We Still Have Our Work Cut Out for Us on Iran

During all of my interviews at the DNC winter meetings last week, I brought up Iran, both because you, the readers of this site, expressed great interest in the positions of Democratic leaders and presidential contenders on the issue and because I believed it to be an important topic that is being woefully undernoticed by the establishment press. And by and large in these interviews, Democrats professed a determination to turn back efforts by the Bush administration to lead us into another war based on what very well could be questionable intelligence.

Chuck Schumer:

Singer: There is a strong feeling that the administration believes they have the ability through the authorization for force [of 2001 and 2002 to invade Iran].

Schumer: That is absolutely wrong. [...] Should he try to go into Iran without an AUMF we will do everything we can to try to stop that.

Barack Obama:

I think the major difference is that there will not be any tolerance, I think, on the part of this Congress for unilateral action by the United States against Iran. You're not going to get the kind of authorization language that you got for Iraq.

John Edwards:

So that's the way I view what's happening in Iran. We shouldn't be banging the drum. We ought to be talking about a way to really solve this problem.

Harry Reid:

I think the American people are a little cautious in supporting the price for war. And that's basically what the President is doing, it appears. Talked about five people being killed, the Iranians did it. They can't prove that. [...] I believe the President, rather than sending battle carrier groups into the waters off of Iran should be sending diplomats and trying to work something out.

Unfortunately, however, these sentiments do not appear to reflect those of all of the Democrats inside the Beltway. David Mikhail has the details in The Hill.

As the House is set to proceed on a resolution addressing the war in Iraq, a potential divide is surfacing over Democratic bills regarding Iran.

Democrats may not stand united behind a series of bills that speak out against a military attack on Iran, concerned that such bills would make the party prone to attacks regarding foreign policy, according to a senior House staffer. In spite of the party's overwhelming unity behind similar resolutions regarding Iraq, it seems clear that the party's next challenge will be to craft a position on Iran that is distinct from the White House's and also insulates it from criticism of being weak in the global arena.

The potential divide also indicates that not all Democrats are convinced that the party has seized control of the national security issue, in spite of their electoral triumphs in November, which were largely due to the unpopularity of the Iraq war.

No doubt there are few in the Democratic coalition who would openly advocate for America to invade Iran. In fact, one would imagine that few are even arguing behind closed doors for such an action. Nevertheless, there's still a reticence to say no to the President on Iran? Even though the Democrats retook both chambers of Congress on November 7, 2006 in no small part as a result of voters' rejection of Republican foreign policy, particularly with regards to Iraq but not limited to it; even though the generic Republican advantage on the issue of terrorism has vastly shrunk or disappered; and even though large majorities of Americans indicate that they would oppose military action against Iran -- including targeted air strikes -- there are still Democrats in Washington afraid to stand up to President Bush as he edges us closer and closer to armed conflict with Iran?

Clearly, we have our work cut out for us on the issue of Iran. So contact your congressman and your senator and let them know that you want them to declare, for the record, their opposition to an unprovoked and unnecessary American military strike against Iran.

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Just to add this to the list of quotes

Senator Clinton:

"Direct negotiations are not a sign of weakness, they're a sign of leadership."


by Stewieeeee 2007-02-09 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: We Still Have Our Work Cut Out for Us on Iran

This is exactly how the Democratic Party approached the National debate on Iraq in 2002. Exactly. These words shouting out at us from "The Hill":

"Democrats may not stand united behind a series of bills that speak out against a military attack on Iran, concerned that such bills would make the party prone to attacks regarding foreign policy, according to a senior House staffer. In spite of the party's overwhelming unity behind similar resolutions regarding Iraq, it seems clear that the party's next challenge will be to craft a position on Iran that is distinct from the White House's and also insulates it from criticism of being weak in the global arena.

The potential divide also indicates that not all Democrats are convinced that the party has seized control of the national security issue, in spite of their electoral triumphs in November, which were largely due to the unpopularity of the Iraq war."

There is not a dimes worth of difference between this waffling and the waffling that led to the IWR passing in 2002.

by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-09 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: We Still Have Our Work Cut Out for Us on Iran

The best possible binding resolution or bill to pass would be one requiring the President to get congressional authorization before launching military operations in Iran. This would get the widest support possible and would show the true position of the administration, which is that they can do whatever they want whenever they want. If Bush doesn't veto it and bombs Iran anyways then we have full blown constitutional crisis. If Bush vetoes than his chips are on the table and we yet again have a constitutional crisis. Plus nobody looks "weak" on defense, they are enforcing the will of the people by ensuring that an unpopular and untrusted President does not make decisions without consulting the legislative branch.

by ECLE 2007-02-09 11:08AM | 0 recs
Nancy cannot be serious!

The Washington Post reported earlier this week that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has told her Democratic colleagues that if it appears likely that Bush wants to take the country to war against Iran, the House would take up a bill to deny him the authority to do so.

I'm sure Bush will be only too pleased to put his bombers or missiles on standby to allow the Congressional machinery a sporting chance to provide a bill or res requiring him to seek Congressional approval before unleashing!

Not to mention that, while passing the House might be a question of wham, bam, thank you Madam Speaker, the Senate will be in no hurry.

Plus - there's no chance of a binding bill or res, because Bush would veto it on the ground that it is unconstitutional.

There's prospective defunding of an Iran war without Congressional authorization: but I suspect the Senate would stymie that.

Plus - the possibility (slight) that the Dems might eventually bust through these roadblocks and get Congress to pass something effective on Iran is a damned good incentive for Bush to cry tally ho! sooner rather than later!

by skeptic06 2007-02-09 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Nancy cannot be serious!

Seems you are suggesting that there is little that Congress can do in the current situation except a sense of Congress resolution on Iran.  And from what you say even that seems unlikely.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-09 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Nancy cannot be serious!

It seems he doesn't really understand government. There is nothing remotely unconstitutional about congress cutting funding of an ongoing military operation or requiring that the President seek approval to begin a war. These are both express powers granted by the constitution to the congress.

Secondly, the President doesn't need to give a reason for a veto. IT doesn't matter if a bill is constitution or not, he has the power to veto anything that requires his signature. That is also an express power granted to him under the constitution.

Finally, if the Democrats are stupid enough enough to allow Iran to be attacked, they will lose the general election and probably congress in the 2008 elections. The demoralizing effect on the Democratic base will make 2002 look like 1932. You can take your base for granted when they trust you. The base doesn't trust them, the Clintons and the Bush years have shattered that trust with Triangulation and by being the collected bitches of the Bush administration. The base will stay home, much as it did in 2002. The few independents and Republicans that will be pissed off by a refusal to attack Iran will be dwarfed by the numbers of Democrats to be lost by doing so.

by SoulTim 2007-02-10 04:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Nancy cannot be serious!

I think you will find that Skeptic understands government quite well, at least that is the impression I have gained from his many insightful posts on legislative activity lately.

The president needs no reason for a veto but usually justifies this decision and given that there is some constitutional ambiguity here, and a likely fracas over it with the White House, his statement seems fair to me.

Having said that I totally agree with you that Congress could, and should, do something useful about Iran and executive war powers and that they would be fulfilling their electoral mandate by doing so.  The problem is they don't seem able to get cloture on a non-binding resolution about Iraq at this time which does not auger well for an Iran resolution.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-10 10:55AM | 0 recs
Bush isn't going to give them a sitting target

He will move towards war by stages, not by launching a sudden air-strike on Iran.

First, the right has been building the case for war against Iran in the media by launching a thousand lying stories about Iranian "influence" in Iraq being "behind" the attacks on American troops.

The conspiracy theory is that -- of course the Iraqis settle down and behave if only those nefarious Iranian agents weren't stirring up trouble!

The Congress will swallow that whole, because every Democrat wants to look MORE pro-Israel than the next.

You will see the most amazing lying garbage the minute Israel starts any military action against Iran.

And you can bet the Bush regime has been pushing thme to do just that: attack Iran and we'll support you. It has the virtue of not needing a build-up period to gain public support. We just say "we have to support Israel" and the Congress falls all over themselves to do it.

The only thing holding this up is the fact that Israel clearly doesn't want to commit themselves to a war with Iran right now.

It's like a game of "After you Alphonse. No, no, after YOU!"

by Cugel 2007-02-10 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: We Still Have Our Work Cut Out for Us on Iran

If the US takes military action against Iran it would be expected that Natanz, the centerfuge facility, would be destroyed and the nuclear weapons program halted or derailed.  I believe that military planners would advise that this could only be reliably accomplished by using a nuclear bunker-busting device, excluding the unlikely development of some conventional 'wonder weapon' of which the world is unaware.

To my mind that scenario raises the ante on such a strike considerably and might make even the Bush administration balk at such an undertaking.

As for the authorisation for such an action, the current OPLAN nuclear policy permits such a tactical preemptive attack on receipt of a strategic warning and, as part this pre-approved plan, would not require specific Congressional assent.

I would also suggest we consider a scenario where hostilities against Iran commenced as a response to a perceived Iranian attack and how this might affect public opinion and Congressional action.  

Frankly, I think cooler heads have already prevailed on this issue and I wonder how Congress will react, if at all.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-09 12:12PM | 0 recs
I suspect it's more complicated than that

An attack on Iran might begin with Israel with the US stepping in to help their allies. Ultimately Bush is trying to manuever Iran into a Tomkin style incident where he can claim a direct attack on US forces.

An attack on Iran won't be sold as an act of necessary preemption Iraq style was it will be sold as an act of necessary retaliation Vietnam style. I suspect political insiders must know this which is why they're being cagey.

I don't know if Bush is really angling for an attack on Iran or not. I suspect he may be sabre rattling as a strategy for evading blame.

The only problem for Bush and the Neocons in Iraq is that he's getting blamed for it by the american people. The only quagmire they are concerned with is their declining popularity. One solution to that quagmire is scapegoating. Scapegoating doesn't require military intervention. And I suspect there's a tremendous amount of resistance in the Pentagon to throwing out 40 years of strategic doctrine with respect to nuclear warfare.

Although you know you're in trouble when you're hoping that the military bureacracy can curtail the wrong headedness of your elected officials.

by Jose 2007-02-09 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I suspect it's more complicated than that

I was surprised to discover it is more convention than doctrine that the US does not preemptively attack on strategic warning, but it is a temptation which numerous past presidents have resisted in more threatening situations than this.

I agree with your assessment that there are benefits to the Bush administration in portraying the Iranians as responsible for excacerbating problems in Iraq, let's hope that's all it is.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-09 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I suspect it's more complicated than that

The problem with this scenario is that any such attack to defend Israel would be immensely unpopular outside of the jewish and evangelical communities. There is also the strong possibility that it would go poorly. Iran's military is more powerful than what we're used to dealing with, and their anti-aircraft capabilities are vastly superior to Iraq, Serbia, Macedonia, Grenada, or any country in South America. They do, undoubtedly, possess chemical and biological weapons. Let's be honest here, every country that can afford them has them including us. The airforce can not, despite their endless and self absorbed hype, actually do much to degrade a countries ability to fight on the ground OR to win a conflict on it's own. Iraq will explode into chaos at the first bomb dropped in Tehran. Believe me or don't when I say a war with Iran will not be winnable and will not have a positive effect on our war with Iraq.

Now, what will happen to public support of Israel if we involve ourselves in a war with the express purpose of destroying Israels enemies or of protecting that state?

by SoulTim 2007-02-10 04:48AM | 0 recs
Durbin on Iran

from a reply to my correspondence on 2/5:

"Using military force should always be the last option, and I do not believe we have reached that point with regard to Iran. I support the Bush Administration's decision to abandon its hands-off approach to Iran and become more actively involved in efforts by European leaders to explore possible solutions to this difficult problem. In addition, U.S. decision makers must keep in mind that our Constitution requires Congressional approval of offensive military action. If the President reaches the conclusion that we should go to war with Iran or any other nation, he must seek and gain Congressional authorization before doing so."

by berith 2007-02-09 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Durbin on Iran

I find no evidence to support the requirement for Congressional approval for the enactment of a nuclear war plan already included in the OPLAN (former SIOP):  


If the President of the United States and the Secretary of Defense, acting jointly as the National Command Authority, decide the United States must launch nuclear weapons, they will direct the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) to do so, specifying Major Attack Options (MAOs) or Limited Attack Options (LAOs) that are in the OPLAN.


It is pretty clear that the 2006 revision of the OPLAN makes specific allowance for unexpected contingencies:

Unexpected contingencies are "sudden and unpredicted security challenges." This might include a "sudden regime change" when an existing nuclear arsenal transferred to the control of a hostile leadership or an adversary's sudden acquisition of WMD.


My understanding is that if the option is in the OPLAN the National Command Authority is empowered to authorise the attack, even in a preemptive scenario.  If this is not correct I would like to know otherwise.  The United States does not have a no first strike policy unlike India and China.  

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-11 04:01AM | 0 recs
Bush Jr does not need Congressional approval...

is the problems.

All the Democrats interviewed were talking about Bush Jr coming to Congress for another war resolution.

That's not how Bush Jr is going to start the Iran war.

He's simply going to mfg. some "attack on US forces" and bomb Iran in "retaliation" to "protect the troops".

At that point, Republicans might find enough scared Democrats to pass an Iran war authorization.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-09 12:37PM | 0 recs
Congressional approval

I agree with you on that matter, I do not believe Bush & Co., would  bother to seek congressional authorization, not in this political environment. As a constitutional matter, the question has never been authoritatively answered as to whether or not a president can out of the blue order a military strike, and to be honest, its almost a moot question, because if the president does order it, the military will carry it out, and congress would be left to pass resolutions (which would be vetoed) condeming his actions.

by bjschmid 2007-02-09 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: We Still Have Our Work Cut Out for Us on Iran

The Democrats proved to the public that they were very strong and serious about foreign policy in September of 2002, when they handed Bush a blank check for Iraq.

They were rewarded with resounding victories in November of that year.

Why not repeat a formula proven to be a winner?

by Master Jack 2007-02-09 12:38PM | 0 recs
Framing the Discussion

You say that voters rejected Republican foreign policy in '06.  I would say, and I think this is a distinction we need to make often and loudly, that voters rejected a hawkish foreign policy.  We need to constantly remind our Congress and our newsmedia that it is the subsance and not the branding of the policy that matters, not because they are a simple folk and easily distracted, but because the relative unimportance of labeling is a new phenomenon.

by Endymion 2007-02-09 01:01PM | 0 recs
Iran

My position on Iran has always been rather Hawkish; i believe they represent a serious threat to any chance of a long lasting middle east peace, not to mention a threat to our interests in the region, and I continue to believe that their possession of a nuclear weapon could lead to a covert attack against Israel or other western interests using such a weapon.

I do agree however, that military action against Iran right now is a bad idea; it would be foolish to think that Iran does not know the location of every major troop base of ours in Iraq, and so long as those troops are there, any attack against Iran would undoubtably lead to Iran retaliating against our troops in Iraq in mass. Not to mention, the though of allowing team bush to screw up another military engagement is almost enough to turn anyone into a pacifist.

I do wonder whether this saber rattling is a bluff being done to a.) soften up Iran when and if negoitations actually take place and b.) scare China/Russia, et.al., into taking a harder line on sanctions, which I do believe have a good chance at working, based on the economic reality on the ground presently in Iran.

by bjschmid 2007-02-09 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Iran

Well, if it is a bluff the effect has notably been to stampede our erstwhile allies in the Middle East, and some enemies too, into a flurry of diplomatic activity which, while inconclusive in outcome, has significantly eroded the place of the US as the prime geopolitical broker in international affairs in the region.

I am not suggesting that is a good or bad thing, necessarily, but it is a trend which directly impacts on US influence at a critical time.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-09 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: U.S. Congress fiddles, Iran attack advances

I find Tom Engelhardt's arguments in "Over the Cliff with George and Dick?" that the U.S. is going to attack Iraq within the year difficult to refute.

See: http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?e mx=x&pid=164164

He buttresses former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinki's warning on NPR last week that plans to attack Iran not only appear to be underway but that a "terrorist" attack in the U.S. may be used to justify the attack.

With Congress incapacited by its internal divisions, and the reported consensus that there is nothing that Congress could or would do to prevent an attack, I am increasingly persuaded by the argument that only the impeachment of Cheney could prevent such a scenario.

by Nancy Bordier 2007-02-09 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: U.S. Congress fiddles, Iran attack advances

Typographical correction to the above: delete "Iraq" in the first sentence and subsitute "Iran"

It should read:

I find Tom Engelhardt's arguments in "Over the Cliff with George and Dick?" that the U.S. is going to attack Iran within the year difficult to refute."

by Nancy Bordier 2007-02-09 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: We Still Have Our Work Cut Out for Us on Iran

the Democrats on the Hill say
they will not support such an invasion
(except for perhaps Hillary)
but what are they doing about it now?

after he invades there is little they can do,
and what if he does not land any troops
but merely bombs the place to smithereens?

then what will they do?

scold him?

by joe in oklahoma 2007-02-09 04:11PM | 0 recs
What can the Netroots do?

Foreign policy is always a big issue, and as long as Bush doesn't focus on anything else, it will be the issue.  So, what can we do to help counter Bush and what can we do to help develop a sensible liberal foreign policy?  

I realize that foreign policy is something that is often left to experts to figure out, and arguably that the American public does not vote based on foreign policy issues, but there has to be something we can do.  I would love to see the internet used effectively in developing a new foreign policy for the post-Bush United States.

Any ideas?

by Reece 2007-02-09 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: What can the Netroots do?

If we simply stopped doing everything we are doing and did everything we aren't doing we would still not be quite on the money but it would be a healthy start.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-09 04:23PM | 0 recs

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