Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Over the past week, several new national primary polls have been released. Here are the ones for Demcorats:

Latest National Polls
CandidateMarist, 2/15Rasmussen, 2/15Gallup, 2/11Siena, 2/9Rasmussen, 2/8
Clinton3728404528
Obama1724211223
Edwards1111131013
Gore111110108
Others7??84??
Undecided17??320??

These polls are interesting. However, they are also deeply flawed. In the hopes of finding better public polling for the 2008 primary season, I want to make a few small requests to the news organizations commissioning the polls, and to the firms conducting the polls:
  1. Stop pushing undecideds to make up their minds. I am looking in your direction, Gallup. To produce a poll that shows only 3% of the Democratic electorate as undecided at this point is obviously absurd to the point of shameful. Support for all candidates right now is extremely soft, and as such there should be no attempts whatsoever to force the people who respond to your poll to choose a candidate at this time. If you want to provide an accurate snapshot of current public opinion, you simply can't push undecideds at this point.
  2. Include all candidates who are running. I am looking at you, Survey USA and Siena. Leaving announced candidates out of your questions is basically an in-kind contribution to the candidates you included in the poll. Why should some candidates, and not others, receive free polling information? This also distorts public opinion, in that voters will see all names on the ballot when they go to vote, and in that it artificially inflates the results for the candidates who are included in the polls. This is really bad stuff.
  3. Stop including candidates who have not yet declared they are running. Virtually everyone is guilty of this. Another major way to distort public opinion at this time is to lit several candidates who have not yet declared they are running as options in your polls. Right now, everyone is including Clark and Gore, and some polls are including Sharpton. Not only does this distort public opinion because it offers voters choices they do not have, it is not fair to the candidates who are running because it artificially deflates their results. When other candidates declare, then add them. Until that time, stick only to announced candidates.
  4. Conduct at least as many polls of early states as you conduct nationally. There is no "national primary," so polling it is of questionable value. Further, even though over a fifteen states, including several large states, are lining up for primaries or caucuses on February 5th, we all know that candidate support in states after Iowa and New Hampshire will be heavily influenced by election results in Iowa and New Hampshire. Thus, polls of Iowa and New Hampshire, which are no more expensive than national polls, are actually more useful and interesting at this time. So, please, slow down on the national polls, and give us more insight into the early states.
  5. Give us favorable ratings and name recognition numbers, too. Trial heats are both fun and interesting. However, it is useful to know candidate potential, not just current candidate standing. Without favorable / unfavorable numbers, as well as name recognition numbers, it is very difficult to know what polls this far out actually mean. Providing these two metrics would give your polls a lot more context, thus making them all that much more meaningful.
  6. More bells and whistles. I recognize that this request might exceed the budgets of a few polls, but it would also be great to include metrics such as second choices, likely voter methodology, and the strength of candidate support. While expensive, all of this would provide us with a deeper picture of the campaign. Also, personally I would rather have fewer, high quality polls than more, low-quality ones.
There is great potential for informative, quality polling in the 2007-2008 cycle. I think it would be best if we addressed ways it current polling could be improved now, so as to avoid annoying fights over polling methodology as we near election time. Further, producing polls we can all trust would be a tremendous public service, not to mention improve the reputation of the organizations who produce and publish them.

Tags: Democrats, polls, President 2008, Primary Elections (all tags)

Comments

22 Comments

I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles...

Since I didn't believe that I signed a NDA... I can say that Marist does a pretty decent amount of 'extra' polling questions ala too liberal, too conservative, just right...

To give an accurate the correct 'balance' to my endorsement of my college's polling institute... I have major qualms with their wording of some of the questions -- by giving the caller significant 'biased' information about a candidate, even if factual, might be in bad taste.

Calling Rudi a 'pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay rights Republican.' and then asking if those views are things that would change their support in Rudi... I have to comment that people don't understand the wording or that these are his views.

From inside a polling institute it is very interesting the wording they use and stuff... i just wish i knew what they were trying for.

Anyway here is a (super secret!) link to the Marist Poll data:
http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/usapoll s/CP070219.htm

-- MrMacMan

by MrMacMan 2007-02-20 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles...
Thanks for the link. And by the way, I actually thought the Marist poll was quite good, except that it included too many unannounced candidates. Lots of fun bells and whistles, that is for sure.
by Chris Bowers 2007-02-20 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles...

I liked that the Marist Poll included the "is this candidate someone you'd at least consider" question, which I've begged for previously.  Blogged it over in the orange place; not good for Gore.

by Adam B 2007-02-20 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sure some polls have bells and whistles...

Gore's numbers improved in the Gallup poll:

Al Gore
        Favorable     Unfavorable     No opinion
2007 Feb 9-11     52     45     3
2006 Jun 23-25     48     45     8

and for the primary question, he went up from 11 to 14%.

Both are signs of improvement.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-02-21 07:30AM | 0 recs
Chris, that's 14 for Gore in Gallup poll

I think he is polling just a tad better than Edwards, nationally.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-02-21 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

John Edwards will win Iowa, Nevada,New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Hillary and Obama will do poorly in the debates.

That is my prediction.

by Djneedle83 2007-02-20 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Are we supposed to believe that Edwards will be the candidate in 2008? His lame speches about poverty are getting old and lame. He actually lost twice- once in the prmary and then in the general. I've seen more than enough of John Edwards. ABE- Anyone But Edwards. (Any first teir candidate that is)

by bsavage 2007-02-20 01:47PM | 0 recs
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Once Rasmussen stops nationally polling Gore the 11% he has been recieving on average will primarly be split in 3 ways.

Approximately 40% (4.4-5.0)will go to Edwards, Obama will recieve 25%-30% (2.5-3)and the remainder will go the rest of the candidates.

by Djneedle83 2007-02-20 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

I think it'd be foolish to think that some of Gore's support wouldn't go to Hillary.

by Dave Sund 2007-02-20 02:40PM | 0 recs
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One of the polls did ask for preferences in the absence of Gore, and Hillary got the biggest boost, around 40% of his support, IIRC.

by curtadams 2007-02-20 04:11PM | 0 recs
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I think it will split somewhat evenly with most going to the top 3.

by robliberal 2007-02-20 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Obama is the 2008 FlUFF CANDIDATE

by Djneedle83 2007-02-20 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Constructive argument from yet another Edwards guy.

I like John Edwards (though my support tints towards Obama). Why must his followers convince me that I should not?

by Populism2008 2007-02-20 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

everyone candidate has followers that don't reflect well on the candidate. That shouldnt be the reason why we do or do not vote for anyone.

by okamichan13 2007-02-20 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Amen Chris.  There is little I like less than polls that amount to little more than entertainment value, but are treated as news.

I love your first point.  I know very few Dems who know who will support.  That includes me.  I vote on the Kos polls, etc. but I'm far from committed.  I may even contribute to more than one.  

The problem with the polls is that they love to ask "If the election were held today, . . ." when in fact the election is not for a year.  A better question would be "X,Y, and Z have announced they are running for the 2008 democratic nomination for president.  Have you decided who you will support?    If so, who?"  I'll bet with that question, you would have 60%+ undecided.  Of course, the news story about the horse race would be dull.      

by hilltopper 2007-02-20 01:57PM | 0 recs
Wishlist

Stop including candidates who have not yet declared they are running.

I assume they do this for continuity, but with the field taking shape it is time to drop the undeclareds out.

by MassEyesandEars 2007-02-20 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

So what's the deal with Rasmussen?

by LPMandrake 2007-02-20 02:42PM | 0 recs
undecided number is huge

I talk with politically active Democrats in Iowa every day. A very large number are still undecided--maybe not 50 percent, but a huge number. And I remember from 2003/2004 that quite a few people I knew changed their minds during the final months.

Any poll showing a single-digit number for undecideds is a complete joke.

by desmoinesdem 2007-02-20 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

Good suggestions Chris.  I'm waiting for the first debates this spring to give all our candidates a chance to shine....or not :)

by catchawave 2007-02-20 03:23PM | 0 recs
These are all over the map

Clinton's advantage over #2 Obama ranges from 4 to 33 points. Clearly the real margin of error is much higher than the 3-4% usually quoted. Some aspects of methodology must be really skewing the results.

by curtadams 2007-02-20 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: These are all over the map
And ti would be quite helpful if we knew what those differences were.
by Chris Bowers 2007-02-20 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Primary Season Polling Wishlist

How about we do something similar to what we did a couple of years ago, and take up a collection to pay for our own poll?

An inexpensive poll of Iowa or New Hampshire, with all announced candidates listed, and no pushing of undecideds, would be something I would contribute to. And any whistles and bells we can add on would just be gravy.

by dwbh 2007-02-21 06:45AM | 0 recs

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