile range, Clinton in the mid-20 percentile range) as in the other states. But Obama's white support in South Carolina is higher and Obama statistically ties Clinton among females. This is not a complete shock given that almost half of the Democratic primary will likely be made up of African-American voters. Still, the margin of Obama's lead in South Carolina was stronger than I expected this early in the race."

http://www.insidersc.com/

So I think the right number is probably 43 not 33.

by John DE 2007-04-10 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Statistically Significant Lead in

Senator Barack Obama is the man for our times.

Obama08

by gcee 2007-04-10 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Statistically Significant Lead in

I think this is probably an outlier based on other polls but if Edwards does that poorly in SC it would likely put him out of the race. I think either Obama or Clinton will win SC. Edwards needs a second place to continue.

by robliberal 2007-04-10 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Statistically Significant Lead in

Rob I agree this is probably an outlier but so it the Gallup poll.

by nevadadem 2007-04-10 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Statistically Significant Lead in

Where to you get that expectation 8 months out?   We have a three race.  South Carolina is just one state and this is just one poll.  

by littafi 2007-04-10 09:56AM | 0 recs
I disagree with you

If Edwards has a strong win in Iowa and Nevada and does respectably well in NH, he doesn't need second place in SC.

But for the record, I think Edwards will place first or second in SC.

by desmoinesdem 2007-04-10 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: I disagree with you

I doubt Edwards has a shot in Nevada. He has been in 3rd and 4th place in some polls.

by robliberal 2007-04-10 10:32AM | 0 recs
The same polls that showed...

...Hillary up by 10 or 15 in Iowa -- ARG polls, which don't screen likely caucus-goers very tightly.

After Edwards wins Iowa, Nevada will be a fight for second place.

by MeanBoneII 2007-04-10 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: The same polls that showed...

Of course we will take that with a grain of salt, since it comes from a guy supporting Edwards ;-)

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-10 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: The same polls that showed...

Nobody knows how to poll Nevada.  They haven't had a caucus like this before, so they are guessing when they try to determine likely caucus goers.

by jallen 2007-04-10 03:23PM | 0 recs
Who was the polling firm again?

And how is a 5 point lead among African Americans (in a poll with a 4% MOE) "overwhelming"?

If Barack can only beat HRC by 5% among African Americans he is going to lose the race badly.

by dpANDREWS 2007-04-10 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Lead?

Polling outfit?
Their record?
Registered Democrats?
MOE?

Seems completely at odds with similar North Carolina:

In North Carolina, a new Public Policy Polling survey shows Sen. John Edwards leading in his home state's Democratic presidential race.

John Edwards 39%
Hillary Clinton 25%
Barack Obama 20%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/r eports/PPP_Report_040407.pdf

by philgoblue 2007-04-10 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Lead?

Edwards fared poorly in previous SC polls as well. NC and SC are completely different types of states. NC is part Appalachia, part coastal.

by robliberal 2007-04-10 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Lead?

This poll was taken on April 6-8th.

The insider's is an Atlanta polling company which recently polled the state of GA. MAR. 23-28TH

Clinton 32

Edwards 28

Obama 18

Remember Obama's release of 1st qtr funding was done late morning on APRIL 4TH.

by BDM 2007-04-10 11:10AM | 0 recs
Edwards & NC

If Edwards can't carry his own state in the primary he's got no business running.

The SC primary will largely be decided by Black voters. That's why it was moved up in the process.

If Obama can't put up big numbers with Black voters he's got no business running.

by Carl Nyberg 2007-04-10 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards & NC

The various state polls I have seen show Edwards gets black votes in the 10s to 20s with Clinton and Obama getting the rest.  That will be a very big problem for Edwards in the primaries in states with large black voting populations.

by robliberal 2007-04-10 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards & NC

If Gore had won his home state, he would be president today.

by joliepoint 2007-04-25 12:23PM | 0 recs
Obama will win SC

African Americans are about 50% of the democratic electorate, which pretty much gives Obama a big advantage here...Unless Clinton or Edwards are able to lock up the white vote and keep Obama from gaining less then 15% of it, it really gives Obama in edge.

I expect Obama to win the black votes in SC.

by JaeHood 2007-04-10 10:44AM | 0 recs
My Primary Predictions

I see the first 4 shaping up this way...

Iowa - Edwards win with 32%, Obama second with 28% and HRC gets 18%, with the rest splitting.

New Hampshire - Obama wins with 30%, HRC rebounds with 28% and Edwards gets 26%.

Nevada - Edwards wins with 28%, Obama second with 26% and HRC with 20%.

South Carolina - Obama wins with 35%, Edwards with 28%, and Hillary with 24%.

This will lead us into Feb 5 (unless some of the ones jump up), where Edwards and Obama get about an Even Split of the states, except with NY.  HRC drops out, and it becomes a two way race.

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-10 02:47PM | 0 recs

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