Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netroots Zeitgeist

Quite a few candidates, especially on the Democratic side, are looking to tap into netroots support for their presidential campaigns. While most are trying to reach out, and while some are more popular than others, to date I think it is quite fair to say that so far no one has really struck online gold. Sure, there are developments such as large groups on social networking sites, or candidates such as Edwards and Richardson doing fairly well in terms on online fundraising. However, no one really has an online army yet--a large, and highly dedicated, group of supports ready to engage in all forms of activism on behalf of their favored candidate.

From my perspective, the reason for this is that no candidate has succeeded in defining, and then articulating, a major theme of the zeitgeist of the progressive activist base. To put this another way, no candidate has identified a recurring pattern of thought that expresses a wide range of the frustrations, hopes, and beliefs of the netroots or grassroots. This is a contrast to 2003, when I believe two candidates, Howard Dean and Wesley Clark, came to symbolize two different strains of the progressive activist zeitgeist. Howard Dean's campaign tapped into the extreme frustration many progressive activists felt at what they believed had become an extremely timid Democratic Party--one that was often complicit with some of the worst extremes of a rising conservative tide. At the same time, Wesley Clark best expressed the frustrations many activists felt at incompetent, unqualified Republicans running electoral roughshod over unelectable Democrats. Some candidates are closer than others to tapping into more contemporary progressive activist zeitgesit themes, but to date no one has achieved anywhere near the same level of success than Dean and Clark achieved. More on the flip.
The key for Dean and Clark is that they were never one-issue candidates for their supporters. It went much deeper than that. Look, for example, at Howard Dean's famous "What I want to know" speech from early 2003:
What I want to know is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting the President's unilateral intervention in Iraq?

What I want to know is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting tax cuts, which have bankrupted this country and given us the largest deficit in the history of the United States?

What I want to know is why the Congress is fighting over the Patient's Bill of Rights? The Patient's Bill of Rights is a good bill, but not one more person gets health insurance and it's not 5 cents cheaper.

What I want to know is why the Democrats in Congress aren't standing up for us, joining every other industrialized country on the face of the Earth in providing health insurance for every man, woman and child in America.

What I want to know is why so many folks in Congress are voting for the President's Education Bill-- "The No School Board Left Standing Bill"-- the largest unfunded mandate in the history of our educational system.(...)

I don't want to win without the South. I want to go to the South, and I'm going to say to white guys that drive pick-up trucks with Confederate flag decals on the back of their car, "We want your vote too, because your kids don't have health insurance either."(...)

I never had a conversation with myself about whether or not I would sign the bill because I knew that if I was willing to sell out the hopes and dreams of a significant portion of our people, then I had wasted my life in public service.(...)

The only way that we're going to beat George Bush is to say what we mean, to stand up for who we are, to lift up a Democratic agenda against the Republican agenda because if you do that, the Democratic agenda wins every time.(...)

I want my country back! We want our country back! I am tired of being divided I don't want to listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore!
Dean's success in this speech, which was instrumental in laying the groundwork for his future netroots support, was that he spoke to more than just activist frustrations over the impending Iraq war. Beyond that one issue, he identified an entire range of policy areas and electoral strategies where the activist base felt a profound sense of frustration with the Democratic leadership at the time: war, tax cuts, health care, education, narrow electoral targeting, selling out Democratic principles to try and win elections, not fighting back against extreme wingnuts, etc. It was the broad pattern of timidity in all of these areas to which Dean spoke, and against which he presented himself as a viable alternative. He had only presented himself as an alternative on one issue, Iraq, he would not have been nearly as successful in marshalling activist support. The key was to find and tap a deeper vein, a broad activist zeitgeist to which no other candidate was speaking at the time.

For Clark, it was a different vein and a different zeitgeist, but quite effective none the less. With sitting President who had failed at everything he had done, who was only a visible public figure because his father was President, who seemed to demonstrate his stupidity and ignorance at every turn, and who filled his administration largely with ideologues instead of competent public officials, Clark came to symbolize the exact opposite: competence and personal achievement. As the supreme commander of NATO forces who was educated at Oxford in economics, politics and philosophy, Clark was uber-qualified, intelligent to the point of intellectualism, proven at leading large operations, and a success based on his personal merits. Further, at a time when Democrats seemed unable to win any elections, Clark also was a southern candidate with huge military credibility--just oozing with electability. Remember that back then many people were saying that Republicans couldn't govern and Democrats couldn't win elections. Clark seemed to be the prefect response to both problems, and as such came to symbolize the a different, though equally important, theme in the activist zeitgeist.

If, in 2007-2008, one or more Democratic candidates succeeds in building an online following equivalent to Dean or Clark, they will need to replicate their success in identifying, articulating, and coming to symbolize a new activist zeitgeist. Success online isn't about technological bells and whistles on your website. It isn't about diaries, conference calls, and fancy parties for bloggers. It isn't about Blogads, or hiring the right Internet staff. It isn't simply about vociferous opposition to the Bush administration on one or more issues. Undoubtedly, all of these things are important, but mainly they are ways to cultivate an existing base of online support, or to trim around the edges of your potential supporters. Ultimately, massive netroots success of the sort experienced by Dean and Clark in 2003-2004 is about identifying, articulating, and coming to symbolize a broader, deeper, theme of the zeitgeist felt by a wide section of the online Democratic activist base. For Dean, that meant identifying to broad feelings of frustration toward frequent Democratic timidity, and demonstrating viable means of fighting back. For Clark, it was about qualifications, intelligence and electability when many felt Republicans lacked the former, and most everyone felt Democrats lacked the latter.

Of course, this is not the sort of advice most campaigns want to hear. First, it means that reaching out to the netroots and cultivating online support will require other campaign departments to supplement the Internet portion. Many campaigns view the interent portion of a campaign as something that should supplement fundraising, media and field, rather than the other way around. Second, it also requires campaigns to do something extremely difficult: identify popular sentiment without the aide of focus groups or polls. As I know all too well, solid, up to date polling information on what netroots activists want is difficult to come by. Third, it simply replicating the themes Clark and Dean used won't work, because the veins they tapped have either moved or become blurred over the past four years. After our 2006 election victories, the netroots are not nearly as frustrated by the Democratic leadership as we were in early 2003. Also, there is not as clear a divide in the Democratic Party over the main issue of the day, Iraq policy. Everyone and their cousin has a different plan for withdrawing troops from Iraq, and no matter how lame their plan or weaseling their public statements may be, everyone claims to want to withdraw the troops and that we should have never gone to war. Further, Bush's unpopularity, our increased caucus unity, and our ability to actually propose policy serve to muddy the policy waters even more on a variety of issues.

So, what are the major themes of progressive, activist thought in early 2007 that a candidate / campaign could become the symbol of? Since Gore is probably the best thought of potential candidate online, he is also a good place to look for an answer. I think his large following online comes from being a symbol of "what could have been" had the 2000 election not been stolen. His "defeat" started the downward spiral we have faced since the start of the Bush administration, and since that time his actions and speeches have taught us how much we lost because he never took office. Gore is thus ultimately a symbol of restoration, of wiping out the past six years, of potentially correcting--or at least repudiating--all of the injustices that occurred under the Bush administration in one, fell, electoral swoop. A Gore victory would be viewed by many as not unlike liberators returning local rule to a city or country that had been under foreign occupation for a number of years. It is interesting how Clinton seems unable to tap into this same feeling, probably because many activists see her as somehow complicit with the occupiers in a way that Gore is not.

Obama current online success presents another possibility. I have written before about how I think Obama, through his biography, mannerisms, and profile, taps into a Generation X, Creative Class desire to entire a new political era not dominated by the same divisions and debates we have faced for decades. Whereas Gore might be tapping into a deep desire for a restoration of what was lost under Bush, Obama might instead be tapping into a strong desire for something very new in American politics. As I wrote in mid-December:
I think Obama, simply in terms of his demeanor and his biography, strongly appeals to politicos from a new generation and a new socioeconomic class because he strikes them in some sort of gut, intuitive level as being from that class. Multi-ethnic, post-Vietnam, highly educated, raised in a major urban center--these are many of the cosmopolitan, self-creating, forward looking aspects of life for many younger professionals. As much as we may or may not like Bill Clinton, coming from a little town in Arkansas is not a story many Americans can relate to anymore, because we just didn't grow up that way. Even John Edwards's story of growing up in a mill town when the mill closed seems very, very rustic for a northeasterner such as myself, since our mills closed down sixty years ago to move to places like North Carolina. These rustic visions of America simply are not where people are at these days, especially news junkies and activists within the Democratic Party and the bluer parts of America. Those people instead look to places like Harlem, where Bill Clinton now keeps his offices. People moving into the gentrifying areas of Harlem probably like Barack Obama quite a bit, and probably feel some sort of gut-level, identity-based connection with him that they can't even quite put their finger on at this point.
From what I can tell, even though he has had a decent amount of online success so far, the main problem holding Obama back is that while he is the promise of a new era, much of his rhetoric on that front--vagaries like "the audacity of hope," and his use of left-wing strawmen--seems cliché and boilerplate. While he could solidify his position as a symbol for a new generation and socioeconomic class, he won't succeed unless he also uses a new kind of rhetoric. If you sound like pretty much every other politician, people are less likely to view you as a new kind of politician.

A third possibility is a growing sense among people online that our victories are not yielding results fast enough, and that the old pattern of Democratic timidity is slowly returning. Many people want to see more investigations into the past six years, legislation with a serious chance to end the war, less willingness to compromise with Republican minorities that gave use no quarter just a few months ago--they want to see more, and they want to see it now. It is both a call for justice over what has happened over the pat six years, and impatience with a strategy of gradual change in an era when people want a dramatic move away from Bush-ism. If there is a desire for restoration, and a desire to move beyond current political dynamics, I think there is also a desire to make sure that what happened over the past several years never happens again. This would have been Feingold's opening. While Edwards is doing the best job of filling that void, he is still nowhere near the level Feingold had / has achieved.

"Restoration,""new America," and "never again"--those seem to be the three main themes of the activist zeitgeist that campaigns have varying opportunities to tap into right now. To a lesser extent, there also might be a cautious optimism that, after a long era in the wilderness, we are once again slowly moving toward our electoral and legislative goals as a party. (This sentiment is probably much broader among "insider" Demcoratic activists than it is among the netroots and grassroots.) Also, "electability" is also still out there, although I do not sense it in the same palpable, raw way that it once permeated the Democratic ecosystem. (A little success, combined with shifting views on what "electability" actually means, can cause that sort of change.) There also might be themes out there that I am missing. After all, this is a very difficult thing to determine even if you spend virtually all of your time in the progressive netroots. The campaigns that dot he best job of identifying and articulating those themes will ultimately have the most success online, almost no matter how many bells and whistles they have on their websites, or no matter how much netroots outreach they conduct. Find a vein of the activist zeitgeist, and be willing to tap it. Above all else, that is the path toward netroots success for presidential candidates.

Tags: Howard Dean, netroots, President 2004, President 2008, Wesley Clark (all tags)

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38 Comments

No Obama Breakthrough Yet

Obama does indeed command that "gut level" respect, but unfortunately he's not absorbed Dean's idea: to take a freakin' stand on something.

He came closer recently with his Iraq War proposal in the Senate, but why not a binding resolution?

Let's see if he adapts and grows as a candidate over the next year.

by BBCWatcher 2007-02-04 12:24PM | 0 recs
will he grow a pair

people have been waiting for a while for Obama to come out for some things...

 universal health care by the end of his first term is a start.

but so far he's been to the right of about one-third of the democrats. on Iraq, Ted Kennedy, Feingold, Dodd, Vilsack, Edwards etc..

 My guess is he will be to the "right" of Edwards on healthcare.

 Just today on meet the press it appeared Edwards gays serving openly in the military.

Obama's expectations are unreasonable for anyone whether it's his greating speaking skills - which I'd say many were dissapointed at his DNC winter speach.

or ..  not supporting Ted Kennedy on Iraq.  He has progressive and speaking expectations that I don't think he'll meet.

contrast that to Hillary's speach at the DNC

by TarHeel 2007-02-04 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns

Shorter Chris Bowers: Stop being such pussies and sack up.  Campaign with strength, govern with nuance.  And for the love of God, stop coddling the most unpopular Administration since Nixon.  Oh, and if the Media bitches, tell them to kiss your ass.  Believe it or not, they'll fawn over you because you're "authentic".

by Jim Treglio 2007-02-04 12:41PM | 0 recs
It keeps coming back to that word:

Authentic

Speaking for myself - I want to see that they want the job for the right reasons;to gratify their ego better not be the number one reason they are running.

This goes for all candidates:

  • They need to be able to address the current situation clearly -domestically and our foreign policy- give their version of the State of our Union ( Webb did an excellent job at this)
  • They should be able to give one a sense of where their vision would take this nation
  • Do they want to involve people in the process - engage others, reach out to new people for energy and enthusiasm or "restore" a la Hillary Clinton, the same bunch as her husband and as the Bush family (the Republican inner circle) - almost a clique that governs. You can have a "retread" or buy new tires.

    I prefer new tires over a retread any day.

    The entire Republican Party can be classified as a retread on tired worn out tires from the 80's.

    Populism is the new tire this country hasn't bought in a long while - who among the Democatic candidates speaks to this?

  • by merbex 2007-02-04 03:15PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    I think 2004 was somewhat unique for the netroots because it was the first time technology was incorporated so directly into political campaigns in both parties. At that time only Dean and Clark made major efforts to appeal to the netroots. I have doubts that it will ever be repeated quite that way again in the future since it has  now become standard for all candidates to include it as a major part of their campaign.

    What I think we may see is there will be multiple candidates who will receive varying levels of netroots support but we will not see the netroots rally cohesively around a single candidate.
    There have been favorable posts on a number of sites about all of the potential 2008 Democratic candidates and many have attracted a lot of comments.    

    by robliberal 2007-02-04 12:43PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    But to what extent will someone like Hillary utilize the netroots?  Will she try to win without netroots support?  It seems that's the avenue she is going.

    by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-02-04 12:46PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    In 2004 Kerry and Edwards had very little netroots support compared to Dean and Clark. I recall there were many, many anti-Kerry diaries on various sites throughout the primaries. Kerry and Edwards had the money and the people on the ground and ended up as the ticket. I think every candidate will make an effort to appeal to the netroots to the extent possible but I think 2008 will be different with no single candidate getting the majority of the support.

    by robliberal 2007-02-04 12:54PM | 0 recs
    the question

    if neither Edwards nor Obama nor Clark has any shot by themselves is there any way to team up?

    by TarHeel 2007-02-04 03:33PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the ..

    It's very interesting.  It is obvious to me that HRC thinks that she can win despite the netroots.  Will she be proven right?  If she wins, it means the resurgence of the DLC.  If she loses, it means the end of the DLC.  Especially if she loses and the winner of the Dem nomination wins the Presidency.  What will the netroots do if she does win the nomination?  So many questions and so few answers.

    by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-02-04 12:45PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the ..

    One piece estimated the netroots consist of 1.6 million people which is less than 1% of adults. By contrast there are over 15 million union members, and unknown millions of other Democrats who are activists but not a member of any formal group.

    http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/s trategist/2006/07/how_influential_is_the _netroot.php

    If one candidate got every single person who is part of the netroots that does not mean they would get the nomination.

    by robliberal 2007-02-04 12:51PM | 0 recs
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    Interesting...

    Any up-to-date analysis? Especially after the incredible mobilization of volunteers and blogs during the 2006 Elections?

    Also, does anyone keep tabs on the popular progressive blog 'hit counters' is it still increasing, dropped off, or remained the same? Also, I've even heard rumors that the blogosphere was getting a reputation as an alternative news source.  A news source 'behind' the news, behind the MSM :)

    by SandThroughTheEyeGlass 2007-02-04 02:11PM | 0 recs
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    The idea that Obama has not taken a freakin' stand on something and Dean did is ludicrous.  The two of them took a stand against the war at a time when the two of them, although not in the Senate, had just as much or perhaps more to lose than any Senator since both of them were in the process of running for office - Dean for President, Obama for Senator.  Obama took a stand then, and what he said in that speech back in 2002 perfectly prediceted the mess we are in today.  He since backed that stand up with reinforcing stands in 2005, 2006, and now his recent proposal introduced in the Senate.  

    by dougdilg 2007-02-04 12:45PM | 0 recs
    Obama's Stands

    We're talking about 2007 I think. Which is why Obama's non-binding resolution is all the more puzzling with so much time passed after his 2004 comments.

    Here's an idea: how about leading public opinion and advocating something that doesn't "poll well" (according to the supposed expert pundits, anyway) -- or at least pick something "controversial"? For example, Edwards just spent this weekend talking about how gays ought to be able to serve openly in the military. Granted, 55% of the American public now agrees with him, so he's a little behind, and it is Superbowl Sunday when white male heterosexuals are least likely to be paying attention -- Edwards does get credit for smart politics :-) -- but it would've been nice for Obama to get in front of that issue.

    I have the same complaint about Hillary, by the way. Maybe it's a disease current senators have: they can't let a simple subject-verb-object declarative sentence escape their lips. Even Gore had this problem up to the 2000 election.

    by BBCWatcher 2007-02-04 06:19PM | 0 recs
    Find the Netroots Zeitgeist

    Inclusiveness. Just like Dean's winning 50-state strategy.

    by nonwhiteperson 2007-02-04 12:53PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    Not only should Democratic candidates find the "zeitgeist" of the progressive netroots but equally importantly all candidates from all parties should recognize and embrace the "zeitgeist" of the population as a whole.

    It has been spelled out loud and clear in the 2006 midterm elections and in public opinion polls too numerous to count. The two main ingredients are to stop Bush's war in Iraq and to pass universal single payer, ie government-paid, health care. Yet the disconnect between what voters want and what professional politicians are willing to enact in these two core areas and a multiplicity of others continues to make a mockery of our electoral system.

    Candidates are so beholden to their corporate-funded political parties and individual campaign contributors for the money they need to win office that they are unable to formulate platforms that resonate with the public on the core issues voters favor.

    They parse their public campaign messages to the voters so as to escape having to commit themselves to any concrete policies, at the same time that they are making private pledges to their corporate contributors. Once in office, they wheel and deal to carry out their corporate handlers wishes.

    As a result, the large majority of people trudge to the polls to vote for the least worst of the candidates. Personally, I continue to be unimpressed by any of the candidates on the Democratic side, and the more I hear their campaign utterances, the less impressed I am. (Needless to say, I was sorely disappointed to see John Edwards get led down the garden path by Democratic centrists and, presumably, Democratic campaign gurus, on the subject of Iran, Bush and Cheney's next target.)

    In 2003, Howard Dean captured the spirit of his time and did not mince words articulating it. But he got shot down in Iowa by his own political party and Democratic brethern. John Kerry seemed to have the right instincts but was hamstrung by Democratic centrism and couldn't frame the issues into workable policies that resonated with enough voters to best the Republican GOTV machine.

    Al Gore in 2000 started out with a resonant message but apparently got talked out of it by centrist Democrats and political operatives. Now that he and we have suffered but survived the Republican theft of his presidency and Howard Dean has moved the Democratic Party organization back into the mainstream with his 50 state strategy, were Gore to run in 2008, we might actually get a candidate capable of capturing the zeitgeist of the country.

    by Nancy Bordier 2007-02-04 01:34PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    I don't think it's Iraq and healthcare: those are givens, and at this point they're not gonna trigger a netroots avalance.

    This is, I think, what would do the trick: vowing to undermine the conservative infrastructure and build the progressive one. I want our next president to plant the seeds of a generational shift, of a new era in American politics that is all about aggressive, muscular, unapologetic progressivism and absolutely unlike Obama's 'rising above partisan divides.'

    I will support whichever candidate I can trust to start a gunfight the moment he or she sees the other side carrying a knife.

    by BingoL 2007-02-04 02:43PM | 0 recs
    Another Idea: Railing Against the Media

    Obama was onto something shutting Fox News out, but he didn't do what Dean would do: keep pushing the story. ("Yeah, I'm keeping Fox News out of my campaign events, and I'm not going to talk to them unless they acquire some journalistic integrity. It's purely a right wing propaganda channel, and they can't get even basic facts correct. I'd much rather talk with the National Enquirer. In fact, I'll book an interview with that newspaper today.") In other words, don't shy away from the fact: shout about it!

    Why not extend that idea into policy? Talk about the disgusting and reprehensible behavior of the press in not doing their jobs. Then pivot into specific policies.

    How about devoting some of the proceeds from that valuable broadcast spectrum (analog TV) that's about to be auctioned off to an untouchable endowment for a properly funded "American BBC"? Restoration of the Fairness Doctrine? Free airtime (on satellite, cable, and over-the-air, plus free and subscriber radio) for qualified (polling 5%+) political candidates? And (in a sop to conservatives) a requirement that cable and satellite providers offer a la carte channel pricing instead of artificially inflated bundles? Ban local cable franchise monopolies, too. And limit copyright to 70 years or the life of the author-plus-5, whichever comes first. (Thanks, Disney. Mickey's time is up.) Net neutrality, too. A sort of "Netroots Bill of Rights," basically, unofficially.

    by BBCWatcher 2007-02-04 06:31PM | 0 recs
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    i think gore or feingold could do it...

    what they have in common, beyond the fact that both of them seem willing to get pissed about the things that matter to me, it is that they are willing to get out in FRONT and attempt not just to lead, but to participate in movement building actions - even when they stand virtually alone. by this i mean, in part, that they appear to be taking the long view - they don't measure their actions on what can be achieved today, but also how their actions can contribute to what our future will be.

    a couple of examples (and their are many) are feingold's vote against the patriot act and his continued and persistent fight in defense of every person's rights and for gore it's  the more than thousand talks he's given on global warming - before there was a movie and when it earned him only ridicule.

    beyond even that, there is one more characteristic that attracts me... and that is the way they talk about democracy and "the people". as though they think we (and everyone else) all have the right and responsiblity to participate in our collective decisions... not engaging in demagoguery, but by dialogue and education. many politicians engage in demagoguery or give the impression that we, the people, should just trust them as our betters to understand what we can not.

    gore and feingold seem quite willing to argue their points and try to educate their audience - but they are willing to be educated themselves and learn from their own experience (this is particulary true of gore). i much prefer intelligence, effort and humility above stupidity, ignorance and hubris.

    btw - stiglitz's speaches appeal to me in many of the same ways as gore's and feingold's. i wonder if other people have similar responses to stiglitz?

    by selise 2007-02-04 01:55PM | 0 recs
    Uh, what "netroots"? Which?

    There is a simple reason why no one is going to be the "netroots" candidate. There is no "netroots".

    Look, lets face facts. That whole meme developed from the Dean campaign, which was a one time only event, in a much smaller universe of people. My Kos ID is 277. The whole crowd that appeared was a first time congealing of a smaller clump of people.

    Due to that success, more and more people have migrated to the net for politics...and more people means more viewpoints. Differing viewpoints. In other words, the larger the number of people the more influwence, but the more they disagree and can't come to a uniform position.

    Really, once Iraq goes away, what are any of these folks going to agree on? Environment? Yeah, try and write something about that which would actually be effective...the whiner and troll rates will kick in from the 'burbanites declaring their SUV isn't the problem. Universal Health care? Yep, until someone sees that their health care will be reduced to expand it for others.

    The reality is that is already happening. These folks won't find a zeitgeist because there isn't one. As the medium matures, there will be numerous ones, just like in every other case.

    Seriously Chris, you should know that. You're the one who posted a while back about losing touch with the activist community. The fact is a lot of us are, even if we aren't professionally in the game. I know most of the old Dean organizers from my area either went pro, or are walking away in disgust as the perma-activists drag the remainder to the left and protest march land.

    by ElitistJohn 2007-02-04 02:26PM | 0 recs
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    The originals are still the best Chris.  If you don't think that Clark's netroots support is alive, ORGANIZED, and populous, you are perhaps paying too much attention to some bloggers who moved on looking for a greener pastures. But a whole lot of Draft Clark 04 people are still right there with him same as we ever were, and I know multiple scores who have signed on since the 2004 campaign. Clark's netroots supporters now have the intricate bonds and strength of an organic web, one that has grown naturally more interwoven over years.  And like our candidate, we approach 2008 with much more experience under our belts.

    I fully understand that 2008 is not 2004 and all the sundry implications of that, but Wes Clark is still every bit the leader who ran in 2004, and then some. Clark doubled his adult years spent living as a civilian since he last ran, Clark is  tuned in more now to the full range of issues facing America than he was in 2004, and in 2004 he was plenty tuned in to begin with.

    And Wes Clark made a whole lot of friends during his time barnstorming for Democrats all across the nation in the lead up to last November's elections. His strong stand for Ned Lamont is still being talked about in progressive circles online, and the work Clark has been doing for years now to back America away from the brink of armed conflict with Iran is increasingly starting to be openly acknowledged and appreciated by the progressive netroots. Iran isn't going anywhere, and neither is the Bush regime's desire to attack it.  The netroots are looking for leadership in opposing that War, and finding it in Wes Clark.

    The most important thing is, and what so many are now seemingly forgetting, is that Wes Clark has not campaigned for himself in three years, though he has campaigned for individual Democrats and the Democratic Party a great deal in that time.  He hasn't had the chance to present his full progressive agenda for America since he ended his last campaign, but soon he will.

    Instead Wes Clark, who has no government paycheck or government funded staff to fall back on, has had to earn his own living while working tirelessly to stop the entire Middle East from blowing up in the world's face.  Clark was a guy who behind the scenes influenced the Iraq Study Group Report, Clark is a guy who has maintained extensive personal contact with middle eastern players from every perspective.  You could say he's been a little distracted and hasn't been tooting his own horn as much as he's tried to grow the Democratic Party and give support to our Congressional leadership.

    When Wes Clark enters the race that all changes.  He will be talking about the Labor movement, single payer health insurance, lobal warming, progressive tax plans, raising up those who have been left behind by the corporate greed driven economy that we now find ourselves in, and much more. And Clark's large and active netroots legions will help him get his message out, you can take my word on that. We are more than ready.

    There are no Clark hybridroots activists.  There are no paid bloggers and staffers swarming around the net cheerleading for him.  It's just us, the real netroots, who you find spread around the net, supporting Wes Clark in 2008.

    by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-04 02:32PM | 0 recs
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    Clark's biggest problem in 2004 was the inability of the campaign to integrate the Draft movement into the campaign. By the end of the Campaign there was a full blown civil-war in a number of states between the connected party operatives and it wasn't just comming in late. Clark already has a campaign going since June of 2003 but they were incapable to figure out how to incoroporate what was already there into the structure and more or less destroyed it.  

    by orin76 2007-02-04 03:25PM | 0 recs
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    that should have been between the coneccted party operative and the people that had been involved in the Draft movement who had all the volunteers list.

    by orin76 2007-02-04 03:26PM | 0 recs
    Re: Find the Netroots Zeitgeist

    A lot of truth in that, but Clark himself long ago tipped the balence stronger toward the netroots side of that tug of war since then, and it's been a very active three years.  

    Clark made an understandable assumption at the start of his first run for President.  He knew he had never engaged in partisan electoral politics before. He knew a run for President is as big league as it gets, and he know couldn't enter the fray in September with a brand new staff of professionals that he didn't know well, and expect to be able to competently second guess their advice about politics while he was busy campaigning constantly himself, not without a prior frame of reference which he lacked.  Clark doesn't lack that any longer.

    When asked a couple of months ago what he would do differently if he ran again, Clark answered; "virtually everything". I was active for Clark in 2003/2004, having joined the Draft in it's final weeks, though I wasn't part of the inside game then.  A lot of sweat and tears have gone into knitting a closer working relationship between Clark's core grassroots supporters and his PAC since then.  I know that from first hand experience.  

    Wes Clark learned the correct lessons from what you describe having happened in 2003/2004.  He put those lessons into practice and now we are ready for round two.

    by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-04 03:40PM | 0 recs
    Re: Find the Netroots Zeitgeist

    I was one of the volunteer coordinators for him in Pennsylvania in 2003/2004. I really doubt alot of the people who went thru that are even in politics anymore

    by orin76 2007-02-04 05:42PM | 0 recs
    Re: Find the Netroots Zeitgeist

    No doubt you are right about some, but many who became deeply involved in the 2004 race weren't involved at all one year out from the first 2004 Primaries. Energy builds as the election approaches and some new leaders will emerge and som old ones will return and a solid base remains from 2004, with a whole lot of experience gained from last time around.

    by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-05 03:54AM | 0 recs
    Hmm...dontcha think Obama just did that?

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) today held his first political rally since announcing he would explore a presidential candidacy, appealing for support from young voters in an address to thousands of students who had mobilized and prepared for the event online.

    You get the feeling that the main stream media...err...bloggers are getting bypassed by the new netroots and are getting a bit snarky about it.

    Edwards buys some blog cheerleaders. $100K

    Obama has a couple hundred thousand college kids on Facebook organize a rally for him in red state turning blue state VA. Priceless.

    by BrionLutz 2007-02-04 03:02PM | 0 recs
    Obama

    I see Obama as the only candidate that can beat Hillary in the primaries. He has the background, and truckloads of charisma and likeability.

    He lacks one thing: bold concrete visions and partisanship. If he can start sounding a little more like Howard Dean the primaries will be over and Obama will be the clear winner. Hillary wouldn't stand a chance.

    Obama staff, please take notes.

    by Populism2008 2007-02-04 03:11PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr
    Populism2008,  I think he put everyone on notice Friday.
    I feel his speech was addressing his critics.  And he is not going to take any prisoners.
    Listen to it again online at DNC.com and see what you think.
    I do get tired of lack of experience when he spent 8 years in the state senate.  The combined state and US senate puts his experience past that of Edwards and Clinton.
    I also think he gets back at people in different ways.  He hit FOX last week and Roger Ailes was on the phone twice to his office begging for access.
    He purposely sat in front of Hillary at the SOTUS.
    He is different from the usual ways of doing things.  Observe.
    by vwcat 2007-02-04 03:28PM | 0 recs
    What Gore stands for:

    I'm not sure Gore stands for 'restoration'. I think he's more the 'what-might-have-been' candidate. He's the candidate of everybody who just wants to pretend the years since 2000 can be turned back. Hillary is the 'restoration' candidate, which I think is why she has problems. Clinton's presidency is fondly remembered, but amongst the netroots it's also remembered that whilst Democrats kept the White House for eight years, there was no infrastructure built and there was not a great leap forward, only an attempt to hold the reactionaries in check.

    Most of the netroots won't settle for that now, and Hillary doesn't have the charisma and pure likeability of her husband to make them settle down.

    by Englishlefty 2007-02-04 03:42PM | 0 recs
    Re: What Gore stands for:

    People are also pissed at Clinton because while he was very popular .. it never transferred to gains in the Senate or House ... that's one of the biggest black marks on Clinton's legacy

    by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-02-04 05:42PM | 0 recs
    About Al Gore

    Gore is the most forward-thinking politician -- the term politician even doesn't fit -- we've had in a long, long time.

    He "got" the Internet a decade before anyone else could spell it (including 99+% of mydd.com readers). And he's doing the same thing with global climate change. He's an amazing visionary.

    by BBCWatcher 2007-02-04 06:35PM | 0 recs
    I respectfully submit the name Richardson

    I was struck by much of what yo usaid about Clark, because it rings a bell...

    "With sitting President who had failed at everything he had done..."
    Still true.

    "Clark came to symbolize the exact opposite: competence and personal achievement...Clark was uber-qualified, intelligent to the point of intellectualism, proven at leading large operations, and a success based on his personal merits. Further, at a time when Democrats seemed unable to win any elections, Clark also was a southern candidate with huge military credibility--just oozing with electability..."

    Not a perfect fit, granted.  Richardson hasn't struck me much as an intellectual.  He has done well governing New Mexico, and has personally thrashed every Republican who's run against him, while also having the chutzpah and skill to bring a truce to the Sudan.  How sad is it that the governor of New Mexico has thus far had a more successful foreign policy than the flippin president?

    Richardson isn't southern, true, but is from the southwest, where we have a chance to win some states.

    by ogondai 2007-02-04 06:27PM | 0 recs
    Richardson - Clark w/o the uniform?

    I was struck by much of what yo usaid about Clark, because it rings a bell...

    "With sitting President who had failed at everything he had done..."
    Still true.

    "Clark came to symbolize the exact opposite: competence and personal achievement...Clark was uber-qualified, intelligent to the point of intellectualism, proven at leading large operations, and a success based on his personal merits. Further, at a time when Democrats seemed unable to win any elections, Clark also was a southern candidate with huge military credibility--just oozing with electability..."

    Not a perfect fit, granted.  Richardson hasn't struck me much as an intellectual.  He has done well governing New Mexico, and has personally thrashed every Republican who's run against him, while also having the chutzpah and skill to bring a truce to the Sudan.  How sad is it that the governor of New Mexico has thus far had a more successful foreign policy than the flippin president?

    Richardson isn't southern, true, but is from the southwest, where we have a chance to win some states.

    by ogondai 2007-02-04 06:28PM | 0 recs
    The Next Generation and Obama

    I think you're right that Obama is a child of the new generation and what is to come.

    But, despite his beautiful rhetorical skills, it isn't clear whether he is actually a leader of that generation.

    The new generation is one that thrives on loyalty and likeability, as I see it.  So far I'm seeing in Obama someone more anxious to be liked by his opponents than to lead his supporters.

    by catherineD 2007-02-04 08:07PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    Maybe I should have said this before, but the problem with overrating Obama as an urban, youngish, "creative class" candidate is that that constituency is not actually that much of the population. This  is a suburban and ex-urban country. Not only that, but urban voters are concentrated by definition, and the "creative cities" are mostly in big states - both of which factors dillute the significance of this demographic. Now, there is a sliver of this demographic that is creative in ways specifically useful to campaigns, and they can have impact well beyond their numbers. But if Obama's appeal is mainly to "creative" yuppies and, one imagines, blacks, he's not getting further than where he is now. That said, I think this is a minor aspect of his appeal, so  I  don't think this really limits him.

    by bento 2007-02-04 10:16PM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    I've agreed before that Obama's two core constituencies are the creative class, and, we presume, blacks.  In addition to all the correct things you said, it's also interesting that those constituencies are basically absent in the primary states.  Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Carolina... out of all four states, the only place those constituencies exist is South Carolina, where there is a black vote.  Iowa and New Hampshire are 100% white, and none of those four states hosts even one real creative-class city.  The California and Illinois primaries being moved to Feb 5th presumably opens a window for Obama, and I agree that his appeal also extends (potentially) well beyond these two groups.  But it's also interesting that his creative class constituency will be utterly unable to deliver votes to Obama in any of those primaries.

    by texas dem 2007-02-05 12:59AM | 0 recs
    Zeitgeist netroots finds Obama

    would be the actual headline.  Zeitgeists tend to find you vs. you finding them ;)

    The 200,000 online Facebook college kids, organize an Obama rally and Obama shows up to talk to them and acknowledge them.

    Sounds like Dean all over again with the Meetup.

    Looks like Obama is encouraging the "zeitgeist" as Trippi did with Meetup and Dean.

    by BrionLutz 2007-02-05 03:43AM | 0 recs
    Re: Advice for Democratic Campaigns: Find the Netr

    Chris,

    I'll remind you that the "What I wanna know" speech was first delivered at the 2003 DNC Winter Meeting.

    The feeling at the time - from that speech was just incredible.  I was a Deaniac then - and on the blogosphere too.  Perhaps that's why I was so disappointed by the speeches at the equivalent meeting for the 2008 election.

    by DWCG 2007-02-06 12:30AM | 0 recs

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