In the middle land

I'm in Lawrence Kansas, and I participated last night in a panel called "Blog to the Chief" with some other bloggers, including mcjoan of Daily Kos.  It was an hour and a half discussion of what impact blogging has made and will make on politics. I usually come away from these events having sat on a panel of people that are also progressive bloggers, but with 3 conservatives on the panel as well, the different attitudes toward blogging became noticeable. We focus on the building of movement, particularly through becoming more localized. The conservative focus has been on integrating with the other parts of the Republican machine to push the traditional media narrative in a partisan battle. Progressives, wanting to get the movement moving, get involved with community blogs through commenting and writing diaries. Conservatives go out and create their own blog, with an individual voice that adds their own voice. Of course the dynamic at work, of community and individuality, is not surprising given its prominance in American politics.

The other thing that became evident during the discussion, regarding the Presidential campaigns, is that none of us expect much by the '08 contenders in regards to either campaign blogs or their blogging. There is an expectation of blogger outreach, and interacting with the existing blog communities, but a campaign is just not going to be able to compete with community blogs that have been longer standing and represent a more authentic interaction. Dean's Blog For America was the first successful campaign blog, and maybe the last (a Barack Obama's social networking site is not going to replace, or even compete, with Facebook). I just don't see interesting blogging happening from within a campaign, and certainly that's the lesson from the Edwards bloggers debacle.

I say this with one caveat. If a candidate blogged, that might be interesting, but it's not practical give the verbal habit of politicians-- they don't write much at all. However, if any of the candidates take up reality-based vlogging on a daily basis, and it's real, it is going to be a sensation. But which campaign is going to devote the resources to having a video person on the road, a video person in house, and a high-level staffer responsible for daily oversight?  That's no small devotion of campaign resources. But the point is, blogging on behalf of a candidate is just not compelling. If a candidate wants to use this medium to reach people, they are going to have to figure out how to do it themselves.

The discussion at the Dole Institute for Politics was filmed by C-SPAN, though I don't know when it's planned to air. Before the event, we were given a tour of the archives where everything of Bob Dole's (he has over 50 ceramic/plastic/metal/whatever elephants) is stored. Dole is probably the accomplished non-President in recent history. Looking back over Dole's life, I was moved by his overcoming battle wounds from Italy, where my grandfather also fought during WWII. Reading about his recovery, and then his political climb (and looking at all the political memorabilia), was fascinating.

The news today in Kansas is that the State Board of Education once again changed the science standards. The raging debate is over whether there is a "controversy" regarding evolution. The new board voted 6-4, with 4 moderate Republicans joining 2 Democrats to defeat the conservatives, and remove the language that suggested evolutionary concepts such as a common origin for all life on earth and change in species creating new ones were controversial. Whew, progress!

Tags: Bob Dole, Election '08 (all tags)

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Re: In the middle land

I really could give a rat's a*s if a politician blogs.  If they have something to say it is more effective coming here or to DailyKos and posting a diary.

Was there discussion on On-line website structure?  I am impressed with Obama's "My Page" type structure.  Check it out:

barackobama.com

by Yoshimi 2007-02-14 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: In the middle land

My Space (cough)

by Yoshimi 2007-02-14 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: In the middle land

I hear you about campaign blogs, especially the video part. The problem is, as you point out, that video is a specialized skill set, far more than writing. You need someone who really understands the medium (the creative, the technical, and the theory), and they don't come as cheap as a blogger. And you really need a multi-media person to make it all work together.

by BriVT 2007-02-14 06:50AM | 0 recs
VLogging

I wonder what happened to ... can't remember her name Rian? maybe....that was following Edwards before and during the announcement?  

None of that behind the scenes video made it online.  Also, I know they have a campaign photographer that follows the campaign, but none of those photos are on Flickr.

by Robert P 2007-02-14 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: VLogging
Rielle was her name:
I was going to link them, but they appear to be gone.
by Robert P 2007-02-14 07:11AM | 0 recs
How candidates could blog

"If a candidate wants to use this medium to reach people, they are going to have to figure out how to do it themselves."

If a candidate made a commitment to post a personal note every weekday from the campaign trail, it would be a great way to connect with people, to give them some insight into the candidate.

The blog wouldn't need to be a about GREAT ISSUES, in fact, making it personal and local, something about Des Moines or Peterborough that day.

The judgement would be on how authentic the candidates observation.  It would be real clear if it was just snips of the stump speech or talking points vs. a genuine note from the candidate.

They could post it on their website blog as an "On the Bus with Barack" and provide a daily journal.

Wouldn't take much time, that's the beauty of online discussion it takes place any time you have the time.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-14 07:11AM | 0 recs
facebook vs. MyBarackObama

...a campaign is just not going to be able to compete with community blogs that have been longer standing and represent a more authentic interaction. Dean's Blog For America was the first successful campaign blog, and maybe the last (a Barack Obama's social networking site is not going to replace, or even compete, with Facebook).

Is it really the goal of MyBarackObama to compete with Facebook? It seems they serve completely different purposes. Honestly the two co-exist relatively well in my opinion. They aren't competing, in fact they're highly complimentary.

Obama's supporters have already proved it. The One Million Strong for Barack Obama group on Facebook created a group on MBO called, um, One Million Strong for Barack Obama. Using MBO, they created their own fundraising page (something they couldn't do on Facebook) and they've raised over $3K from 174 donors. They link to the MBO group from the Facebook one and effectively pull people over from Facebook to the campaign. They've bridged the gap between the centralized campaign and the decentralized one with these tools. That's impressive. Remember the questions being asked about this One Million Strong for Barack Obama Facebook group: will these numbers accumulated would mean anything? I think that's been answered, at least to some degree, by the group itself.

BTW, even if they were trying to directly compete w/ Facebook, the MBO numbers aren't bad: 1441 local groups, 1033 national ones. That's impressive too.

Wasn't Blog for America more than just a campaign blog, but also an online community for the campaign supporters? The people who lived in the comments had distinct digital identities and reputations. It wasn't just a mouthpiece for the campaign, although that content served as effective conversation fodder. It was the same type of community as DailyKos and MyDD without the better features of threaded comments, diaries and recommendations that Scoop provides. And obviously it served a different, distinct audience: supporters of Dean.

Isn't that still necessary? An online community for the supporters of a candidate to connect with each other, share ideas, debate their candidate's moves amongst themselves and keep the energy and motivation high? I like to think of it as a staging ground for supporters before they head out into other communities to spread the message. John Edwards rolled out Scoop and actively cultivated a community. Barack Obama rolled out Blue State's social networking platform and it's being populated and utilized quickly. And they both still reach out into the communities beyond their own website/blog/community. Almost every campaign has links to Flickr, Facebook, MySpace, PartyBuilder, etc on their homepages now. It's not an either/or situation. I'd suggest that campaigns today need to do both if they're going to engage the netroots.

by clockwerks 2007-02-14 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: facebook vs. MyBarackObama

This was an either/or post?

I thought it was about the lack of a blog/vlog being used as a voice by the candidate.

Until it's about the candidate, until it's the candidate using the site to interact, its basically just a exercise of campaign organization, and is underutilyzing the medium.

yea, BSD rocks, how much is Clay paying you?

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-02-14 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: facebook vs. MyBarackObama

a campaign is just not going to be able to compete with community blogs

That sounds like either/or to me. You also say MyBarackObama won't replace Facebook. My point is that they don't intend to. That's the either/or I'm talking about - not candidate's personal blogging vs campaign blogs.

What I was also suggesting is that a campaign blog might be better described as a campaign's online community these days with social networking mixing things up. And I think you were saying the same thing when you mentioned MyBarackObama in your post. I think what John Edwards has created on Scoop is much more of a community than just a blog as well. All of this certainly is not under utilizing the medium. It's using it differently than a personal blog. It's how Blog for America used the medium. Dean posted a few times himself, but it wasn't his blog. In many ways it was shaped instead by the campaign and it's supporters.

And I completely agree that if one of the candidates decides to daily personally communicate  through the internet, with their own blog/vlog/podcast, that would be a compelling use of the medium. I think it goes along well with what Zack Exley has said here and here. I think it's what David Cameron is doing in the UK very well (although I guess he's not technically a current candidate for anything and unfortunately he's a conservative). And as you well know, it's also something that we were discussing within Gov. Warner's camp (sad, but true).

However, I think you make a very important point when you say this about candidates blogging:

it's not practical given the verbal habit of politicians-- they don't write much at all.

It's much more likely a candidate will call in a podcast or have a web video savvy staffer with a laptop and a basic video camera following them around. Wes Clark and John Edwards both have good personal podcasts as models for this. Someone mentioned Obama's podcasts as a Senator as well and that probably means he's already comfortable with it.

So, in summary campaign online community AND decentralized external communities AND candidate blog/vlog/podcast = the right way to go. It will take a compelling mix of all of these platforms for online conversation really.

BTW, don't you already know how incredibly expensive my blog commenting services are? Clay couldn't afford me.

by clockwerks 2007-02-14 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: facebook vs. MyBarackObama
I agree, and despite all the hubbub surrounding the Amanda Marcotte situation, I think it actually illustrates the benefits of external forums that support and promote, but act independently from the candidate. Being separate once again from Edwards' actual campaign, Marcotte will be able to clearly, freely, and vehemently speak her mind, and that can only help the overall commentary surrounding the campaign as it moves along. Attempting to co-opt an already strong and independent voice doesn't quite work.

Speaking as a sometime vlogger, it would be nice to see a similar independent vlogging movement (i.e., sites that produce original content indpendently from campaigns) around politics, as there has been in the realm of blogging. I suspect that it has to do, again, with the Marcotte effect: traditional campaign work is just too damn image conscious for most vloggers to want to be involved. Vlogging, like most liberal blogging, is all about institutional exposure and criticism of the media. The kinds of videos you see produced by campaign staffers, while nice and a good start, are still highly controlled and managed by the campaigns - in a sense, not really that different from a traditional tv ad.

Consequently, I think the most powerful and effective blogging and vlogging takes place outside of campaigns. When candidates are willing to work freely in conjunction with non-traditional media outlets, alot more about the candidates becomes visible.
by JonesingforaDem 2007-02-14 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: In the middle land

Obama may not blog, but he does do an almost weekly podcast.  I don't know if he's going to switch from discussing policy/senate issues to campaign issues (haven't listened in a while), but he's clearly comfortable with the podcasting.

by JJCPA 2007-02-14 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: In the middle land

Glad to hear you made it to Kansas.  Between the Dole Center and the rise of Democrats in eastern Kansas, Lawrence is a pretty cool place to be.

I wanted to take a moment to share a Lawrence and DC based politics blog with you.

http://bluetiderising.blogspot.com

The Kansas blogosphere is at times a barren landscape, several little blogs popped up throughout the election cycle but most retired early due to lack of interest and content.  BlueTideRising has assembled a modest and growing daily readership.  

I hope many of you will check it out, enjoy it, and and it to your blogrolls.

by bluetide 2007-02-14 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: In the middle land

Candidates themselves will not blog - heaven forbid they commit to things in writing without any pretense of plausible deniability.

by surakmn 2007-02-14 09:57AM | 0 recs
candidates that do blog

here in NE-02 we had a 30 yr old candidate for congress (jim esch, ended up with 46%) who blogged regularly for his own website
www.jimesch.org

it was remarkable.  i'd go into the office at 11pm or even 1am, and he'd be there at the computer writing up the day's blog.  one day he called rumsfeld an idiot who needed to be fired... it generated a media story which followed the "how dare he say that" theme, but honestly I think helped jim much more than it hurt him.  

so anyway, at least one candidate blogged, and he was a real contender.  but, i guess, he was also a really young guy.  

by johnowens2 2007-02-14 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: In the middle land

Dole is not even close to being the most important non-President of the recent past even if people outside the political arena are excluded (Jonas Salk, Sam Walton, Ray Kroc, Bill Gates).  The obvious answer is Martin Luther King.

Within politics, among those running for office Barry Goldwater, Al Gore, and Tom DeLay had more influence for good or ill.  Everett Dirksen had a hell of a lot more influence for good.  Of course Karl Rove and Grover Norquist ran for nothing and Rupert Murdoch just took the pay-offs from the GOPers of owning more stations.

by David Kowalski 2007-02-14 03:19PM | 0 recs

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