Is The Field Finally Set?

January 26th:
Over the Christmas holidays, Ret. Gen. Wes Clark told a close friend that, without a doubt, he would establish a presidential exploratory committee after the first of the year. And now?

A Clark adviser says the '04 candidate is "leaning towards setting up an exploratory then taking some time to explore." Clark accepted an invitation to speak at next weekend's DNC winter meeting in DC, along with the rest of the Democratic field. In addition, a major Democratic donor said that Clark has begun to make telephone calls to party donors."
That was three and a half weeks ago. Considering that we were also "promised" something in January, this makes at least two extended delays after the deadline of a semi-promised decision.

The thing is, it is not as though Clark has broken any of these leaked "promises." Right now, he actually is running. Like virtually every other candidate who has announced, he is going through the steps people take before announcing the creation of an exploratory committee: talking with former supporters, getting on the phone with donors, consulting with staff about strategy, etc. In short, he is surveying the landscape to determine the viability and feasibility of another run. The only reason he would have delayed for so long now--nearly seven weeks--is because he has yet to find enough support to convince himself that the campaign would be worth it. This is, for example, the exact same reason that Kerry spent so long before making an announcement, and why he eventually decided against it.

One has to conclude, based on these delays, that Clark is currently leaning against a run in 2008. It certainly does not mean that he is out. After all, he waited a long time in 2004, and extremely careful consideration of the various possibilities might just be his political modus operandi. However, to survey the field for this long, and to twice leak that he was prepared to run only to continue to delay... well, it doesn't look good for Clark supporters.

It should also be noted that the fact Gore is doing none of these things is yet another reason to indicate he is not running. Unannounced candidates typically do the things Clark is doing now: calling donors, feeling out former supporters, and generally testing the waters. Whether or not you feel it is necessary for him to do so, Gore is doing none of that. He is, instead, repeatedly making statements that indicate there is a 99.9999% chance he will never run again. And the draft movement really isn't very active either.

If I had to bet, right now I would say the field is set. It looks like we have nine candidates: Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, Gravel, Kucinich, Obama, Richardson and Vilsack. I share the sentiments of the MyDD community in wishing that Biden and Gravel would drop out. Seven would not be a bad number to start with, and it would make the stages at debates a little less cluttered (and a little less focused on Senators). It might not be the field everyone hoped for, but at least we could get on with our lives after four months of seemingly constant announcements. People are complaining that the 2008 campaign is receiving far too much attention this far out (there are two complete baseball seasons before the next Presidential election, for example), but part of the reason it has received so much attention is that 19 different candidates have announced they are running for president over the last 120 days, and another six or seven prominent names have declared they are not running. Throw in the candidates who have made double announcements for exploratory committees and then official committees, as well as beat coverage of the superstars when they make their first trips to Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, and one can see how the announcement period itself has generated this enormous amount of coverage. When was the last time there were so many well-known candidates running, or even so many candidates running at all? Throw in a weakened sitting president, increased voter turnout, and the general upward trend in political activism over the past two years, and suddenly the "excessive" coverage of the presidential campaign starts making sense.

Tags: Al Gore, Media, President 2008, Wesley Clark (all tags)

Comments

79 Comments

Re: Is The Field Finally Set?
people complain that the 2008 is getting too much hype and coverage and is talked about alot but, still when all is said and done, it's alot of fun.  It kinda like a mystery, parlor game and just something fun to talk about.
We can act like we are all too cool for it all but, just like the overweight middle age ladies in curlers at the check out counter leafing thru national enquirer, it's our guilty pleasure
by vwcat 2007-02-19 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Mea culpa.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-02-19 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Is it Colonel Mustard in the Library?

In all serious though, it really is a mystery when we're talking about a few of these candidates.  I am pretty surprised that Clark hasn't thrown his hat into the ring yet, but Chris brings up a good point...maybe the support just isn't there.

As for Gore, I wholeheartedly disagree with Chris' assessment.  First of all, there is rumor that Gore associates have been making calls to donors to see if will reserve supporting someone else until Gore makes a decision.  Even if the rumors are not true though, Gore doesn't need to be calling donors.  For one, he's rich.  For two, Hollywood loves him.  For three, we (the Netroots) love him.  Those three things alone equals a ton of dough, not to mention all the others who will instantly drop whomever they are supporting to back Gore.

Second, I take issue with Chris' statement that the draft movement is not very active.  Just tonight, I along with 50-75 other organizers of algore.org had a very productive conference call.  We have a whole host of events planned and ours numbers are growing exponentially.  In about a month and a half, there are already almost 1000 Draft Gore Meetup members (more than any other candidate by the way).  Now just think if Markos and Chris would actually take some action and help our cause - our numbers would skyrocket (that's assuming Chris would back Gore...we already know Kos would).  With or without them though, we plan on doing everything we possibly can do get Al in the race.

With that all being said, look for a significant announcement from algore.org in about a week or so.

by NYPopulist 2007-02-19 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Clark has so much going on that I believe he will finish up his previous commitments before he announces. That puts it around 3rd week of March.

He's speaking at a multi-national gathering in Jeddah, Saudia Arabia on the 25th of this month:

http://www.pressreleasenetwork.com/newsr oom/news_view.phtml?news_id=2023

And he's hosting a Conference on National Security at UCLA Burkle Center for International Relations March 6 & 7.

http://www.international.ucla.edu/showev ent.asp?eventid=5566

by jen 2007-02-19 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I think you are way off base with Clark.

I never thought he would enter before his Foreign Policy forum at UCLA in early March. Besides he's on his way to Saudi Arabia for a Middle East economic summit in the next few days.

Clark had obligations he had to fulfill. He is not independently wealthy like Edwards and is not feeding in the congressional trough like the others. He has had to make a living since leaving the military and the fact that he has done that AND worked harder than any other Dem for 2006 candidates shows his work ethic and determination to change the direction of this country.

As you mentioned, the leaks did not come from him or his staff, so why give them any credence?

It is not too late to get in the race. (I think both Clark and Hagel will announce in the next month or so) The only people who think it's too late are political junkies on the net. The voters don't even have the 2008 race in their sights.

by pelican 2007-02-19 05:22PM | 0 recs
Not set

I believe that Clark has been delaying while he is trying to stop gdub from going into Iran and to help the Democrats formulate strategy in regards to Iraq, Iran and crazy ol' gdub.

If he "declared" right now, then all would look at this as just "political" crap. For Wes Clark this is to important to fuck up by declaring right now.

by kevin22262 2007-02-19 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Not set

Yes, forgot about all the work he's been doing with Congress, re Iraq and Iran.

He can do more in an day than most people can do in a week.

by pelican 2007-02-19 05:29PM | 0 recs
au contraire

I'm not sure why the "delay" points toward his not running- Bill Clinton didn't announce until Sept. of the year before he ran.

The "frontrunners" have so far proven that the regressive monied interests are unfortunately alive & kicking, they have each also made some serious misssteps & reinforced the perception that now along with perpetual war we have the disgusting phenonmenon of perpetual campaigns!

And btw, just look where our good General is this week:

http://www.pressreleasenetwork.com/newsroom/news_view.phtml?news_id=2023

Chairman Sami Bahrawi Launches First Ever Interactive Jeddah Economic Forum

Global Leaders To Address Multinational Gathering

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia - Feb 17, 2007 (PRN): In a press conference hosted by the Jeddah Chamber of Commerce & Industry, and Sami F. Bahrawi, Chairman of Jeddah Economic Forum 2007, the program and speakers were formally announced today.

Her Majesty Queen Rania Al-Abdullah of Jordan will deliver a special keynote address at the conclusion of the opening day, Sunday 25th February. Plenary Speakers will include: HRH Prince Turki Al Faisal, H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey; The Hon Dato' Sri Mohd Najib Tun Abdul Razak, Deputy Prime Minister of Malaysia; H.E. Lech Walesa, former President of Poland; H.E. Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minister of Pakistan; The Rt. Hon. Jean Chretien, former Prime Minister of Canada; Minister Liu Jiangfeng from China; General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO; Mr Peder Wallenberg, Founder of Carpe Vitam and Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean, UK Chair of the Saudi-British Business Council.

Sami Bahrawi, Chairman of the Jeddah Economic Forum said, "Our speakers have been carefully chosen to address the themes of the Forum with authority and experience. They are all influential global figures and the 2007 Jeddah Economic Forum is honored to host them."

Sue MacGregor of the BBC and Alastair Stewart of the Independent Television News, two renowned media personalities from the United Kingdom, will facilitate interactive hour-long "Moving Forward" segments in each Forum session. JEF Delegates will also have the opportunity of expressing their opinions on key issues by using personal Electronic Survey equipment, supplied by IML Ltd in London.

Under the patronage of HRH Prince Abdul Majeed bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Governor of Mecca Region, the theme for the three-day forum is 'Economic Reform: Flourishing Grounds and Expanding Horizons'. The six half-day sessions are: 'Strategies for Economic Reform: Universalism vs. Particularism'; 'Flexicurity in Reform: A Balanced Social Agenda' ; 'People are at the Centre: Social Responsibility & Citizenship Initiative'; 'The Legal Structure must keep up'; 'Changing the Global Energy Paradigm' and 'Privatization: The Indispensable Tool'.

"The 2007 Forum will point the way to the economic future for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf," Bahrawi said. "Our vision is to set the standards and process for national, regional and economic development for the Gulf and beyond."

Held from February 24 - 27, 2007 at the Jeddah Hilton, the Forum is organized by the Jeddah Marketing Board that operates under the Jeddah Chamber of Commerce & Industry.

Emaar: the Economic City is the Partner Sponsor for Jeddah Economic Forum for the second year in a row. The Jeddah Economic Forum Lead Sponsors this year include: Saudi Research and Marketing Group (Official Print Media), CNBC Arabiya (Official Broadcast Media), National Commercial Bank, Xenel Group. Diamond Sponsors this year are: Saudi Arabian Airlines (Official Carrier) and Budget Rent a Car (Official Transport Solution Provider). Gold Sponsors include: Al Madinah Printing Press and Medunet. The Gala Dinner is sponsored by Al Jamal Group of Companies and the silver sponsor is Global Economy.

London Business School (LBS), one of world's leading graduate management schools is the academic partner for Jeddah Economic Forum. This is the third time London Business School has partnered with Jeddah Economic Forum as the academic partner. Effat College is the strategic planner of the Jeddah Economic Forum.

Known as "The Think Tank of the Middle East", Jeddah Economic Forum is held under the patronage of HRH Prince Abdul Majeed bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Governor of the Makkah Region, and is organized by the Jeddah Marketing Board, a department of the Jeddah Chamber of Commerce & Industry. It will draw more than 2000 delegates from around the world.

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by bluemoon 2007-02-19 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: au contraire

In February 1991, we were at war in Kuwait and Iraq; Bush's popularity topped at 91%.  That delayed a lot of Dems from entering the race.

by Adam B 2007-02-19 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

In a January 11 interview on Air America, his interviewer noted that "every day you're not running, you're not raising funds, which regrettably is a sine qua non of a candidacy. About when might you have to move from the policy focus you're bringing to Iraq and start actually running and raising funds?"

Wesley Clark's response, "Once a person becomes a candidate, then everything they say becomes viewed through a political lens. I don't want this viewed through a political lens. This should be viewed as a policy issue. That's why I'm advocating."

Clark is trying to work behind-the-scenes to make sure that we don't bomb Iran.  He has stated several times that he thinks he would be less effective at preventing a strike against Iran once he was a candidate.

So Clark has more important things to do right now.  

by catherineD 2007-02-19 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I'm all for Biden. The Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, former Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and author of the Violence Against Women Act and Biden Crime Bill is the only candidate with a real plan for Iraq - and it's a good plan, too. Yeah, he voted for the bankruptcy bill, but you could put Boxer or Feingold in DE and they'd vote for it, too. Yeah, he's made some verbal gaffes, but we all love Howard Dean and he did the same. Every candidate will make them at some point and get hammered.

Ten months to go, and I'm thrilled Chairman Biden will be pushing Iraq during the debates. He's my guy.

But Gravel, yeah, byebye.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-02-19 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

The only candidate with a real plan for Iraq?

Obama? - out by March 08
Kucinich? - has never voted for funding, wants to withdraw troops now.
Edwards? - 40-50,000 troops re-deployed now (JE supporters correct me if Im wrong.

Biden needs to step aside. His time went with big hair and the flying V guitar.

by faithfull 2007-02-19 07:54PM | 0 recs
A Real Plan for Iraq

He's not a candidate for President, but only Stephan Colbert has a Real Plan for Iraq.  Going all in is the only real plan for Iraq.  With 300 million Americans drafted and sent to Iraq it is the only sensible option.  

by msstaley 2007-02-19 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

"Get out now" sets us up for a Darfur-like situation in Iraq. I don't know how we can beg the administration to fix one Darfur while demanding they start another, so I don't view Obama and Kucinich' plans as legitimate. Edwards' isn't complete - where would he redeploy them to? What would he do with the other 120k troops? When he talks about diplomacy, what's he going to use as leverage, both with Iraq and other countries in the region?

They all have incomplete "plans" that take all of two sentences to explain. In a world this complex, that doesn't cut it.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-02-20 03:49AM | 0 recs
how about Afghanistan

where the Taliban is back in business,, remember them

by TarHeel 2007-02-20 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: how about Afghanistan

That's an idea, but I'd want to redeploy the troops to Iraq's borders to secure those but allow Iraqis to deal with the cities, or home. A lot of these guys are on their third tour, or are on extended tours. Redployment stateside would be a good thing.

by Nathan Empsall 2007-02-20 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: how about Afghanistan

So Biden's is the only plan that you like.  That's different from it being the only plan.

by jallen 2007-02-20 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: how about Afghanistan

I don't consider "get out now" a plan - it needs more details. It's a first step, but how are you going to handle the results?

by Nathan Empsall 2007-02-20 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

If Gore did any of the things candidates typically do it would cause a Tsunami. His is a uniqe situation. Most candidates haven't starred in a film that my get an Oscar.

In any case, unless you like one of the candidates there is no reason to make a commitment. If you live in VA, NJ or KY there are important local elections this year. There is no reason to make a decision unless you are excited about one of the candidates.

by Alice Marshall 2007-02-19 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Sen. Clinton has appeared in an Oscar-nominated documentary.

by Adam B 2007-02-19 06:56PM | 0 recs
Oscars, Documentaries, and Politicians

Bush was in an Oscar winning documentary, it was called Fahrenheit 9/11.

by msstaley 2007-02-19 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Oscars, Documentaries, and Politicians

Heh.  Who running in 2008 made an appearance -- was McCain in there?  

by Adam B 2007-02-20 04:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?
Heck Clark isn't in yet and neither is Hagel.
We don't even have a horse-race yet.
by sybil disobedience 2007-02-19 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I too think Biden brings a lot to the race in terms of his foreign policy credentials (his informed opposition to the Iraq war), support for the middle-class and overall electability. Just read Richard Cramer's "What it Takes" to get a fuller picture of the guy.  There's no need to winnow the field this early - it's still amazing to me that a party's candidates could be set 21 months before the election.

by Mr DC 2007-02-19 06:17PM | 0 recs
Democrats Want This Race Now

These numbers are from a Feb 15 Fox Poll but are very interesting.

Do you think it is too early for 2008 presidential candidates to be campaigning or not?

......................Yes.....No.....Don 't Know

All....................47%....49........ ...4
Democrats.........37%....59.........4
Republicans.......58%....38.........3
Independents....50%....48.........2

Republicans are not looking forward to the 2008 Presidential election but Democrats are salivating.

Also:

Are you hoping there is someone new who you haven't heard about yet who may enter the 2008 presidential race?

......................Yes.....No.....Don 't Know

All....................49%....43........ ...7
Democrats.........46%....50.........4
Republicans.......53%....38.........9
Independents....53%....38.........9

While we Democrats are divided on seeing someone new enter the race the Republicans are desperate to have someone new.

by msstaley 2007-02-19 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I know folks hate Biden for the bankruptcy bill and his chronic foot-in-mouth, but I don't mind him being in the race. Kucinich and Gravel should go, though.

by PsiFighter37 2007-02-19 06:39PM | 0 recs
Kucinich & Gravel

I think both Kucinich and Gravel add a lot to the race. They are not viable candidates in terms of having a shot at the nomination but they will bring up a lot of issues that others will never mention.

Gravel gave a good progressive speech at DNC. The latest Marist poll interestingly shows he is slightly ahead of Dodd, Kucinich, and Vilsack.

http://robliberal.mydd.com/story/2007/2/ 20/0121/55855

by robliberal 2007-02-19 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Kucinich & Gravel

I wouldn't call 1% exactly that far of a jump ahead of less than 1%...

by PsiFighter37 2007-02-19 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Kucinich & Gravel

It is not a great sign for Dodd and Vilsack who are able to raise enough money to be viable candidates for Gravel to be ahead of them.

by robliberal 2007-02-19 07:58PM | 0 recs
I will volunteer for Wes

I would not volunteer for a single candidate on this slate. But I will vote for anyone but HIllary.

AS far as Wes, yes, that will make me want to get off my ass and volunteer. I sent an email to a Wes Clark contact someone gave me on this blog.

by Pravin 2007-02-19 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

I will work for ANY democrat that gets in unless they are fucking crazy!

So who would you vote for if it is Hillary as the Dem?  Not vote? Nader? The rethug?

All three of those are as good as electing another neo-con!

by kevin22262 2007-02-19 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

Third Party or write-in.
VOting Hillary only ensures more mediocrity in the party for the next twenty years.

Face it. A republican will win another Presidential election in your lifetime. The dems will have to learn how to be a good opposition (via the senate or congress) when that happens. And by doing so, they may actually lessen their chances of being out of the white house.

So are we supposed to NEVER vote third party because any potential republican could be disaster? DLC is dying. Voting out Hillary in the primary will only lead to a worse fate for the DLC. And for some reason if Hillary doesn't win the Presidential, the country cant get any worse than it is under Bush, and the Dems finally have the senate and congress, and guess what, maybe ,ore DEans, Webbs, Lamonts , Testers show up for the next election.

The mistakes of  the war, the continued sabotaging of the Dem party by the DLC - CLintonista types,  and the need to stop propagating family politics(I will make exceptions to great politicians who transcend their relatives) are at this point more important to men than other issues. If Hillary wins the primary and loses the GE in the easiest election a Dem will face in years, that should finish off the DLC for 2012 and make the party stronger in the long run.

I do not share some of the liberal ideology on public schools, death penalty. Character and competence(you know not making dumbass decisions on Iraq) on important issues is more important to me. Why vote Dems if they are going to put in power people I detest?

by Pravin 2007-02-19 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

Clinton has more of a liberal record than either of the top 2 Obama and Edwards. There is a huge, huge difference in what she would do as president and what McCain, Romney, etc. would do. While a lot of people would like a Democratic nominee who is much further to the left than any who are currently viable candidates for the nomination that will not happen and one of those viable candidates will be the nominee.

Voting third party or writing in a name does nothing but help elect the GOP nominee. We have been down that road before and it is a dead end. I want to see a Democrat elected in 2008 as do many others on this blog. The only way to have any hopes of ever implementing progressive ideas is to have some input into the process. There will be no access and no input for the next 4 to 8 years if a Republican is elected. If a Democrat, any Democrat, is elected that is a start toward change.

by robliberal 2007-02-19 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

I explained my rationale pretty clearly. I do not have the same priorities you do.

by Pravin 2007-02-20 12:06AM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

We have a TWO party system. Period. A third party will always TAKE votes from one of the other candidates.

You could have this happen:

rethug = 34%

Democrat = 33%

third party = 33%

We do not have a parliamentary form of government.

by kevin22262 2007-02-20 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

So why do we allow third parties to contest?Change the law. Don't blame me for following the laws.

by Pravin 2007-02-20 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I will volunteer for Wes

I would not want that either.. but...

When you have a fascist in power and they are ignoring or trying to strip away OUR CONSTITUTION then that is not the time to play spoiler. Can we say Nader?

If not for Nader, the rethugs may not have been able to pull off their vote fraud and voter intimidation the way they did. The numbers would have been to great in favor of Al Gore.

by kevin22262 2007-02-21 02:37PM | 0 recs
Clark

I was involved in the draft Clark movement in 2003 and supported him until his withdrawal from the race in Memphis in February 11, 2004.

I think Chris may be right that the signs are against Clark entering the race. Except for the few anonymous quotes some weeks ago there just have not been any signs pointing toward a Clark campaign.  

by robliberal 2007-02-19 07:20PM | 0 recs
OMG, you must be right

The fact that he's doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes to work on the serious problems that the others are only blowing hot air about, and getting himself invited to speak at middle eastern forums with other international leaders, forces one to conclude that he can't possibly be running. Because everybody knows (that good old conventional wisdom!) that experienced leaders with superior qualifications who put the country's problems ahead of their own political ambitions and self-aggrandizement have no business getting into the freak show American politics has become. Has Britney Spears announced yet?

by SusanCLE 2007-02-20 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: OMG, you must be right

Unfortunately Britney Spears is not yet old enough to run. She is a Republican and would make an ideal GOP candidate.

by robliberal 2007-02-20 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I'm sorry Chris, but your post doesn't add anything substantial to the debate over whether Clark will run or not.  Its just speculation and its still early Feb.  I know you want everything to be buttoned up already, but its ridiculously early.  Its not like its Dec and Clark is too late getting into the game.

I was excited when I saw you posted about Clark, but its turns out its just conjecture based on annonymous sources and a month old article.  :(

by areucrazy 2007-02-19 08:23PM | 0 recs
Conjecture? Speculation? On a blog?!?!?

Who'da thunk?

by BriVT 2007-02-20 03:15AM | 0 recs
The Field NOT Set

It is a mistake to believe that Clark is not planning to run in 08.

He has some very serious things he wants to accomplish before he has to turn it all 'political'.

He's right too.  You can see the other candidates posturing everywhere they show up.

Don't forget.... When Wes announces, he will give up all his other obligations and be able to campaign 7 days a week.  

by TxKat 2007-02-19 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: The Field NOT Set

He has some very serious things he wants to accomplish before he has to turn it all 'political'.

This is the reason why I don't think he will NOT run.  He is a wonk and loves getting his hands dirty.  A presidential candidate has to worry about saying the right things, wearing the right clothes, and kissing the right babies.

The same goes for Gore and global warming.  

by Yoshimi 2007-02-20 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: The Field NOT Set

As he said this morning (2/20/07):

Brian Kilmeade: Just ask a question, when are you going to decide if you're running?

Gretchen Carlson: (chuckles)

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, pretty soon, I think.

Brian Kilmeade: Within a, within a month?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't have a specific timeline, but it's a very interesting race. There's a lot of great candidates out there, but there are some really, really important issues in this election.

http://securingamerica.com/node/2248

by TxKat 2007-02-20 11:20AM | 0 recs
I wish Sharpton would run

It's not that I want him to win, or even get X number of votes, and I'm not trying to take away from Obama or anything. But I feel it's good for the soul of the party to have someone up there speaking from black America, for black America.

by msnook 2007-02-19 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I wish Sharpton would run

I think it is good to have non-viable candidates such as Kucinich, Gravel, Sharpton, etc. as a part of the process. They will not be nominated but they do contribute a lot to the process by brining up issues the others will not touch.

by robliberal 2007-02-19 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: I wish Sharpton would run

I agree, although I think there should be a reality check as the debates go on, and it's clear some of them have no chance.

It's amusing to have 9 or 10 people up there for the first debate or two. But once you get 4 or 5 debates into it, it's an annoying distraction when half the participants have no friggin chance, and are taking away time from those who do -- and making it tougher for viewers to make an informed choice.

by jhlinko 2007-02-20 03:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I wish Sharpton would run

I think Sharpton and others who are deemed not viable still should have a right to the debates. Maybe they can come to an agreement where their answer time is limited, but they get to ask the more prominent candidates questions. If I am a candidate, I would gladly do that since a lot of the standard questions are not hard hitting.

by Pravin 2007-02-20 02:03PM | 0 recs
Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

Roger Ailes has the press release on his blog tonight of the participants finalized for the AFSCME Carson City debate on February 22, 2007.

Clark's name is not on the list so he apparently is not scheduled to participate.


Washington, DC/ Carson City, NV - ABC News, ABC News Now and C-SPAN will produce the AFSCME forum in Carson City, Nevada on February 22, 2007 at 3:00pm EST, moderated by George Stephanopoulos.

ABC News Now will offer it live via the pool switch feed in Washington, DC. C-SPAN will carry the forum live on cable nationwide.

Candidates confirmed to attend, as of publication, in order of appearance at the forum:

(as determined by lottery)

United States Senator Chris Dodd, D-CT
United States Senator Hillary Clinton, D-NY
Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack, D-IA
Former United States Senator John Edwards, D-NC
New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, D-NM
United States Senator Joe Biden, D-DE
United States Congressman Bob Kucinich, D-OH
Former United States Senator Mike Gravel, D-AK

http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/index.htm l

by robliberal 2007-02-19 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

That poor guy!! With a name like Roger Ailes it's hard not to think of Fox News and bonehead conservative fake news.

by bsavage 2007-02-19 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

well, duh.... he's not yet a candidate.

by TxKat 2007-02-19 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

Where is Obama?  My guess is that the two either haven't confirmed or just didn't confirm before the release.

by msstaley 2007-02-19 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

Obama has explicitly said he isn't coming. He has a fundraiser in Beverly Hills the night before and nothing scheduled the day of the forum, so he may literally be flying over the forum while it's occuring.

Not sure what his thinking was on this one ...

by BriVT 2007-02-20 03:17AM | 0 recs
No Obama at Forum

Normally when a candidate tries to cite a prior commitment as a reason to not debate it is a strategic decision.  Obama may be doing something very clever.  He will get to see what strategies the other candidates are pursuing in the debates without showing his own hand.  Of course, the other candidates are free to attack him and he can't defend himself at the time although he could issue a statement to the media after the debate if they go after him.  In a sense he may be pursuing a Rose Garden strategy.  Should he be able to stay above the fray long enough he may appear more Presidential than the other mere candidates.  

On the other hand this may not be anything like a debate since it is labeled a forum.  It looks like maybe the candidates will simply be making speeches one right after the other.  I wonder if they will be taking questions from the audience?  If they are only making speeches then Hillary's appearance makes more sense because I can't imagine that Hillary wants to start debating right now when she is trying to maintain her poll numbers and debating will probably be the thing that starts bringing them down.

by msstaley 2007-02-20 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: No Obama at Forum

I think it is a forum.  Just a bunch of stump speaches to a union audience.

by Yoshimi 2007-02-20 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

Hey Rob...

ITS NOT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even ABC calls it a forum.

by yitbos96bb 2007-02-20 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Not On List For Carson City Debate

Who is Bob Kucinich?

by Yoshimi 2007-02-20 09:10AM | 0 recs
Candidates Who Could Still Join

Democrats

Al Gore: It's not that he's likely to, it's that Gore candidacy would be the ultimate "Back to the Future" moment in American politics. Plenty of candidates have run again after losing, but running again after winning?

Howard Dean: Yeah he's not running...but with Jerome and others like him twitching for a fight...imagine what would happen if People-powered Howard comes back? There's probably no Democrat or Republican that can touch him on the war.

Eric Shinseki: It's true...the general who was just honest with the Bush Administration about Iraq actually has considered going into politics into his native Hawai'i. He obviously isn't a career politican and might struggle with the basics. But forget Clark...Shinseki actually could end the war with victory...and actually would know how unlike pretty much anyone running in '08.

Republicans

Chuck Hagel: McCain implodes, Iraq explodes. Hagel realises he doesn't want to burn brightly and then fade. He also wants to keep his wife happy.

The Vice President of the United States: I'm not really counting on it, but I have far too many liberal friends who think it possible Cheney may resign shortly so that Bush can groom a real successor. There are no shortage of now-unemployed Republican Senators...but I'd almost hazard the best pick would be none other than John Ellis Bush.

Green

Ralph Nader: HE'S BACK. There's no candidate the Democrats can nominate, not even Al Sharpton, who won't turn Ralphie's stomach. He's not going to do anything until the fall, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't come back one last time.

by risenmessiah 2007-02-19 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Candidates Who Could Still Join

Under Republicans you don't list Newt Gingrinch.  Is this because you assume that he is running (since he seems to be)?  Gingrinch is pursuing a strategy of letting the other candidates beat each other up then when the Republicans are tired of those guys he will jump in as the conservative saviour.  

by msstaley 2007-02-20 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Candidates Who Could Still Join

Well the thing about Gingrich is, should he be "running" already...this is about as aggressive as his campaign is going to get. The real race is actually between only four guys...Brownback(as a real social conservative savior)....Romney as the rich guy with no message...Hagel as the "Only Nixon Can go to China" guy, and Rudy "Hillary Lite" Giuliani.

by risenmessiah 2007-02-20 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Candidates Who Could Still Join

Uh, excuse me, forget Clark, former head of NATO, most decorated by foreign countries since Eisenhower?  Who talks about diplomacy above all else?  So what's Shinseki going to do --- institute a draft and send a half million troops over there?

by catherineD 2007-02-20 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Candidates Who Could Still Join

Clark's not running. He was the Clinton stalking horse. He doesn't have enough political contacts or mojo to do without help. The only way he gets in the race is if Gore tips it to him...but again...Gore liked Dean over Clark. Secondly, Clark's military experience is extensive but as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO you ain't fighting a war like Iraq.

As for Shinseki...what's he going to do? That's missing the real point. If he takes office there is likely to be a tremendous amount of support within the Armed Forces. Moreover, he'd probably annouce a succint endgame...something Bush won't do. Practically speaking, Hagel is just as likely to institute a "draft". But it's likely this time it would be a one-time thing for all men age 20-25 that would be a real "surge" of 1 to 2 million troops that would effectively end the insurgency. Why? Because even if it's unsustainable...Iran and rich Saudis can't risk funding the insurgency anymore if we have a free million men to march on Tehran or Riyadh.

by risenmessiah 2007-02-20 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Candidates Who Could Still Join

What an incredibly ignorant post!  You say Clark's not running, that he was a stalking horse for Clinton, as tho those were indesputable facts.  But they're nothing more than bullshit.

No one but Clark and maybe his wife knows whether he will run or not in 2008.  And the stalking horse claim was a GOP lie (started by Bill Safire) that a few Deanies picked up to give them someone else to blame for Dean's failures.  There's not a shred of evidence whatsoever that Clark had anything to do with a plan to bring Hillary Clinton in to the 04 race, and every reason to KNOW that he didn't.

If Clark does declare his candidacy in '08, will you eat your words and apologize to him and all of us?  Or will you come up with some other way to explain away the reality you don't particularly like?

As for Shinseki, you do realize that he was Clark's deputy in the Balkans, don't you?  He hasn't fought in Iraq any more than Clark has, and most of what he does know, he learned from Clark.

Which is not to say either man couldn't do a better job cleaning up the Bush mess than anyone else on the list of canidates so far.  They've both successfully conducted peace-keeping, nation-building, and counterinsurgency operations, all of which are needed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and maybe Iran by the time Bush is through.

But if you think Shinseki's could mount a run for president, it just shows how far out of touch with reality you really are.  He's a good man, but he's got nowhere near the public stature a general needs to move into presidential politics.

by hf jai 2007-02-21 08:05AM | 0 recs
Is The Field "Finally" Set? Sorry, no.

Earlier comments note the work Clark has been doing. Maybe his demonstrated commitment to important issues means he is a MORE serious candidate than some of the others.

He is not one of the media or party-designated front-runners and isn't going to get the big money as things stand now, so why not let it play out and enter later on his own terms?

He's a funny guy, he is treating voters as if we were adults who don't need instant gratification. :) OMG, you mean we have to be patient!?!?

by DeanOR 2007-02-19 11:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I was hoping for something better.

HRC exemplifies D using R framing and not getting to the heart of the matter, and not speaking to regular Americans' economic concerns. And she appears to have a healthy does of hawk. And imperial president. So far she is my least favorite

Edwards says good things, but he done silly things. Is he grounded in principle, esp. in foreign policy?

Obama says mush too much - he does not cut to the heart of the matter as I would like to see. He might  be OK, but he does not blow me away. His appeal seems so "Oh wow." HIs voting record is pretty good though. I could see him as a frustrating candidate - on the verge of actually speaking truth to the people - but never quite getting there due to some desire not to appear extreme.

the others -

I guess I like Kucinich the best. You can't over-emphasize the fact that he was right about Iraq. That goes a long way with me. However, I heard him recently on the Diane Rehm show, and he didn't blow me away either. Basically, he kept repeating how right he was about Iraq.

Maybe Richardson has something going on? Not familiar with him or the others ...

This is a key election - I had hoped that we would get a transformational leader. But I can't see it in this crowd.

by mightymouse 2007-02-20 02:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

I actually feel sorry for whomever wins... The mess bush has left, the fact that much of the costs of his legislation...like the prescription drug bill... have deferred their costs until 2009... and our "glowing" internation reputation in disrepair, its going to be tough.  The problem is to get reelected, the president will have to maintain the status quo... To fix it, means doing a lot of unpopular things (except for ending the war) which will make reelection difficult.  Of course History would show that person favorably, even if they lost.

by yitbos96bb 2007-02-20 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

That's a good point. We're in a bad spot here.

It will be interesting to hear how candidates address this reality. This voter wants to hear more truth.

by mightymouse 2007-02-20 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Obama isn't afraid to speak the truth... and he does so in his speeches... his big problem is he tends to be too talkative... he speaks the truth, but has a hard time getting to the point quickly... I expect to see his staff work with him on it before the debates.

by yitbos96bb 2007-02-20 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Here's what I wish that you would write about Chris:

How are we in the netroots to proceed over the next year plus?  I see several senarios and there are probably others as well.

Will we coalesce around one candidate?  Will we have some influence as a left-wing voice?

Will it become anybody but Hillary? Or will we warm up to Hillary?

Because there are several likable candidates, will we just fight amongst ourselves and never coalesce until after the convention?  This strikes me as the most likely.

by aiko 2007-02-20 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Unless one of them screws up royally, the answer to your question seems simple through the first 4 contests... Nearly Half go to Edwards and Nearly Half to Obama (or 58-38 to one or the other) and about 4% support someone else.  If one of the two drops and it is HRC vs that guy, I see the majority of the candidate who drops supports heading to support the other guy.

by yitbos96bb 2007-02-20 07:51AM | 0 recs
Is Gore running?

I personally would not bet on Gore entering the race.  The problem however is that his statements and actions over the last 12 months support either one of  two theories:

  1. Gore is not running.
  2. Gore is running an absolutely perfect steath candidacy.  The only question is whether he will announce before the primary season or after HRC stumbles.

I can't see either money or volunteers being a big deal for Gore, because both will materialize within weeks of his announcement any time up to March 31st 2008.  And while I doubt he really cares about the netroots any more than any other candidate, that too will appear if he needs it.  So he can take his time and not have to engage the Radical Right's slime machine for a while.  Also allow HRC to get caught up in the Iraq web.

Again, I don't think he will.  But he still could.

sPh

by sphealey 2007-02-20 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

HEY, HOW DARE YOU BUT BIDEN, CLINTON AND EDWARDS AS THE FIRST THREE IN THE LIST... WE SEE YOUR NATURAL BIAS COMING OUT...  WITH A NAME LIKE BOWERS, WE KNOW YOU ARE ONE OF THEM... PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE START OF THE ALPHABET FIRST.  ITS JUST WRONG WRONG WRONG FOR YOU TO SHOW YOUR BIAS LIKE THAT.  GIVE THE END OF THE ALPHABET SOME LOVE SOME TIME... LETTERIST!!!

;-) (Yes for those too stupid to realize, this rant was not real and simply a joke for a boring Tuesday.)

by yitbos96bb 2007-02-20 07:48AM | 0 recs
Why should Gravel drop out?

Why should Gravel drop out?  Because he has no chance to win?  Using that logic, everyone but Clinton and Obama and maybe Edwards should drop out.  It's still a sorta-free country; let him stay.

Has anyone been to his website, or checked out his biography?  Unlike most of the field, Gravel has real anti-war credentials, an impressive record in the Senate, and big ideas (e.g. the national democracy initiative.)  He may be a decade older than McCain, but comes across as a decade younger.

Gravel may be unelectable, but he will do well in the debates and will hold the other candidates accountable for their rhetoric and actions to stop the war.

by Lex 2007-02-20 08:23AM | 0 recs
2008 is closer than it appears.

The "two baseball seasons" argument is bogus.  The presidential nominees are most likely going to be selected in the next 50 weeks, which doesn't leave much time to raise the money needed for the all-out advertising blitz on February 5th.

by Lex 2007-02-20 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: 2008 is closer than it appears.

Maintaining enthusiasm, etc., in Mid-Feb. until the Convention is going to be a huge, problematic task for both nominees.

by howardpark 2007-02-20 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Has anyone voiced the opinion that the American public may have learned its lesson and that for the next few presidential elections relative unknowns will not stand a chance. The country took Bush at face value without really knowing him. I don't believe that is going to happen again anytime soon.

Rather, people will vote only for candidates they have watched for a long period of time. This is going to work against all of the new comers and also rans.

I would also add that I believe Al Gore will walk in at the very last minute and take both the nomination and the election. He has no reason to declare himself at this point. He has all of the name recognition he needs and is adding more on a daily basis. Since he is not going to contest the nomination until the very end no one will launch negative ads against him and he will stay above the fray and remain unscathed. He will not need large sums of money until the end at which point it will all flow to him.

by hkorens 2007-02-20 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

If Gore enters, I think it will be late and because the major frontrunners have imploded, which they could do.

by Coral 2007-02-20 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Is The Field Finally Set?

Go over to securingamerica.com if you'd like to see some video of a foreign policy expert and his take on what's happening with Afghanistan and NATO.  It's up on the main page right now.  And ask yourself if any of the other candidates would really know this stuff.

by catherineD 2007-02-20 12:07PM | 0 recs

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