AP - Dems Back Off Opposing Iraq War

There's some dispute over whether the AP story is accurate, but if it is, then it adds weight to what I wrote a few weeks ago that 'Democratic leaders are not serious about' ending the war. Stay tuned - Matt

The Associated Press today tells the story of how Democrats in Washington clearly do not want to end the Iraq War. This story includes all of the tell-tale signs of both a party that disdains the will of voters and a media unwilling to report even the most basic facts: Nancy Pelosi reading Fox News talking points that claim conditioning funding on American troops' training is supposedly not supporting our troops; Harry Reid nonchalantly saying in the face of mounting casualties that there's no real urgency to do anything on the war because "Iraq is going to be there"; and the AP writer refusing to acknowledge consistent public opinion polls by CNN and the Washington Post that show the public strongly supports Congress cutting off funding for Bush's military escalation and conditioning funding on adequate troop training, respectively.  

Make no mistake about it: The renewed refusal by Democrats to use their majority in even the most basic way to stop the war is a declaration that the new majority is not close to using even the most basic powers afforded to it to stop or slow down the war. In other words, in backing off, the Democrats have just weeks after the 2006 anti-war election mandate effectively declared themselves as supportive of the Bush administration's stay-the-course policy - a truly sickening act of cowardice.

This is all the more reason for folks to head over to the Progressive States Network's Anti-Iraq Escalation Campaign and use our website to demand your state legislature tell Congress that its behavior on Iraq is absolutely unacceptable. Clearly, the folks in Washington are so drunk off power they have decided to ignore the majority of Americans who want an end to the madness in Iraq. They need to hear from our states - and they need to hear from our states right now.

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Update (Chris): I hate moving into other people's posts, but I feel compelled to jump into this discussion before it goes any further. First, the article never actually quotes Pelosi saying anything against Murtha's plan--it just claims she said that. Attacking her because of words a reporter put into her mouth is unfair, especially considering how often it happens to Democrats. All indications are that Pelosi still backs Murtha 100%.

Second, in the Senate, this isn't an end to the bill that would rewrite Bush's authority, it just decouples it from a different bill about 9/11. Now, not only will the 9/11 bill pass, but did we really want to couple Iraq with 9/11? Connecting Iraq and 9/11 is a wingnut argument anyway. The rewriting of the AUMF is still coming up, just a little bit later. Complain about the delay if you want, but when one considers that Bush has all of the funding he needs to conduct the war until September 30th, 2007, a few weeks does not in fact make any difference.

Yes, the war is the most pressing issue we face, and yes there are Democrats who are not on board that we need to pressure. However, this is a crap article that is utterly unfair to the Democratic leadership that is in fact still pursuing plans to end the war as vigorously as ever. Both the House gradual draw down plan and the Senate rewriting of the AUMF are still in place, and will come up for votes within the next month. Frankly, I would have thought that once we were in power we would not have turned off our bullshit detectors when it came to the obligatory "Democrats divided" articles are regularly coughed up from places like the AP. Attack any Democrat who prevents this war from ending, but do so with fair attacks.

Anyway, I'm going to cut off this episode of point-counterpoint right here, because I am sick and should be in bed sleeping. I just wanted to make sure a different perspective was presented along with this post.

Tags: Harry Reid, Iraq, Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi (all tags)

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17 Comments

Here's what Reid actually said

""Iraq is going to be there -- it's just a question of when we get back to it," Reid said, predicting it would be "days, not weeks" before the Senate returned to the issue. The war reauthorization legislation also appears to lack the 60 votes it would need to pass the Senate."

The whole days not weeks part is sort of important.  As is the fact that Reid is trying to put together 60 votes to get something done, which is actually NOT the easiest thing in the world to do.  

I'm against this war.  I've been against it from the start.  I want it ended YESTERDAY.  But I am nonetheless baffled when other progressives assume that b/c that hasn't happened yet the Democratic leadership has somehow betrayed them.  Believe it or not, shutting down the war isn't simple -- politically or legislatively.  God knows we can't afford to wait any longer than is necessary to get out, but I'm not going to pretend that Nancy Pelosi or Harry reid have somehow "failed" b/c they haven't been able to reverse 7 years of damage in a matter of months, while working with a fragile majority.

by HSTruman 2007-02-26 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's what Reid actually said

I think that's a fair point, but here's the thing.  Somehow we have been deluded into thinking that a nonbinding resolution against an escalation that wasn't even in the cards before our victory is significant.  Bush not only neutralized our mandate, he reversed it.  And we're cool with that?

by Matt Stoller 2007-02-26 06:29PM | 0 recs
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If the Democratic leaders will not do the will of the people, we must make it clear to them that we will take from them their power.  Better to have a Republican majority subverting the will of the people than a Democratic majority who refuses to keep the promises on which they were elected.  We MUST hold our elected officials accountable. If they don't wish to work for US, they must be removed.  

We cannot let cowardly, fearful Democratic "leaders" claim ownership of the disasterous policies and actions of Bush and the Republicans simply because they are afraid to lead.

by Elmo Buzz 2007-02-26 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: AP - Dems Back Off Opposing Iraq War

There's a great line from Clockwork Orange, where the activist is talking on the phone with his buddy and explaining why he was going to use the lead character as an example to the world...

I wish I could remember it fully, but it goes something like this:

People will gladly give up their freedoms and liberties for safety and security... that is why they must be prodded... PRODDED, I tell you!!!

It is our job to keep prodding our leaders.

Thanks,

Mike

by lordmikethegreat 2007-02-26 06:35PM | 0 recs
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I'm confused... WHO, I mean which congress critters has come out and said NO to Murtha...?  Has the whole of the Blue Democrats come out e.g...  Apparently there are Jay Inslee, a DLC'er was FOR Murtha... so I would like a little bit more of a breakdown - if possible?

Is this negativity on the bill coming out from discussions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, and only coming out to us - that they haven't got the votes...?

Plus, where do our newbies stand?

by SandThroughTheEyeGlass 2007-02-26 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: AP - Dems Back Off Opposing Iraq War

I'm still would like a reply on this = please??

Who within the Democratic caucus is NOT committed to finding a way to exit IRAQ?

by SandThroughTheEyeGlass 2007-02-26 09:31PM | 0 recs
I would

guess the answer is "none". There certainly is no such evidence anywhere in that bullshit AP article.

But you know, it allows the media to continue with the long and proud tradition of fabricated "Democrats are divided" hit-pieces. And it certainly is a convenient vehicle for Sirota to write another "Democrats are corrupt wimps" story.

by taylormattd 2007-02-27 06:24AM | 0 recs
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In the 109th Congress, Senator Frist was always willing to invoke the "nuclear" option.  Perhaps, this is the Democratic opportunity to revisit the nuclear option or for breaking the filibuster.  And if the war is not that opportunity, I don't know what is.

In any event, passing a legislation to end the war, would have to survive a presidential veto, and Reid, despite some criticism heaped on him, remains a viable candidate to create a veto-proof Senate.

And if Reid is not successful, the elections of 2008, is just around the corner and access to the White House, will be the Democrats' best "opportunity" of all.

by Jaango 2007-02-26 07:22PM | 0 recs
Filibuster of legislation vs. confirmations

With such a narrow majority in the Senate, setting the precedent of breaking a filibuster on legislation may very well come back to bite the Democrats in the ass. It becomes a more viable option if the Dems have 56-57 seats after 2008.

by OfficeOfLife 2007-02-26 11:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Filibuster of legislation vs. confirmations

With 56-57 seats in the senate, the nuclear option isn't necessary, as you can always find three or four senators with difficult re-election battles.

Is there anything in the senate rules that would forbid doing away with the filibuster and putting it back in in a lame duck session?

by Englishlefty 2007-02-27 04:12AM | 0 recs
Even Frist didn't kill the filibuster

If the Democrats kill it this session, the GOP will do the same next time they control the chamber. The Senate will become exactly like the House, where the minority party has no power and is nothing more than window dressing. Remember how miserable that was for us for the past 12 years? Have we forgotten the events of oh, 3 months ago? The very hubris of suggesting this with such a narrow margin (hanging on Joe freakin' Lieberman and a Senator currently in rehabilitation) is pretty appalling.

by OfficeOfLife 2007-02-27 01:07PM | 0 recs
Told ya Bush and Dems have tacit agreement

Bush gets to screw up Iraq and in return the Dems won't face endless vetoes.

by jcjcjc 2007-02-27 03:47AM | 0 recs
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this is why the Democrats, just like the republicans, arent to be trusted.  Iraq's the most pressing issue.  There should be no talk of anything else other than ending the war.  Healthcare and lower rates on student loans is nice....but I'm having a hard time bitching about student loans where there are bombs killing about 100 on a daily basis in the streets of bagdah.  Thus far, what I've seen from the democratic congress is that they're ALL talk with not action.  This has been by far, the most corrupt administration in the history of this country and yet, bringing accountability (in the form of impeachment) is still NOT AN OPTION.  What's going on? And why do I feel duped

by AnthonyMason 2007-02-27 05:21AM | 0 recs
I dunno, why do you feel duped?

And is it my problem that you do?

I know politics take time and moves slowly.  Most people do.  Who forgot to tell you?

by Teaser 2007-02-27 06:07AM | 0 recs
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   The Democrats are not stopping the war for two reasons, I think.

   Reason One is they believe that the war is the Republican's albatross, and that as long as it is going and they say Iraq is Bush's War, then they can win big in 2008 and beyond. They believe that leaving Iraq helps get Bush CO. off the hook.

    Reason Two is that they don't buy the polling, and that the American public will get their ass if they try to end the war. It would also provide an opening for the Republicans, who would be able to tar the Democrats as traitors, and move the public against them.

    Frankly, I don't know what to make of it. I think the public is very fickle and ill informed. As such, I think they will blame the Democrats on the Iraq War, just as they did the Republicans, so its a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of agenda. I also believe that the American public would buy into the Republican mantra of Democrats being traitors if we leave. That said, since the Democrats are defintely going to lose public support to the Republicans no matter what, I think they should do the moral thing and end the war, since they will take a hit one way or the other (I am not saying they will become the minority in either chamber necessarily).

by liberal2012 2007-02-27 07:03AM | 0 recs
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This is war! we shouldnt be playing political games with it.  I'd respect the democrats even more if they did the right thing which at this point can be summed up in two points: 1-end the war and 2-impeach bush.  Do they not understand that they can keep saying how this is Bush's war and blah blah, but every time they vote Yea on funding the war becomes theirs too.  I havent forgotten that the democrats controlled the senate when Bush sought the authorization to go to war (John Edwards co-sponsored)! So in that sense, the lack of courage they displayed in 02 makes them co-signers of the war.  

It's time for action.  If you disagree then get out of the way and stop telling people one thing and then once elected do another.

by AnthonyMason 2007-02-27 12:17PM | 0 recs
Did the Democrats EVER promise impeachment? NO!

"How dare they not fulfill their promise and impeach Bush!"

Too bad they NEVER campaigned or gave any serious consideration to impeachment. The only talk about it was the constant ranting by the netroots.

by OfficeOfLife 2007-02-27 01:12PM | 0 recs

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