"If The Caucus Were Held Tonight..."

Even as Clinton and Obama have traded the "lead" in Iowa over the past few months, the general narrative to spring from the polling of the state is that it's a 3-way tie. The reason for this, beyond the fact that many of the polls show the top three candidates within the margin of error, is that while Edwards may poll in 3rd place consistently, the internals such as his support among previous caucus-goers and his strong second choice support, in addition to a strong ground organization, have led to a perpetual offshoot of this narrative, namely that if the caucus were held tonight, John Edwards would win.

Edwards's campaign has cleverly perpetuated this narrative through well-timed endorsements and conference calls with press. A perfect example of this is the sort of coverage Edwards got after this morning's conference call to announce the endorsement of Iowa Congressman Bruce Braley.

From Marc Ambinder:

On a conference call held to talk about Iowa and the new Bruce Braley endorsement of John Edwards, deputy campaign manager Jonathan Prince said that the Edwards campaign has trained at least two precinct captains in more than 87 percent of caucus precincts statewide.

Generally, campaigns don't release this kind of info, but in Edwards's case, it reinforces the case made by rival campaigns privately: if the caucuses were held tonight, based on organization alone, Edwards would probably win.

And from Iowa Independent:

Today, Iowa Independent releases its second round of Democratic Power Rankings, seeking again to answer the question, "If the caucuses were held tonight, what would be the results?" Our hope is that although our methodology is notably unscientific, the list below will provide our readers one more point of reference while reading horse-race stories from day to day. [...]

First Place

John Edwards -- Although his endorsement from Congressman Bruce Braley did not come as much of a surprise (Braley was a strong Edwards supporter in 2004), it will certainly help assuage fears among his supporters that his candidacy has lost its momentum.  And, as revealed Monday morning on a conference call, the former North Carolina senator has recruited multiple precinct captains in 87% of Iowa's precincts, demonstrating the continuing superiority of his grassroots organization.

But sometimes, the campaign gets a little assistance, as it did today in the form of an Iowa State University Poll, which shows Edwards in second place overall:

Clinton     30.8
Edwards  24.4
Obama     20.2

...and in first among likely caucus-goers' second choice:

Edwards  22.7
Obama     20.1
Clinton     13.8

Now, as Jonathan mentioned earlier, there is plenty to be suspicious about in this poll (i.e. it's old -- it was in the field 11/6-11/18, and it has a huge MOE of +/- 6%.) But those details are irrelevant when it comes to perpetuating a sense of Edwards's continued viability in the Iowa caucus and on that score, Edwards has had a very good day. Questions remain, of course: is the claim "John Edwards would win if the caucus were held tonight" more than just merely a narrative and will it be as true on January 3 as it appears to be today?

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Democratic nomination, Iowa caucus, John Edwards (all tags)

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23 Comments

Re: "If The Caucus Were Held Tonight..."

Todd , those Iowa poll numbers are out of wack.

Not only did they started polling early last month , but this poll was conducted over the span time of more then a week + the fact that this poll has a 6.6% moe...Come on , i'm shocked that anyone would try to spin this those polls in favor of anyone.

The problem with Edwards is , he wont be bringing new caucus goers , and i'm 100% sure Hillary and Obama will bring fresh caucus goers in....Edwards is at a big disadvantage because of the new caucus goers.

by Prodigy 2007-12-03 01:57PM | 0 recs
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riiiight. sorry, but back up the ability of any campaign to really bring new voters to the mix and then lets talk about 'his' problem. the problem for obama and clinton is that they MUST bring NEW voters. in other words, edwards has an easier task- he only has to get people to conform to behavior they have already exhibited in the past, and obama and clinton must get peo to behave differently than they have acted in the past. the former is much much easier to do than the later by any stretch of voter behavior and GOTV efforts.

by bruh21 2007-12-03 02:02PM | 0 recs
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Bruh, I have rarely agreed with you on this blog about much of anything, but you're absolutely right about this. It's hard to get people to a caucus when they haven't done so before. I think that if the caucus were held today, it would be Edwards' to lose. Obama and Clinton both have hurculean efforts ahead to get to victory if this demographic truly does break for Edwards they way that polling indicates it will.

by arkansasdemocrat 2007-12-03 04:22PM | 0 recs
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most of what i say on this site comes from having read what some of the very front pager and A list bloggers have said over the years (until this cycle), reading what multiple others are saying on the topics and not just myself, having volunteered myself, having studied politics formally and having just talked to people.

volunteering you quickly learn, especially if you talk to people who have done this al ot longer, how hard it is to grow the po0l of voters. its not impossible buts generally not something that happens in a short span of time such as one election cycle like a primary. of the two, i believe obama has the best shot to do what he says he is going to do. i just feel clinton from reports about her doesn't understand IA as well and doesn't have that intensity of support that is willingn to go out on a cold nite for her. but we shall see.

by bruh21 2007-12-03 06:34PM | 0 recs
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I confess I've never understood this argument.  Don't you want to have support from people who have caucused before, because those are the ones who have a demonstrated history of showing up?  Wouldn't any candidate be thrilled to own this demographic?

by Steve M 2007-12-03 02:26PM | 0 recs
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Past entry polls have suggested between 45-55% of Iowa caucus-goers are 1st timers.  Any candidate who dominates that section of voters in a crowded field (like this year) is going to have a huge advantage.

Its certainly no disadvantage to do well with the regularly-attending caucus-goers, but for a realistic shot to win (IMHO), you need to expand beyond that, or you're only appealing to half the people who show up.  

I guess if its 50/50 being dominant in either group is pretty much equal, but it seems to me at least that it's much harder to absolutely own the repeat caucus-goers the way someone like Hillary (with her strong appeal to women and multiple independent organizations funding GOTV efforts on her behalf) or Obama (with his impressive organization and ability to inspire/excite new-timers) to own 1st timers.

Of course, if the weather is terrible and turn-out is low as a result, Edwards would benefit big time I think.  And then probably Obama second, and Clinton 3rd, based on 2nd choice preferences and enthusiasm amongst 1st choice respondents.

by mopper8 2007-12-03 03:13PM | 0 recs
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Of course, that figure of percentage of new caucus attendees is cyclical, going up when one or more Presidential election cycle has passed without a strongly fought contest for a while, and down in the election cycle after a strongly fought caucus.

However, the more critical challenge for Senator Clinton's chances are her low second preference figures, which are more likely to drop than rise as she dons the boxing gloves to go after Senator Obama.

by BruceMcF 2007-12-04 12:54PM | 0 recs
Realization

You know Edwards is my candidate, but until recently, as in a few minutes ago when I read your post, I didn't appreciate how smart a campaign he has been running considering the media dynamics, name ID and money. Right now, we have the two supposed front runners (Clinton and Obama) fighting it out while Edwards in the end stretch is playing a mostly postive campaign in the early states. The brilliance of this is that when people are looking around for another candidate as theya re being turned off by the two money jugernauts who can only get more nasty. Who wins with this? At the risk of giving away the obvious- to me this is brilliance in terms of the cards he has been dealt. Play the two big players against each other if you can, and neutralize their advantage in the long run by keeping yourself afloat to take advantage of opennings. that seems to be part of the strategy. Some of it is his opponents, some of it is the press, but what he is doing smartly is knowing when to attack (despite the blog and DC CW) and when not to attack. When to come out with endorsements and when not. When to take public funding and when not. His ads have also been incredibly - in their totality- good. He has also made use effectively of things like youtubes (not bloggers mind you, but youtubes). basically i knew i agreed with him on the issues, but i am gaining respect for him as a campaigner.

by bruh21 2007-12-03 01:59PM | 0 recs
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What seems to be consistent in any poll is Clinton's dismal showing in second choices.  As close as the first choice polling is, I have to believe this could easily put Clinton in third place when the caucuses results are in.  While a third place showing is not automatically fatal for her, it would be a huge blow.  Of course, it also depends on how close a third place it would be.  If it is a distant third like Dean in 2004, then look out.  We have a whole new ballgame.

by minvis 2007-12-03 02:01PM | 0 recs
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Clinton will try to break a deal with Richardson , but she'll have to promiss him her VP.

Hillary would prefer having the Ohio governor or the indian senator as her VP but because she's doing badly in Iowa , i could see her promising Richardson her VP slot out of desperation.

Richardson would be a very risky pick for the Clinton because they love people that they can cotrol and Richardson is a gaffe machine who has a lot of skeleton in his closet...

I dont think richardson is their ideal VP , but she may not have a choice.

I think there's probably some kind of backroom dealing going on between the richardson and Clinton camp.

by Prodigy 2007-12-03 02:11PM | 0 recs
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Who the heck is the "indian senator"?  Is he that guy from Punjab I've heard so much about?

In any event, the problem is that Richardson himself is friendly with Hillary and reasonably close to her in terms of ideology, but his adherents probably are not, since many of them are out-now types who prefer Richardson for his no residual forces position.  So it's unclear why Hillary would promise Richardson anything when he doesn't even have the clear ability to deliver a large chunk of his voters.

by Steve M 2007-12-03 02:25PM | 0 recs
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Oh psh.  He meant Indiana Senator.  Fmr. Gov. Current senator Bayh.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-03 02:46PM | 0 recs
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Oh okay, I was honestly baffled by that one.

by Steve M 2007-12-03 02:47PM | 0 recs
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That deal will only be as strong as Richardson's organization, though.  If his voters don't have big loyalty to their precinct captains, it won't matter where they're "steered".

This is a local thing, where most everybody knows everyone else.  If show up and caucus for Richardson and don't have a real strong relationship with his precinct captains, and then you see that, say, the head of hte Fire Dept, who you really respect, is caucusing with Edwards, it probably won't matter what Richardson's precinct captain tells you.  Much more likely to be swayed by somebody you know and trust.

by mopper8 2007-12-03 03:18PM | 0 recs
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But in a poll like this one where she has a solid lead, there's nothing wrong with being behind in 2nd choices since you have so many 1st choices.  Now, I'm not saying I buy this particular poll, but it has her ahead of Obama in 1st choices and also in 1st+2nd choices.  There's no reason she should be the one to sweat just because she trails him when the 2nd choices are viewed in isolation.

In any event, no one quite knows how to assess the 2nd choice number because it doesn't much matter if you're the 2nd choice behind a candidate who will be viable.  It would sure be interesting to see who the 2nd choices of Biden, Richardson, Dodd voters are, but no one seems to publish that information.

by Steve M 2007-12-03 02:22PM | 0 recs
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I've seen several polls that published the 2nd choice responses of only those candidates who are polling below 15% in the state.  They had Edwards and Obama in the mid-high 20s and Clinton in the teens.

by mopper8 2007-12-03 03:16PM | 0 recs
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I've only seen one (and I've been looking) and it was today's much maligned Pew/AP poll. It shows that they 2nd choices of the less viable candidates are split pretty equally between Clinton, Edwards, and Obama.

From the Pew Poll @ http://people-press.org/reports/display. php3?ReportID=374

One effect of the caucus process is to concentrate candidate support, since within each caucus the backers of candidates receiving less than 15% of the vote at that location have the opportunity to shift their support to their second choice candidate. Based on the current survey, there is little evidence that this reallocation will fundamentally change the dynamics of the race. Each of the three leading candidates gains three or four points from the reallocation of votes from other candidates, leaving roughly the same order of finish.

by arkansasdemocrat 2007-12-03 04:33PM | 0 recs
Putting the poll in the time-frame ...

... Obama's move according to recent poll trendlines showed up in polling done more recently than the second week of November ...

... and of course, what is most critical about second preferences is their distribution ...

... but if "1st plus 2nd" preferences is taken as a rough guide, being second to Obama in first preferences, in some polls, and second to Edwards in first+second preferences in most polls, does pose an interesting strategic challenge. How does she attack both without losing even more second preference support?

by BruceMcF 2007-12-04 01:01PM | 0 recs
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Caucus tonight or Jan 3, and Edwards will win.  His support is solid. Clinton's and Obama's numbers change on a daily basis, which indicates softness.  Not only that, but now they're hammering each other mercilessly.  And that's going to go over great in Iowa.  John Edwards will win Iowa.

by mdgarcia 2007-12-03 02:32PM | 0 recs
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Its worth noting that this narrative is one that arguably benefits both Hillary and Obama.

Obama because of the expectations game.

And Hillary especially so because of the expectations game and because if Iowa voters were to become convinced it was a 2-person race, she could end up being a big-time loser when Edwards' supporters re-align.  The last thing she needs is to lose 40-30 or something like that to Obama in Iowa...

by mopper8 2007-12-03 03:21PM | 0 recs
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I thought the key statement in todays news was not the polling numbers but that Edwards has multiple captains in 87% of precincts. That seems very impressive.

by awgupta 2007-12-03 03:35PM | 0 recs
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It is still up for grabs as far as I am concerned.

by SocialDem 2007-12-03 03:41PM | 0 recs
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Sheesh...I sure wish it were held tonight, and we could move on to another topic.

The Dean debacle (and scream) soured me forever on Iowa caucuses.

I simply do not believe the numbers, whether they are good for my candidate or not.

by Coral 2007-12-03 03:46PM | 0 recs

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