Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

In the current issue of CQ Weekly, reporter Greg Giroux takes a look at all of the landslide House elections since 1964 to see if historical trends provide evidence to the concern by some on this side of the aisle that the Democratic freshmen who won in 2006 are susceptible to defeat in 2008. To illustrate his point -- "that freshman classes have generally proved themselves to be politically resilient after the 'wave' of elections in the past half-century" -- Giroux put together a nice little bar graph, which I have supplemented and slightly reformatted into the two charts below to not only account for the reelection records of freshmen in past landslide or sea change elections but also include data on how the parties of those freshmen fared two years after their major victories.

Midterm Landslides
Landslide
Cycle
Blowback
Cycle?
YearSeat
Change
FreshmenYearSeat
Change
Freshmen
Losers
1966R+47591968R+41
1974D+49751976D+22
1982D+27571984R+144
1994R+54731996D+912
2006D+31422008??
Average
Excluding
2006
+44.2566Average
Excluding
2008
-4.25
(10%)
4.75
(7%)


Presidential Election Year Landslides
Landslide
Cycle
Blowback
Cycle?
YearSeat
Change
FreshmenYearSeat
Change
Freshmen
Losers
1964D+36711966R+4726
1980R+34521982D+2613
Average+3561.5Average-36.5
(104%)
19.5
(32%)

As you can see from the provided charts, parties that pick up large numbers of seats during presidential elections appear fairly susceptible to a large loss of seats two years later, with parties on average actually losing more seats two years later than they gained during the initial landslide. What's more, in these instances, about a third of the freshmen who were carried to victory by the coattails of their party's presidential nominee went on to lose two years later.

But when we look at landslides in the House that occur during midterm elections, as happened last fall, it appears that the party gaining seats is significantly more immune to large losses of seats in the chamber two years later. On average, the winning party has lost just under 10 percent of the seats they previously gained, half of the time actually posting small increases rather than decreases in their numbers two years after their big win. Likewise, just about 7 percent of freshman carried into office on their party's coattails during a midterm election tended to lose two years later during the subsequent election.

History is certainly not a predictor of future outcomes, and the Democrats should not rely on these numbers, merely assuming that they are bound to hold on to the House following the 2008 elections no matter what. What's more, in elections prior to 1964, which Giroux does not examine, the record is more mixed; in 1960 Democrats lost about 43 percent of their 49-seat gain of two years earlier, in 1956 Democrats gained two seats on top of their 19-seat pickup in 1954, and in 1948 Republicans lost their entire 55-seat gain of 1946 -- and then some. That all said, if we were to extend the trend over the last several decades to 2008, Democrats might expect to post a net loss of about three seats with just about three freshmen losing -- numbers not nearly enough for the Republicans as they attempt to retake the House in 2008.

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Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

And that is if you consider this election in a vaccuum.  But this election isn't going to happen in a vacuum.  It is going to happen with the war in Iraq likely still forming the backdrop, and George W. Bush one of the most unpopular Presidents in history.   I don't see how the Democrats lose seats.  They probably even gain a few more.  

by gobacktotexas 2007-03-05 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

I think the circumstances are different from previous years and Democrats can retain the momentum from 2006. In addition to the issues we had in 2006 we may also have the economy as well since the odds are increasing we will go into a recession.

by robliberal 2007-03-05 10:31AM | 0 recs
1994 REP Freshmans vs 2006 DEM Freshmans

Regarding the 1994 REP Freshman class. The remaining members are- elected in 1994 and served continuously
1)George Randanovich(CA)
2)Dave Weldon(FL)
3)Jerry Weller(IL)
4)Mark Souder(IN)
5)Todd Tiahrt(KS)
6)Ed Whitfield(KY)
7)Roger Wicker(MS)
8)Frank LoBiondo(NJ)
9)Walter Jones(NC)
10)Steve Chabot(OH)
11)Steve LaTourette(OH)
12)Zack Wamp(TN)
13)Mac Thornberry(TX)
14)Tom Davis(VA)
15)Doc Hastings(WA)

In 2006
All of the Blue(Kerry)District Freshman Democrats who won Republican Held House Districts will be re-elected in 2008
1)Ed Perlmutter(CO)
2)Joe Courtney(CT)
3)Chris Murphy(CT)
4)Ron Klien(FL)
5)Bruce Braley(IA)
6)Dave Loesbeck(IA)
7)John Yarmuth(KY)
8)Paul Hodes(NH)
9)Joe Sestak(PA)
10)Patrick Murphy(PA)
plus Democratic Freshmans who won by a double digit margin
11)Gabrielle Giffords(AZ)
12)Brad Ellsworth(IN)
13)Mike Arcuri(NY)
14)Zack Space(OH)

Other Democratic Freshmans that would get re-elected

  1. Harry Mitchell(AZ)
  2. Joe Donnelly(IN)
17)Baron Hill(IN)
18)Tim Walz (MN)
19)Carol Shea Porter(NH)
20)John Hall(NY)
21)Kirsten Gillibrand(NY)
22)Heath Schuler(NC)
23)Jason Altmire(PA)
24)Ciro Rodriguez(TX)

Democratic Freshmans who are likely get defeated
1)Nick Lampson(TX)
2)Tim Mahoney(FL)
3)Chris Carney(PA)
4)Nancy Boyda(KS)
5)Steve Kagen(WI)

6)Jerry McNerney(CA)???

by CMBurns 2007-03-05 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

  There will be some blowback. It will be concentrated in the South, though. I don't see how the two Democratic representatives in Georgia districts 8 and 12 (I believe those are them), are going to not be fighting for their lives. Also, the guy who took Delay's district is in for a fight, as are freshmen in any districts where the partisan score card is R 10+. That means five to ten freshment are in danger, at least.

by liberal2012 2007-03-05 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

In all of the blowback years, obviously, the president was of the party opposite the landsliders.  In the election cycle following the blowback mid-term, the party of the winning presidential candidate won seats.

What does that mean?  Our hold on the House will depend heavily upon who our nominee is in 2008.  

Same thing with state legislative seats.

by Peter from WI 2007-03-05 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?


Throughout the Nineties and up to now, midterms are substantially more decisive in determining which Party, and which faction/wing of the Party, controls Congress.

In fact, in my opinion the American political cycles in recent years are 4 year chunks from one midterm election to the next.

Predictions for '08...yeah, we'll lose a couple more Southern and Midwestern Blue Dogs.  I just don't see how Lampson or Jim Marshall get reelected, Nancy Boyda has 50/50 odds at best, Byron Hill is probably giving up his overly Christian Right seat to run for governor.  But all those in pretty urban or Northern and Western marginally reddish districts (Mitchell, McNerney, Mahoney, Kagan, Carney, Gillibrand, probably Space) don't strike me as being endangered.

There's quite a bit of opportunity for Democrats in '08.  The Republican-protecting gerrymanders in the Mid-Atlantic states and Great Lakes states and West and Florida are in breakdown.  D's underperformed or didn't get the breaks in districts in e.g. central Ohio and southern Michigan and around Chicago and Milwaukee this past November, and there were a couple of 2%-level misses in Nevada.  There are to my tally about two dozen good House seat pickup opportunities for Ds, to contrast with about half a dozen for Rs all pretty much on or within the historical boundaries of the Confederacy.

I'm watching whether in '08 the marginal districts on the edges of the historical South give up any of their Republican lean, districts like VA-10 and 11, WV-2, OH-1, IL-19, any in KY, MO-6, KS-2 (Boyda's), NM-2, TX-24 (Ciro's), and FL-8.  That would mean not just defection of Indies.  That would take a number of religious Right voters and leaders deciding to disengage from politics.

by killjoy 2007-03-05 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

2008 will not be a blowback. If anything, it will be a harsh year for anything establishment. Could be record numbers of Independents elected to office, mostly at the expense of Republicans but with a slight hurt for Democrats.

But I still expect a Democratic Congress in 2009, and very possibly a Democratic President as well.

by raginillinoian 2007-03-05 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?
     Not very many seats change in close Presidential years. Of the total of 29 seat changes noted in the first chart, 23 came in 1984 and 1996, when the result was never in doubt, and only 6 in the close elections of 1968 and 1976. When there's a close presidential race it sucks up all the news coverage; when it's a blowout, coverage goes in search of a close race for the senate or House.
     At worst, 2008 should be a close race; at best, a Democratic rout. So even though 15 is a relatively slim margin, there doesn't seem to be much chance of the Republicans' taking control of the House, barring a strong Republican win for President.
by Ron Thompson 2007-03-05 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?
Jim Marshall should be OK. This district has a history of sending conservative Democrats to Congress while voting Republican for President. Boyda might be OK. This district usually elected moderate Democrats before Jim Ryun. Both Mahoney and McNerney are in Dem trending districts that are not that Republican, Bush only carried them by single digits in 2004. Lampson and Carney are going to need a lot of luck to be reelected. Im not sure about Kagen, his district is basically a swing district but historically has been a Bermuda Triangle for Democrats. We should be able to hold everyone but Lampson and Carney and pick up NM-01(Wilson), OH-15(Pryce), PA-06(Gerlach), MI-09(Knollenberg), NJ-07(Ferguson), NV-03(Porter), and possibly NC-08(Hayes). That's a gain of five.
by Toddwell 2007-03-05 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

Lots of good analysis in this thread. My first instinct is Lampson and Mahoney will likely lose but Boyda will be okay. Like someone else mentioned, the two Georgia districts will be life and death, and if we lose them they'll for the foreseeable, like the governors mansion. I'd prioritize the hell out of them starting sooner than now.

Jon Porter was probably more vulnerable in '06 than he will be next time. As much as I despise his dishonest campaign themes, he improves every cycle in the debates and he always keeps the opponent on the defensive. It would take a top notch Democrat to oust him in a 50/50 district that has conservative leaning independents. I'm almost hoping Tessa Hafen waits and doesn't challenge again. She's very impressive, only 30, and has plenty of time but a second straight loss might tarnish her.

by Gary Kilbride 2007-03-05 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?
Mahoney could be OK. They are going to go after him hard but his district is really a swing district that is trending Democratic. It also has a large senior population that have concerns about Social Security, which would likely be cut significantly if Republicans gain more strength. He would be smart to pound down this message on Social Security. As for the Georgia twins, GA-12 should remain Democratic. Even John Kerry won that district and it is almost 50% black. There would be no excuse for losing that district.
by Toddwell 2007-03-05 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

About the only strategy the GOP has for 2008 is to maintain that the Iraq invasion was good and noble and the occupation must be handled better and smarter. IOW, it's hard to imagine the GOP doing well and gaining seats when it's practically impossible to run away from Bush.

by herbal tee 2007-03-05 02:09PM | 0 recs
How Big Is The Reference Frame?

This is a good analysis of recent electoral results.  But the big question is whether things are going to stay roughly the same, or whether something major is happening.  "Something major" refers to the process of political realignment. National realigning elections are rare.  There hasn't been an unambiguous example since 1932.  But here's what they invariably look like: A realigning Presidential election accompanies two consecutive House wave elections.  It's not always a mid-term followed by Presidential election.  But in 1930-1932 it was.

What are the similarities to then?  Well, now is the first time since then that the GOP has gained control of all three branches of government.  It's the first time that people have had a chance to see what unfettered Republican rule looks like.  We've just broken out of that.  Iraq and Katrina.  That's what they have to run on from.

Conclusion: There's a real opportunity here for a major change.  Nothing guaranteed.  But an opportunity.

by Paul Rosenberg 2007-03-05 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: How Big Is The Reference Frame?
I would argue that the 1978-1980 cycles was somewhat of a Republican realignment. In 1978, we saw Republicans make big gains in the south in House races and Mississippi elected a Republican Senator for the first time since the Reconstruction. In 1980, we saw Reagan win in a landslide over Carter while carrying a handful of Republican Senators in from the Deep South for the first time since Reconstruction which helped Republicans pick up the Senate that year. He also carried in a bunch more Southern House seats for Republicans. However, Republicans lost almost all of the 1980 southern Senate gains in 1986, but ended up gaining them back in 1992 and 2004. I saw these early cycles as the beginning of the end of the Democratic domination of the south. Hopefully the 2006 and 2008 elections will mark the end of the Northeast/Midwest/West Coast Republicans being sent to Congress.
by Toddwell 2007-03-05 07:46PM | 0 recs
But That's Not Really What the Term Means

The things you saw really happened, but they don't amount to what's mean by a realigning election.

There is a substantial academic literature on realigning elections, political realignment and party systems.  While there is far from unanimity on many points, there are certian elections where the agreement is very high, if not 100%.  The characteristics of those elections is that they are Presidential elections.  And if one examines them emipirically, one finds without exception that the House of Representatives changes hands as well, via two consecutive wave elections--though on one occassion--in the 1890s--the two House elections preceeded the presidential election by one cycle.

What happened in 1980 didn't change the House.  In fact, the Dems had a modest wave election victory in the House in 1982.  The things you're pointing to were really just part of a gradual shift of the South away from the Democrats--beginning way back in 1948--which stemmed from their growing committment to racial justice.

This is really the story of the past 50 or so years--the New Deal Party system was never ended in a classic realigninig election, but it was eroded by Southern (in particular) racism.  This was a gradual process, so there never was a realigning election.

If you want to cite a single most significant election, in terms of polticial eras, that would have to be 1968, not 1980, because that's when the phenomena of dealigned, divided government began to be the norm.  Prior to that, divided government had been a rarity since 1932--just 8 out of 36 years.  After that, the only time a President had both houses of Congress controlled by his party was Carter, Clinton's first two years, Bush's first few months--until Jeffords went independent--then 2002-2006.  That will come to just a little over 10 years out of 40 by the time of the 2008 elections.

The 2006 election was a modest wave by historical standards to form part of a duo of realigning House elections.  But the gradual dealignment away from the New Deal System was even more anomalous, so it seems a pretty good bet that if Dems pick up another 20-30 House seats, add at least 5 Senate seats and take the presidency, they will probably dominate the political system for at least another 30 years to come.

The reason, I would project, is pretty much what you're looking forward to: the GOP will be largely reduced to a regional Southern party at the federal level, with only scattered success in the rest of the country.

That doesn't mean the Republicans won't win the Presidency in that time--Eisenhower won during the Dems period of dominance from 1932-1868, and Wilson won during the Republicans 36 years of dominance before that.  But it does mean that they will be the primary force in setting the terms of debate, and will win the lions share of national elections, both presidential and congressional.  We haven't seen that sort of long-term dominance since 1968--the year that the Dems decisively lost their grip on the Solid South.  

by Paul Rosenberg 2007-03-06 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Need House Dems Expect a Blowback in 2008?

That is precisely what is going on.   What is happening is that independents outside of the Deep South are breaking for the Democrats.   And I would even say that liberal/moderate Republican voters are more likely to support Democrats.   (Especially, as Northeastern Democrats are very similar to the liberal Republicans of 40 years ago.   In New Jersey, people like Senator Clifford Case and Representative Millicent Fenwick.)

National politics has always pivoted around a solid Southern faction that goes into "coalition" with some other group from outside that region.   The "opposing" party to this set up has always had to rely on a united front of the rest of America.

I think the last time a amjority party controlled Congress without relying on significant support in the South, were the Republicans around 1953-54.

What is developing now is a new national Democratic Party that in NOT relying on the Deep South as a base or as a coalition partner.

People who have really studied American politics, see that Mrs. Clinton could just as well have been a liberal "Rockefeller" Republican of the 1950's or '60's.   I believe that will be her appeal to the crossover crowd if she were to be the nominee in Oh-Eight.

by Hoofin 2007-03-05 08:55PM | 0 recs

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